@Scooby yea I'm not saying there aren't ways but for something so integral to the game mode IN MOST CASES it could be argued that it should be a little more readily accessible to the average sweat
@Scooby I would argue that while some choose not to use a looting bag, the majority of UIM use a looting bag to increase their storage capabilities. I think that would be considered integral if the vast majority use it, as the same way HCIM use a 1 click teleport whilst doing pvm, I would consider that integral to the game mode. Idk how much crying you think I'm doing but I can assure you I am
6: Fix the bugged Strange old lockpick (It seems to stay inside the looting bag if you place one inside it) 7: Let people bring pieces of eight into Trouble Brewing so UIM can go for that collection log without pulling their hair out.
These are all way too true. I’ve wanted to commit to playing UIM for so long, but the biggest one for me is the looting bag thing. Having to play LMS to maintain the looting bags just sounds horrible.
Good luck getting these changes done! I just created my first UIM 2-3 weeks ago and am loving it and would love to see these changes. Especially the looting bag and the ornament kit idea. Love those! Nice work
As a ~2100 total UIM, I totally agree with everything in the video. I love the game mode, but there are so many small QoL changes that could go a long way.
End game UIM here.. The game mode is definitely inconsistent, but that is what makes it fun to play (and I think a few things SHOULD be ironed out). Needing to learn strategies/specific mechanics is what keeps it interesting. One of the core principles of the mode that keeps it exciting is strategizing. I think this needs to be preserved at all costs. Anyway, I completely agree to make changes to the Ward death/ornament kit storage. Ward is kind of garbage at least, might as well alch (the upgraded piece) for 3m and just keep shadow and maybe a sang or toxic staff with no offhand. Going to corp for an arcane is just not typically worth the time .That being said, it's still definitely a little screwed up that it's kept on death. Also, I guess it's not my place to say "keep x or y item". Orn kits don't change functionality, they're a great way to show off what you've achieved on the account. Having to drop a fang kit/scythe kit etc is pretty shitty. STASHes... Shesh, that is a can of worms that got opened, but realistically, it should only include what the clue step asks for (I.E. no storable bowfa etc). It's kind of too late to backtrack on this, but for example, Masori mask should NOT count as an Arma helm etc. Leave the current functionality as is going forward. Spice rack... At the end of the day, whatever IDM if we have spice racks or don't, but it just is way too much more effort than just getting the level, spend a few extra hours to unlock it without the hassle. I don't see why it is something that needs to be changed.Just get the level so you don't need to boost it. Buyable looting bags... No. Looting bags are meant to be PVP items. If a UIM wants to gain the benefits (the mode is all about being flexible, thinking out of the box to make things work etc)... They should need to do pvp/wilderness activities. I find LMS reasonable. Also, I think if a UIM wants to use a bag, they need to understand the mechanics of it and risks it involves. It's similar to deathpiling. Pretty safe, just need to understand the specifics. You also seem to have dumbed down getting a bag. You can easily get them at edge skeletons, deadly red spiders.. Thugs... 90% of the time, you can do it without any risk while you're deathpiled with a cheap weapon/wildy sword. There's a method to get bags without even stepping into the wilderness and doing LMS (edge skeles).
I really hate how whenever someone brings up valid problems like this to OSRS reddit, you get chuds in the replies saying things like "Well you chose to stand alone with no bank!"
not a UIM but these all seem like good QoL changes that wouldn’t break the spirit of the game mode. could see you getting pushback on the ornament storage from non-UIMs, but when isn’t that the case? Best of luck getting these things to happen
Would any uim player complain about a dedicated bag item only accessible for the uim mode? I'm not a UIM but an infinitely retreivable bag from an npc for a meta established years ago doesn't seem awful
The biggest issue about using death banks isn't just how sketchy it can be to reobtain a looting bag. The biggest issue in my opinion is that it doesn't. require. your. bank. PIN. All of your stuff is free for the taking.
Very good video analyzing the current issues with UIM. On a seperate note, I'm so glad the 750 total level and 30qp requirement to participate in LMS fixed the bot problem! (This is sarcasm.) - Looking at STASH units, I personally ignore all game mode. I believe that the STASH unit storage should extend to anything that you can use on a particular clue scroll step as that is what they are intended for. I believe it's currently inconsistent?
