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DC is back with the latest fighter ratings updates breaking down all the craziness from UFC 261. Which fighters do you think deserve an upgrade or downgrade?
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@Anonymous_opposition
@Anonymous_opposition 3 года назад
Dc - “hold on I’m adjusting brother”
@azizali7665
@azizali7665 3 года назад
Kevin Holland: the way to victory is to smash brother
@EmptyBrewsky
@EmptyBrewsky 3 года назад
How nice of them not to drop Weidman's leg strength stat.
@ЧеловекЧеловеченко-б2с
They did
@sambeck8010
@sambeck8010 3 года назад
Savage
@danishkiller91
@danishkiller91 3 года назад
Best comment of the video 😂
@claytonclaymagic
@claytonclaymagic 3 года назад
they did it to silva
@trip6ix886
@trip6ix886 3 года назад
god dam i can’t hold it in🤣🤣
@therottingrat7204
@therottingrat7204 3 года назад
Dc droppin his psn, what a legend
@akindtroll28
@akindtroll28 3 года назад
I sent him a request, hope he accepts it
@SniperPheanom
@SniperPheanom 3 года назад
I couldn’t find it
@kolesteele4242
@kolesteele4242 3 года назад
I’m going to challenge that guy every other day.....💪🏼 BRING IT DC!
@jasonborn9969
@jasonborn9969 3 года назад
@@Fallout7295 get out kiddo
@LordMonix
@LordMonix 3 года назад
@@jasonborn9969 yo dude dont act like a bully
@gustavoramiro5449
@gustavoramiro5449 3 года назад
Finally. Also could you guys add Islam Makhachev, Gregor Gillespie and Magomed Ankalaev in a game update? Please.
@quentondrake92844
@quentondrake92844 3 года назад
I agree completely bro, they should definitely add Dan Ige, Shane Burgos, Sodiq Yuseff, Giga Chikadze , Chito Vera there's still some top females missing and lastly they should make GSP 5 stars😁
@mmaurijn
@mmaurijn 3 года назад
@@quentondrake92844 also Rafaël fiziev a muay Thai master would be really fun to play with
@robieruchy7805
@robieruchy7805 3 года назад
Marcin Tybura, Sean Strickland, Ryan Spann, Merab Dvalishvili, Tom Aspinall also :)
@yallknownikkiyt1230
@yallknownikkiyt1230 3 года назад
@@robieruchy7805 Muhammad Belal Niko Price Jimmy Crute
@j0llyl257
@j0llyl257 3 года назад
They should just fix broken game mechanics instead of adding fighters
@txx8981
@txx8981 3 года назад
"We ain't gon show favouritism" proceeds to give him the biggest boost out of all after being ko'd
@jacobpalacio1226
@jacobpalacio1226 3 года назад
Fr and masvidal got koed faster than McGregor did and by a wrestler. When conor got koed by dustin, dc removed him from the top fighters at lightweight.
@bastard342
@bastard342 3 года назад
@@jacobpalacio1226 ye but they did need to up jorges switch but ye they fucked conor
@jasondunwoodie7312
@jasondunwoodie7312 3 года назад
@@jacobpalacio1226 Conor is 1-2 at lightweight and doesn't hold a current W against anyone in the top 10 other then Dustin at FW 6 years ago. They got it correct not having Conor as a top fighter in the LW division.
@PhoenixPhenom777
@PhoenixPhenom777 3 года назад
@@jacobpalacio1226 wrestler?
@theenigmazz2352
@theenigmazz2352 3 года назад
@@PhoenixPhenom777 usman is primarily a wrestler but his striking is better than most strikers striking so it’s a stupid argument
@riigoo4714
@riigoo4714 3 года назад
What about Jiri? He needs a buff in Head strength, Spinning elbow and punch speed
@getbrains531
@getbrains531 3 года назад
He's already got the spinning elbow
@bomalpatriote7265
@bomalpatriote7265 3 года назад
@@getbrains531 still need spinning back elbow lvl 4 or 5
@therottingrat7204
@therottingrat7204 3 года назад
@@bomalpatriote7265 u sure he doesnt have that already?
