I have a mobile but the problem is we have no reliable signal where I live. Texts can take days to arrive (or never even get sent). OTP's are a nightmare. I don't live in the middle of nowhere but in our county town!
Thank you, the phone companies are not maintaing the landlines so that people will get fed up with poor service and go for the lazy cheaoer option to discriminate against those with gearing issues, anxiety, mental health issues and the vulnerable, elderly and disabled.
Do you think I can use a 2 way radio to soeak to my Dad 400 miles away, what a thoughtless comment. Most of us humans like everyday conversation however suicide will be increased with this rollout of more automation, more passwords, more EARACHE and more mental health problems. Mobile technology is killing people. The truth is the phone companies want to churn out cheap rubbish which will continue to damage brains, hearing and life itself.
It will not do that. There are options to keep analog phones working or to replace the phone which involves providing the equipment to keep the persons phone working.
Ah here we go with this wef nonsense 😂😂 can litteraly get battery backs. No different to plugging in a phone. Theres easy ways around this. We need to move on cant keep living in the past
@@itwoznotme it like base station of your cordless house phone, they don't, inject into the copper line of the telephone wire that comes into your home, (in the phone company, code/standard, there not to pleased if do add your owe power tot here line, they get a bit upset, it a serpent boxes, that you have plug in to you wall power sockets, that box is what plug your talking side of your cordless telephones base station into now? (if your wondering yes, you now have to thing to keep power on 24/7, insted of only one as before, two as it two item, the chances break down fault hiss now doubled too
@@mertonsardeen2242but if its a power cut then no mobile masts would work either? I assume they don’t have their own power source to keep working when there is no power. Its a case of fixing something that isn’t broken, its a reason copper landlines have been around for so long. Of course Openreach are cutting their own nose off, home mobile broadband will start to take over, then you will have less and less need for Openreach at all. Cant imagine wired internet being around much in 10-15 years or even less time, mobile speeds will get faster and will just replace wired connection altogether. Its not quite there yet for many, but the idea of being able to move home mobile broadband around from place to place without being locked to one place is quite appealing. Wired connections are just not going to have any major advantage over mobile to keep people using them, especially as both will generally have the same disadvantage of not working when there are powercuts.
@@Xenon777_ My elderly mother tried using a mobile but simply couldn't understand how to use it. We tried but you have to remember the elderly are used to picking up a receiver without having to work out what button to press!
Well, phone calls already go through the Internet the green boxes on the side of the road have the Internet infrastructure in and then also take the phone calls to put over the Internet. There aren’t really centralised exchanges too much anymore so most of the exchanging and telephone switching happens on the Internet anyway.
Soooo what will pensioners do, no computers, no mobiles not good with technology…l really despair at these changes, l have a Son who guided me through the tech but many don’t have relatives that can help …
As a pensioner myself, I was using a computer at work since the mid nineties, I was in a mechanical maintenance role at the time and Windows 3 dot whatever and floppy discs were all the rage, until win95 came out, most colleagues, including blue collar, were tech savvy and not forgetting mobile phones and smartphones, mini computers really have been commonplace for 25 years, so most pensioners today do not struggle that much with the tech. The real issue is power outages and cyber crime, scammers are having it easy as many are gullible and will believe anything, just consider, many still believe what they are bombarded with on MSM and social media and then there is politicians diatribe
Jack it hasn't been well publicised at all. It has been promoted by phone companies lying to us and misleading the vast majority of the public. Glad to hear you know everything.
Virgin already have, and when broadband goes down so does the landline. I know, I have been without my landline four times now in 12 months. I am classed as a vulnerable pensioner and the back up does not work. This guy is a numpty and has no idea what he is talking about..
Battery back up devices should work they don’t just randomly fail. There must be some kind of issue here but random issues are code of the landline network a lot more.
This is to our advantage. It means the UK Internet infrastructure is world leading in terms of speed it up there with some of the best systems. It is going to be so modern and future proof. This is definitely your advantage in that say 50 years copper lines would not be able to cope the UK will be able to cope for a lot longer.
The cell towers also need power, rural one near me fails 6hrs into power outage. There will be extended power cuts. And at that point no calls to anyone. Unless you have a generator of some description.
BT won't remove a copper line without installing a replacement fibre one. BT are currently installing the Connectorised Block Terminals for FTTH on the poles in our street but the old copper lines still work.