More ways to obtain looting bags would be nice. It could even be sold by Perdu. It kinda fits with the sorts of things he offers. I'd also love to see a Dramen Staff from Perdu; he already has Lunar Staff for 60K so a similar amount for Dramen doesn’t seem unreasonable and it would benefit non-UIM who happened to lose this as well, which is the whole point of Perdu. I'd also be all for improving storage options with STASH, Spice Rack, and such. TBH, I wouldn't mind if let you store kitted amulets in the Treasure Chest; much like the STASH Units, it is kind of inconsistent which kitted items you can and can't store there. storing a bunch of BiS items may be a bit strong for UIM, but there is little reason why you can store a Dragon scimitar (or) but not an Amulet of fury (or); they are both Elite Clue Kits that work the same. If they are worried about this being too OP for UIMs, they could make it like the Dragon gold-trimmed armour were all of it uses the same space so UIM would need all of them to take it out (i.e., all 3 Zenytes plus Occult in same slot in Master; Berserker Necklace and Fury would be single slots in Hard and Elite respectively).
Perdu could most definitely use a bit of love. The dramen staff as you mentioned, draken's medallion, as well as a few others would be nice additions for everyone
What about introducing the ability to buy Looting bags from Slayer Masters using Slayer points? They could be fairly pricey, but like you said, it would still be better than the current alternative.
Great video! I've been feeling all the anti-qol building up on uim lately myself. The recent ancient staff upgrade being untradeable was so disappointing, it feels like theres no real reason it shouldn't be tradeable. To add more qol I'd like to see, although this is more nitpicky, it's about reclaiming rewards that have been made possible to buy/get more than 1 easily. Such as diary rewards. There is just no quick-buy version, you have to go through the menu of how many you want to buy. Non-uim buy 27 ardy cloaks once, but uim buy one ardy cloaks 27 times. I feel it adds up on the tedious fatigue that I feel shouldnt be there, such as looting bags.
The amount of untradeables that have come into the game recently has definitely been a point of frustration for a lot of UIMs. I think Jagex hasn't given this much consideration because they're likely just unaware of how this impacts ultimates. I'd love to see the quick buy option that you suggested as well!
They were in communications with uims about the shield when it was coming into the game. The ancient staff was strange though. I kinda thought they would make it an actual stash with the attachment. Also the fact that you can only but 1 staff per account just make the first one 80k and then make all the other ones 160k.
I've always felt that having a 3 item PVP death would be really nice on uim, allow us to actually participate in wildly content more than like a d scim, or crossbow. At the moment the risk isn't worth it unless you happen to have items you don't really care for already.
4:25 can confirm. i never even considered playing a UIM before i even knew about the looting bag thing. i still don't understand why people want to punish themselves with this game mode but i guess it makes for interesting content at least
I really like this style of video, it's not just an incoherent ramble vaguely touching on idea and mechanics, you actually lay out and address the core issue and give a well thought and balanced alternative. Also, 6.66k subs, hail satan
Lms even has a fairly steep total level requirement for new players (as a safeguard against bots) so it's even more of an issue for new UIM. Perhaps looting bag should be simply obtainable from an npc in ferox?
I'm in favor just because I dislike chargescape so much. Throw a super steep corruption cost on the armour then allow it to be stored at that point. I like CG, but I know a lot of people don't and would rather not spend their time coming back time and time again, or pickpocketing elves
Only spot UIM's typically keep helm for is for their first inferno kc. No, crystal should remain untradeable. You should need to charge it for the benfits. Also, it's kind of garbo these days. Masori rush is about the same speed (unlock toa vs unlock priff) and it's magnitudes better than crystal (imo) because it's not permanently on you.
you guys are objectively correct, but in my totally subjective opinion, making a recording of my mouse clicking 3 iron rocks 28 times and dropping the 28 ore then repeating it approximately 115,000 times to get 99 mining IS a form of QOL. i have other video games to play and only so much time to play games in the first place! i'd never be able to experience all of the content in OSRS in at all let alone as an ironman if i actually bound myself by the usual restrictions. it is really fascinating to see the mindset and playstyles of people who play ironmen though (especially UIM).
I always was of the controversial opinion that the Ironman Tutor should give out looting bags to UIMs. Buying them at slayer masters is a decent alternative. Giving a player the choice of either risking their entire wealth in wildy or playing a pvp minigame is forcing someone into a pvp scenario and I really dont like that. Not even mentioning you need to be good enough to get a least one kill in LMS to even get one bag.
