Old IT guy here.... Rule of thumb... Never update on Release day. Always wait for .1 or .2 release before updating. The .0 is the mess, .1 are the panic fixes and .2 is usually the actual release that should have happened.
well its a moot point now since ubuntu doesnt even allow existing installs to upgrade to the latest version until the .1 comes out. You can test that right now if you have U22, you wont be able to upgrade to U24 till August or something
No data is lost in Ubuntu with the OOPS something went wrong error! That error is easy to fix and get up and running. Ubuntu CAN be configured so no sensitive data is exposed. The issues in Ubuntu ARE ALL EASY FIXES! If your in an IT field and your afraid to fix a little issue then you shouldn't be in IT. The Rule of thumb is for the lazy IT person. If it ain't broken Break it and break it good.That's how you learn to fix it!! That's my German rule of thumb.
@@Malte-Micha Ubuntu is not only used by IT professionals sir, it is also used by common end users like us who don’t know anything about technical things! for us it looks very unprofessional if even a single error comes in ubuntu or linux, because of these errors many users tend to run away from Linux. You cannot say this to new users that “if you can’t fix it, you shouldn’t use Linux”.
The whole 'we can't update apps because the app center is open and locked' bug has been around for years now. It's why I run all my updates from the terminal first, reboot if necessary, then open app center and check for anything missed. It's so stupid.
It's much better in 24.04 because the new App Center is only running when you actually have it open, unlike Gnome Software which is always running in the background. So the new App Center will upgrade just fine when snapd checks for updates every 6 hours.
There's that and I've also had an issue with firefox snap not being able to update on every config I've tried. As you said, right after install, i do the norm apt upd && apt upg then I do a snap refresh in terminal before even considering anything else. This seem to prevent the issue, and as @that_leaflet mentioned, once that initial refresh and update is done, everything runs just fine. Turned out to be beneficial to me in ways, being relatively new to Linux. A shitton of trial and error, and a mentally unhealthy desire to figure it out myself made a lot of the information I've absorbed over the past year or so really stick.
@voodooyam Yes, that functionality hasn’t been added yet. You can install third party devs through the command line (either through PPA or by apt installing from a local deb) or by installing an app that installs debs for you.
Small criticism apart, I've been noticing how GREAT things are right now. Ubuntu is great right now. Fedora is amazing. Mint is better than ever. Arch is fantastic. Debian is insane good. And it's not just distros: KDE is on a peak. GNOME is golden. Cinnamon is getting better and better on each release. Everything is really, REALLY looking up in the Linux world. Everything.
The scaling problem is due to gnome, not ubuntu. Actually it is for the x11 session, Ubuntu starts the installer in an X11 session, we all know that x11 and fractional scaling are enemies.
thanks for that additional information. its really useful. but that still makes it an ubuntu problem. Ubuntu is using gnome which is fair, but they are releasing ubuntu, not gnome. If our car breaks down, we don't blame the component that broke down but the company for releasing an unreliable model. Ubuntu can use gnome for free but they have to take criticism on their behalf because I'm not using gnome, I'm using Ubuntu. I didn't install gnome, I don't know gnome. I know ubuntu and I installed it and it's broken. This is for Ubuntu, I'm not blaming you of course and the information you provided is insightful but I just wanted to add this.
8:28 this lock process issue has been around for years now. I stopped using Ubuntu the moment I discovered this issue. I should not have to go to terminal to refresh snap-store everytime I want to update my system in 2024. This is just not acceptable. So thank you for everything you did for me Ubuntu(Ubuntu brought Linux into my life), but I am moving on.
The scalling bug at 7:11 and locking up the display seems to be an issue with GNOME on X11, it happened to me on the live installer (which uses X11) but not when installed which then uses Wayland
I have had no problems with the Ubuntu 24.04 install. Now, I did a fresh install rather than an upgrade. I certainly didn't have the 4K Res issue or any of the other issues that you outlined. So far, so good.
