UK vs USA Residency | Length, Cost, & Structure | What's Best for IMGs? 

Thanks for saying so!

There’s no residency in uk though

It is She is just very biased pro uk version Follow dr sheeren and dr usman , uk med college couple went to US

@@StudyTime-i5u Cant find theirs channel!?

There is no pass percentage as it is not exam based. Check out our series on consultants in the UK to get an idea: ru-vid.com/group/PLXt2ODIQqEojsP1FVd2pnDnODW38td28o

Aw thanks 😊

You're very welcome! Glad to be of help 😃

Wich one you decided?

Thanks so much for saying so 🙂

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you so much!

Truly we cannot think of any because in any disadvantage you look for the advantage elsewhere, which we've not been able to do. What if we did a debunking video covering commonly thought disadvantages?

@@RoadToUK yeah sure!

Exactly 💯

@@RoadToUK You can say the same thing about disadvantages of US residency, but then you manage to criticise it in your other videos quite enthusiastically?

@@vichuang1480 If you like untamed working hours, poor pay to hours worked, an expensive match/residency/fellowship process, etc etc then by all means- go for the USA. No one is stopping you 😁

Thanks!

You're welcome!

Thanks :)

You're welcome 😁

You're welcome!

You're welcome!

Oh wow!

You're welcome!

😊😊

You're welcome!

You're welcome 😁

Glad it was helpful!

1) Please see: roadto.uk/rBnr 2) We have asked a few of our colleagues to get an idea of how to proceed with such a topic. A few have mentioned just not being able to live in their home country and missing certain aspects of that life, but that is true of any place abroad. Some others have mentioned tax rate, but they also contend that equals out when you consider return and the fact they are not paying separately for health insurance. But we will keep an ear to the ground if there are other things to mention :)

True!

Does not apply to IMG

☺️

Hi, we have another video on that topic on our channel! We've been working to provide a more in-depth comparison with pay checks but it's taking a little longer than expected. On top of that, the UK has private practice as well.

@@RoadToUK I’ll be eagerly waiting for the video, keep doing great work. Thanks a lot🙏🏻

You're welcome!

You're welcome!

You're welcome!

Nope, all are accounted for. You can check the links on the description box to confirm!

@@RoadToUK very much appreciated, thanks!

This is not true. You don't need to do two years minimum in the UK before you can apply for GP training. IMGs can and have directly applied for GP training from their home countries.

Sure!

👍

Yes, we have an entire playlist 😁

True! IMGs have it difficult in the USA.

Hahaha :)

Please see: roadto.uk/rBnr

Do you mean along these terms: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OEWSOoTzI6Y.html

There is no cost. Please also see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IZzn5baZaXU.html

Don't worry, we will soon have a video explaining that misconception as well! UK consultants make more than what people think and assume :)

@@RoadToUK cant wait🤑

I have the same query. My only reason of not choosing UK is pay is very less. It would be really helpful.

Curious to know what salary is appropriate at each level of training in your opinion?

@@RoadToUK yes mam it would be really helpful

Haha thanks :)

In the UK, you don't have to start at residency or even fellowship- it's possible to 'skip' and directly become a consultant (attending)- which isn't possible in the USA. So HST isn't required and there are routes in the UK that don't even have HST. We've given the durations with residency and fellowship as well as core and HST or run-through, whatever the situation. This information was provided at the end of the video as well as in the link in the description box, which hardly makes it misleading. And any extra super specialized years done are now mostly composited into HST (if they choose to do it), but many don't and they typically are post-CCT (i.e. after becoming a consultant).

This pay gap also exists at the resident and fellow level - with UK doctors being paid more. Please also remember that US doctors work longer hours with less time off (vacation, sick leave, etc) and have no paid mat/pat leave like the UK. This still continues into when you're an attending. UK doctors can seek private practice and can negotiate their pay within the NHS as they require, and we've never heard of any consultant who was want for pay. Please also see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jFITiQDUop8.html

Please see: roadto.uk/6oCL

@@RoadToUK thank you!

Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KWlh5rn8hE0.html

There's no such thing as an internal medicine consultant in the UK.

@@RoadToUK Exactly. And the fact that one doesn't have the flexibility to choose whether or not he can stop his training after core training, makes it a longer process for a UK doctor to become a consultant, any consultant for that matter, except maybe family medicine.

@@himangshuhazarika3 You don't seem to understand the process. Just because the UK doesn't have an internal medicine consultant doesn't make them less flexible- in fact you just tried to compare and say in the UK it takes 7 years to be an internal medicine consultant and seemed quite happy with a fact that didn't exist. If you want to be a consultant in medicine in the UK, yes, it will be longer than in the US if you compare internal medicine to something the UK has no equivalent of, but you neglect to look at specialization and the fact that IMGs in the UK are not relegated to only pursuing particular specialities (as they are in the US) given their YOG, nationality, or exam scores. Even still, you may argue it takes long for a medicine consultant to specialize in the UK, but the fundamental error in that comparison is that the UK has dual and triple specialization routes within those 4 years that the US doesn't have. So one can argue in that time, a UK consultant is further specialized versus a US attending. Examples include a stroke consultant can be a triple CCT in stroke, geriatric, and general medicine or a respiratory consultant can be a triple CCT in respiratory, intensive care, and general medicine. And at the end of day, since the UK is not prejudiced to the things mentioned above, you will find many IMGs entering shorter specialty training in radiology, psychiatry, etc and even more competitive training routes like orthopedics, ENT, cardio thoracic, and vascular surgery without having to waste precious years struggling to match and not having to pay fees for the match process.

Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C_QJqy9VsZ4.html & roadto.uk/4GwD

You apply as part of a national recruitment for different regions. Because it's a national recruitment, the expectations and learning opportunities are kept the same.

Nope, not at all!

@@RoadToUK due to covid and other delays am in same boat. Though graduating from Hungary (EU member state), told our internship counts as FYP 1,am thinking of starting FYP1. Need to "get back in the game." cos tbh am rusty. BTW am Turing 42.

@@balerikirmu.11 You'd only be eligible for a non training FY1 post, not through UKFP.

@@RoadToUK what of the FY2 and standalone? Friend got fy1 did some months and switch to FY2.

Yes. You just need to ensure you meet the application criteria of the program.

UK doesn't require WFME accreditation.

@@RoadToUK Oh, that's good. And is some kind of accreditation required?

👍🏻

You cannot work in the UK without a valid work visa.

What if you had a visa in another category (say a settlement visa) but have completed Plab 1 but are yet to complete your Plab2, are you able to work as a partly as a doctor or in a medical related field? If yes, could you kindly suggest examples of what kond of job/roles one could be qualified for? Thanks

You're welcome!

Please see: roadtouk.com/training-in-uk/training-in-various-specialties/speciality-training-in-paediatrics/

Sorry we have no information on Switzerland.

After 5 years in the UK, you apply for indefinite leave to remain (ILR). Then after another year, you apply for citizenship.

UKFP would likely be the fastest route to the UK.

No. You get full GMC registration after completing an acceptable pattern of internship. If you only have internship experience, before you can join a core or specialty training, you must have completed another year of work post internship (this can be in the UK or outside). There is no such thing as a non training GP. As you've said, you can enter GP training, but you need to have the required competencies (CREST) and meet the person specifications. Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FCQMfe44g5I.html & ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lr-ufHzD6WI.html & ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qnIJD5UVzgY.html

No. There is no barrier on your being an IMG, as mentioned in this video.

It's nothing that you should feel would hold you back. Don't consider it to be a hurdle- go for it!

Yes, there are post graduate exams for specialist progression/registration.

Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z4UghNcKl4U.html

Not currently.

Have you gotten GMC registration?

What do you mean?

@@RoadToUK I was refering if I can work as a international medical specialist without no greater troubles in comparison with a general physician

Regarding WDOMS you need to email GMC and they will asssist you.

@@SuperRated619 I did that, they're asking me to contact wdoms and when I did that, they are sending me an automated email without telling me exactly what to do🥲

@@abidsuhail5620 your college principal should contact the authorities. Please communicate with them

@@SuperRated619 okay

Yes, contact WDOMS. The automated email may have a duration of time before they will get back to you, so still keep an eye out for a complete response.

No. Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eEn_9FiyNzk.html

Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z4UghNcKl4U.html

Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0CM1fyQCfIM.html

1) Yes. 2) Check out our forum: forum.roadtouk.com

Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rtOGiYjTwj0.html

You need to pass your final medical exams.

No you do not. Depending on your training rotation, you may not move at all, or you may move after 1-2 years to another hospital in the area. In the USA, you typically rotate between several hospitals throughout the year for the duration of your training.

@@RoadToUK thankyou 👍

Misleading how exactly? Specialty training is your subspecialization. An internal medicine trainee in the UK who then pursues an ST in cardiology is the equivalent of an internal medicine resident who then does a fellowship in cardiology. And we've laid out the duration of training in different specialities with the source for both UK and USA- yes, some in UK are longer, but not significantly so, and a good number are of the same duration.

That will be a quite an unlikely scenerio. But logically speaking, two years is the validity of PLAB 2, if it expires it only makes sense to retake PLAB 2 again. Drop an email to GMC with this query to be sure.

@@RoadToUK ok thanks

Yes.

Yes it still exists.

@@RoadToUK I checked, for us non EU nationals who studied in EU, we're exempted from plab1. Since our internship year counts as FYP1. Makes sense. But those of us who haven't been practicing for a bit, up or more than 5yrs,seem they will have to do it.

Nope. After 5 years you can apply for indefinite leave to remain (ILR), and then citizenship 1 year after that.

@@RoadToUK tysm mam !!!

Nope!

Yes. Ideally, internship experience will suffice.

@@RoadToUK ok thanku mam/ sir .and for plab do we need our own country permanent medical license ?

Haven't found much of a change tbh aside from needing to apply for settlement.

Yes of course

It's one of the routes for GMC registration. You cannot work in the UK without registration.

Yes. Please see: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--LDAhj_XKVE.html

I would really appreciate further info on how to shorten training time? Is higher specialty training necessary?

You will always have to start from PGY-1 in the States, but that isn't necessarily the case in the UK. And most specialties? You've just mentioned psychiatry but if you already have experience back home, you can start from higher specialty, which would make your training length at minimum 3 years.

You mean like here? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KWlh5rn8hE0.htmlsi=bFYuYv48Xi1x62KX

For which country?

@@RoadToUK UK

Hi Ashutosh, 🙋🏽‍♂️ I'm Abhinav.. Final yr medico from Kazakhstan. I'm in the same boat as u.. Let's keep in touch.. Whatsapp 9311459245

It's not an issue.

👍🏻

No. You'd need an acceptable pattern of internship to bypass foundation training.

@@RoadToUK is the crri program in india accepted as internship??

You'd need to make a pros and cons list that suits you and see what is best.

The same as for training. Salary is experience/level dependent, not training non training dependent.

👍