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UK Crypto Tax Q&A With Leading Cryptocurrency Accountancy Firm, Myna - Introduction, Part 1 

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@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Please let us know in the comments below if you have any questions about UK crypto tax based on this video that we can try to answer, either here or in a future video. Keep an eye out for parts 2 and 3 of the Q&A coming soon!
@ionnanskilliorus6877
@ionnanskilliorus6877 3 месяца назад
Is Yield (including liquidity providing ect) on crypto taxed as income? If it is do you have to pay NI contributions on it as well?
@HaRdCrAsS
@HaRdCrAsS 3 месяца назад
If you know about the Ronin Blockchain (One of the Top in active users). Koinly doesn't support it and I can't workout how to make the csv export file they provide to meet koinly format requirements cause that file is unclear (at least for me). Any idea about this subject? Might be to specific. Thanks
@dineshmistry8902
@dineshmistry8902 Месяц назад
Fantastic... thnx James.... took me this long to catch up on this Tax Series video..... but very important topic for the next few months whilst in bull market 🏆
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 Месяц назад
Glad it was helpful!
@airlinesecret6725
@airlinesecret6725 3 месяца назад
Why is UK pressurising banks to close down Off Ramps, because of this how are we supposed to pay tax if we cant cash in our crypto !
@Marsh1983
@Marsh1983 3 месяца назад
Off ramp to revolut, Monzo ,PayPal ect..
@TheXTed
@TheXTed 3 месяца назад
Thank you James, Jamie and Joe. Great content.
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Thanks, glad it was useful!
@daverichardson6490
@daverichardson6490 3 месяца назад
Interesting that as soon as you dispose/sell your crypto and make a gain (eg sell Crypto within an exchange) that UK HMRC want to be paid in fiat and yet many, many UK banks are making it harder and harder to off-ramp into fiat!!! It would be interesting to know the various methods folk are using for off ramping from crypto into UK fiat £pounds. Mine is currently: Swissborg as the excahnge, sell within there into UK fiat £pounds, transfer to Monzo and then either use Monzo as the holding bank or transferring from Monzo to Natwest. Obviously that could change should either Monzo or Natwest change their minds!!!!
@aries6776
@aries6776 3 месяца назад
Exactly, it will get to a crunch point where someone makes 100x on some MEME coin but has no way to pay the UK tax because they can't convert to FIAT legitimately! EDIT: I'll share my off ramp route. Any exchange (I use about 4 CEXs regularly) > NEXO (change to GBP) > HSBC. But I can also use a credit/debit card from NEXO for all everyday purchases anyway. I'm not affiliated with NEXO in anyway and they've just added a £5 charge for FIAT withdrawals which I'm not happy about but I just use their credit card.
@jakeriley5967
@jakeriley5967 3 месяца назад
i use a similar method, i transfer USDT to Coinbase then exchange USDT to GBP and withdraw to Monzo then transfer to Santander. I bet Monzo have gained a massive amount of customers being one of the only crypto friendly banks. I hope they dont get pressured by the UK government to turn anti crypto.
@Lifeisgood895
@Lifeisgood895 3 месяца назад
Brilliant! Thank you all !
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Thanks for the comment, glad it was useful!
@pleenc30
@pleenc30 3 месяца назад
Utterly spot on and very helpful. Looking forward to the next installment
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Thanks for the comment, glad the video was useful!
@stuartsmith131
@stuartsmith131 3 месяца назад
I've been scammed so many times. Who knows where those coins have ended up. How do you prove that those coins are no longer yours so you do taxed on them?
@derekwhite5090
@derekwhite5090 2 месяца назад
Well, if you ain’t got your crypto, you can’t sell it and incur a taxable event. However, I think you could be saying that the Inland Revenue would ‘see’ the on chain transaction and assume it was you !! The scammers sell your stolen assets but it looks like you could have done it, and now you owe taxes for it. How to prove this wasn’t you - IS A GOOD Question which I hadn’t considered until now. Anyone here got a good answer?
@myna6680
@myna6680 2 месяца назад
Usually via a police report and reporting to Action Fraud can help. You MAY be able to make a negligible value claim as your beneficial ownership of the assets would be zero and therefore a loss may be claimable
@cohibablack
@cohibablack 3 месяца назад
Great video. Look forward to part 2.
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Thanks, glad it was useful!
@stephengale1692
@stephengale1692 3 месяца назад
Hello James . Great content and information , Thank You . Am I correct in thinking that If I sold my sole house in the UK and retired abroad, as long as I resided outside the UK for 5 years and never exceeded 180 days to visit in any tax year I would be exempt from Crypto or specifically Bitcoin CGT if I Transferred from my cold wallet ?
