UK UNIVERSITY RANKINGS 2023 REACTION! (New Best & Worst UK Universities)

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In today's video, I react to the official 2023 UK University Rankings & 2023 league tables. I for the first time react to the new rankings which place universities such as York, St Andrews, Cambridge, Birmingham, UCL, and more all among the best unis in the UK! But are these rankings correct? do these universities deserve to be among the best in the UK? I give my personal insight into this as well!
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@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

UK Uni Rankings! Woah yet again Oxbridge domination.....✍🏡👑 Also I did economics&finance at University, I love saving&a good deal! My website has a page dedciated to the most useful products+services out there for people in their 20's!✅ Check it out: www.reevesandfellows.com/deals

@asifaarif3518 2 года назад

Kindly tell about master of psychology. Which uni are best. What about ARU vambridge campus and Essex?

@CatOfTwinleaf 2 года назад

Leeds Art University getting so low in research makes sense because it’s a creative univeristy - our practicals, process and portfolios are weighted much higher overall in our degree rather than our written work/dissertations. My dissertation only made up 15% of my overall grade for my BA degree, whilst I had friends whose were worth much more. I think it’s an academic vs. creative thing, which is why (unfortunately) many wholey creative universities do not rank very high on tables like those. Creative as in, graphic design, fine art, illustration, interior design, architecture, creative writing, creative advertising, animation, game design etc.

@ezmarelda19 2 года назад

You mentioned how hard it is to get into St. Andrews. My children got places there, but not at Oxbridge. Getting into Oxbridge is difficult as you're in competition with the rest of the world. It also depends on which College you apply to. Anyone wanting to get into Oxbridge, do your research on the College you want to apply to.

@victoryuan1904 10 месяцев назад

The thing about college application is that usually nothing is guaranteed. Things like students accepted by oxbridge but got rejected by schools like IC, St.Andrews, LSE or certain UCL programs can frequently happen, and so is the opposite. I would agree though that oxbridge are more renowned internationally.

@infjelphabasupporter8416 9 месяцев назад

I got into St Andrews but not Oxford. Honestly... I think it was the TSA. There were final exams at my school, I learnt about it last minute... And studied for it for an hour. Obviously I performed terribly and didn't get an interview. I was applying for a more philosophical course, though, and the test was mostly British maths, which is kind of questionable (also an international student here).

@johannjones2011 2 года назад

Moving into accomodation tommorow for Aberystwyth Uni, studying computer science! Don't know why I watched this considering I've already chosen but good video 👍

@iconic-z5906 2 года назад

Oh good luck I was also gonna go to that uni for cs. But all the best to you and make sure you become the best in your degree.

@johannjones2011 2 года назад

@@iconic-z5906 thanks man 👍

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Good luck!

@devyanikoparde Год назад

Hey Dylan, Met you yesterday at the event. Now obsessed with your videos. You make really good content. Super engaging and informative. So much to learn from you.

@lifewithdylan Год назад

Awesome! Thank you! great meeeting you too! your content is fab as well!

@TrollXVXV 2 года назад

Big problem with entry standard is that different qualifications are translated to A Level grades. Scottish Highers are largely inflated (much easier to achieve for example the equivalent of 3A*s in terms of ucas points). This makes Scottish unis in general have higher entry standards in these league tables then in reality. St Andrews entry standard is not even at the level of imperial, lse let alone oxbridge.

@harrysparke6277 2 года назад

I mean without sounding impolite… you are wrong, for 3 primary reasons. 1, assuming that there are many Scots at St. Andrews. There aren’t. Roughly only around 20-25% of admissions are Scottish. Also, many of those Scots do advanced highers, which are technically above an a level in terms of difficulty. Furthermore, it is actually easier for a scot to get into oxbridge than st Andrews due to its popularity in Scotland and the student cap St. Andrews imposes on Scottish applicants. For example for medicine, the offer rate for a Scot applying to St. Andrews is 13% whereas for Cambridge it’s 15%. For economics the offer rate for a Scottish student is 9% at St. Andrews and the offer rate for econ at Oxford is 13%. So your argument that scots are the reason why st Andrews has high entry standards doesn’t really work. Furthermore, if you look at the offer rates for universities this year, St. Andrews has an offer rate of 25% whereas imperial has an offer rate of 32.5%. So saying the St Andrews’s competitiveness is inflated isn’t exactly true. It is one of the most competitive universities in the UK, rivalry oxbridge is this regard, but I admit not quite surpassing them overall. However you have to take the tables with a pinch of salt as they only reflect ucas points, which is not the best way to score entry requirements.