@CT-mw7fn
@CT-mw7fn 3 года назад
@@therottingrat7204 he does but they need to make it a level five move which I’m not sure if it is or not but I don’t think it is
@therottingrat7204
@therottingrat7204 3 года назад
@@CT-mw7fn yeah i ment that, his spinning elbow is pretty strong already. Tho you’re right: they should be clear about the level update!
@tyquantyson1069
@tyquantyson1069 3 года назад
Masvidal gets KOd and gets the biggest boost of everyone. It’s sick
@Abc-jm8mo
@Abc-jm8mo 3 года назад
Tbf they have to he is the cover star
@melvintornqvist5905
@melvintornqvist5905 3 года назад
@@Abc-jm8mo it shouldn't mean anything. The game is trash anyway.
@TheLostWanderer88
@TheLostWanderer88 3 года назад
This comment shows us the sort of people playing the game they are happy to see boost on fighters who got knocked out cold
@terrydavid5671
@terrydavid5671 3 года назад
Adding 2 fighters a month isn't enough considering how many ranked fighters are still missing.
@Knockout1997
@Knockout1997 3 года назад
Where’s Jiri Prochazka update ? I want that antenna and speed and what about ground elbows from top mount, half guard and full guard ? Come on EA its MMA.
@Knockout1997
@Knockout1997 3 года назад
@Abdullah Jaber What about ground elbows bro ? I don’t think EA even cares what we ask for
@CT-mw7fn
@CT-mw7fn 3 года назад
@@Knockout1997 facts how they leave out elbows in ground and pound when that’s lone of the biggest aspects of ground and pounds
@Knockout1997
@Knockout1997 3 года назад
@@CT-mw7fn EA doesn’t care bro. THQ made the greatest MMA game, UFC Undisputed 3.
@jimmilton7520
@jimmilton7520 3 года назад
Poirier's right-arm tattoo is wrong because the tattoo on his wrist is on his shoulder, and I hope you fix it for the next update.
@jonwifebeaterjones6389
@jonwifebeaterjones6389 3 года назад
Is it that important bruh they have to fix real things not tattoos dude
@mishimakazuya6167
@mishimakazuya6167 3 года назад
We need new character model for Jiri Procházka with the new hair and give him level 3 spinning elbow
@theelitesquad5923
@theelitesquad5923 3 года назад
New Characters Needed to be Added to The Game Islam Machachev Gregor Gillespie Dan Ige Belal Muhammad Carlos Diego Ferreira Julian Marquez Ryan Spann
@pratiklaljimusic6146
@pratiklaljimusic6146 3 года назад
I sometimes like to create my own event and play against the AI, so there should be promoter mode or something to add some excitement in single player mode.
@sarcasticgenius8563
@sarcasticgenius8563 3 года назад
Absolutely. Promoter mode, and also manager mode, would be amazing.
@CT-mw7fn
@CT-mw7fn 3 года назад
That be awesome but no way they add something like that in an update mabye in ufc 5 but ea too lazy we won’t see that in 4
@stylebender2897
@stylebender2897 3 года назад
When will be the next update there is the reebok logo on the octagon for God's sake
@beaver229
@beaver229 3 года назад
put ground elbows back into the game and give DC 4.5 stars because he got finished 2 times in his last 6 5 star fighters should have no losses
@JoKu2311
@JoKu2311 3 года назад
Gotta agree with the elbows. But DC should stay at 5 Stars. His character has been changed to a legend character because he retired so he‘s judged from his prime and overall accomplishments so it makes sense. However, they should also make GSP and Silva legend characters with 5 stars. (Also DC got finished twice, not three times. His last fight was a decision loss to Stipe)
@mrillis9259
@mrillis9259 3 года назад
@@JoKu2311 his current stand up is way out of regular.
@mrillis9259
@mrillis9259 3 года назад
@Abdullah Jaber I think that was a slick uppercut in the clinch.
@soczix_5243
@soczix_5243 3 года назад
DC playing 2K, What a legend.
@itzyaboi8648
@itzyaboi8648 3 года назад
Is that really him?
@LordMonix
@LordMonix 3 года назад
@@itzyaboi8648 yep
@thesonofjohn1828
@thesonofjohn1828 3 года назад
WHERE ARE THE NEW FIGHTERS?????????????
@jeffertonalive8536
@jeffertonalive8536 3 года назад
DC now that he's retired you must give Anderson Silva Legend Ratings❗❗❗ Do it for your Whoadies down south👍
@xFINISHxHIMx
@xFINISHxHIMx 3 года назад
Great can you fix the game now? I mean its only 9 months after release ...