Not necessarily, I can’t divulge a lot of information, but all I can say is they have had systems for monitoring landline for a while 😅 on the green cabinets for open reach the broadband and telephone signals are all sent over the Internet then and all the exchanging happens on the Internet currently so the spying part would already be happening if you really want secure and communication and landline is not the way to go
This changeover is needed to modernise the country. The phones will still working in emergency because they can provide battery back up equipment or you can purchase it. It’s very dependent on the situation though if you think this is legitimately dangerous I hope you don’t drive a car or anything because that is more dangerous.
@@UKsystems You have more faith in it than I do. Cars in general are safe at the point of need - no emergency has happened. It is more lifethreatening to have no communication system after the emergency has already occured. The copper system is more durable and reliable. End of. It's lasted over 100 years to prove it.
@@UKsystems Drivers don't tend to be the most vulnerable that need the system. The system powers things like emergency lift communications, lifelines and things where the power is cut off. When the emergency system itself needs power, surely you can see why it's dangerous?
Robs people of a backup system. How many times do we suffer digital meltdowns; more than you think. Putting all your eggs into one basket springs to mind.
Relying on the Internet seems madness to me. Goes down every now & again. A separate network prevents this, all eggs in one basket, risk. Edit: on top of which, why should everyone have to fork out for broadband that they don't want (and may not be able to afford) when there is a working BT telephone network it seems they're going to rip out ? Seems like citizen manipulation by uncaring commercial companies.
You understand that currently your internet comes down the same wire as the phone signal? If you know this, then you are capable of understanding that different systems can use the same physical medium. The new system will be the same. A box is installed which provides a telephone socket which if you pay your phone bill you can use a telephone to call people. The box also has an ethernet port which can be connected to a broadband router, if you pay an ISP for internet then you are able to use the internet. These are entirely separate systems using the same fibre medium, internet does not require phone, and phone does not require an internet provider. The issue with your internet 'goes down' depends on what causes it. Desyncs happen on ADSL/ADSL2 a lot as they are susceptible to electrical noise along the length of the phone cable. VDSL (fibre to cabinet) is much more common and desyncs should be much less common unless your ISP is trying to push higher speeds through the lines than they can reliably handle. If you live a long way from the cabinet VDSL can be as bad as ADSL. The xDSL issue is fixed with fibre as you *should* get a rock solid 1gbps optical connection directly to the exchange. So you should be happy about the change over to full fibre.
@@kal9001 That all sounds fine, except that there is already admitted to that existing systems that presently monitor the vulnerable will fail without the normal telephone network. In any case even if that is solved when only having the Internet connection it still will depend on how the Net fails to your router. It nothing gets through that has to have an effect on calls too. Experience so far tells us that loss of the Internet occurs much more often than telephone outages.
You do not understand this calls already go through the Internet the green cabinets where all the cabling goes into for phone networks that only interface out of them apart from the phone lines to houses is a single fibre optic cable. The new network is going to be much more redundant so you can cut the cable and it should still work depending on what one you cut and it’s already going through the Internet so can you bring up legitimate risks? calls us a very low data amount so if you want just the landline they will be able to enable a very small data amount on that connection which is just enough for a landline so you would not pay for broadband
@@WideCuriosity nope the telephone collection on these boxes simulate a copper phone line entirely the only way to know about that it isn’t a copper phone line is potentially some of the BT diagnostics numbers or something along those lines which equipment is not allowed to use only engineers
All very well and good but it's going to cause problems with lose of power loss of Internet. Silly idea unless there is a backup plan. And then you have network speed/bandwidth.
@nickc9793 Maybe that is the plan. Control. You will own nothing and be happy. They will have total control over you even shutting down your phone and internet access.
The only phones which would traditionally work in a power cut are the very basic handsets which don't require an external power supply. Even then, back-up batteries which the landline system would run on may only last about 1 hour. We have had power cuts here which have lasted 2 or 3 hours so we would've been cut off anyway.