@aidenmessenger6554 2 года назад

Access to HE is also much easier from the standard A level. I had exams throughout the year instead of everything at the end.

@TrollXVXV 2 года назад

@@harrysparke6277 Incase anyone actually believes this know st andrews does not rival oxbridge, lse or imperial. The economics course referenced has a minimum entry requirement of ABB.. I'm not bashing the university, seems to offer a great student experience with traditions and sorts but is not known as elite in any circle (employment, academics, etc). I can imagine many students uninterested in the "elite" status with strong grades would go to St andrews and have a much better experience. Similarly with Bath, Bristol, Edinburgh, Warwick, Manchester, King's, UCL (although some of these universities have elite departments). I personally belive "elite" matters very little but I wasn't pursuing a path that requires me to care. For those that are I.e. academia, finance/law etc it's important to know. (Offer rate mean very little. I know many people who applied for St Andrews with good grades, only those few with amazing grades applied for oxbridge. Actually, only those few really wanted to goto oxbridge and the rest knew it was an auto rejection).

@harrysparke6277 2 года назад

@@TrollXVXV your ABB comment means nothing. The offer rate for econ is incredibly low (can’t be bothered to find the exact stats but it will be below 20%.) St Andrews, as you already said, had the highest ucas entry points… which means the highest proportion of students receiving top grades. If you actually look at the calibre of student applying for econ at St. Andrews, they all have a plethora of predicted A*s. As a matter of fact, 3 of my friends from school all applied for econ at both St. Andrews and lse for econ ( 1 combining it with history.) all had 3A*s predicted and all were accepted by lse but rejected by St. Andrews. Furthermore, St Andrews consistently ranks top for econ in the country. I don’t see how your ABB comment proves anything and I don’t see how you can argue that St. Andrews doesn’t rival the top uk unis.

@TrollXVXV 2 года назад

@@harrysparke6277 St A economics is overshadowed by oxbridge, lse, ucl and warwick.

@lawisingh9186 2 года назад

Well, I am suprised by a few rankings. But I am aiming for LSE and Imperial next year for economics. Great video Dylan!

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Thank you and yeh go on LSE!

@sinless4088 Год назад

Imperial doesn't do Econ?

@lawisingh9186 Год назад

@@sinless4088 they do! MSc Economics and Business Strategy

@fragones1237 Год назад

@@lawisingh9186 UCL might be better than imperial for Exonomics

@lawisingh9186 Год назад

@@fragones1237 thank you for the suggestion! I am still waiting for my results!

@georgebeltran3742 Год назад

Big up Surrey Uni

@dac8939 2 года назад

Oxbridge is overated. Any good Russell group university ( Durham, Edinburgh, Imperial, LSE, York, Warwick etc is competitive) with internship, solid extra curricular and good degree will be competitive to get you where you need. Only thing is if you want to be priminister of UK then you really need to do PPE at Oxford - that course has produced more than any other university. York and Edinburgh should be in top 10.

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Hey mate yeh I definitely agree they are all good unis! And trust york and Edinburgh are elite hahaha

@Ali-oo3sb 2 года назад

Bro snuck in York like we won’t notice 😂😂

@alpha3518 2 года назад

Just say you got rejected from them it’s chill

@robbiehicks7960 2 года назад

York is such an outlier in this list

@CraigBukenya 2 года назад

@@Ali-oo3sb You’re jokes😂

@pintohoareau579 2 года назад

Sheffield is massively underrated. Ffs.

@themadcaplaughs3884 2 года назад

Applying for Cambridge law school this year , fingers crossed 🤞🏻

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Good luck!

