UGREEN 65W and 100W DIGINEST and DESKTOP Power Adapters 

Yep, it has been a fun ride. I do need to start figuring out how to promote the channel.

Thanks for watching!

Tell me about it, haha. There's a reason I stuff in Anker videos at regular intervals.

Yeah, I have tested a couple smaller ones, the Anker 5k fusion was in a video, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G2r_PFg2YsM.html with a bunch of others. I have more on the way too. On power adapters I did a huge 30W roundup not very long ago. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G2r_PFg2YsM.html and obviously in this video did 4 adapters. Trying to get through more to cover more, but it is expensive and time consuming. Time more limiting than anything. I am putting the work in so hopefully the channel doesn't die, which is okay and inevitable, power adapters and power banks will not make a successful RU-vid channel, at some point I will have to dial this back or learn a lot more and get better at this. I enjoy making the content at least for now. I do have a lot more smaller and larger power adapters and power banks on the way all in time including one on slim adapters.

@@AllThingsOnePlace I think it is really helpful what you are doing, since most people don't have the test equipment or knowledge to see what powerbanks and adapters are decent and which are junk. Honestly, Amazon shouldn't sell either adapters or powerbanks that don't meet some basic standards of power quality, capacity accuracy and safety. But since they don't do what they should be doing, it falls to people like you to help us filter the good from the bad or even dangerous.

Thanks for watching! Yeah, this one was a ton of work but it worked better as a combo versus individual reviews I think.

@@AllThingsOnePlace ...absolutely works better in the group. Your comparisons with other devices gives the context a non-expert, like me, would understand. I really have trouble watching reviews of anything which does not involve some form of comparison. Sometimes the whole thing cannot be a comparison, but with contrast, it can be more helpful. Seeing a family of Ugreens tells a story of how they are thinking (or not thinking, haha). So yeah...loved the comparisons and insights in this video.

I haven't yet, the bin of not tested yet is out of control. I've been trying to pick some more popular ones to try to help expand the channel, not really making any difference, ha.

The best multiport is still the Anker 7 series at 65W, but the new ones just came out so I have those to test next. The best single port charger is still the Amazon Basics 65W.

Thanks for watching.

I tried purchasing the GaN5 a few times and keep getting a cancelled order reply so not sure what the deal is on that 100W GaN5 device. I'd go with the one that actually exists as far as I can tell.

Yeah, I've tested several of some of these, from different manufacturers even, they generally are very close to each other. The PQS uncertainly curve is quite unusual in that it gets larger as the PQS decreases since more factors 'get bad' essentially. Sample to sample variance I've found to be very good though with testing of a few different adapter types. Specific to the Amazon it could be a golden sample.

Yeah, just from the value perspective I'd pick something else. Also, cables and USB accessories have been good for me.

Me too I love Ugreen's cables but weary/leary about their chargers!???

If the UGREEN has the better reviews then why not give it a try? I don't really have strong opinions of why not to get either.

Probably the Anker 735, I have the new 67W one to check out which will be coming out soon, that may be the new best one but I don't know yet.

I haven't checked those out yet. It looks like they have two different versions out. One looks like a clone of the desktop Baseus charger. The wall style looks like a clone of the Invzi (which wasn't so great) but I'd have to test it to find out.

@@AllThingsOnePlace hope you can test it soon because for me it is a sweet spot price for my budget.

Between Ugreen or Baseus I'd say both are about equal. The Ugreen might have a slight edge because it is a more mature company and probably has a bit better support.

Is AmazonBasics any good¿

If you are going to go with a 65W adapter I'd recommend at least something with a safety listing. Some manufacturers state this on the listing page but most don't. In general I try to step up to 100W if the cost is reasonable (look for a sale), the adapters tend to be a little more efficient and capable. Remember if you use two ports on this 65W adapter it drops the power level significantly per port. The 100W adapters generally can maintain 65W on at least one port with a couple devices plugged in. If it is all about size then I end up having to say Anker... if you can get away with one port, Amazon Basics 65W, cheap and it's okay.