Virgin are not interested in helping the elderly. My MP tried three times to get some answers from them but to no avail. I live in a black spot for mobile phones so, if my internet is down I cannot call for help on my mobile which I CAN use once I’m out of the area where I live. Three different Virgin engineers came to my house and each installed an emergency phone (these phones allow you to call the three emergency services). None of them worked. The last one was left in the bedroom in the hope of a signal - not much help in the event of a fall downstairs. They work on SIM cards which, of course, do not work in my house! As you say, the ‘button’ emergency system is still work in progress. Most of the elderly prefer to stay in their own homes which is possible if help is at hand. One wonders whether more will be forced to go into care homes as a result of this change. Three weeks ago, the Virgin network here was down for 6 hours for maintenance. They do not inspire me with confidence. To add insult to injury, my bill is doubling this year!
Switch providers, you don't need to pay double when you're out of contract. Or if switching worries you, just simply contact Virgin and demand a lower bill with the suggestion that you are thinking of switching. I personally recommend Sky, they've been pretty good so far for me.
So there is no reason to keep the landline standing charge ! Because if it's a broadband connection you are already paying for it with your broadband package !
Assuming you have fibre broadband you can already drop the standing charge for the phone and pay your broadband provider a couple of quid for VoIP service. Not sure if you can keep the same phone no though.
It’s already goes through the Internet at the green cabinets where telephone wires are converted to fibre optic and go through the Internet. There is not much of a change here. It’s just the fact that the copper cable is being removed for the last mile so it’s just really making the system a lot more stable.
So if you don’t have fibre, and still on copper cable for internet use , how does that work then? They sent me a wireless phone, doesn’t plug into the modem, just into your electric wall plug, but every time I pick mine up from its base, it flashes searching for base even tho your right next to the base station, I’m going to plug my old one back in.
Why do you want to prevent a modern communication network? It holds a country back in terms of development this new system also has the possibility to lower Internet prices as fibre networks have generally a lot less weird faults and errors than copper
It's not that I was commenting on upgrading the systems, I was commenting on the P*ss-poor rollout of the upgrade. It's just that this country can NEVER do anything the easy (for the customer) way, they always do it the '(Short Term) Easy for the company' way, then make a rod for their own backs down the line, which costs them more money to repair everything.
As a resident of the remote Scottish highlands we struggle very badly for mobile network signals, many areas simply don’t receive any signal whatsoever, even the landline is very hit and miss as it hasn’t been properly maintained for many many years, it would cost BT more than they’re willing to invest into digging up and replacing miles of old degraded cable, as a result our BT landline and wi-if regularly goes down, leaving us completely cut off from the outside world, perhaps these companies should consider remote areas before pulling the plug, we aren’t all in well connected cities!
@@My_Name_Is_Brian we do, but it’s via copper cable, and when that goes down, as happens regularly as there’s a fault BT have refused to address for the last seven years, we have no mobile network, I have to drive several miles to the village to pick up emails/messages etc.
@@westhighlandtraditionalarcher This'll be a boon to you then, high bandwidth fibre replacing low bandwidth copper using the same poles and conduits. Better buy a battery backup though.
@@andyalder7910 theoretically yes, but in reality the likelihood of them digging up hundreds of miles of antiquated copper cable and replacing it with fibre optic cable in areas as remote as many highland communities is slim to none, there’s certainly no sign of it happening here, we’ve been battling with BT for years, and nothing is ever resolved, we currently have an upload speed of 0.33 mbps, and that’s pretty good for us, when it’s actually working.
@@My_Name_Is_Brian You are missing the point I think, not sure why. There are areas where coverage is non existent or poor. But the costs of broadband are high. Mobile phone coverage is even worse, and there are no plans to extend the radio network.
Even though not correct. But can that not do this with your mobile phone. How many criminals have been sent down because of the tracking and messages sent via your mobile phone………
Festival calls are already rooted and exchanged in the Internet for analog phone lines but the conversion happens at exchanges and tracking a monitoring could already happen on landlines as there are widespread companies who are multi billion pound international companies that specialise in landline monitoring so I’m sure governments would have bought some stuff from them
All the devices that run the old copper system are being switched off. Everything will run through the same core routers as your data services, just on a separate logic channel. Then why are we still paying the same?? Part of any service bill is for the maintenance and upkeep of the system. Now we are paying twice for the same devices and cables. VoIP and data are the same thing. We are being made to pay twice. RIP OFF telecoms companies.
Not necessarily you’re paying the same because it’s already been white blinds in terms of exchanging the green cabinets where phone lines are provided from already send all the data to the Internet over fiber
I love my landline I want to keep it. The same government that told us vaping was better than cigarettes lol VOIP is shit lol if your network provider in your area is shit.