@alexpiwowarska1997 2 года назад

In two weeks I am applying to Cambridge to study architecture 🤞

@bananabrain2996 2 года назад

"No proof of bribing" tbh the fact that oxbridge leave atleast 2 categories blank on these tables (and seem to be the only ones allowed to) but still always end up near the top if not 1st and 2nd is enough proof for me

@lewissaeyang2739 Год назад

Bruh oxford and Cambridge is world class there always top 5 in the world

@zephyrusvv390 18 дней назад

But they dominate other categories

@bananabrain2996 17 дней назад

@@zephyrusvv390 not really they're almost exactly the same as other unis in the other categories and if those two categories were incredibly low it would bring down their average so much it wouldn't matter

@bananabrain2996 17 дней назад

@@lewissaeyang2739 doesn't address what i said

@joshuaelder8983 Год назад

Scottish entry standards are probably higher because scottish students dont pay tuition fees

@Arya-Aviation 2 года назад

Im planning to go to Edinburgh University so hope everything goes well.

@danniaz1588 Год назад

Hey! I was wondering if you’ve already made the decision? It used to be my top choice but then I took a look at the student satisfaction and got really worried.

@Arya-Aviation Год назад

@@danniaz1588 sorry to say but I got rejected, and now my firm is Newcastle university and my insurance is Sussex

@smrithysivathasan8577 8 месяцев назад

Hey, Did you enroll anywhere?

@Arya-Aviation 8 месяцев назад

@@smrithysivathasan8577University of Newcastle

@neegwa2998 Год назад

Big up Surrey for the massive improvement

@baileyhalliday19199 2 года назад

Sheffield > Oxford

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Ahahahah I could back that

@jingbosun1437 2 года назад

Why? Please state reasons, looking to apply to Sheffield and Leeds. Thanks.

@baileyhalliday19199 2 года назад

@@jingbosun1437 I mean I can't speak for Oxford but I went Sheffield and thoroughly enjoyed it. I also had a mate who went to leeds and he had an awesome time so I think either of your choices are good for enjoying student life. I'd say research what uni is better for your course. Hope this helps

@jingbosun1437 Год назад

@@baileyhalliday19199 thanks so much.

@arwamusallam3050 Год назад

I want to study physics masters what university is better ? Durham kings or Edinburgh

@rayhanrobert5657 2 года назад

what do u think of the university of birmingham?

@suxrobsalimov9433 Месяц назад

@anandageeganage1234 Год назад

when selecting an uni do we have to consider the uni rank or subject rank in the league table

@NoIdeaBrother 20 дней назад

What about Cranfield University

@rm-us6tn 2 года назад

I'm an international student with IB predicted grade 44/45 and wanna study PPE. Which five unis do you think I should apply?

@riddlebog Год назад

Hustler's University

@dac8939 Год назад

Oxbridge, Warwick and York

@alpha3518 2 года назад

Review uk Russell groups + St. Andrews and bath cause they’re all so decent. Would be cool if you go a bit more in-depth to on each uni or share a bit of cool story.

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Will do !!💯

@Mogojoegotube 2 года назад

I go to Anglia Ruskin uni. It claims to be in the top 40 for the UK but on this list it was like mid hundreds lol. However Its 39th on "THE higher education"... Not that I'm bothered, its a decent uni hopefully I can grab a degree by the end (just started my 2nd year)

@kenzieusa3356 Год назад

You think the unis matter? Just get a first degree right

@aphrodite4520 Год назад

Heyy !! I actually got a confirmation letter from ARU

@aphrodite4520 Год назад

Is ARU a good university?? I’ve heard like there is not much opportunities for students to interact with each other

@kenzieusa3356 Год назад

@@aphrodite4520 not sure if that is true

@rosie6 Год назад

@@aphrodite4520 Congrats!! Getting an offer is great. I do have some thoughts about the uni tho. I don’t want to discourage you, but please do not go there unless you literally have no other options. I am British and the uni is well known not for good reasons because a previous student sued them for lying about their rankings, so if you have any other university, use ARU as ur last choice. Good luck!! 🍀 ❤

@shaik3646 2 года назад

University of Bath ✌🏻 I just graduated

@arindambandral5776 2 года назад

Course? And how was your experience?