They truly had to fix a lot of stuff to make the mode even possible in the first place. Back when you could only store outfits if you had the entire outfit, meaning you take out full proselyte and cannot store just the helmet, or you have to get full rogue and full graceful to store them rather then one part at a time etc. But yeah at this point I think they truly need to do something at least for looting bags. Jagex could always says you are not forced to get a looting bag to play an uim too. You are forced to not use banks but the rest of the content you can do. I think if they polled the thing about looting bag it would pass with flying color, same that happened with the death mechanics getting revamped and your stack following you when you die. Imagine doing wildy content, power goes out and there goes one hour and your stuff on the ground disappear. Going in the wildy and being forced to do it is stupid but it is a part of UIM. Some UIM got pked for billions just taking one step out of it. Part of the game but IMO this should be changed.
looting bags are so easy to get already. UIM is supposed to be about figuring out ways around things. ward should be fixed. bowfa should never have been allowed to be stashed as its a completely different item to a crystal bow. spice rack shouldnt be allowed, just get the spices as you need them just like you always have done
Just a regular ironman so I cant speak of your struggles but I do wish as a whole they would make game rules more consistent across the game, which as you say will make the game better. Also, it's hilarious you can't even use a Spice Rack, made me laugh.
I absolutely love the idea of storable ornament kits. Unlike all the other ideas mentioned, storable orn kits are purely cosmetic and don’t provide any utility to the player whatsoever. I can understand both sides to the rest of your ideas, and I’m not sure what the right thing to do would be.
Always nice to see a fellow UIM creator around here :) I appreciate comments like these that show people are giving this thought rather than running with a knee-jerk reaction. You and I are deep into our UIM journeys and wouldn't be the main beneficiaries with most of these points. I think some people outside of the UIM community look at asks like these as selfish requests, but it's quite the opposite: these are for the next UIM generation. I love ultimate ironman. I want this community to grow and thrive. I feel that sometimes elitists members of the community put their own egos and accomplishments above addressing issues with the game mode. I'm a firm believer that it's okay for the next generation of UIMs to not have to suffer just because I did. All of the suggestions I've offered here came from that vein of thinking: keep the core identity of the game mode intact, but also make some improvements that will help accessibility and allow the community to grow. Anyway I'm rambling, but I felt it was worth expressing my motivation here. Thanks for stopping by!
What about allowing untradeables in the looting bag? Especially with the new crystal armour recolors, we're kind of locked out of that fashionscape unless we want to lose 2-3 inv spots now, or have to recolor them every time.
Great video. Only issue i had with it is when you complained about lms. Its literally never been packed with pk bots as long as ive been playing any of the ironman gamemodes. It takes maybe 20 minutes to stack easier 20+ points to use for looting bags.
There is no problem with forcing UIMs to do LMS to safely obtain looting bags. Looting bag originated as a wildy item and even today can only be used in the wildy, it makes sense you get one through PVP. Its only 1 point per bag, which is 10 minutes of LMS at most. OSRS is largely a game about doing chores to make progress, and removing the need to do content just because players hate it doesn't make much sense in this type of game. By this logic, since most ironmen hate doing agility for amylase, Jagex should just make amylase buyable for gp
I'm only like 5 mins in so I'm gonna hear you out, but I'd you want a looting bag then I don't see the problem with just playing lms. It's a wildy item so it follows that you have to engage with pvp activity to acquire. The bots you describe as coded to kill or something is not accurate at all. 3/4 bots suicide 1/4 can be killed by 1 tick rcb from staff. There have only been a handful of god tier bots to exist. Most players are very bad also. I'm saying this as someone who's farmed 1-5 rune pouches a day on average for a long time for fun and easy gp. You can easily stack 100 looting bags in a day as a complete noob. Edit, pts for the bags. Obviously.
The ornament kit case would need the ability to store the mutagens from Zulrah because those are essentially ornament kits as well and they make the Serp untradable once used. The problem is that the mutagens are one time use so not sure really how it could work for UIM.
Recently started UIM myself a couple a months ago and funnily enough had the same thought process regarding looting bags as you. My idea was kinda catered towards benefitting pvpers as well, a one time payment to the emblem trader (1m maybe?) to unlock the ability to buy bags from him for 50k. if you kill someone in the wildy the pker gets the money (like barrows or other untradables already) and makes it simple for uims as well as any other account type wanting to do wildy stuff like slayer or revs
Honestly there should be a storage item storage in the house for empty storage items eg. coal sack, herb sack, seed box, looting bag, rune pouches, heck even the flamtar bag, and that coffin thing from shades of Morton. All items would need to be empty of course to be stored. But why not allow storage for these niche qual items that often take so many hours of time to re-earn that they’re basically unusable on uim unless you just have exorbitant amounts of time to waste. Give us a storage shack to store store items. Please jagex, I beg thee.