@chinesedana1567
@chinesedana1567 3 года назад
10*
@pommemelon7026
@pommemelon7026 3 года назад
Y'all still playing this trash ?
@andythewarriorwang4755
@andythewarriorwang4755 3 года назад
@@pommemelon7026 Only mma game still getting updates, so yes
@itzsteedz3832
@itzsteedz3832 3 года назад
@@andythewarriorwang4755 imo ufc 3 is still better
@andythewarriorwang4755
@andythewarriorwang4755 3 года назад
@@itzsteedz3832 I agree. Hard to keep playing though when some of the current champs aren't even in it.
@L_Nasty714
@L_Nasty714 3 года назад
Put Gregor Gillespie,Jimmy Crute,Islam ,Dan Ige, Shane Burgos,Ryan Hall and Marlon Vera please
@LiIRaynare
@LiIRaynare 3 года назад
Put the ring round girls in the octagon fight in DLC. WILL BUY IT FOR SURE
@mike8768
@mike8768 3 года назад
Update ratings but don’t fix the game smh
@stampiboy1
@stampiboy1 3 года назад
In this video they look better then the actual game ! Maybe next gen update??
@beaver229
@beaver229 3 года назад
it looks better on ps5 tbh
@stampiboy1
@stampiboy1 3 года назад
@@beaver229 i got xbox series x i play on 4k hdr 65inch tv with fps boost i now what next gen optimazed games looks like and ufc4 (or any ufc games) ARE NOT optimized for next gen . Fifa 21 is and it looks STUNNING !
@stampiboy1
@stampiboy1 3 года назад
My xbox tag is Salamhan .
@stampiboy1
@stampiboy1 3 года назад
Year after realise Ufc3 got xbox one x update (i have xbox one x pure white limited edition back than) and game looked waaaaay better . Im REEEEEALLY HOPE ufc4 will have x|s and ps5 next gen update . Image is sharper , graphics are better , lighting feels real ect
@MagnoOCN
@MagnoOCN 3 года назад
please add fighter ufc and game fans deserve it: francisco trinaldo "Massaranduba", shane burgos, greg hardy, Luis Pena, Hakeem Dawodu "And" roxanne modafferi
@patrickmaude8008
@patrickmaude8008 3 года назад
This game is the definition of “you can’t polish a turd”
@Superunrealfighter
@Superunrealfighter 3 года назад
For real. This game is beyond repair.
@yourenotthatguypal3483
@yourenotthatguypal3483 3 года назад
Just wait for ESBC to drop and a bunch of the UFC game fans will migrate over
@vladm8194
@vladm8194 3 года назад
It would be great if they updated the game cover art with the champions Kamaru,Francis,Jan and Izzy.
@vladm8194
@vladm8194 3 года назад
@Abdullah Jaber At the end of the day he's still a the current light heavyweight champion till he gets defeatead My main focus is that EA could of done a better job with the visual game cover art showing the current champions of each division.
@kolesteele4242
@kolesteele4242 3 года назад
I’m adding you up DC, you’re gonna get “Smeshed” bro. I bring the “funking” heat, hope you’re hungry cause I got that Spicy PopEyes & you gonna get a whole bucket meal and a 2L to the virtual dome. You’ve ate everything I’ve worked for.....
@JR-he6fn
@JR-he6fn 3 года назад
Have they added new fighters to UFC 4 since its release?
@brutus3728
@brutus3728 3 года назад
Yeah they update it on a montly base , by adding 2 new fighters, one of the last +points imo
@ethanfunganitao6745
@ethanfunganitao6745 3 года назад
Playing with DC will be the funniest thing ever to do 🤣😂🤣😂 let's go DC
@vasilikaffentzis832
@vasilikaffentzis832 3 года назад
All I want is champion shorts for all players
@rometmma
@rometmma 3 года назад
They Are called champion shorts for a reason u know
@mmn7209
@mmn7209 3 года назад
@@rometmma exactly
@CJDimes
@CJDimes 3 года назад
@@rometmma yes but looking at older games you could get them no matter what which was hilarious when in rivalries with friends arguing who the real champ is on UFC 2 and UFC 3
@vasilikaffentzis832
@vasilikaffentzis832 3 года назад
@@CJDimes that’s what I mean
@vasilikaffentzis832
@vasilikaffentzis832 3 года назад
@@rometmma for custom universes
@donny5429
@donny5429 3 года назад
I can’t believe you let Colby’s stats be so poor. His stand up is better than that.