@shaik3646 2 года назад

@@arindambandral5776 MSc in Engineering Business Management, the faculty members are very supportive and overall I had a great experience, you can definitely grow both in career and as a person. But at the end of the day it's on you, like how you utilise the resources.

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Big up!

@williamgarnett3705 2 года назад

Starting mech eng there next week!

@incrediblezed7303 Год назад

Can I get into LSE/imperial for engineering/finance if I got all 8/9 at GCSE but I chose maths physics chemistry for a level and not further maths or economics?

@nadssx3481 Год назад

Depends on which course - but I don’t think further maths is a requirement for any courses at LSE, although it is preferable for some. As for Imperial, I don’t attend there myself so I couldn’t say. Good luck!

@b1rito Год назад

you can go for ICL. I did phys maths and history 3A* predicted ofc and goy rejected from Theoretical Phys MSci. My friend who I believe had the strongest application by far in terms of experience and outside work - 20k+ community with multiple gaming servers and programs published on github, discord bots etc - got rejected without an interview by ICL so it leads me to believe its not how suited you are for the subjrct but how many A Levels you do and if your an international student. You have to come to terms with the fact that ultimately, unis are business that make money.

@thejadeassassin4821 Год назад

Big up Cambridge

@perseusgeorgiadis7821 Год назад

Yeah… Imperial is definitely not below St. Andrews…

@merrinsarah3324 2 года назад

Queens university belfast comes under Russel group.But, is there any extra benefits for graduating from Russell group University like queens, for getting a job or something?

@arcticturtle12 2 года назад

Based off of what I know from my research Russell Group is much like the Ivy League. You are likely to get better connections for networking and therefore good for getting a job.

@zaishuoluo9173 2 года назад

great vid thumb up. I’m an international majoring finance aiming to apply for either uni of Exeter or Newcastle, any advice guys? Or any other recommendations😢

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

thank you good luck!

@frizzbeemix3919 2 года назад

Newcastle for sure!!

@joshquinn4964 2 года назад

In year 12 wanting to do History and aiming for St. Andrews or Oxford, Leeds, York(!) or Nottingham. Or Stirling as a backup.

@h4lplays932 Год назад

idk why glasgow has 97% entry standards when the grade reqs are lower than leeds and manchester for most courses

@josephhall9307 2 года назад

St. Andrews doesn't belong up there, neither does Loughborough or Bath. St. Andrews has only upped their entry standards since Prince William went there. But those higher A-level grades hasn't transformed St. Andrews into a Nobel Prize winning academy.

@cc-sj6oe 2 года назад

St Andrews is very small so I don't think it's fair to expect them to churn out Nobel Prize winners

@amritendurana2040 Год назад

So now u get to decide rankings.rankings r invalid and shit anyways.

@emmaviolincovers9547 2 года назад

This sounds so inaccurate

@aniketganguly941 Год назад

Is Cardiff good??

@Noah-qp6oe 2 года назад

I’d say trinity college is the best uni in Ireland no?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Hmm quite possibly bro!

@gopikapradeep3536 2 года назад

Hi, What about Nottingham trent University

@tobeeoh Год назад

a lot of indians go for NTU but i would still suggest trying for a good russell uni if u can afford it

@jamalgordon8883 2 года назад

My name is Jamal Gordon

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

My bro thansk for coming back to my channel

@jamalgordon8883 2 года назад

@@lifewithdylan You’re welcome

@toolion3681 2 года назад

I graduated from University of St Andrews 2 years ago. I am always missing those years of studying there.

@218defacto 2 года назад

What degree did you do ?

@mazenhafez4986 2 года назад

Hey Dylan , I’m applying for economics and management/ economics. I’m applying to Oxford,UCL,Kings,Manchester and Bristol . Are those solid picks ?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

solid picks!

@nayelhuda6945 Год назад

did u get an interview?

@vasileiospetropoulos2046 2 года назад

Exeter a great uni! Exeter amazing uni!