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Hi, thanks for the great question and I'm glad the video was useful! I am actually planning to do a video in the future specifically looking at moving abroad to avoid or reduce crypto taxes, and indeed most taxes.
@stephengale1692
@stephengale1692 3 месяца назад
@@jameskay428 Great James , I look forward to the knowledge . Thanks again
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
It depends on the statutory residency test. We offer a service to help plan for this as it may be fewer than 180 days depending on ties. The first year is certainly likely to be lower as you'd have at least one tie of being resident in the UK for the previous tax year.
@stephengale1692
@stephengale1692 3 месяца назад
@@myna6680 Thanks for the information , my individual circumstances are that I am single , retired and my pension is below £ 12 570 so I m not in any income tax bracket . I read online a while ago that if I sold my sole residence in the UK so provable that I have relocated and not paying council tax or bills here , If I lived outside the UK for 5 years under those terms , I would then be exempt for CGT on selling BTC but could still visit for up to 180 days in any tax year but not exceed that . If I decided to move back at some stage of course I would still have to pay CGT on selling BTC on what may remain . I m not talking about from a HMRC linked exchange , but from a ledger . I expect different laws to play out over time from HMRC to prevent many people choosing to live in more crypto friendly countries and spend their hard hodled BTC etc . Thanks very much
@JonnyRootsDem
@JonnyRootsDem 3 месяца назад
Thank you very much guys, that was so helpful.
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Our pleasure, glad it was useful!
@vthelastrun3290
@vthelastrun3290 3 месяца назад
Thanks for the video
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Our pleasure!
@blazeroe8chesspatzerbarn613
@blazeroe8chesspatzerbarn613 3 месяца назад
Question , If bought one BTC say at 50K and it hit 200K if i then sold 0.25 BTC to recover my initial investment would it be subject to pay capital gains tax
@trispretty
@trispretty 3 месяца назад
I'd guess that it would, because you made profit on that 0.25. Though I'm curious to know what a professional thinks
@ecl6nb
@ecl6nb 3 месяца назад
Yes, the same way that if you bought 100 shares in a company, they quadrupled in value and you then sold 25 of them.
@1jackal1
@1jackal1 3 месяца назад
No, you only pay CGT on profit. You would pay zero tax.
@assassinlegend1800
@assassinlegend1800 3 месяца назад
You only pay tax on what you sell if you sell on profit anything you hold you don’t pay tax on it.
@open_water2411
@open_water2411 3 месяца назад
Yes. You’d have made £37500 profit. You need to take into account your earnings for the year and the £3000 allowance to calculate your CGT.
@kyledanielson4288
@kyledanielson4288 3 месяца назад
Thanks for this, exactly what I was looking for. Submitted the form but there was no place to input referral if you select professional referral, maybe thats the wrong one.
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Thanks, glad it was useful! I have let Myna know that you have enquired and I am sure they will pick this up. If not, we will let you know.
@tokenizegames
@tokenizegames 3 месяца назад
what happen when you buy crypto and 10 years later you leave the uk to go, lets say argentina. assuming you held it for 10 years and when you reach the new country you cash it. what happen?
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
The timeline is almost irrelevant here. If yo dispose of the asset while not UK resident, it may not be taxable in the UK depending on a few factors. We have a specific package for this analysis.
@craigperry5564
@craigperry5564 3 месяца назад
Good video, what happens if you bought crypto while a uk tax resident, then sell it in another country once you have switched your uk tax residency. Portugal in my case where the tax is zero as its classed as cash, not an asset?
@Star-fe4mc
@Star-fe4mc 3 месяца назад
This is on the government website Unfortunately if you bought the crypto in the uk as a resident. You need to pay tax on that crypto still. Then you are a free person. If you don’t pay the tax. You can’t come back in the country or you could be held accountable for that tax bill if they are aware. It used to be after 15 years, then your safe to come back as it gets wrote off. My uncle went to Australia. And came back after 20 years and he is fine. It seems forgotten
@neilbevan6480
@neilbevan6480 3 месяца назад
Its 5 years
@open_water2411
@open_water2411 3 месяца назад
@@Star-fe4mcYou can keep all of the profits if you’ve moved to Portugal but you’d need to stay there for 5 years. (Not financial advice)
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
We have a service for this. But essentially you cannot fall back into the UK tax system for 5 years in most cases.
@marya7057
@marya7057 3 месяца назад
What about if you give money to charities, what happens with the amount of tax you have to pay? Thanks
@assassinlegend1800
@assassinlegend1800 3 месяца назад
I wanted to know that
@aries6776
@aries6776 3 месяца назад
It's exempt when you give to a charity. If I make a million on some shit dog coin I'm giving it to cancer research.