You can keep your landline but it’s not going to work because the cabling is so old and broken. It’s going to cost more to replace it then to put fibre optic in the way it works is you’ll have a box where a router can be plugged in the fibre plugged in and you can plug a phone in so it will not use your Internet company if you don’t want to, it will be a lot better than the current system for Internet and calls will also be potentially better
It already goes through the Internet telephone cables are brought on poles or underground to a near to you green company. They are then sent over fibre to the Internet. That is how the current system has worked since the early 2000 in this case the last mile of copper is just being removed so the system has not fundamentally changed.
Hmmm deeply suspicion about all of this give the current climate. What happens if the power goes down? The wifi goes down? Don’t want wifi like mum, who doesn’t the internet in her home.
This doesn’t need mobile signal they’re turning off the analog phone network because they’re replacing it. They’re installing new fibre optic lines. They plant the bury them as much as they can so they’re very protected. I guess a lot of rural Ari may still have them overhead especially if it goes over fields or something, but they’re replacing the lines with fibre not just turning them off
@@My_Name_Is_Brian Try explaining what a router is to 100-year-old let alone say how they will have to have broadband installed even though they don't even understand what is meant by the internet.
Engineers are still needed to fix the network with this new technology. They’ve just realise that the ancient copper cabling from the 60s that is starting to break needs fixing
Virgin switched me about a month ago, they had problems with the internet and i lost my phone.. So couldn't make any calls for hours, could not even phone virgin to report my internet was down.
That's probably one of the operator-desired _„Features“_ of this new system: You can't call up to complain that your broadband is down if your broadband is down... 😉
That is a bit of a problem for them. This is open route network which is being replaced because BT calls already go through the Internet for most of them.
The dslam unit that are connected to all phone lines that manage Internet send all calls and Internet data over the Internet anyway in exchanges or green cabinets in this case it’s better to have an individual unit in your house to send it over fibre because these units are quite unreliable and so are the copper cables which do need fixing
Between exchanges and open reach cabinets the Internet is already used so they would already have the systems in use but if you really care about privacy a landline probably would not be the way of communicating that I would choose
Calls already go over the Internet at the green cabinets they sent over a fibre optic connection and they could already track things. You can’t simply trace the call you were just use caller ID to know what the number is that could then be entered into a separate system, but it’s not like a Hollywood spy movie that technology just doesn’t work that way.
@@carlstewart8787 first of all this is not the case battery backups are provided for free if someone doesn’t have a mobile phone but if they have a mobile phone, they could choose to purchase one or not
Oh, they would have to change is letting someone in their house to install the equipment to keep their phone working. It’s that simple they don’t need to change much. They just need to install the conversion equipment so the line will work.
BT do not operate the network they still would lease the lines from open reach so BT could continue an analog phone service but open reach would replace the equipment and install the new stuff in your house regardless of what BT want
Then they’ll still have her phone because this is not taking away landline it’s replacing them. A piece of equipment will be installed and engineer will help and plug the phone into it. It will still work just with the new system because the copper cables have to be replaced with new technology, and if someone is too disabled to even assist the engineer by telling them where they want it, they will have special accommodations and help planned out
VOIP: what a neat way to build a voice recording bank to... Maybe... Train an AI to forge compromising calls for political opponents or other undesirables...
Don’t you realise that they could monitor the analog phone network easily without detection by literally clipping two wires onto a phone or using special engineers telephones in a cabinet? This way there would be actual evidence of their recording, but it’s already routed through the Internet.
Yea this is already a thing in Canada. There are zero options for normal phone lines. Now if the power or internet goes out you can’t do squat. No tv, internet or phone. Just communications blackout.
There are lots of options you just say they are non-because you can’t be bothered to get any options back back up equipment could be installed by you for your end very cheaply as the rest of the network is power redundant
It’s already goes through the Internet between green cabinets and exchanges and exchanges and each other it’s already dependent on it entirely. Copper lines are not stable about 30% of them at the moment. Do not meet the standard insulation resistance which is required for a clear phone call so the lines are shorting but not a dead short so the quality is severely degraded, these lines are on the place where it all cost so much more to replace them
Please note that calls already goes through the Internet between exchanges and between open reach cabinets it is not a big change. It’s just where this is happening that’s changing.