Glad to hear it, I am going to do a fresh install on a testing laptop ... only a i3, if I like it and does what I need to do, I will get an i7 probably - more than enough for me.
the fact that they can is a problem. If the error is on Ubuntu's side, then the error is on Ubunutu's side. They gave the go-ahead when they shouldn't have. Fire Ubuntu. That's the point.
I’ll have to check out what you were showing. The problem I had was with the installation. The installer crashed three times on me. The last time was after the install started. I checked system monitor and saw the processors were going pretty good so I assumed it was still going. When they flatlined, I rebooted the system. I booted it up fine into 24.04 after I had to choose which grub. It didn’t boot up to the 24.04 grub. I have a multi boot PC. I totally agree with you on the yearly schedule change. Every other year remaining LTS.
you have a valid point about the LTS releases targeting enterprise use, but the thing is, no LTS or even regular releases are allowed to be upgraded until the .1 release is out, and by then, usually the initial big bugs are sorted. you can of course download the release for new installs or whatever, but i also do an upgrade and they've never failed.
Yes and enterprises should never be using the newest version anyway. New features brings new bugs. When it's important, you want to use mature software.
I had no issues with my 24.04 install and had a couple of crashes on my Fedora 40 install, but I wouldn't say Fedora 40 was rushed. I think you are not giving it a fair shake. Perhaps try it on another device?
Was looking forward to 24.04. I use acpi on my dvr and it was causing headaches in 22.04. I wanted the update to see if some of the problems would just go away. Thanks for the review.
Maybe Ubuntu could put out stable releases if they stopped imposing Snaps on us. No one would argue if they had spent that effort making Synaptic prettier. I'll probably keep my Kubuntu 23.10 around until 24.10 when they'll finally include Plasma 6. At the very least I'll wait until 24.04.1. But what I'm really waiting for is Mint LMDE with Plasma 6.
The solution if you don't trust Ubuntu releases on or near release date: Don't install or attempt to use them anytime close to that date. Wait a month or two; hell, even five or six months if you're really paranoid. You could even wait until they release a 24.04.1 image with the first batch of updates and bug fixes built right into the image. With a lifespan of five years, they are in no way forcing you to update any time soon. You could even wait, what, another three years or so for support of 22.04 (which is currently at 22.04.4) to end if you really wanted to, or skip 24.04 entirely and install 26.04 in a few years. Fedora does not give you this kind of flexibility, and I can say that I have seen a release (somewhere in the mid 30s) of that distro that contained more crashes, bugs and problems in general than I've seen in any OS over the last two decades outside of ReactOS. It didn't just run poorly live on my actual hardware--it even failed within the relatively safe confines of a virtual machine, and installing it in that machine did not lead to a better system.
In fact I switched from Fedora to Ubuntu because Fedora had a myriad of very little problems that didn't seem to get any attention but were annoying beyond belief, while Ubuntu might not be the most polished distro on release, but they'll usually try to fix those little bugs that harm the end user experience. And the LTS release is perfect for this. I'd say 22.04 wasn't really great up until a full year after it was released, but it eventually got to that point and there was never any rush to upgrade, so that works for me.
I still have servers running 20.04 LTS. They'll be upgrdaed to either 22.04 or 24.04 LTS later this year, but I certainly am in no rush, and don't feel rushed. I'm not running the six month releases on servers, and I doubt anyone else is either. I do run the six month releases on my desktop, because I like having a newer GNOME and such, but that's a desktop.
Great review! Most other youtubers don't even bother testing it for real. This type of bug of key functionality (here update and display scaling) is unacceptable in a LTS or entreprise release, you are right. I would be curious to see if this affects Lubuntu minimal install with no snapd...
Good review as always. I dont like to use ubuntu anymore since the introduction of snap. True. But i love ubuntu as the fundament of wonderful distros like Pop OS, Mint and Zorin! I hope these will be great again.😉 To give it credit, i tried 24.04 on many notebooks and desktops with different hardware, and all worked. Compared to fedora, the automatic ubuntu install of nvidia driver is awesome!