@angussimpson9717
@angussimpson9717 3 года назад
Urijiah Hall got a half star upgrade for checking a Leg kick
@canadagoose8543
@canadagoose8543 3 года назад
Everybody is gangsta until DC dings your stats.
@marvinadensya1703
@marvinadensya1703 3 года назад
They should do a new Jiri version because of the hair like how they have two mcgregors
@mmaurijn
@mmaurijn 3 года назад
3:22 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@keepcalmandboxon
@keepcalmandboxon 3 года назад
I've just collected all my rewards now I'm level 15 from 9 lol I've just found where to collect them
@markroyds23
@markroyds23 3 года назад
Lop there's three many 4 star and 4 and a half star ratings now I can happily pick random knowing that I'm still gonna get a high powered fighter. They have no idea about ratings they are all OP
@CannibalisticCorpseGrinder
@CannibalisticCorpseGrinder 3 года назад
Anyone noticed that they added new stun and knockdown animations? I've seen 2 or 3 by now
@dreadheaddavoo4709
@dreadheaddavoo4709 3 года назад
DC dropped his PSN I gotta play em man
@JACKANDTHEMSOME
@JACKANDTHEMSOME 3 года назад
Please i beg for some UK fighters
@iamthebelt1768
@iamthebelt1768 3 года назад
Arnold Allen us now 4 stars
@iliatsl1693
@iliatsl1693 3 года назад
Add giga chikadze and merab dvalishvili to the game!
@titansfan1274
@titansfan1274 3 года назад
If rob was not already the best middleweight in the game
@xwitex7138
@xwitex7138 3 года назад
When will mateusz gamrot be in ufc 4
@TheBlackJerome
@TheBlackJerome 3 года назад
Could you Please let us edit offline cafs freely in ufc 4. Let us use 100 overall cafs offline. Also, it would great if you allowed us to change our moves as well for our offline cafs
@daddysfatsausageinyourbumb4419
@daddysfatsausageinyourbumb4419 3 года назад
Ea not keeping us updated on fighter updates seems like they keeping everything on the DL
@alexfrantescu9160
@alexfrantescu9160 3 года назад
En 2021 y aún hay luchadores que ni están y los que si están no ??
@jimjimson2003
@jimjimson2003 3 года назад
Chris Weidman - sorry brother, -80 leg strength
@CJDimes
@CJDimes 3 года назад
Aight you went too far on that one
@bobbybuilder4653
@bobbybuilder4653 3 года назад
Robert was already the meta I can finally beat high level Izzy players now.
@markroyds23
@markroyds23 3 года назад
Good players can win using 3 and a half star rayed fighters...Good players don't need to use the highest rated fighters in order to be competitive
@CPTcoke76
@CPTcoke76 3 года назад
@@markroyds23 you tried that against max Holloway ? 😂😂
@bobbybuilder4653
@bobbybuilder4653 3 года назад
@@markroyds23I’m division 20 and I used to be top 200 in the world. You don’t have to tell me what good players can do.
@bobbybuilder4653
@bobbybuilder4653 3 года назад
@@markroyds23 I’ve sparred and fought with esfl champions I’m just saying it’s gonna be easier for me to beat high level Izzy players
@montanadash20
@montanadash20 3 года назад
@@markroyds23 he's not talking about the AI, or some dude from up the street... you must not play this game in ranked online... The star ratings and perks DEFINITELY make a difference once you start bumping shoulders with the HIGHEST level of players!!!
@dageneral215
@dageneral215 3 года назад
I have Dc as a friend we played Rec together on NBA 2k he hit the game winning shot for our team he may remember if he see’s this...
@schwarzkopf1621
@schwarzkopf1621 3 года назад
Newest update broke that game completly!!! Dont play that.
@rh3937
@rh3937 3 года назад
Meanwhile woodley is somehow still 4.5 stars... should be 3.5
@ZoquinBolt
@ZoquinBolt 3 года назад
dont forget to change oliveiras hair color next patch besides his stats !!