Surveillance state stuff. I noticed they recently switched from the older 'analogue' to digital for normal voice calls. The government is breaking article 8 of the ECHR intercepting 'private' 'correspondence' so it stands to reason. Yousaf will be listening.
Evidence? Facts? It would need A/D convertors on homes/premises to achieve that. There have been A/D convertors to multiplex calls at a trunk level for years.
it's a fallacy to believe there is a copper phone network, it's just copper endpoints. on a PSTN copper line, it's only analogue to the exchange, then it's converted to digital. Back in the very late 80's, BT started digitising exchanges and linking exchanges up via fibre optic, it was all part of replacing their copper backbone network with fibre optic, that was completed a long time ago, rural areas remained copper. Any calls you make are only analogue to the exchange, converted to digital and then carried via fibre to the destination exchange and then converted back to analogue. With the advent of the internet, they discovered how to send large amounts of data via copper cable, thus ADSL was born. All copper end points are being changed to data only lines, until fibre replaces them.
The problem with this video is it's lack of informational depth. Firstly the telephone exchange equipment that BT use ( system X & system Y ) are end of life! They have been in use nearly 40 years and there are basically no spares for them. So as BT digitises an exchange they recover the old exchange equipment and it goes to a spare parts facility, so they can maintain the remaining non digital exchanges. Now with the old copper landlines, the reason they continued to work after a power cut is because each exchange had it's own diesel generator back up and battery back up. I am an ex BT engineer, so I know my way around the BT network. I could write a long essay on this subject , suffice to say that this is going to happen and we are going to have to adjust how use the telephone network and our expectations of it.
I once was a software tester and I came away with the idea, the crazy idea, that a replacement system should actually replace the functions of the old system where said functions are in use. Thus the new system must be able to make calls in a power cut for all users. Buuuut, BT thought they could get away with ignoring that and saving some money by implementing a system that barely works. Till Ofcom reminded them that they are regulated so must fix the issue. Then they managed to get away with just having a battery backup for "vulnerable" people. Probably that will only be available till the oldies die as they will assume that people like me who have a degree in IT will use a mobile phone when I'm 88. Well I have no idea, I might lose most of my faculties and barely understand a touchscreen. If I had designed this I would have kept all core functionality intact. This new system is designed to let old engineers retire and not be replaced, to forget the old training and thus do most of the maintenance from a keyboard. Cost cutting, job losing money making basically. Give it another 20 years, which is what most people think is a long time these days and the fibre system will be ripped out and cost reduced again for the same reasons. Mark my words. I'm glad I still have a CB
I don't know about System Y, but wasn't System X resilient to the point it could potentially operate for a century if it had to? 🫖🇬🇧🤔 (I mean: Openreach still have a few exchanges running on System U/SxS equipment, and if Bell/ATTs experience is anything to go on that stuff could outlast the Earth!)
I’m glad you wrote this as I was about to. Most of the care alarm companies are aware of the upcoming changes and are doing what they need to do to make their products work. I also work for a large telecommunications company and I know there are things in place to keep certain aspects of the service active in the case of a power cut or BB outage like mobile sim backup and before anyone says I don’t get good mobile coverage in my area then I’m sure you copper phone line isn’t that good anyway and doesn’t work all the time anyway so your not loosing anything. People are also blaming this on fibre optics being brought in, it is not that as you can run VoIP on copper lines. Unfortunately the copper lines are degrading in such a way that they are not going to replace them with cooper but upgrade as they need replacing.
This can't be allowed to happen. There are far too many remote areas out in the countryside of England, Scotland and Wales and even some islands which still don't even have broadband access. The phone line network MUST stay up regardless of what these companies want for themselves. If they wont comply then it's on the Government to issue massive fines and force them into compliance.
The phones are staying up they’re replacing the cabling with fibreoptic it can transmit Internet data but they will provide you a little box to plug into the fibre optic that will give you phone that will give you Internet or whatever you’re paying for quite simply if you do not want to replace this cabling, the phone lines are going to fail. They are so old and need replacement to stay working. They are simply replacing the medium of cable from copper to light, the data over it is Internet data but you can convert a landline phone to work with this. They will help you with this and do it.
It definitely definitely can with battery back up units and there are some conditions they will provide them. If not you could purchase a cheap one that will last with replacement batteries occasionally.