I think you should just have a permanent looting bag that you're able to access at various locations throughout the world. Maybe have a Loot Bag Teller that helps you with that. Would fix a lot of problems
Really liked the ornament kit idea. It's not only a problem for UIM but for mains and regular irons as well. The problem being is if you get a torn kit for example, and are early or mid game, it becomes a permanent bank slot space until you kit that area of the game. It's getting punished for doing well?... Shitty mechanic on their part. Spice rack is another great idea as well, I don't get the logic they are using there, you would still have to catch all of them, TP to house, store them, and repeat. That's a hell of a time sink.
Seriously? There's so much fucking bank space that an ornament kit shouldnt even be the least of your worries in the bank..... + you can buy more spaces. Your comment is irrelevant.
@@Nes924 The gp sink of buying bank space shouldn't really just be the end all be all of keeping items. If that was the case then the whole idea of STASH units and even the costume room would just have no reason to exist because the logic would always be that "oh well, go make money for bank space.".... Let us not forget about items that are only obtainable for a limited time such as the silver necklace, all of the golden items from Priest in Peril, etc that people might want to keep.
Prospective UIM player here, how many of these things have changed? I know that Looting Bags were added to the Slayer points shop, but have there been any others?
Most of these have fixed. I'm a few months out of the loop, but AFAIK the ward death behavior still hasn't been corrected and the ornament storage hasn't been implemented (but Jmods mentioned that was something they'd like to explore in the future). Playing a UIM will give you a completely new take on the game. It's a fun time, give it a shot if you're on the fence :)
All things I've been thinking about with plotting my own uim. I love the cosmetic kit box idea, it's similar to what I was considering to fix the issue.
I think it'd be wild if you guys had zero stashes or death piles or any of that. Literally play the game with your bag and that's it. If you get two bandos chest plates, you either drop one, alch it, or drop trade it if you can even do that. that would be brutal
My main uim issue is the ancient staff. You can only buy one after Desert Treasure is done. It is a super important item for any account. it is required for ancient magic if you do not have a master wand. The only 2 ways to get a staff after losing it or dropping it, are from mummies in the DT pyramid which drop it at a stupidly low rate, as well as poison you or throw you out due to traps. The second way is wilderness, which of course for a uim, is almost a no no. it means risking your death bank or a ton of progress. You could argue that sure kodai is storeable, but how many early / mid game uims would have that? And now with secrets of the north and DT2 coming out there are going to be a few upgrades to the staff to make it more useful. I don't see why they cannot let us buy more staffs from the guy in DT for an inflated price, even if it's like 300k or something to not cause a market crash. if they really don't want more staffs in the game, let us store it on an occult altar or something, just anywhere to keep it safe.
I saw someone suggest this on the reddit Q and A thread today (maybe it was you? If so, hi Yoga). I think being able to buy these from a shop after DT2 would be a really nice change! Also could you elaborate on how the kodai is storable? I can't think of where that would be stored
@@ZorteOSRS I'm not yoga :p and people have always told me that the kodai wand is storable inside the magic armour case in the poh, not checked myself though. I do agree that after dt2 that could be a good reward / unlock, even if it's overly priced, it's a safe option
I’d suggest (1) new ways to get looting bags in addition to the LMS system; (2) new master stash units?; (3) definitely fix the TOA bug; (4) definitely somewhere to store ornament kits from ToB
Got Pk’d one time while getting a new looting bag, luckily I deathpiled this particular time in Falador (same as my death spawn) so I didn’t lose anything but if I had my stuff in Hespori I’d have wiped again 😅
It seriously needs to be easier to earn points in LMS. You either luck out, win your first fight and somehow survive to the points threshold or somehow get those kills against the game's biggest sweaties.
Hell even as GIM, I want an NPC that can hold onto my ornament kits that way I can save some juicy bank space and then I can go collect my kit when I've got the item for it.
I never played UIM (only play HC), but could relate to many issues as HCIM mode also has a lot of inconsistencies. Specifically when it comes to death mechanics. For example ToA is inconsistent with the rest of the game and PvM activities except ToB, wherein you lose the status when disconnected / world hopping etc. inside the raid. However, at the same time it is inconsistent with ToB due to the fact that it doesn't only involve combat, but also puzzles. In other words getting a disconnect in ToB means you're in combat anyway, so your character either dies or you teleport out with RoL / defense cape. In ToA, on the other hand, you disconnect and lose status just standing and chilling in a corner of a puzzle room. Feels like there should be some dedicated community manager or targeted surveys so that they can understand these consistency concerns and dedicated communities better.
