I have the nanohD since about a month, my first Unifi AP ever, very pleased with his performance, finally coverage overall in my house! Bought it especially since it was about 30% smaller than the AC PRO, looks great.
@@allent555 overall 220m² (square meters), with the groundfloor (rough guess) 5meters width and 20m depth, the nanohd is place in the front of the house. Attached to a concrete ceiling. I have 3 levels in house (ground, first, second floor), between ground an first level: concrete, between first and second, a wooden ceiling, but with 15cm of insulation. I have good coverage on the second floor.
I'd use that model in the houses we remodel or build from the ground up. Our jobs scale between 3000 to 26,000 square feet and they hand-off seamlessly! I like the recessed mount and bet I could use that in 5/8 drywall. Nice unit. #ubntforlife #ubntcloudkey Chris, you have a great channel! From here in Fort Worth, Texas - keep it up.
I was researching the differences between the pro and the nano just before you posted this video, ironically.. you would have to use the pro in an outdoor setting since the nano is indoor only.. but I feel like the nano would be more appropriate in a new install just for the benefit of future proofing the wireless network as much as possible without spending twice as much for the HD..however, I do like the secondary port on the pro and the HD that the nano is lacking..
Chris: Just a note when talking about Wi-Fi speeds: marketed speeds on the packaging (like 1300 Mbps for the AC-PRO and 1733 Mbps for the two HD's) are always full duplex. However, since Wi-Fi can only do half-duplex (each Wi-Fi unit takes turn transmitting), you only get half the marketed speeds on the package st best. So it doesn't matter that the nanoHD only has one Gigabit port, because the theoretical max speed is only half of 1733 anyway. This is just one example of this practice however. Companies also have have a habit of adding the 2.4G and 5G speeds together when marketing a router or AP's max speed. Now this is more acceptable, since the AP can use both bands at the same time, just not when communicating with the same unit. But anyway the point is that the gigabit port is gonna be more than enough for the nanoHD.
It is not full duplex speed. It is just the aggregate of the bands. There can be that many bits in the air, there is just so much more to a WiFi packet than an Ethernet packet, plus encryption, plus interference, plus time share. They don't just double the number.
Don't wait on the Gen 2 Plus review...just get it. It is nice! I have one. I bought when it was on the Beta Store. I love the display and battery backup. I just ordered the rack mount adapter should be here this week.
@@bpaullus You don't know or forget that it is not available in Belgium yet, maybe in december... And I want the 19" mounting bracket too, that shall be available next year.
Jon, I have all three models in my environment... The Nano HD wins hands down for maximum throughput and range (on 5GHz) AC HD wins range on 2.4GHz... Gigabit fiber to the prem... For the NanoHD I see ~600Mbps average on speed tests... Just ran iPerf on all three... (MacBook Pro 3x3 MIMO / 8-12 Clients per AP) Nano HD : [ ID] Interval Transfer Bitrate [ 5] 0.00-10.00 sec 769 MBytes 645 Mbits/sec sender [ 5] 0.00-10.01 sec 769 MBytes 644 Mbits/sec receiver AC PRO: [ ID] Interval Transfer Bitrate [ 5] 0.00-10.00 sec 506 MBytes 425 Mbits/sec sender [ 5] 0.00-10.01 sec 506 MBytes 424 Mbits/sec receiver AC HD: [ ID] Interval Transfer Bitrate [ 5] 0.00-10.00 sec 635 MBytes 533 Mbits/sec sender [ 5] 0.00-10.01 sec 635 MBytes 532 Mbits/sec receiver
Biggest difference from the UAP-AC-Pro and the UAP-NanoHD is MU-MIMO. I found in a crouded 2.4GHz environment (Apartment building in a dense city) the AUP-AC-Pro can only get about 11 or 12Mb/second of download, while the MU-MIMO Consumer Router I was testing was able to easily do 100Mb in the same distance and power levels. I hope you can attempt to recreate this test in your more comprehensive test. It would be great to see 4+ clients at a time all hammering the AP at some range and see how the nanoHD handles the situation differently compared to the UAP-AC-Pro.