It was consulted on by the Conservatives' new _„If we want it to happen we can ,deem' that the British public support it“_ policy, which is intended to save public funds by avoiding „unnecessary“ (Or rather; „inconvenient“) referenda... 🇬🇧🛂🗳🤔
Quite honestly if you want the phone network you still work copper lines are not the way to do it. They are starting to degrade massively and it’s going to cost trillions in the copper alone let alone the labour and everything else to replace them. The phones will still work with an adapter box if you would like to use the landline they are just replacing them with five rocket cabling which is much more future proof, option is if you do not like the new technology to not have a phone
@@UKsystems My question was about the consultation not the details of the change. This is a massive infrastructure change to a system that has been in place, and a mainstay of our society, for well over a hundred years now. The purpose of a public consultation is to make sure the public are clearly informed about suggested or planned changes and that everyone has a chance to voice their concerns in good time, so that issues can be addressed and mitigation measures can be put in place at the planning stage.
When I watched the Day After Tomorrow one of the lines that stood out was using a landline did not need electricity, so contact was possible. Now, that is ending, as if the electricity goes out landlines connected to broadband do not work, so how can you contact to say that the electricity is out. Ok, you may be able to use your mobile/smart phone, but after a while even they need electricity to recharge. And yes there have been times when areas have had electricity lines badly damaged and people have been without electricity for a few days. Bottom line, hope that you are never in an emergency, as you will lose the ability to communicate from home.
Also when the power is out and it affects the cell tower, well unless it has a generator, you lose mobile signal too. Some might have batteries that will give you mobile signal for a few hours.
They are going to replace the cabling as that’s what’s happening in countrywide they’re changing out the copper for fibre optic and you have a little box at the end that a rude can be plugged into or a phone depending on what you pay for or both
So the landline goes, and the internet takes over, I bet they still Charge you for calls, and the old line rental, when your already paying for the internet anyway. They know full well,when the internet goes down you lose everything, another nail in the coffin, for pensioners
Calls already are routed through the Internet between exchanges or parts of exchanges so that argument is quite redundant but pensioners will still be able to have access and you will still be able to just have a landline. They’ll just give you a converter box
It is a bad idea, mine has been gone for over 8 years (I'm in Australia). These copper networks should be kept and maintained but governments everywhere are getting rid of the infrastructure. He did not tell you though that digital networks are easier to gain access to, thus making it possible to record your personal information. This digital network are just what hackers and scammers want. Notice how we are never asked if we wish to use a new technology - it is always forced upon us.
You are very misinformed most countries from about 2000 have been sending calls over the Internet in the UK. Some lines go to exchanges and they have digital infrastructure and so do most roads with a cabinet where the wires go to they send all the calls over fibre optictechnology to the Internet for exchanging in most cases this is just cutting out the last mile of copper because the copper cables are so old and the issue is is going to cost so much to replace the copper wires and they are not good for future proofing so the government could replace the copper cabling but they’re not going to be suitable in five or 10 years because of the Internet speed we need as a society
If you get broadband then yes, you will as you use the landline for that. What you might be thinking of is the voice service, which you will still pay for as it's a service.
Set an Internet companies will provide a landline for free with a certain amount of minutes and charge you if you go over because it’s at virtually zero cost for them now and they hope you use it and pay the cost of it for going over the allocated amount, but generally they don’t make you pay a landline fee
so what about people with next to no internet or no phone signal especially up north? or is the north being abandonned again. some businesses here have only recently gotten internet and card payments over the copper wires, fibre is years away still.
Every phone line will be replaced with fibre optic cabling so you actually have good Internet in those areas. This expansion of fibre network will also allow more phone masks to be connected easily. The fibre is going to replace all these cables eventually
No, there are definitely options to provide landlines without broadband however those services involve providing a very slow speed of broadband and a converter box. Each may not be accessible to the customer if they only pay for phone.
Great. I live in a very rural area and I have crap Internet and no mobile signal at all. Added to that very frequent power cuts during winter which can last a couple of days. I guess I need to go back to carrier pigeon and hope I dont have an emergency.
They’re going to fix the Internet by replacing all the wires with fibre optic that are much better as they do the grave resistance but far less than signals over copper lines in certain cases help provide battery back up at your end which I believe in areas as high amount of power cuts they may be able to if you qualify if not you can purchase back up equipment very cheaply
It already goes through the Internet the way the analog phone network works between different exchanges. You can have a small back back of unit and it will keep working in a power cut because everything else in the system has battery back up.