They should switch the DE to Plasma. I had been using Gnome for about 4 years because I wanted to use Wayland and Plasma was not stable with it. With Plasma 6, it's reasonably stable (occasionality the shell crashes, but that doesn't affect running apps, so it's not a big deal) and solved so many problems I had with Gnome. For beginners who are accustomed to Windows, Plasma should be more familiar than Gnome is. Since Ubuntu is sort of the beginner Linux, it should be Plasma.
I was looking forward to this release - but fractional scaling for 4K screens is still an issue. At best , I get blurry fonts and, worst case application crashes. After using Mint / Ubunt for at least 8 years, I decided to run another distro with Plasma 6. Works great on 4K monitors.
As a newbie I have 24.04 and it is all going very well. If my pace keeps up I will only need Windows for my Boss effects pedals and Focusrite analog interface. Even then, there might eventually be a simple driver for the analog interface such that I could still get to the 4 analog ins and 4 analog outs. I figure with the effects pedals I can download a few tweaks now and then, but select manually. It is not that difficult. Today's goal is migrating and setting up my email. Wish me luck.
I have experienced the display resolution gnome crash too. It was quite confusing. I had to restart gnome entirely if I remember correctly. Pretty much made me pack up the distro right there. No way this is something that can be distributed publicly without the word beta next to it.
thankfully, i haven't experienced the issues you noted with my 24.04 installs. while i do think they should delay if they need to, i really hope they don't change the release schedule. i like the new stuff in the interim releases
Good review. Had the same problems with it when I looked at it. There is certainly an impression of it being "issue or be damned" mentality at Canonical. Like always, wait for .1
Enterprise shops won't be installing this version anytime soon. My work is still using Windows 10. Anyone who is anyone is going to wait until, at the very least, the first .1 release.
Were just waiting for VMware support for VDIs and it'll be rolled out for desktops and VDIs. But we don't run Ubuntu Server anywhere, that's the job of Rocky 9.
I was waiting for the update notification on my wife's Framework 13 that's on 22.04. Looks like I'll wait a bit longer till they iron out the kinks (and actually send an update notification; I haven't seen one yet). I upgraded my Fedora KDE spin from 39 to 40 today and haven't run into any major bugs there. Only thing I've found till now is that if I have multiple browsers open and don't play audio for 10-20 minutes, my bluetooth headset picks the last browser that played any sound and ignores all of the others. I need to disconnect and reconnect again. For that to be the only "bug" I ran into was surprising to me, but then again, upgrades from 36 onwards have never given me any major grief.
But Jay, they had to release it. I'm thinking, 18.04, 20.04, 22.04, then comes 24.04. Come rain, come watermelon they had to release 24.04 in April, 2 years after 22.04 came out. LTS release cycle is the law...
08:29 - well.... That's more than reasons to not like snap at all. For some mounths now, I am using arch based distro, like Manjaro or EndevourOS, with KDE Plasma 6 and need to say that's awesome.
The frequent releases doesn't have so much to do with users, but is more about the developer community. It reduces the difference between releases. Gnome is a very small part of Ubuntu and there are an enormous number of packages that fits together. Most people should not be on the cutting edge, because it always has a lot of sharp corners. A lot could be improved by simply changing the way they communicate with the public, because a big part of the problem is that users expectations are wrong. In reality, the polishing begins when a new version is out. There's nothing wrong with that approach as long as users don't think otherwise.
It's not a requirement for most people to install the 6-monthly releases. They're only for enthusiasts or hobbists. Heck even LTS releases can be skipped if one so chooses.
Interesting video and I have subscribed. Nice to see someone that actually knows Linux and what he is talking about! 😂😂 I am going to test 24.0.4 soon, but seeing this video... is it worth instead installing a previous version ... for now?