@worldtravelerguru151 Год назад

Any input from any of you regarding Graduate degrees at: Northumbria vs Staffordshire

@piyumimethushala6527 2 года назад

Can you tell something about university of bedfordshire?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Yes I will !

@nidhichutani7180 Год назад

Hey Dylan! I've got an offer from leeds, Birmingham & Liverpool. Which uni should I go for?

@dansimpson4667 Год назад

Birmingham for quality, Liverpool for nightlife, Leeds for a specific subject eg Law - Leeds also has good nightlife according to some.

@MMA21-t9z Год назад

Why don't you like Uni of Buckingham ?

@ergunkrbac7112 2 года назад

Bopoverse #cyberbullying task force is the future of the web3. I will be happy to see you covering that project because I'm confident they deserve that🥂

@krupalkevadiya8150 2 года назад

Where is coventry university in ranking?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

I think in the middle

@muhdiman6087 2 года назад

Planning to apply into International Business at Birmingham. Anyone from there ??😬

@gracecharles1536 Год назад

Best university for Masters in accounting and finance

@proaayan995 Год назад

York st. John university is better or not for undergraduate courses?

@syedhammadahmed508 2 года назад

Can't find University of Northampton. Where is it in ranking?

@chl1rkd270 2 года назад

How do you think about Brighton?

@lizapalyutina Год назад

What are the best universities for Political Science?

@vcheng7371 2 года назад

Are you still reviewing uk universities?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

yeh! coming soon!

@alextabet9247 2 года назад

Cambridge and Oxford cannot be unseated..and rightly so. Five things truly determine the quality of a university. 1. Resources/Endowment/Facilities. No university in the UK comes close to those two when it comes to resources and endowment. 2. Faculty. Because of their history and resources, no university can compete with OxBridge except for LSE and Imperial 3. Academic well-roundness. Most universities excel at a handful of disciplines. Oxford and Cambridge excel across virtually all disciplines 4. Student quality. Cambridge and Oxford are the most selective universities in the UK, no matter what any ranking says about St Andrews 5. Prestige. While prestige is hard to measure, and not always important, it does matter in attracting faculty, bright students and employers Bottom line, Cambridge and Oxford are not going to be touched anytime soon. St Andrews is excellent, but I think LSE and Imperial are the next 2 universities in the UK. UCL would come in at #5. Then come the other great universities, such as Bath, Bristol, Edinburgh, Loughborough, St Andrews, Warwick etc...

@ezmarelda19 2 года назад

Durham is better than UCL.

@bananabrain2996 2 года назад

Oxbridge always leave student satisfaction and another one empty every year lol its all nonsense

@alextabet9247 2 года назад

@@bananabrain2996 regardless of student surveys, when it comes to the tangibles, Oxford and Cambridge are heads and shoulders above the rest.

@jasminewander9986 2 года назад

Hey what about University of east london ??

@-gbx- 4 месяца назад

kings is so underrated..

@pakarmy7030 2 года назад

Coventry university ranking??

@sheejaav3479 2 года назад

Make a video on visual effects

@rosie6 Год назад

Where did you do ur MA? X

@ngonimutezo6670 2 года назад

Planning on doing economics and international business at university what do you think ?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Sick bro economics and business is great combo !

@shaygold943 11 месяцев назад

👍🙏🙏🙏

@faheemahmed1015 2 года назад

Please make vedio on university of essex.

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Okay💯

@convolutionalnn2582 2 года назад

Which university is best for Master in AI ?

@n.s.5278 2 года назад

Cambridge? Imperial?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

^^👍

@convolutionalnn2582 2 года назад

@@n.s.5278 Do Cambridge has master in ai ?

@n.s.5278 2 года назад

@@convolutionalnn2582 yes, m.phil in machine learning and machine intelligence. If you have the grades, that would be the most prestigious.

@convolutionalnn2582 2 года назад

@@n.s.5278 But Most people said its not that good and missed many core modules of ML and is not research oriented...What is you take on this ? And Is this the best Master in ai programme If i wanna do research in RL ?