@allthingsstarwarsnl8734
@allthingsstarwarsnl8734 3 года назад
I wanted to add you daniel but you have to many friend requests already.... I want to face you with my Whittaker
@SuperSohSo
@SuperSohSo 3 года назад
I was hoping more of a power upgrade to usman
@calebwhyte6957
@calebwhyte6957 3 года назад
He’s got 95 power 😂
@SuperSohSo
@SuperSohSo 3 года назад
@@calebwhyte6957 Ik I was hoping for a 98 power
@calebwhyte6957
@calebwhyte6957 3 года назад
@@SuperSohSo that’s hilarious
@SuperSohSo
@SuperSohSo 3 года назад
@@calebwhyte6957 how ? He Broke Colbys Jaw , He put Gilbert down , and just recently Knocked out Jorge who has never been knocked out Cold .
@calebwhyte6957
@calebwhyte6957 3 года назад
@@SuperSohSo you realise how few people have 98 power? You sound stupid
@joshuaperez1531
@joshuaperez1531 3 года назад
Add Islam
@kylekuzma1400
@kylekuzma1400 3 года назад
An upgrade in the top game for shevchenko 😳
@PhoenixPhenom777
@PhoenixPhenom777 3 года назад
How does masvidal get a +7 in switching stances when Rob doesn’t even get a head kick power bonus, or how does Kamaru get only +1 power
@L_Nasty714
@L_Nasty714 3 года назад
Short notice should bump up your stats !!
@BarryBeeBuzzing
@BarryBeeBuzzing 3 года назад
Worst ufc game could be so much better like ufc 2
@asjokosnt4899
@asjokosnt4899 3 года назад
Will be added Ryan Hall?
@rizkyarieframadhan4893
@rizkyarieframadhan4893 3 года назад
So Postured Up Full Guard And Half Guard Elbow GNP?
@JACKANDTHEMSOME
@JACKANDTHEMSOME 3 года назад
So going to bump Andrei but not add Tom ?
@playername6824
@playername6824 3 года назад
?
@pratiklaljimusic6146
@pratiklaljimusic6146 3 года назад
@@playername6824 he is talking about tom aspinall who beat arlovski
@CJDimes
@CJDimes 3 года назад
Might be added in update this just ratings update
@playername6824
@playername6824 3 года назад
I don't think Aspinall is in high demand right now to be added, but eventually he is
@GustavoLopes123
@GustavoLopes123 3 года назад
Falta a atualização do Charles do bronx !!!!!!!
@gfdit2067
@gfdit2067 3 года назад
Legend Anderson Silva pleaseeeee 🥺
@Dollasignsalliwant
@Dollasignsalliwant 3 года назад
Where is Shane Burgos
@thisisntthewholesomefuture649
@thisisntthewholesomefuture649 3 года назад
I love you DC.. but screw the filth at EA. I can't give them my money. I have UFC3 with about 300 hours played.
@mrillis9259
@mrillis9259 3 года назад
Playing ultimate team?
@UNDEFEATED7000
@UNDEFEATED7000 3 года назад
I was wrong...UFC 4 is so good.
@schwarzkopf1621
@schwarzkopf1621 3 года назад
THQ made ufc undisputed groundgame perfect!!! EA destroyed the whole game! Gays
@hmanvlogs2956
@hmanvlogs2956 3 года назад
Hey so why don’t you update Charles Oliviera and Edson Barboza, he don’t wear those shorts anymore n they both look different now, old ass fucking models
@highrankdemon
@highrankdemon 3 года назад
DC becomes ez work when picking Stipe or Jones
@marcoramirez313
@marcoramirez313 3 года назад
Can y’all please update Charles oliveira with his new tatt and hair, and please change mike Perry’s hair
@David20Davis
@David20Davis 3 года назад
I look forward to these 🤗
@tc6025
@tc6025 3 года назад
So are they not adding fighters? If they are when the game is getting stale
@mysticpapiknows
@mysticpapiknows 3 года назад
Ima add DC , run it on PlayStation double champ
@pietrocalda3812
@pietrocalda3812 3 года назад
Vettoriiii
@runt6532
@runt6532 3 года назад
You said no favoritism but then give masvidal more than he lost even tho he was knocked out in less than 2 rounds
@isacgyri7129
@isacgyri7129 3 года назад
What about jiri?