I hate gnome. It is hard to get a work flow going. It's just not intuitive. Xfce might seem primitive, but it just works. My 90 y. o. Mother used Xfce for almost a decade.
I tried that same upgrade and it failed miserably, and no way to roll it back even though btrfs supposedly has a snapshot feature. I don't mind an "experimental" distro, ...except when it blows up in my face.
@@danfg7215 I've upgraded several machines from F39 to F40 without any trouble at all these last few days. Some of them have been upgraded all the way from F35.
To prioritize release dates over quality is the same bs we have in the games area for a while now. Makes me rethink about using Ubuntu on the long term.
Using gnome-tweaks to change the cursor and I get that Oh No whitescreen of death. I log out, reboot and whatever I do I get that whitescreen and have to reinstall Ubuntu
I agree with the release cycle point. Most people that want a 6 month release cycle probably don't care about Ubuntu's enterprise grade stability and so have shifted to Fedora anyways. Ubuntu can definitely get away with only one interim release between two LTS releases. So a 24.04 LTS, then 25.04, then 26.04 LTS.
Thanks for the review. I'm sorry about the bugs you encountered, and I hope that the bugs that you mentioned will be ironed out by the time the first point release comes out.
I upgraded to 24 lts right on the day of launch and boom, it blew up, had to use another laptop to boot up my pendrive and very shamelessly i installed 24 lts again, and everything seems to work fine and now my screen flickers and jitters. And over-all it is a good and stable distro but yes, shifting back to 22 and will upgrade maybe on 24.04.1 release
LTS needs more time to work properly with decent quality testing for enterprise environments. Agree fully - I won't be touching Ubuntu - even virtualised until 24.04.1 or even 24.04.2 - relying on this type of situation for production workstation operating systems is a crap show.
Ouch, that's bad even by Ubuntu's 1st-day release standards (I've used Ubuntu for so many years), but also interesting this is the 1st review where something like this happened. They absolutely should do a yearly release than a bi-yearly, but it's too much to ask.
A couple more problems: Another You-Tuber, who was evaluating 24.04, said that he was disturbed that his install took over 30 minutes to complete. When I tried to install (NOTE the word TRIED), I gave up on the install after 90 minutes. I continued trying 4 more times and in each case aborted the effort after 90 minutes. I will try downloading a new .iso before trying again. Yeah, methinks this particular version is still buggy.
Given the xz backdoor led to one less week of testing, I'm not surprised. Then again, this and the last two LTS releases haven't been very stable at release (20.04 wasn't very good and 22.04 was a mismatch of GNOME and GTK apps).
@@cameronbosch1213 I never loaded 22.04, so can't comment on that; but, I had NO problem installing 20.04 (or 18.04, or 14.04, or 12.04) -- just 24.04. Oh, I DID install Unity 22.04 and had no problem with that.
Congratulations on your Udemy course launch.🎉🌷 I wish i have it during my college year. I wasn't able to get deep into Linux until i found your book, a year after i got out college.
You’re doing a great thing for us sir, I suggest if you make a video of installing a packet tracer on this version I’ve been trying with old version procedures but fails successfully 😢
I did had a same issues like that. Luckily, they can give this a point release just to fix the issues that is needed unlike a previous LTS (22.04) had a first point release that managed to fix the installer issues for NVIDIA users. Hopefully, they'll might fix the 4K or 8K issues about fractional scaled set to 200% by default like my iMac (2017 21.5 inch), if I tried that version on my iMac, small loading screen at second then upscaled it to 200% automatically to be a default. Yes, even I tried back in 23.04 (Lunar Lobster), same thing happen. However, my iMac's speaker won't work with Ubuntu but macOS, I'm not saying I'm switching back to macOS because it's trusted, I know apple ruined the trust due to claiming this "8GB ram is a same thing as 16GB ram (misleading claim)" Time keeps flying just to waste their time, very delightful to say is not their fault, but it's a timer's fault.