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
Gifts are taxable on the gain/loss regardless. Though the actual amount gifted may entitle you to extended bands and even reinstate personal allowance if it is gift aided. Tricky one.
@jacoslapbass691
@jacoslapbass691 3 месяца назад
So i've made many BTC purchases over the last 2/3 years, and obviously, the value has fluctuated significantly during this period. If I now sell all my BTC and make a profit, how do I know the overall value of what I have sold? My assumption is that one has to calculate the average amount spent on BTC purchases. Any ideas?
@1jackal1
@1jackal1 3 месяца назад
Most crypto exchanges (assuming you've bought on an exchange) with have the option for you to download your transactions in a crv file. You can upload these files onto crypto tax assistance companies software and it will crunch the numbers and spit out what you owe in tax so you can complete your tax return.
@aries6776
@aries6776 3 месяца назад
I have friends who were early adopters before big exchanges were a thing. Let's just say they have no way to accurately pay tax owed.
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
We get this a lot. Bacause everything is on the blockchain, you should be able to obtain the data, use software, reconcile the data and then make the appropriate report. This is exactly what the bulk of our service is as historical reconciliation is necessary for correct current figures.
@jasoncross3513
@jasoncross3513 Месяц назад
I’ve been trying to get an appointment with myna for 2 weeks now without success
@myna6680
@myna6680 Месяц назад
Hi Jason. We've seen the meeting was set up but no one turned up unfortunately. Dani will be in touch asap.
@Planetblue009
@Planetblue009 3 месяца назад
Interesting, thanks. Sorry if this is off topic, but I have a question: I have USDT in my Okx wallet, I want to withdraw it to Binance. But I don’t know how to do this correctly so as not to send them somewhere without a trace.. There is only a phrase for this wallet: head isolate sound end kit industry choice festival limit stable dolphin derive. Can anyone describe how to do this correctly and safely?
@aries6776
@aries6776 3 месяца назад
I love these phishing scams! So entertaining!
@garywedderburn6978
@garywedderburn6978 3 месяца назад
What would be most useful is to understand the more "creative" ways to avoid capital gains.
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
We do offer a fully comprehensive service for tax planning
@ShoaibJedi
@ShoaibJedi 3 месяца назад
Thanks A lot James. Literally cannot appreciate your videos enough. Please May Ask if a person is a day trader making about 10 trades a day in profit wether Spot or Futures regardless, Are they reporting this on daily basis or When exactly they have to report? If someone SWAP a crypto with another crypto in last tax year but did not report and made over a £1000 by swapping but did not Cash Out in bank account, then will there be a penalty now if they report the SWAP now?
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
Good question. 1. It is unlikely your day trading counts as a sole trade. 2. You would report your crypto dealings to HMRc if you a. Have tax to pay or b. have proceeds over £50,000 (£49,200 for 2023 tax year and prior).
@derekwhite5090
@derekwhite5090 2 месяца назад
There is no such thing as swapping your crypto. You SOLD it for another CRYPTO. (In the same way as you SWAP your crypto for FIAT, you didn’t do this you sold it for FIAT) Hence it will be a taxable event. See GOV.UK rules.
@jasoncross3513
@jasoncross3513 Месяц назад
I have just formed a limited company for crypto mining and I’m in the UK 🇬🇧 but have been turned down by 3 banks for a business account any suggestions please.
@Ragz2Richez
@Ragz2Richez 3 месяца назад
Is it possible in the uk to put crypto into a trust?
@aries6776
@aries6776 3 месяца назад
No. We don't even allow ETFs currently. The UK is not crypto-friendly and lagging most of the developed world.
@Revo88888
@Revo88888 3 месяца назад
Question. If i put £10k of my own cash into crypto, and make £20k crypto profit, will that mean i pay CGT on £10k? Thank you
@trauty666
@trauty666 3 месяца назад
Lets assume for example that I purchase 5 ASIC miners and install them abroad somewhere , while still staying here in UK. The asic miners would be my own , but they would be inside large mining storage house with many hundreds more from other people and a service provider would manage my asic miners and electricity for me , I would just pay the setvice fees ( electricity and maintenance of miners + their repairs if needed ) . My question is , would I still be considered as hobby miner or business miner? And my question number 2 , is there really a way hor HMRC to find out about it since all of my mining rewards would come straight my private hardware wallet. ?
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
1. If it is in your personal name and you are UK resident, you are subject to UK tax on your worldwide income perhaps with some double taxation relief if paying taxes elsewhere too. 2.Not enough information here but this is not legal.