"What's the Problem?"...ooh that's easy POWER CUTS...we lost power for two days not so long ago and the phone was the only way to get info from the power companies...this other method...it's going to not end well...
Relies on reliable broadband and no power cuts or a good mobile signal if either of these happen. Not thought through enough and this linked to no consideration for customer needs. Not good!
There’s not been enough thought on your half. You can have a battery back up unit provided under some instances. If not you could go out and purchase one. It already goes through the Internet so this is making it more reliable as the last mile copper section of the phone lines, has a very very high percentage but quite often it’s just a degraded signal and they fix it without you even knowing
My friend has been months getting her landline changed over by BT. They make an appointment for a technician to call, then don't turn up. Last time they said there was a problem in the area, she's not heard from them since.
BT will automatically pay you compensation for any missed appointments. I know because it happened to me. Check out their website and put in a complaint.
BT do not operate the network open route do they make the appointments and they don’t even call themselves? BT but if that has been something like damage to the network they do have to prioritise that.
The network should be sold of as going concern not destroyed. This is corporate vandalism as BT does not want to run ity and does not want competition from it if sold off. BT wants its monopoly.
You are very mislead. BT does not own the network open reach does and anyone can Lisa connection from them. If you wanna become an Internet connection you can get them to connect your customers. The old network is degraded. So many phone lines are being replaced because they’re failing they’re replacing it with fibre optic so it continues so working, you could buy the copper network but it’s about £7 trillion in copper alone replacing all of the copper lines for fibre optic or cost about 3 billion so if you think about it, you would not want to buy the copper network that is unreliable and in need of such an overhaul which is currently happening
@@UKsystems Open reach is part of BT. Just like the Police, the Judiciary and BBC are part of the government and are suppose to be independent. How independent are they?
Actually, the power supply uses more charging the capacitors inside when it’s first plugged in then it does all day so if you keep plugging and unplugging it it’s going to be worse you could probably power it from my battery and a very small solar panel if you actually wanted to not pay the electricity cost for under £50
It's due an overhaul but instead of recruiting new engineers and commissioning new parts to do the overhaul the cheaper option is to retire the old engineers and lay down a lower maintenance and cheaper alternative.
They are not just turning off phones willy-nilly they are switching to a new system in case you don’t know switching into a new system means changing over the customers to it they will still have the service just provided slightly differently
It already goes through the Internet between green cabinets and exchange buildings and each other they could already monitor it and actually analog lines are easy to snoop on without detection
There was once a regulatory ban to solely having a cordless ‘phone at your domicile. You needed a separate copper landline, as back up, because of the tech’s unrealiabity when it came to ringing 999 for the emergency services. I live and work in a gigabit fibre norm part of the centre of London, despite this my broadband gets outages up to three times every day. This cost cutting measure will be a life cutting measure, specifically for the old for whom our having tolerated insane pandemic policies to keep the alive, will drop like flies because of this rubbish. To call an ambulance you are supposed to be able to ring a simple number, not reliant on your mobile battery charge. Neither are most ordinary people fit, during a life threatening emergency, when some monster is breaking into their home at 3am, or capable, of spending five minutes resetting their router, only to then be told to raise a technical support message maybe answered within 48hrs.
It will not kill people potentially your Internet going out three times a day is an issue with your equipment and it needs reporting back back up. Equipment can be installed your info as a power cut but also going at three times a day would definitely be a priority and requiring emergency response.
Century old yes but it worked. Power outages are commonplace here in Scotland so what happens then? Rhetorical question.... If BT want to buy me an IPhone 15 I will be happy with that and use apps as the day is long. No chance of that happening anytime soon.
Battery backup equipment can be provided for free for qualifying people or it can be purchased very cheaply copies don’t just work. They actually have quite a high failure rate and a lot of the wires are so degraded hence the replacement.
And even where it is, it's awfully costly. I'm disabled so have a very low income and have to use mobile internet as *any* form of broadband costs more than I can afford. 💸 The only „Fibre“ I'll ever be able to afford is a carton of bran flakes. 🚽
@@dieseldragon6756 this fibre Internet will mean it’s more affordable because it’s cheaper to operate. There’s also more government subsidies for people on different forms of benefits and disability allowances.