Gigabit wired LAN is FULL DUPLEX .. 1 Gigabit each way, wireless is always Half-Duplex. (one way RX or TX) so if you do both at once, its still slower then the 1 gig full duplex wired. Kinda late, but hope it helps to understand wired vs wireless.( in most cases)
I just bought the nanoHD for my home last month. Chose this over the AC Pro just because the form factor was smaller and it would be less noticeable on the ceiling. Performance has been great. Getting around 100-300 mbps depending on interference. Range is amazing as well; only needed one to cover both floors of my 2000 sq ft townhouse.
A few points, 1733 is acheveble with 80Mhz a channel and a 4x4 client. Also 1733 is the max wifi link rate, so it's adding both directions thus lag is not needed, ubiquiti has a post about this.
I found a perfect use case for these. We have a small conference space that is somewhat open to the public. It can see upwards of 100-200 people but is a bit more spread out then all in one room. The HDs would have been overkill, for the space but going with the nanoHDs allows us to have better 5ghz coverage in all areas while still being able to handle a large number of people spread out.
@@DeeL2003 No fishing, a hole in the wall, and cables going visible over the walls, wife not agree, wife can go, Unifi stays, better investment anyway 🤣🤣
Put my Nano in an office, normally doesn't have many users, but needed to replace a lite that died. It works. it is effective. Never have any issues with it.
@@lucasgasenzer The AC Lite and the nanoHD use the same mounting bracket. I upgraded my AC Lite unit and I just had to twist it off and twist on the new nanoHD.
@@lucasgasenzer They did have the same bracket. there is almost zero comparison between the two... but pretty sure I had a junk ac lite and now that I have one that doesnt overheat and stop working for days on end... anything is better!
The benefits of the nanoHD is they have changed SoCs and are getting more throughput for lower amounts of users. Most tests shows a single machine doing iperf tests with each AP as faster by a decent amount with the nano compared to the pro. We are not talking about moving beyond a max but rather being able to more reliably use that available bandwidth.
For a home environment, I think the nano's smaller size is just more aesthetically appropriate. Plus, of course, the skins can help fit them into varying decor.
I advocate only ever buying the AC Lite (make sure to get the newer ones with Gig connection and proper POE). I bought one LR and realized, what good is it that it can reach farther if the phone/end points can't reach back that far. Go for the cheaper "Lite" and put more of them in. I did buy one HD for our Council Chambers room. I don't really understand why another model when they already have too many imho. I am not slandering Ubiquiti, I absolutely LOVE the AP Lite and now have them scattered all over my work campus buildings and am using a Linux based server for the Unifi controller (all works wonderful). As for a home user, I have an AC Lite also and put in the middle of my house covers everything. Unless you throw HUGE parties where you have a bunch of people over cruising internet, I can't see buying anything other than the Lite for home. What I would really like to see are some better outdoor models. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but love for you Ubiquiti.
I've had the NanoHD for a couple of months. The firmware is a work in progress. I use it for home use and still have to run beta versions to get things to work right. Hoping they have it dialed in by 2019
There is another point you forgot to mention in the pro VS nanohd comparison, the nano supports VHT160 while the pro is VHT80(even the HD and the SHD cannot use vht160 while supporting it in the chipset due to missing certification)
I've got some of the AC-Pro's and i'm not over impressed with their outdoor suitability. With external grade Cat6 cable and the rubber plug in the back of the AP to weatherproof it it's a pain to get seated properly on it's backing plate. I've also just got a Nano and that's going in a 65 seater cinema with a black skin on it.