What i love about Ubuntu is that if, god forbid your device gets corrupted or damaged (at least in my case) you can install Ubuntu via OEM which isnt something thats available for most distros, and it can extend the life of some devices!
If you don't know why it has horrible scaling, their installer is still using old deprecated xorg x11 session. I hate xorg x11. It never works correctly. I am using fedora KDE and wayland.
I don't get why Ubuntu uses Xorg for the installer when you actually use Wayland after the install. That opens the opportunity for Xorg in the installer to work well, but Wayland to not work well once you boot (Nvidia). Or Xorg in the installer may not work well (especially with mixed refresh rate monitors), but then everything will be fine after install.
@@that_leaflet you can still choose to use Xorg in the login screen in that case, and I'm sure there is a valid reason they use Xorg for their installer. After all it's a battle-tested piece of software, but I'm in your boat: I hate Xorg (since Xfree86 :P)
I agree. An LTS should prioritize stability instead of deadlines. That said 24.04 improved performance a lot. Also it fixed the problem i had with my wifi disconnecting. I don't know how much of that is because of the kernel version.
I was going to say this. The first number is the last two digits of the year (2006), and the number of the month (04 being delayed to 06, from April to June). Thus, it should be trivial to see how often Canonical delayed a release.
This is precisely the reason why I switched to FreeBSD for (most) of my baremetal servers, if docker is not too important for a deployment I stick with FBSD because of how damn stable the thing is (for usage and updates), I recently updated from 12 to 14 with literally 0 hiccups and updating ubuntu from any old LTS to new LTS always messes up everything up for me, I really wish there was more love for drivers on FBSD land but yeah.. that ain't happening
The lack of KDE Plasma 6 on Kubuntu / Ubuntu Studio until October is a huge miss imo. That's one of the reasons I use a rolling release and why I think true point releases are dead outside of enterprise use cases, at least for the desktop environments.
I'm still waiting for Tuxedo OS to move to KDE 6. We're in 5.27. We do have a slowed down rolling release cycle. Sometime this summer we'll be moving to the new Ubuntu LTS base and KDE Plasma 6.
Just have freshly installed Ubuntu 24.04 from 22.04 and trust me it feels good but so many things are just crashing, this dude can even open appcenter I can't even open that , it became a hell of a thing for me cause I have erased the 22.04 and now I am here waiting for all the bug fixes 😢
Came back from Arch and Void to Ubuntu. It's a pleasant surprise how smooth Ubuntu is now. Not using any software store, just one snap (Firmware Updater), flatpak and traditional DEBs. Can't complain at all.
The installation was absolutely flawles here and I have experinced no issues, not one and the same goes for out Ubuntu club. We don't say that just to cover anything up. We address the problems as they, but there are none yet. Either it's your hardware or you just want there to be issues.
these quick releases bring attention and clicks from enterprise and the public. every linux youtuber, social media influencer, blog and mailing list brings it up.
Ok but you are saying that this version is not acceptable because bugs on your specific setup, you should look at more experiences to say that, for me I installed it and it worked perfectly
I'm currently using 22.04. After the whole thing with Red Hat and Fedora, I'm really contemplating moving my personal gear away from Canonical because I'm not convinced that they won't try to do the same thing in the future.
I would look heavily as Suse for enterprise use and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed for personal use. Seriously, this was yet another LTS released before it was ready...
Debian is the obvious way to go. They are the "Tortoise" that wins the race. It's Quality, Appeal, Flexibility, Stability and Generousity. It's also got DEB, DPKG and APT.
Things the majority of open source projects do, they do never test, implement the new shinny broken feature causing regression everywhere and push everything to the user, make the user add a bug report that will never will be resolved in a list of the +1000 reports. Gnome it's a great example of how get the users mad.