@@AllThingsOnePlace Thanks a lot

Thanks for this summary

If it is a USB C to C cable they won't do that. With an Apple lightning, magsafe or any wireless charging pad they all will behave that way.

Nice.

Yeah, eventually I will have to check them out.

That's not bad, for UGREEN that probably is the best deal. I know sometimes a 100 watt charger can be had for around $50 so I think that is the better deal but it won't be from UGREEN.

Yeah, you'd think they'd just implement standard USB C. Nope. I'd have to have a Switch Lite to test with which eventually I will get more devices. The battery isn't that big, 3570mAh. So, 13 Wh or so. So, at 10W it should charge in less than 2 hours. I'd think any 5V-2A charger would work fine, but there is a detection device also so a certain resistance value has to be present in the cable.

@AllThingsOnePlace I can't wait for your video. Love your work. Keep being awesome!

It should state compatibility on the specs for each. It is very uncommon for these to not support a lower voltage though.

I mean Samsung makes power adapters, so, if a total unknown, I say go with the brand of charger of the device. It may not be most efficient or best performance adapter but it's made for the device. If you want to branch out more, then Anker tends to have the lead in reputation. UGREEN has started to add safety listings and some seemingly more premium products to the lineup. There are a completely insane amount of options on the market though so I've only tested enough to scratch the surface.

The device decides how much power to use. If it is an older slow charging device it will default to slower 5V charging without something to tell the power adapter to raise the power level. This can be either current for 5v or voltage modes to achieve the much higher power levels. Default output is 5V from a USB power adapter (as long as it isn't proprietary nonsense).

@@AllThingsOnePlace i think getting the 65w is ok then, just tying to future proof i guess and maybe just carry 1 power brick instead of many things with while im otg. thank man!

1) The wattage is secondary to the voltage, so a laptop probably won't charge from a '20w' port because it won't deliver enough voltage to charge the laptop. If it did, then it would just charge at 20W, generally the 30W+ ports can charge laptops though, just slower, which is not a problem. 2) Yeah, in general, adapters do a little worse on 230V, but the difference on higher wattage devices is not significant, essentially the same. The higher voltage means idle performance is worse and although efficiency can be better, the power factor gets worse so they kind of balance each other out to be roughly the same performance. 3) Yes! I make it even easier in the video by providing the usable or output watt hour so you can just do one division but yeah for any power bank the math is easy, multiply in voltage for ones that don't provide the information. I need to get these on the database also. Work in progress... Thanks for feedback on the PQS page, it is very early days but we are going to keep building it.

@@AllThingsOnePlace 1) So with response to 1, let's say I have a multiport adapter, and I have 2 laptops plugged in. According to the manual, the 2nd port does not deliver the wattage required by the charger. As the port is technically capable at reaching the voltage needed to charge the laptop but not the wattage, does the laptop charge in this scenario? I don't know if this makes sense but I don't really have a good understanding of how the wattage works in conjunction with the voltage. Super thankful for the response - do you have a sheet/page where you denote this information for all the powerbanks you have tested? It'd be good to have one paired with a database with the Wh of popular devices (flagship phones, USB-c laptops) to simplify "capacity" to the average consumers by using total amount of chargers, over, the total amount of MAh which is a misleading number? In addition, I'd like to see if you'd ever review the RAVPower powerbanks - I personally have one but would like to know the technical specs behind them, as well as the Omnicharge products - I'm planning to get an Omni 20c or 40c.