There is a large misunderstanding here, the nanoHD and the HD are MU-MIMO (AC wave 2) when the AC-Pro is MIMO only (AC wave 1) The effects can be visible especially now with the raise of gigabit internet almost everywhere In the AC Pro, if you have a laptop, or even a little iPad/tablet doing a large download, you’ll see in fact this equipment, even been a 2*2 using ALL the bandwidth of the AC Pro and starving the others equipments, you can see that especially if you have a smart TV or a Netflix box running a 4K stream and you start an iPad upgrade for example, When on the nanoHD and the Hd, as this is MU-MIMO, the iPad as a 2*2, will use half of the wireless ressource, and the Access point can still provide for example a 2*2 to the Netflix box with dedicated bandwidth, or 2 times 1*1 allowing to get then 3 equipments sharing the bandwidth without effect with each other so, basically, there is a generation difference between those AP which can be important even in a single and simple home environment I got a lot of customers,so happy with the nano now in replacement of the AC Pro as this is night and day with you have multiple users using bandwidth and latency sensitive applications For reference, the AC product line dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/unifi/UniFi_AC_APs_DS.pdf And HD product line dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/unifi/UniFi_nanoHD_AP_DS.pdf Please read carefully the difference of MU-MIMO and MIMO are they offer widely different perspective for networks scalability and usable
In home setting, I think I'd choose the Pro because of 3x3 mimo on 2.4GHz. vs 2x2 mimo on nanoHD. But, if there is line of sight, I'd go with nanoHD (i.e. office setting).
@@msahny1625 I’m comparing on 2.4Ghz radio. Pro is 3x3 and nano is 2x2. 2.4Ghz is what will be used if there are walls and such in the way. 5Ghz degrades faster through walls.
You are forgetting that wifi is not full-duplex, ethernet is. So the maximum speed of gigabit ethernet at least for both directions is actually 2 gigabit. So in this regard of traffic 2 gigabit is plenty for handling 1.7 gigabit of mixed traffic. There is also the factor like you said of other wireless users as well as the separate 2.4GHz band that is another 300 mbps. Regardless we are hitting a point where gigabit ethernet wont be good enough shortly.
As for where i would use the nanoHD, my own workplace, which is a school, happens to be a perfect fit. The thing about this school is that the walls are thick solid concrete, even between classrooms. This means that signals will propagate poorly through walls. This, however, means that it's a perfect fit for a "One AP per room"-policy. We require good signal in every room, which are relatively small classrooms, and support for at least 60 devices per room (around 30 pupils, each having a smartphone and a computer/Chromebook is the worst case scenario), and since the range/penetration advantages of 2.4G is gonna be poor at any rate because of the walls, focusing on superb 5G performance makes more sense. And that's a niche the nanoHD fits nicely at a cheaper price than the HD. Of course it requires proper signal tuning, and you might need to turn off the 2.4G radios on some AP's to minimize interference. For larger congregation areas with wider space, I'd probably go with the HD.
I’m going to get the nanoHD based on MU-MIMO. It’s a negligible price difference to future proof you enough to ignore that 802.11ax will be out in 1-2 years. I hate buying something knowing that an entirely new set of models will be coming out soon.
my understanding was that a 1 gb link would be seen as a 2gb link in terms of WIFI. Because there is 1 GB up and 1 GB down. Where the WIFI has 1733 Mbit regardless of the direction. The big boy is mine. and I love it. :)
Hi Chris ... Nice review but I want to add a point regarding the differences between the HD models and the AC Pro and this point is supporting IEEE 802.11w (Management Frame Protection) that only supports in 3rd Gen APs which are the HD Models so this feature is not supported in AC Pro which is under Gen2 Models
Thanks for this info. I looked at the settings, and found it hidden at: settings, wireless networks, edit (button on top right). You'll see: PMF(protected management frames)=Disabled(by default). You can select it as Optional (APs will use PMF for all capable stations, while allowing non-PMF capable stations to join the WLAN) or Required (APs will use PMF for all stations. Stations without PMF capability will not be able to join the WLAN). As per your comment, this requires Gen3 APs only. Cheers!
Chris, i am currently about to deploy 6 in a large home. I went for the NanoHD over the AC pro due to the nanoHD being a wave2 device. So in my mind it will be supported longer by ubnt. Especially since i am replacing 6 EOL UAP-AC v2...
Fausto B. Cruz the nano also uses a newer chipset which looks like it helps give better performance in the reviews I’ve seen. But I don’t know how they perform when loaded by lots of clients...
Dual gigabit not really a concern given that the 1.733 gbps is theoretical and most likely never going to happen in actual deployments. If you restrict the wireless side to gigabit matching the single wire, and assume an average 7-10mbps per client, you can handle 100+ clients per AP....again in theory and not taking into account airtime utilization, noise, etc.