@jamalgordon8883 2 года назад

Hello Dylan how are you doing today

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Hey bro I’m good thanks just had dinner!

@jamalgordon8883 2 года назад

@@lifewithdylan Yes you had dinner

@Asian200iq 2 года назад

The hell is going on here lol

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

@@Asian200iq I actually dont know

@infinity_sh4816 7 месяцев назад

7:54

@abhirupdeb3059 2 года назад

Swansea University for computer science??

@susanx6782 2 года назад

icl university of glasgow is so competitive, the entry requirements are higher than i expected

@michaelwalsh9404 Год назад

That surprises me. If you include the A* maths I got in year 12, my glasglow math offer was A*AB. Meanwhile my Warwick one where I ended up in the end this year was A*A*A*. I just have to assume either Glasglow is much harder to get into for the non stem subjects. Even my edinburgh offer was only A*AA

@saiprakash9014 2 года назад

Planning to study ms in data science suggest me one good university with placement please

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Good luck!

@saiprakash9014 2 года назад

@@lifewithdylan bro suggest me some good universities please

@myalou5930 2 года назад

What about Oxford Brookes?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Middle of the table

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

I think :)

@dac8939 2 года назад

Middle ranking uni. Poly. Good for some courses like real estate but even then better universities for real estate like Reading university.

@dbcooper7326 Год назад

Great for Rowing

2 года назад

Do you mind covering the BopoVerse #Cyberbullying task force NFTs? They have real agenda that I can relate to

@rajromil5 Год назад

Thoughts on Aberdeen's position?

@SistaRecords 2 года назад

The BopoVerse #FreeToBe #cyberbullying task force NFTs should gain more respect let's support the🙏🏼🙏🏼

@oavalyadav1354 2 года назад

Will it be good if I do MA in Sports jOurnalism from Uk ? Plz suggest which uni is good 😊?

@edizgundogmus3242 2 года назад

BopoVerse #FreeToBe - #cyberbullying task force Is underrated. They need to get more attention for sure!! 🙊

@sedatermis6554 2 года назад

It makes no sense that nobody is speaking about the BopoVerse this is the real deal go check them.

@baekhyunbuttersmyeggrolls8273 2 года назад

how is university of west london?

@lifewithdylan 2 года назад

Hmm

@baekhyunbuttersmyeggrolls8273 2 года назад

@@lifewithdylan that's.. not particularly helpful 😭

@angeld9835 2 года назад

What about anglia ruskin university...?planning for jan intake 2023 for international business management..?

@tobeeoh Год назад

if u can afford russell unis, i will suggest just go for them russells. im an indian highschooler who applied to those for business management undergrad.

@rosie6 Год назад

Please don’t go!! Don’t waste ur money and time. You deserve better trust me. Unless it’s a backup

@constantius4654 2 года назад

Lancaster and Loughborough are both perfectly decent non Russell Group universities but the Times and Guardian rankings into which they are placed within the top ten (or nearly so) are simply preposterous. The actual top universities in the UK are best judged by the top employers in the UK and beyond. Take a look at the High Flyers online annual rankings of the Top 20 most prestigious universities in the UK. Neither Lancaster nor Loughborough make it anywhere into the real world Top 20. Look also at the QS world graduate employability rankings. They show that Russell Group universities such as Manchester, Bristol, Birmingham, Leeds, Nottingham and Warwick are very highly ranked indeed by national and international employers. The above six universities are placed by the High Flyers at a higher ranking than Cambridge (7) or Oxford (10). Some of the 'academic' rankings such as the latest Guardian 2023 table are grossly irresponsible and misleading to sixth formers and those seeking to join the best university that they can. The Guardian and Times rankings tables are simply at variance with the far more reality based views of major UK and international employers. See also the QS world university academic rankings which tell you straight as to which UK universities are the most respected across the world. The hard headed QS world rankings often differ greatly from the parochial snobbery which afflicts some UK university rankings. For instance universities beloved of private school applicants such as Durham and St Andrews are always in the top 10 in the Times and Guardian (which employ a great many private school educated journalists) yet are manifestly lower ranked internationally than for example Manchester, Birmingham or Leeds.