Yeah, I looked up the UGREEN certs, these products aren't on the list... If it isn't in the list or on the product, they aren't certified. Claiming they pass the tests doesn't mean certified. This isn't a cost saving measure either. Say it's $50k to get the product listed and they sell 100,000 of these... It is a bad argument. Also, value proposition, UGREEN is charging more money! Agencies also group listings so cost can be reduced. Also, the listing UGREEN has online are not for US standards on TUV, maybe some other agency, there are a lot of agencies now? There are numerous other reasons to have a listed product, having a thick power cord doesn't mean you are safety listed. It is great they do though, they are good for power strips. The shutters on the doors of the outlets are great too. UGREEN is not a bad company, and from what I have seen the power adapters aren't bad. They are doing the same as many other companies though and it is the opposite direction of quality and progress. Like I said, get away with it if you can, and they can.

@@AllThingsOnePlace I don’t think their sales and margins are as high as you think. Also, UL keeps updating certification standards every year which is unnecessary. Every time they do an update, these companies have to recertify. Plus, UL still does not allow two USBC ports under UL 817 which is ridiculous. Companies wanting dual usbc ports and 3 sockets are forced to follow UL1363 which is too overkill. Plus 14AWG cables are just too bulky and excessive. Better to Limit current to 16a with a breaker or OCP and use 16AWG cable.

@@tonysabu109 True on the standards changing, and not for the better in a lot of cases (a standard for loudspeakers has a locked rotor test now, like how did that pass the review process). They wouldn't have to redo every part of the certification though, only what's changed, if even applicable. There are ongoing expenses of course, inspections, etc. The year of the standard changes sometimes but the year of application is not generally immediate. Since it would immediately invalidate every safety certificate every time a new version of the standard is released. But yeah, in general standards don't keep up with applications. I wonder if a more general electrical category, I didn't relook them up, is what Anker or Baseus used to certify their products of this same type. Still no excuses on the USB only adapters...

Oh and also, whenever there is a big change in the standard, companies also have to spend a lot of money in redoing things like tooling, pcb, packaging etc.

@@tonysabu109 So, you're against safety then?

Yeah, I don’t really recommend that one, actually I don’t really recommend many 65w adapters. It is a very popular category though.

Well! So, I've already bought the UGREEN Nexode GaN 65W. I'll try to sell it or at least use it while ordering the 45W version next month. Do you recommend the same brand, or do you have any other references in mind?@@AllThingsOnePlace

Yep, that one will be coming soon.

@@AllThingsOnePlace thabk you will be looking forward to that.

haha, there's always more. Doing all the lower wattage ones today, that one is on the list now though.

Yeah, that's a big stretch of time. Mine still works, but I don't use it a lot. Basically to check something once in a while. If you want more time out of these things reducing power level is important, as they will make less heat.

There are a lot, the Anker 313 is specifically made for Samsung's 45W charging. There are also lots of other protocols.

It won't deliver enough current. The voltage for the Samsung fast charge is 11V but the charger tops out at 3 amps in that mode.

Samsung 45W SFC 2.0 needs 4 amps of current at 11V, this charger caps at 3A in PPS

Yeah, this is a can of worms. I don't bother in newer videos. So, on a one device basis, as the technical standards are laid out, even for a lot of commercial equipment, it's just real power, you don't look at anything else. So, this is all I present now. It's not a complete picture and it's not very useful but it's the way it is written and it isn't going to change. One example is that this is useless for laying out circuits for wire size requirements and breakers... Anyway, one disadvantage is cost, a well designed high power factor circuit is more efficient at your meter versus a non-PFC supply. On a one small device basis, it doesn't matter much, 1%, negligible. But the devices losses don't add, they square when you add more devices or larger devices. So, more and more and more, and it's about 10% extra cost of my total electric bill for my residence, it isn't just USB of course. A non-PFC USB power adapter just adds to that loss figure. Distortion of the waveform can be an issue. At 10% it is considered not important enough to bother. Hence the standards being real power only, also no one wants to analyze combined data, just one device at a time, which makes each device look better. What do you think the threshold of it mattering should be? 50%? or should a non-pfc have a higher efficiency requirement to make up for losses? You can save more by taping ductwork, insulating, and sealing gaps in doors and windows, getting more efficient appliances, etc. so those are the market targets. The channel focuses on the electrical side so it's mentioned just for awareness. I went not math heavy on the answer.