Solid concrete....any of them will be fine. look at the other criteria such as user density for the decision. I've got a 3 different AP models and many are on solid reinforced concrete without issue.
Hi, I have heard the NanoHD has a range issue and the wireless signal is shorter that the UAP AC Pro, can this be confirmed? Is it a a firmware or hardware issue? Would love to hear anyones thoughts! Keep up the great work Chris!
Just installed 2 UAP-AC-Pro's in my house.... seems this is an incremental improvement and not compelling... Also, since the Pro baseplate is larger than the nano, wouldn't it show from below with adapter?
Could you do a security related video on the discoverability of ubiquiti devices. I heard the other week a vulnerability existed that by default they were discoverable on the World Wide Web.
I don't think this video has any value apart from reading product brochures for you. What is the performance really like, measured by you and not taken from spec sheet?
Hi Chris, Great videos. Thanks to you i am now a unifi user in The Netherlands, Europe. Just installing my system now. Just in the test-phase now, so don’t want to jump to conclusions, but the WiFi coverage is a bit disappointing compared to my current Apple airport pro setup. I am a home user, it was wondering if you know of any good resources on AP placement or intend to do a video on this. Wall, wiling, height placement etc. Thanks and again great videos. Take care William
I just bought one of these and put it on the 2nd floor ceiling, in the center of my house. It is sitting above a walkway in a very open space. Cathedral ceilings on both sides. My coverage is terrible with this AP. For example, at about 10' away on 5G, I can get 300Mbps down. If I move straight back another 5', it'll drop to 170Mbps. I'll still have a clear line of sight too but yet the speeds drop significantly. 2.4 is also abysmal. For whatever reason, I have better 5G coverage than I do 2.4. I have an Asus GT-AC5300 that is in my office, which is located on the left side of the house, and I can pretty much get excellent coverage/speed with it throughout and in the basement. Because of hard it would be add another ethernet drop, I'd like a "One AP" solution. If I got a AC-Pro, do you think i'd be in a better boat?
Camouflage skin but the device is not rated for outdoors. 🤔 Installed the nano in my basement (2,300 sqft) primarily to support the home theater and game room. The coverage is amazing, and it also penetrates into the floor above at impressive throughput.
Hi Chris, I always enjoy your videos, and offer a suggestion for a future one, if you can find the time; I have a few sites with gen 1 cloud key, or raspberry Pi running Unifi Controller on each one. These are behind Meraki firewalls but with Unifi switches and AP's on the network. I have been frustrated with CK1's going off-line and the difficulty of getting them restarted when they are 100's of km distant. With the release of the GEN2 Cloudkey, I would like to roll all the separate sites into a single GEN2 Cloudkey in my office. I believe this can be done (each site has a solid fiber connection). but am unsure how to achieve the consolidation, and what the downside, (if any) may be. Cheers,
Hello Chris, I am planning to upgrade my current Apple Extreme. The main reason for upgrading is that I resently purchased 2 Yamaha wifi speakers, and they work well for 20 to 30 minutes. After that, the sound get noise or interruptions. I concludedafter some test that the problem is caused by the wifi router. I am looking into the Nano HD. Can you give me some comments as to if this upgrade may or may not solve my sound issue?
Question: I have two NSM5’s that i linked together via one of ur videos. The sending NSM5 is set to 192.168.1.10 and the receiving one at 192.168.1.11. The Receiving one is ran into a Netgear AP which supplies wifi to my apartment. I am having trouble accessing either one of my nanostations through the wifi connection of my Netgear AP. I am not sure what I’m leaving out. Thank you in advance and love the videos.
Great video. With UAP-AC-PRO, I’m still only getting around 400mbps on my iPhone X even though I have the AT&T gigabit (940mbps) internet. All my wired connections are getting close to 940mbps. Any ideas?
what is the difference in range and penetration on the pro and the nano for a client who lives in a high-rise big 1 floor apartment with many concrete and steel columns, and marble/ sone lined walls
Will the pro model can reach 600 Mbps speed on wireless for home use? Since ISP provides 600 Mbps, I was thinking to change Tp-Link Archer C1900 to the pro, but kind of debating for the pro or nano. Although Tp-Link Archer C1900 providing 1300Mbps on 5GHz not sure why only getting 200 Mbps!