However, generally your broadband goes down your phone will go down anyway because it’s on the same wire with the fibre. It’s just changing what it goes over to something far more reliable and battery back up is integrated.
@@UKsystems This, admittedly, is one advantage I have with using a mi-fi; If the local power/internet goes down mine stays up for as long as the battery has charge, and the same applies to my radio (Which I run via a power bank) as well. Last time we had a power cut, I didn't even notice until I tried making a brew! ⚡🫖😁
People going on about old people in here when this country is terrible with looking after older people anyways. Most people just chuck them in a old peoples home
I don't believe it for a second that "there are no parts". It's for the following reasons: 1. Training new engineers on the old tech is somehow hard, so they'll rather not do it. 2. With a VOIP system you need far fewer engineers! So you save money by not recruiting replacements for the ones entering retirement. 3. The old system is old and does need more work to keep it running, so instead of commissioning parts manufacturing and recruiting new engineers you use the existing engineers to lay the new lower maintenance replacement that only replaces some of the old systems functionality.
You really can’t buy old phone exchange parts without spending thousands and if it’s for repairing one line that seems a little bit outrageous they are though mainly an Internet basic exchange system where they convert it to the Internet in the exchanges now but that equipment from Huawei which is known for spyware recently so they probably want to avoid itcosts about £1 million
Careline don’t work if you have no internet unless they are going to supply a free all network mobile backup device people will die at some point as they will not be able to summon help
The devil is as always in the detail. . How will they service emergency phones in remote locations which are powered by the phone line? Emergency phones in lifts which will not work if the building loses power. . Burglar Alarm lines and Telemetry circuits for monitoring and controlling remote utility equipment,. Remote dwellings and commercial buildings ? The copper network will be around for a while yet but as the networks transfer to total fibre it will mean when there is physical damage the failure will affect far more people. When the Exchanges are no longer needed and all is through Data Centres then equipment failures will impact millions. What happened to the USO "Universal Service Obligation " Have Ofcom agreed for the Telcos to refuse to continue service to premises they are already serving purely on cost grounds to go fibre.
There are pieces of equipment that can connect to the fibre optic line and provide you a analog phone connection with back back up building our standard because I hope you didn’t think you’re just plugging fibreoptic into a phone that is not really how it works when they replaced the network there was a lot of considerationand things like alarm circuits and stuff like that have the problem solved because they just plug into the box with the phone cable
@@UKsystems The point is that a lot of remote emergency locations work on the exchange battery provided by the line and are in exposed locations. Its the power supply which even with modern green solutions is going to be the problem. Instead of a small weather proof phone box on a stick you are looking at equipment cabs and power infrastructure all of which will need looking after. Follow the money or lack of it.
They’re replacing the lines with fibre optic and getting rid of the copper lines but they can also introduce new standards which are far more reliable over the copper line that handle small faults a lot better whilst they’re waiting for a replacement
The copper line is far better quality. It is also far more reliable. Power outages do not affect the copper line as there are back up generators at the exchanges. Nothing repeat nothing can beat the copper line. I have a copper line to our local exchange and also have very fast broadband through the copper line. Wi-Fi throughout my house means I have all the facilities I need. I am going to cling on to my copper line as long as possible or until I see something better, which there is nothing better at the present time. I suspect the wolves are looking at all that copper that can be got from the BT underground cables. Remember once gone never to be got back. No doubt there will be incentives on offer to ditch that copper wire coming into your house soon. One of the tricks up their sleeve is to cause the master socket to fail by simply applying a voltage that can cause it to fail…. Very easily done. The cost of repair could be quite high as it entails a visit to replace the socket. But we shall see how this goes over the years as some people cling to their copper connection. Then there is the security issue….copper is very secure unless the law is broken and someone taps into your copper line.
You are very misled here copper lines are not better quality than fibre optic fibre optic as far more superior. You can have battery back up equipment on your end to keep it working as the backup for the copper lines doesn’t last that long there is no local exchange anymore it goes over the Internet as sincerely 2000. They were removing exchanges but replacing them with units to send it to the Internet.
This is not because of the technology. This is simply a billing thing which will be based on the company but you will generally find most broadband companies offer it for free until a certain limit but then charge slightly more per minute to pay for having it for free.