@trauty666
@trauty666 3 месяца назад
@@myna6680 thanks very much. Now One more question as I am complete novice when it comes to mining and paying taxes by self assesment. Now I know it will be classified as income tax so I need to know if I can reduce the total tax by deducting my expenses ( cost of purchasing asic miners , their maintenance and electricity , various mining pool fees and other related fees ). ??
@trauty666
@trauty666 2 месяца назад
Will I be abel to deduct my expenses when claculating income tax at the end of financial year? asic miners are VERY expensive and so is the monthly cost of running them. Please
@myna6680
@myna6680 2 месяца назад
@@trauty666 Yes as it sounds like it is wholly and exclusively for business. It may even create a tax deductible loss.
@dsflat6785
@dsflat6785 2 месяца назад
Surely Crypto is gambling, no tax on gambling gains in the UK
@myna6680
@myna6680 2 месяца назад
It is not. Unless you are using crypto in a gambling manner ie BTC is the asset used in a slot machine etc.
@Quant-quoin
@Quant-quoin 3 месяца назад
Hi , thanks for the content , I've only ever bought digital assets and hold on a ledger my question is do I have to pay tax on unrealised profits?
@bardart5253
@bardart5253 3 месяца назад
No, unless you exchange one crypto to another or fiat.
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
Depends if you ever disposed. Proceeds threshold may be breached (I can't remember which video this is explained)
@jakeriley5967
@jakeriley5967 3 месяца назад
i know trading SPOT cryptocurrency falls under the capital gains category but what about trading Perpetual Futures? Is that the same?
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
In most cases yes.
@tihomirivanov7813
@tihomirivanov7813 3 месяца назад
Why i was thinking i have to pay 45% if i make over 100k
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
45% tax is for Additional rate tax payers under the income tax regime. It is 20% maximum for capital gains.
@rallu.zion1
@rallu.zion1 3 месяца назад
Do I even need to report if investment as less than 1000 pounds, and profit made was below 200 pounds for a particular financial year..?..the reason being i invested crypto towards the near end of that financial year.
@1jackal1
@1jackal1 3 месяца назад
If you're in the UK and your profit is 3k or less you don't have to report it to HMRC.
@assassinlegend1800
@assassinlegend1800 3 месяца назад
You’re ok if the profit is 3k or under.
@rallu.zion1
@rallu.zion1 3 месяца назад
Thanks bros.
@jameskay428
@jameskay428 3 месяца назад
Jamie answers this question in part 2.
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
You MIGHT. If you traded it 50 times then the proceeds would be above the threshold. (£50K proceeds) technically. If this is the case, then I would call and ask HMRC as they are unlikely to want a report if this is the only reason you need a tax return. Though technically, it is a requirement to report.
@ecl6nb
@ecl6nb 3 месяца назад
Do banks inform HMRC when money is paid into their account from a crypto exchange?
@AdiPad-
@AdiPad- 3 месяца назад
No, but the exchange will as far as I am aware. Numerous exchanges sent out emails saying that if you were to withdraw more than 5,000 I believe they would notify HMRC
@1jackal1
@1jackal1 3 месяца назад
I think certain amounts like 10k would trigger thresholds for banks to let HMRC know.
@ecl6nb
@ecl6nb 3 месяца назад
Since posting this I have discovered CARF. The crypto asset reporting framework. Google it. At the moment it seems that Exchanges are obliged to tell tax authorities of sales of over 5k on request but after 2027 they will be obliged to let the tax authority in the country in which they operate know of all sales. The tax authorities of all countries signed up to CARF will exchange data.
@myna6680
@myna6680 3 месяца назад
Not yet. But the exchange may be notifying HMRC.
@njuham
@njuham 2 месяца назад
Buy bitcoin, hodl, "never" sell, Bitcoin hits $10mn, move to a nicer tax jurisdiction permanently. Problem solved.
@neilbevan6480
@neilbevan6480 3 месяца назад
Question do the rich pay tax ? When in Rome Do as the Romans Do. The only reason for tax is to keep the working class poor an enslaved an if you think you are not a slave then your a fool .
@aries6776
@aries6776 3 месяца назад
Totally agree. Rishi Sunak paid a lower tax rate (23%) than me last year on an income of 2.2 million. They lowered the capital gains exemption to capture more of us plebs into paying tax but a billionaire would still only pay 20% capital gains. It's an absolute con.
@open_water2411
@open_water2411 3 месяца назад
The rich don’t sell their assets, they borrow against them. Not something us mere mortals can often do.
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