Really wish we had any reasonable source of looting bags. Even if they kept the tie to PVP, put it in the PVP Arena reward shop too, since that minigame features an MMR intended to give you a more fair fight and reward learning, rather than throw you in too deep every time. A buyable looting bag would be a godsend though. I've been dreading learning some bosses because I only have 5 stored bags in LMS and the new point scoring system really punishes noobs like me. Where I used to get 4 bags from 1 kill, now I just get 1, and getting 1 kill is already hard for me - and it requires skills I have no interest in developing or using, because I don't enjoy PVP.
Really well made video! UIM storage is a tricky topic and I can't come up with a solution. I believe Jagex shouldn't design content specifically to ensure it caters to UIMs. I think it's fine for UIMs to be an after thought as long as necessary changes are made so we aren't compeletely fucked over or can't objectively complete crucial content such as diaries, bosses or obtain skilling outfits etc. However, with new updates bringing new forms of storage for Ultimates, it's hard to come up with a "correct" solution for how UIMs should or shouldn't be able to interact with the new forms of storage because every UIM has their own perception of what it means to be a UIM. Where you draw the line for breaking the spirit of the gamemode for things like the costume room and stash units will always be debatable within the UIM community. It's worth noting that the "I suffered so you have to suffer too" mentality also works the other way too when you consider making something harder. Take a look at the inconsistent dangerous deaths with regular hardcores and group hardcores. Jagex didn't update the dangerous deaths for regular hardcores because it wouldn't be fair to hardcores completing the applicable content in the future such as COX and the Inferno. Sometimes the "I suffered so you have to suffer too" mentality is justified in a game like OSRS where players invest thousands of hours into the game.
I literally didn't know about the ornament kit thing because there's already an example of one that works. The rune scimitar God variants can be stored in the oak chest. I didn't know that the other kits weren't storable.
How about an Ultimate Bag? Works like a looting bag but you don't have to go to the wilderness to store items you got in a team raid (making the whole team wait for you) Can hold untradable items so you can store the ornament kitted items Cannot be banked or withdrawn from. Only way to retrieve bagged items is to die Looting bags can no longer be used by UIM and they have to be bought from the ironman armor giver for some amount of money Maybe all accounts get access to it but they'll complain about not being able to withdraw items from it so maybe not
I don't play UIM but something you said seemed odd to me, you said it's about being creative with solutions. That seems to contradict with you saying they should make the looting bags buyable. I don't have any opinion on it as I don't play the gamemode though so if the community wants it fine by me!
that would be perfect you could literally get the inventory you want anytime you want because the only way to store untradeable is at death storage. If you can simply store them in the looting bag it would be much more flexible.
maybe a bit of a hot take looting bags should be able to hold untradeable items. there really isnt even too many use cases for this, Itd really just be being able to bag say my blowpipe without having to uncharge it or trident with the same thing. i think the biggest use would be crystal armor but honestly seeing how we can already store the bowfa in a stash unit completly by itself its kinda w/e imo also this could be somewhat limited by not being able to store degradeable untradeables like crystal armor. this would also completely fix the orn kit issue
I would love to see a uim qol poll that addresses these points. I've forgotten just how annoying getting lootbags can be and I don't see the harm in bringing them back to slayer shops even at a steep price. The ward is such a flex on a uim and I bet so few have one. It's a shame its STILL bugged months later
One more point, i do feel it will be cool if we could buy back toa jewel from perdu for like 500k because it feels bad to alch it because you want to do other content and now go super dry on it to get it back from toa at a 1/180 and you can still roll on the other jewels.
If you go super dry on it its actually really really bad luck cause its base is 1/180 but your completions increase your odds so youre actually getting a better rate than 1/180 it caps at like 3 times more likely or something like that the info can be found on the wiki also if you get one dont alch it until you get the one you want because you cant get dupes!
Well going through this, I completely agree on the ward and if its a bug/error then it should have been fixed immediately anyway... I love your idea on the ornament kits and think that should get polled with the spice rack. I'm pretty impartial to the looting bags, I'm fine to death pile and kill red spiders but I'm pretty minimalist and don't have many items, tbh even if they were added to slayer shops for 20k, I still probably wouldn't bother using them But the stash units I find a little weird anyway, specifically being able to store upgraded/ornamented items and even the bowfa stash seems kinda weird (although I'll still happily use it if its there) because there are so many exceptions and specific case scenarios
what do you think if krystilia sold looting bags for 15 slayer points each? do you think that proposal could better persuade hahagex to add them in the shop in the first place?