Just wonder which type of AP that have bigger area coverage, UAP-AC-PRO or UAP-NanoHD? In unifi controller - map they don't have NanoHD in virtual devices so I can't do the compare...
At one point you connect to your controller and it's on Digital ocean? I am on AWS. Digital ocean is cheaper and data isn't metered. Have you had good experiences with DO? Think I should switch? Or sign up for the several year commitment with AWS?
Chris is that the ios or Android app? My Android Unifi app looks nothing like that. App version I have is 1.7.4 and is much more intuitive. Maybe it's because I have the beta version (on the Android Play Store you can go to the app page and scroll down towards the bottom and select beta tester)
Hi Chris, not sure if this was already brought up, but I know there is some discussion on the Ubiquiti forums regarding future firmware and/or software updates for their wireless hardware to support WPA3. Ubiquiti seems to be pretty mute on the topic, but some have speculated that the processing power of the older gen APs not being capable of handling the enhanced security protocol. Do you have any thoughts on this?
No, I haven't heard anything about it. I have UniFi Controllers on the latest software - some with older AP's, and (besides issues where the AP is no longer supported), I haven't seen any problems.
Will we finally see an ax (WiFi 6) pro this year ? As much as I would love to buy the dream machine and add a couple of nano size mesh stations I really want future compatibility support added , it would be great if ubiquity added a dc in even if it’s via usb 3c so it’s easier to install than those Poe injectors for smaller businesses and home where it’s not easy to have a wired connection due to rental rules ax band in a mesh device base should allow just that and be the go to ubiquity device
I don't think you need to wire the AP to the router, you can use the injector like the DC in and mesh back to the next AP if you want and a good thing about Dream Machine is you can add WiFi 6 and 6E APs as they become available.
@@futurecactus the top end models only allow ++ so the normal injectors won’t work as the need double the voltage, but what I meant was instead of using an injector e.g. an ac/dc plug preferably usb c gen 2 (with pass through so a separate plug isn’t needed if say you were upgrading the firmware offline say for a client before going to site). as the injectors are quite bulky and far from ideal say in an open area e.g canteen/library etc connected by 3rd party switches were the budget may not reach to a full upgrade to 10gb or if they have gone down a different route for there core switches
What is the best option to go to when you're trying to set up a wi-fi connection throughout at an apartment complex? Where there is buildings and trees are in between and there is no real line of site? Thanks in advance
Whats the average throughput you can get of the AC PRO/HD/Nano for a single user? my top transfer rates are around 12mb/s , which would be around 100 mbps.
thanks for some very awesome videos!!!... I wanted to know how well it handles broadcast traffic? I have over 25 Smart Lifx lights throughout my house, and a few Smart plugs which unfortunately only use the 2.4G and I know that can cause a lot of broadcast traffic. I wanted to know how well would the: NanoHD or Unifi AP HD do with this situation? I also wanted to know, how well it does with seamless roaming? plan on having 2 or 3 around the home. (Multi-level very large house). I am new to Ubiquiti, coming from Netgear. I have an okay understanding of networks and before now i mostly tried to wired anything i could. but most of the smart home product dont have wired options. thanks for any tips
Should handle broadcast traffic OK as long as you haven't blocked it in the UniFi Wireless settings --> Advanced section. Seamless roaming is something that has never worked that well IMO. A better option is simply well placed AP's that don't interfere with each other or other 2.4GHz or 5GHz radio signals.
Just wondering if the nanoHD can be powered up by the Unifi 60w 8 port switch? I saw you showing this big POE power supply that came in the box with the nanoHD so just wondering if that was something with more power or can the switch power it up on its own. Thanks. Great Video.
I’m thinking of 2 maybe 3 APs in my house. 1 on each floor and one in a room separate from the main building. With 3 APs would I benefit from nano HD or should I just with the lite? I have 4K TVs but these are wired. I don’t think I will get benefits of MU MIMO. Is that correct?
Hello, thank you for the video is very helpfully. I have a question for you. I bought 2 NanoHD and I have a store than I have a lot of customers using wifi connection every day, when you mentioned 200+ users, its mean the capacity is only for 200 user at same time? A soon a customer is disconnected from the wifi another user can take the IP ? Thank you.