I think many (though sadly not all) of the issues outlined are due to you making a fresh install from either a disk or an . iso download. If you wait for August 29th you can update your 22.04.4 into a 24.04.1. Existing settings on Ubuntu will be retained as much as possible this way. Sure there are always going to be issues. My sound was lost. My 24.04 defaulted to X11 - nit Wayland. Desktop was defaulted to Unity for Chrissakes. Desktop folder icons were hidden till someone on Stack Exchange saw how to config the Extensions app to fix this snag. No doubt I'll find more in the coming weeks. But it's stupid of Ubuntu to try to present their distro as a stble one. That honor goes to Debian. Ubuntu is really about user friendliness more than anything else. I won't be upgrading to 24.04 for my server, that's for sure. I agree that committing to an LTS every 2 years is bad for devs and users.
IME, Ubuntu has had an uneven user experience over the years. Linux Mint is way better option for people in need of a stable desktop. Though personally I am on Garuda Linux, a rolling release model. I'd say it is working out great, but might not be for everyone due to too frequent updates?! Either Linux Mint (Debian) or Arch rolling release. Ubuntu users are going to face inconsistencies in package installation too, since they need to manage their software sources.. So.. counter intuitively, Ubuntu is actually more difficult to run smooth compared to a good rolling release Arch-based linux. Coming back to Linux Mint, it is the fundamental way of doing things differently: Do not release shiny new gadgets until they are rock solid and work!
Thanks for your honesty and willingness ro call them out on this. I have felt this way for a while regarding their release cycle. I run Debian on my servers and Ubuntu on my desktops/laptops, and have run into display problems on multiple occasions when doing Ubuntu dist-upgrades. I vote with you, make it once per year...maybe we wind up doing less beta testing. I never upgrade until the point-1 release anyway, and only use LTS releases- but sometimes still have problems. Overall, though, I'm satisfied with Ubuntu, otherwise I'd have switched everything over to Debian years ago. Thanks for your great videos. Much appreciated!!
The youtube block blocker is preventing me to see the videos. Please let me know if you post them on other platforms like Odyssei, etc. I'll like to give it a try! Anyway, thanks for all the useful videos.
At 8:08 lol, I have a same problem about update snap store. The only way to fix that is either "sudo snap refresh snap-store" or "sudo snap refresh" if I did either way, it updates snap store just fine. ============================================================================================ At 8:43 Nope lol, gnome software has a same problem, again if did a workaround on terminal, again it updates just fine.
I'm new to Linux. I guess I just found new AMD graphics cards cannot work completely on the new Linux kernel 6.8. That's a critical issue with all Linux distros.
While modern look init. I agree with you It is too fast in rolling update, is it even LTS? My Dropbox notification icon not working. Annoying every time I click on title bar free space and it is suggesting to window tilling. 22.04.04 had a update and started lagging my gnome terminal so I hurried to make a fresh install on my working machine. Now it made a history.
One thing I want to know, why did the devs remove compact mode for folders for the default program? I can't fathom why having less view of my files is better. I have to install Cinnamon.
There is positive in this release. But somehow the managed to break things that worked fine in beta version. And nvidia driver have new troubles like on dual screen setup detects 3 monitors. Checked on GT710 470 driver and GTX970 535 driver. It's real shame that I need to update to this. I agree that Canonical need to drop 6 month release schedule. Releasing LTS every 2 years is fine, but for interim it's okay to have one 6 months before next LTS release. Everything in-between should be beta build testing. Stability and quality over quantity.
Why does everyone feel the need to mention how the devs are not at fault at all whenever someone's talking about how a new software release is buggy and broken? They agreed to the timeline. Makes them at least partially responsible.
Everytime i want to swap over to linux something like this stops me. Basic stuff like scaling and updating apps seems more difficult than it should be.
I'm struggling with the resizing of the apps when clicking the top toolbar. Almost always I missclick it and it goes crazy until y close everything. How can i disable this?
Love your videos and watching you grow my man. Don't know what I would do without Linux. I have PVE installed and jump around on different distros. Debian will always be my favorite though. Thanks for your time doing these videos!
