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UK TRAIN CRASHES - NO KNOWN CAUSE - MOORGATE 1975 

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UK Train Crashes - "No Known Cause" - Moorgate 1975 - Narrated by Nick Chilvers
The fourth video in our new series focuses on the events surrounding the Moorgate Underground crash in 1975 and the investigation into the cause by detectives.

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@JelMain
@JelMain 11 месяцев назад
Next to nothing was known about trauma then, and this was not a physiological seizure, but psychological fugue. One of the causes of that is PTSD, and we know he was both traumatised by his wartime experience and had had at least one of the traumas reactivated in the weeks before the crash. If that had retriggered, he may well have found himself mentally incapacitated - we now know that cognitive function has no say in this, it's part of the Innate Alarm System which Ruth Lannius' team tracked a couple of years ago. It goes nowhere near cognition.
@nicholasr39
@nicholasr39 8 месяцев назад
Interesting theory! I doubt it was suicide, it sounds unlikely
@bobibest89
@bobibest89 9 месяцев назад
I bet the driver did in on purpose. Here's why: 1. People at the station who were waiting for the train saw the driver upright, standing at the controls, looking completely in control. 2. Lesley Newson's body was found with his arms on the controls at the moment of impact. He didn't even tried to instinctively protect his face with his hands. 3. He was a WW2 veteran. He was at Dunkirk. God knows what horrors he lived throgh and what effect this had on his mind. His intention to buy a car later that day might have been a prefabricated distraction for the inquiry to bite on.
@nicholasr39
@nicholasr39 8 месяцев назад
Or London Transport covering it up to shift blame onto the dead driver. The line was scheduled to go to British Rail and I think they had stopped spending money on it. This isn't the usual Northern Line but what was to be the Northern Heights project which was cancelled due to lack of money after WW2. The line by the 1970s after the Victoria Line was built no longer went to Finsbury park. So it went from Drayton park to Moorgate, weird line.
@bobibest89
@bobibest89 9 месяцев назад
20:07 What photographs ???
@Lew747
@Lew747 9 месяцев назад
I don’t think they’ll ever be in the public domain. They’ll be held in police/ investigation archives.
@Doctor_Kissworthy
@Doctor_Kissworthy 3 года назад
When did this air, please?
@alfwedarf7764
@alfwedarf7764 3 года назад
I think from the narration toward the end, he said about the crash 22 years ago, this would make this programme 1997 / 98.
@paulspeight8398
@paulspeight8398 Год назад
Just wondering why no regular passenger using that route never used use one of the cars emergency handles if it wasn't slowing once in the platform at the stated 35mph speed, Doubt it would have prevented over running into the end wall but it would have soften the impact 💥Also the same question as why didn't the guard use an emergence brake the instant it went over that junction at speed or at the very least once his car was in the platform? Moorgate platforms are longer than the length of train that was being used. All very strange🤔
@bobtheplank8964
@bobtheplank8964 10 месяцев назад
Along with what @user-ub2hn3tm6m said, the guard, named Bob Harris, was only 18 years old and rather inexperienced. It was also noted by some of his coworkers he seemed relatively lousy and uncareful (contrasting to L. Newson)
@McRocket
@McRocket 3 года назад
The one thing that makes me somewhat doubt the conclusions of what happened is where the accident happened. I mean, if this driver had this 'seizure'? Of ALL the stations for this to happen at...it happened to be at this one station that had a dead end wall in front of it. I am not saying he did it deliberately. But the coincidence is too great for me to just assume it was a 'seizure'. But - sadly - we will probably never know the truth.
@jupiter-8405
@jupiter-8405 3 года назад
That is a very good point, it seems that every theory put forward has an equal amount of evidence against it.
@aaronwallace4277
@aaronwallace4277 3 года назад
Well he was my dads uncle and my dad was young at the time and says he was happy and never looked like he was depressed and had worked on the tube for many years so I’m not sure what went on I am not saying it wasn’t suicide it defo could be. It’s just a weird story and we will never know what happened or what went through his mind that morning
@scottmckellar1157
@scottmckellar1157 2 года назад
@@aaronwallace4277 my condolences.
@scottmckellar1157
@scottmckellar1157 2 года назад
@@aaronwallace4277 how did Helen Newson live for? The tragedy must have had an awful impact on her.
@minomk
@minomk 2 года назад
@@aaronwallace4277 wow didn't expect to find another family member on here. Les was also my nans uncle, my nans father Georges brother. Only found out the other year while doing my family tree. This is really a sad unusual incident which i have been researching.
@krugerfuchs
@krugerfuchs Год назад
He practiced it the trip before
@paulmahy
@paulmahy 2 года назад
The brakes failed as the trains had been swapped because of the brake failure, with the broken one supposed to have gone to the yard for repair. Why do you think the government has sealed the case and all the files until 2051? Too right M.M. Mr. L. Newson was sat upright staring straight ahead with his hands on the controls, he was experiencing brake failure and he didn't have time to figure it out or do anything about it. A driver who accidentally hits the gas instead of the brake, will in some cases just press the throttle harder convinced it is the brake. Similarly, if your pressing a brake and it doesn't work, you just press harder. His fixed stare looking straight ahead was him trying to stop the train until the last micro second, he didn't raise his hands to protect himself because he was doing his job, driving the train, only this train was buggered. The guard really needs looking at, he was the one who reported Mr. Newson had overshot stations in the preceding weeks, yet he didn't report it at the time or write it in his log book. The labour government of the day swept it all under the carpet, except now the blood stains are starting to seep through.
@matthewboyle8339
@matthewboyle8339 Год назад
Rubbish
@Thebigdog_1984
@Thebigdog_1984 Год назад
So why did all the mechanical examinations come back as the brakes were fully functional if it was "buggered"
@bobtheplank8964
@bobtheplank8964 10 месяцев назад
This is sadly an inaccurate explanation. The post crash examination of the train showed that the brakes had nothing wrong with them, and the post mortem x-ray along with examination of the controls both showed he had not moved the brake handle at all in an attempt to stop the train. If he had realised brake failure was imminent, he could have instead raised his hand off the dead man's handle, which would use a separate system of activation meaning the train could have still stopped.
@krugerfuchs
@krugerfuchs Год назад
Suicide
@Sam_Green____4114
@Sam_Green____4114 2 года назад
The Driver committed Suicide!
@Thebigdog_1984
@Thebigdog_1984 Год назад
so why did he have money in his pocket intending to go and buy his daughter a car after e finished his shift? where was the suicide note?
@Sam_Green____4114
@Sam_Green____4114 Год назад
@@Thebigdog_1984 He knew his daughter would get the money is why !! lt had her name written on it !! He don't need a suicide note !!! Maybe the wife would lose some of his pension if it was a suicide ?
@dragonflyBMX
@dragonflyBMX Год назад
@@Sam_Green____4114 he didn't even raise his hands from the controls.
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