That limit is nothing to do with IP addressing, your router should be handling that and you can set it up with different address classes that will give you plenty of addresses, that said, how many people do you get in your store at once? I think you'll run into other problems before you reach 400 concurrent users unless you have very high end equipment and multiple high speed internet connections.
Shouldn’t be too much of an issue with drywall construction - just try to centrally place the AP and understand that your range may be limited. Also, you may want to consider the in-wall AP’s instead of the ceiling/wall mounted ones.
Hello Chris, me (and i found out a lot of other people) experience very slow connections with this nanoHD from unifi. Do you have this experiance as well, and do you know a solution to it? In low, i mean really low: 20Mbit. On 2.4 as well on 5g. My old Dlink that was replaced by it made over 600... :( Thanks.
Silly question. If I was to put up say 3 of these across my house. Would these auto handover my device as it goes from one end of the house to the other end? Would love to a video on how to make that work as well. Oh and do you have any UK Amazon affiliate links?
Thanks for all these great videos! As I posted in another of your reviews... the idea of number of users a device can support - in the case of all are guests, not accessing things on the LAN - so just going on the internet, the internet speed is 100 - 200mbps, DHCP is handled by the router / loads of leases available, isn't the bottleneck the bandwidth of the internet connection / the LR and lite would work and allow comparable number of devices to connect / internet surfing experience would be the same? the connection to the access point with these more expensive devices would be faster but then all users squeeze onto the internet connection?
The controller can generate a guest portal. I'm pretty sure there are docs at UBNT and videos here that will show you how. It's not for the faint hearted though!
I agree with Nick on this. The UBNT captive portal functionality works...but it's definitely got its quirks. It is not something that I recommend to my customers.
I am a total newbie trying to set up my home network with Ubiquiti products. Can anyone tell me if I can take advantage of the 4x4 MU MIMO of nanoHD or the 3x3 MIMO of PRO in a home environment? What if I get a 160 MHz wifi adapter for my desktop? Thanks.
I'm wanting to dabble a bit more into Prosumer equipment & wanted to learn while using them in my residential setup. A question I have & haven't found a really clear answer to yet is, do these APs have a mesh mode setup like some other consumer WiFi router/APs are? Or am I stuck w/ using multiple SSIDs in the event I wanted to use three to five of these in a home to ensure that I have complete coverage w/ no blind spots? All of this is hypothetical of course.
Jerad Cranke in the UniFi controller you set up one network and all the APs will reflect that network. The AP roaming will be client side. I have two APs in my home and it’s all the same network. You have to play with radio power on the UniFi controller to get the client roaming dialed in though. Easy setup. Also, you will see people saying UniFi USG only capable of 200 Mbps or so. That is false. I am currently speed testing at 480+ Mbps over WiFi. I pay for 400 from my ISP.
@@Andy_i Awesome, I was hoping that this was the case since I've really "fallen in love" w/ the capabilities of Ubiquiti since I'm currently used to Consumer gear still. I absolutely hate how Netgear's Consumer WiFi routers & WiFi extenders create totally new networks. For example, my parents have a Netgear R6200 for their main router & a Netgear EX6200 extender. It extends the range for sure, but creates two completely separate WiFi networks on top of the pre-existing two from the main router. 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz from the router w/ 2.4GhzExt & 5GhzExt from the extender for short. WiFi devices are totally segregated from each other as well which adds another layer of frustration.
Jerad Cranke I feel your pain. We got tired of buying $400 prosumer routers every two years so we spent a little more on ubiquiti. We got a USG, switch 8 60w, cloud key gen1, and two nano HD’s. 1300 square foot house, 60+ devices. Works flawlessly. Night and day better than some of the best prosumer routers. Also, the level of control is unmatched. You will not have to worry about speed capability of the USG or the nano HD’s as we pay for 400mbps and speed test 480+ mbps over WiFi. And that’s with all the devices connected to the network. All the WAPs will be under the same network so you only have one SSID. You won’t have separate SSIDs for 2.4 or 5 either so that is nice. The WAP roaming is client side, so just play with the radio strength of the WAPS to get it right