Yeah, it's a proprietary thing. Minimal devices are compatible. In terms of the as small as possible, there's tons of options out there. I tend to shy away from that market as you sacrifice efficiency as a tradeoff for size.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no short term. A 30 watt power adapter will take a long time to recoup efficiency gained cost benefit. In the long run mostly yes. If the adapter can last a reasonable long while, then a more efficient and more expensive unit will pay it's way, as long as it isn't massively overpriced.

yeah if 1kwt price is 0.15$ then 5% difference for 65w adapter will pay itself in around 5 years of constant work(at max) i know it is not that deep anyway and most chargers would not last so long.@@AllThingsOnePlace

It is up to you, it may be the perfect charger for you. For me, I would pick something else but opinions are opinions.

Use only the original charger + cable especially with such an expensive phone.

I added it to the list.

Yeah, I have some smaller UGREEN adapters to do still.

@@AllThingsOnePlace thank you sir

for 45W, PPS up to 11V and at least 5 amps. You also need a 5A, 100W, or 240W, emark USB C to C cable.

So, it is a current limit. For PPS mode fast charging of some devices, they use 11V maximum which means you need just over 4 amps. This device tops out at 3 amps in that mode so doesn't support the full power level in that mode. At 20V it will deliver all 65W no problem. These are variable voltage supplies, where the voltage is controlled by the device plugged in.

@@AllThingsOnePlace Thanks you for claification! I seem to have gotten myself in a rabbit hole with all these power supplies. Never thought there are so many depth to them :D

Sure, that’s a light load condition but no reason they can’t charge 5v only devices.

@@AllThingsOnePlace Thanks good to know

So, PPS mode at 5 amps and at least 11V is required for 45W charging. If they lack that mode it won't go at full speed.

They do only claim lower voltage so I don't think that is a good idea.

haha, I guess so.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I don't see a new version.

In measurement, it is a little better. I'd probably trust the Samsung over the long run though.

Samsung like all companies have enormous money for r&d. Nothing on the aftermarket can compare. Not only are we talking charger longevity but exactly phone longevity. My recommendation is always original for people wanting to keep a device a long time. For people always changing phones and whatever=good aftermarket is ok enough.

Thanks!

Wow, yeah, just looking at that channel a little, they posted 389 videos already and the channel is 1 year old! That has to be a lot of borrowed footage for that many high end devices at that channel age. Thanks again for pointing this out! I think the only way I'd know if from viewers.

Thanks!

Yeah, I think a lot of people bought it, the ad campaign was big. A lot of big youtubers promoted it.

Well, the fun of CE, who knows, self declaration, it's like a self review, do you ever write anything except perfection. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't but the listing company isn't on the box, in the manual, or on the product. You can find the listing reports on the TUV website for some of the products. I think UGREEN is starting to get better with this though.

@@AllThingsOnePlace Just ordered a 100W nexode and they do seem to have the correct marking I expect them to have

I agree with you. I also checked TUV's page to find that these are not included in any of the listings they do have for other devices. TUV lists the standard but I didn't see any country information. Many times UGREEN will have TUV Japan but no US/Canada listing, it isn't identified on the listing page by that category so no idea where they actually applied. I didn't even see the one that said it has TUV Japan on the listing page though so not sure what's going on there.

I think the regular hulk (there’s several versions at this point I’m sure) was pretty floppy as well.

Haha, I'm not sure what the deal is... They have a huge marketing campaign though.

​@@AllThingsOnePlaceYep, they spend loads over at SlickDeals to get their "deals" on the Front Page. This was the route that Anker took but without any semblance of better than average quality.

@@AllThingsOnePlace it needs to be rewritten

Yeah, they way they are going the laptop is going to be lighter than the power adapter.

Currently, my 'best of' is the 30w Nexode charger.

Baseus has some bad products too, but in general I do trust them over UGREEN.