@2kmichaeljordan438
@2kmichaeljordan438 3 года назад
Make Anderson Silva a legend and add ken shamrock and bas rutten, then after Saturday, make khabib a legend
@santiagoanorve969
@santiagoanorve969 3 года назад
Were is Don Frye?
@droppa57kgx24
@droppa57kgx24 3 года назад
Jiri Prochazka needs to be updated or it’s a crime. He needs to be moved to 4.5 stars.
@LimitedHandles
@LimitedHandles 3 года назад
So everytime someone wins there stats have to increase and each time a fighter loses their stats have to decrease? That makes no sense. From a video game aspect you are reducing fighters , which people maybe prefer, and increasing fighters ability which are already more popular. Makes 0 sense. Also, Jiri Porchazka is still slow , got no buff? What the hell are you doing EA UFC? lol honestly you all do not give two shits about this.
@kiasj1794
@kiasj1794 3 года назад
I'm sure his belly movement is 100
@CJDimes
@CJDimes 3 года назад
99 since you can never get 100 in EA games lol but you can get 100 dollars wasted tho
@kentran9721
@kentran9721 3 года назад
After watching this video, Tyron Woolley takes his iPhone 12 and say " Racist ".
@marvinadensya1703
@marvinadensya1703 3 года назад
We going to ignore they gave masdival more of a buff than usman
@mikeyjxy
@mikeyjxy 3 года назад
add ground and pound elbows its mma for fucksakes
@terrydavid5671
@terrydavid5671 3 года назад
They are running out of resources and can't add them apparently
@mikeyjxy
@mikeyjxy 3 года назад
@@terrydavid5671 it's crazy how it's been on all the ufc games and now all of a sudden it's a problem
@terrydavid5671
@terrydavid5671 3 года назад
@@mikeyjxy It's probably an excuse cos they are just too lazy to do it
@ADMHipHop94
@ADMHipHop94 3 года назад
DC - when your advantage going into the fight is wrestling and you get dominated in that way i ... know exactly how you feel
@alexfrantescu9160
@alexfrantescu9160 3 года назад
Where is Kevin Randelman #legend #ufc #danawhite #eaufc
@alexm2394
@alexm2394 3 года назад
Bruu make Charles the champ and fix his character already
@lucasalex06
@lucasalex06 3 года назад
what about Oliveiras hair and ratings?
@claudiegarnier4560
@claudiegarnier4560 3 года назад
When do you improve the game btw ?
@biasedcormier
@biasedcormier 3 года назад
Masvidal was dominated and KTFO and they made him better😭
@Oatmeal2six
@Oatmeal2six 3 года назад
Just give Whittaker 5 stars already.
@louiejones9667
@louiejones9667 3 года назад
What about jiri
@theelitesquad5923
@theelitesquad5923 3 года назад
he is in the game they just need to update his look
@louiejones9667
@louiejones9667 3 года назад
@@theelitesquad5923 I know hes in the game but i ment update his stats and giving him the spinning elbow
@ultimatemegachad3487
@ultimatemegachad3487 3 года назад
@@louiejones9667 They usually update it 2 or 3 weeks after is what I notice.
@louiejones9667
@louiejones9667 3 года назад
@@ultimatemegachad3487 they should just do it with this update
@ultimatemegachad3487
@ultimatemegachad3487 3 года назад
@@louiejones9667 I know but it’s EA.
@JoshyManTheGreat
@JoshyManTheGreat 3 года назад
These are great
@montanadash20
@montanadash20 3 года назад
As long as they dont downgrade Cody Gardbrant, im good 👍
@derekweberjr.1596
@derekweberjr.1596 3 года назад
Yall got tyson fury put in deontay wilder please
@lucasalex06
@lucasalex06 3 года назад
they need to update Charles Oliveira, the ratings and the hair
@filipbryl3212
@filipbryl3212 3 года назад
I want to play wift dc but im play on xbox
@yessirrryessirrr756
@yessirrryessirrr756 3 года назад
I am tripping or Robert Whitaker got a new base ?
@milkweedreflections
@milkweedreflections 3 года назад
Uriah Hall.
@kingpickle413
@kingpickle413 3 года назад
Sad thing that there is no 50/50 guard
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