I've done this course and ridden with these guys on further training and occasionally just for the jollies, and I can't recommend these guys or their training highly enough !
I took this course in 2017 and it's simply awesome. I learned so much and had so much fun doing it too. If you're into riding better, you've gotta sign up!!
I understand that but much of what is taught is really for police and or emergency services use only and doesn't relate to the way in which we as civilians can make use of the roads. Take exceeding the speed limit for an example. They can only do it as and when required to do so but we are limited to the speed limits and any attempt to teach us otherwise can be in itself an offence. Its the same as being in a group ride. If the leader is going too fast and as a result others are also going too fast then the leader could be held responsible for the whole group or any part of it, meaning just one individual that may have broken the law.
That special moment when you finally feel confident to try Position 5 or even 6. You do the mirror check..... and find that the copper you're riding with is (of course) already out there...!!!
He will be as he is taught those positionings as of a norm and if he is looking at what you do he needs to be in a position to actually see both you and what you are doing and the road ahead of you to see that you can see and possibly identify problems ahead that he sees.
At certain times it appeared that some of the motorcyclists were giving too close a following distance to the one in front. At speeds up to the NSL of 60 mph one needs to be at least giving a 2 second gap [ More than by the Police Roadcraft Manual ] but they were only giving some 40 to 60 ft and that is by no means a safe distance to give.
Very good, the ordinary IAM bike course was good, I'd recommend it to anyone. I always wondered what the Talla road would be like going down hill. It was fun enough going up.
Are you meant to swing over the line to see round bends? If you can't see round the bend isn't it better to assume there is oncoming vehicles and ride defensively? I move to the outside of my lane but never over the line even if it looks clear.
Time and a place for it. I occasionally do it to increase my visibility on the approach to specific types of corners, but as said elsewhere, its not something that is really needed at "legal" speeds. I believe both the IAM and Rospa have dropped teaching Offsiding becuase of the potential ramifications of getting wrong.
You pay Road Tax for the WHOLE of the road; not just the left hand lane of it. But never, ever sacrifice SAFETY for anything else. The golden rule: "if you don't know -- don't go!"
Different rules in different countries, here in New Zealand you are not permitted to cross the centreline to improve your view through a corner. The actions demonstrated here would be an instant fail in a test situation and if carried out in front of the police would result in fines and demerits.
There is nowhere in mainland UK where you can legally train to speeds in excess of the legal speed limits, NOWHERE SO ANYONE DOING SO IS COMMITTING AN OFFENCE and would be liable to be prosecution. Further anyone promoting and recommending and or enabling others to exceed the speed limit may also be guilty of an offence and certainly if anything untoward happened as a result of this training. No Training body would accept liability for any wrong doing so the liability would rest firmly on those that trained this sort of adverse and ill advised road practise.
They are both very similar and teach the same principles. Each local club will vary depending how dynamic the members are and how organised they are. The "scoring" system for your tests varies slightly. IAM used to be pass/fail but they then introduced the "Masters" assessment. RoSPA had a gold/silver/bronze ranking. My advice is do both but I think (with no evidence) IAM gives a better discount on your insurance.
@@judgedredd49 correct. IAM is still pass once and you are advanced for life. Not ideal because skills fade. The Masters Test last three years and is "harder" than RoSPA (I'm not sure who decides that) and you have to retest every three years if you wish to maintain that certificate. As you say, it depends on your main reasons for wanting to get your advanced ticket: financial gain (cheaper insurance) or better riding ability. I can't say I noticed much difference between the IAM / RoSPA groups in London.
NOT recommended by all training bodies to USE THE WHOLE OF THE ROAD,. Remember that when the police were first instructed on safer driving and riding if was back in the 1930's and at that time there was no speed limit on country roads so any speed was legal. With greater speed we ned greater vision. However we are now limited to 60 mph on country roads and in some cases far slower to 40 mph. Further more and more importantly there would only be about 2 million vehicles on the roads at that time. both around town and in the Country. On country roads in particular many vehicles would be red tractors and hay wagons with very few cars. So there would actually be little on the roads to say overtake or collide with. So extremely few overtakes and certainly the use of all of the road would have been more tolerated and would have been much safer than in todays traffic as we now have nearly 50 million vehicles on our roads. Can you imagine the carnage if we all started to drive or ride all over the road. On both sides, which according to this video we can. Its not illegal but if doing so and anything untoward happened then you would be liable by being on the wrong side of the road. DONT DO IT. THERE IS NO NEED FOR IT AS A CIVILIAN. Now do't get me wrong its ok for the police to use all of the road and in an emergency but at the speeds that we can now legally do its not as required to use the wrong side for increased vision, If we don't have sufficient forward vision then we merely slow down. Its not as important to use all of the road and staying on our own carriageways would be quite sufficient.
Thought the same; seems they did it just for kicks here - showing principle - despite splendid sight everywhere. The Aussies say: always indicate five secs before actually changing lane - this just to eliminate even an improbable mistake by yourself. Same with not using whole of road, specially with ref to mistakes concerning possible vehicles behind you - eg crutch rockets :)
Agreed. This was before we had any clue hoe to use other music. Thanks for your feedback. Try it with the sound off and your own music in the background ;)
