Ukraine, Russia, and the Future of the Liberal Order - Hagel lecture series 

We need a MULTIPOLAR world.

I think it is very funny. They talk a lot and they agree on everything. There is no debate.

Where is John Mearsheimer?

Where UChicago prof Mearsheimer? McFowl prob too scared to debate him.

@19:26 Thou wilt not annex the territory of thy neighbor.... unless that neighbor is our friend--see the case of Israel and the Golan Heights.

What is liberal about the liberal order?

Mind Begs the Question: If deploying Weapons,Troops In USA backyard (Cuba) - not Allowed In Russia,China backyard (Ukraine,Taiwan) - Allowed Democracy,Imperialism?

They describe the world which no longer exists. They just don't get it or they are dishonest. May be both. Anyway their academic competence is quite low. Just a neocon chat.

... addressed to the neo-cons, this is a translation of a french proverb : who sows the wind, will reaps the storm...

The biggest mistake of the United States is that they perceived the collapse of the USSR as their victory, although in fact the collapse was for internal reasons. Russia has never admitted to being defeated. Russia offered peace in 1991, but the US took it as a defeat and began to treat Russia like a spoils of war. Another mistake follows from this mistake: the US is trying to destroy Russia as the USSR. But in today's Russia there are NO such internal problems as there were in the USSR. Today's Russia is a rising superpower with a lot of passion and ambition. While the peak of US greatness ended in the early 2000s. The US is now a fading superpower.

Starts at 13:45 if you want to skip the introductions. Although, there's really nothing new to learn in the discussion.

None of these three people understand Russia: this is the biggest mistake of all!

last countrys they helped becoming thriving democracies were Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan...and the list goes on. Looks like ucraine will be a great success.

"...USA taking sides in this war..." it's the primary driver since last 3 decades for agitating all these wars.

Good awareness. But I believe Prof John Mearsheimer's analysis of Liberal order, Ukraine, and Russia is by far the most comprehensive, fair, and logical I have encountered. Why didn't you have him on the show?

The challenge is for the so-called "democratic states" not becoming oligarchies or controlled by big corporations such as the military industrial complex.

14 initial minutes were the longest flustercluck introduction to the real meat of sizzling lies.

Mr McFaul did you ply piano with Zelensky?

What an arrogant world, covered in egos

a diplomat who says I'm not a soldier, I don't know the military field, but I think we shouldn't negotiate, we have to wage war. we need more weapons, more planes, etc. this is what the diplomacy of the Obama administration looked like. the same men are back with the same logic in the Biden administration how can a diplomat get out of such nonsense

Neocon staring at US fading is priceless. No oil, no raw materials, no grain, no printer. Great results Sirs! Good luck

A more appropriate title for the discussion should have been “The Future of the American Global Hegemony.” The US global sway - that’s what is at stake. “Liberalism” is an ideological instrument, not the core of the system.

i would like this discussion to start over since the pentagon leaks.

This really reminds me of the 1998 Town Hall meeting at The Ohio State University with then Secretary of State Madeleine Albright (still available on RU-vid), in which the students were questioning/challenging the US justification of invading Iraq and Madeleine Albright branded those students as Saddam sympathizers. It's interesting that no one seems to be remember (or bring up) America's invasion of Iraq during this conversation of "Putin's imperial ambitions in Ukraine." Kudos to the student who brought up the West derailing peace talks to keep the war going. It's well documented/reported in Israeli and Indian media that 3 months into the conflict Israel's then Prime Minister Bennett tried to help negotiate peace between Putin and Zelensky (and both parties were ready to compromise) but Boris Johnson derailed the process, and Bennett thought that was wrong. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin also publicly stated (subsequently repeated by numerous US military generals) that the aim of the conflict is to isolate/weaken/cripple Russia, and that it's a great deal for the US since it's only costing us money but not lives.

Anyone who starts a conversation with "American and the free world" in the same sentence cant be taken seriously.

Our elites make me nervous. Ay

Take a drink every time you hear "Chicago".

Похоже эти люди думают, что в России государство решает за человека где ему работать и на ком жениться. Удивительно, как профессора и профессиональные политики не понимают что такое демократия, но легко готовы убивать людей в других странах из-за того, что кто-то им сказал, что там нет демократии.

Douglas McGregor and Scott Ritter 💪💪💪

I wonder why experts with different points of view were not invited instead of two with almost identical points of view?

“The less emphasis the Western media places on Bakhmut's strategic importance, the more important it is to Russia. Why would the Ukrainians fight so hard for it if it wasn't that important? It has devolved into a meat grinder, in their own words. If it wasn't that important, they could have given up and launched a counterattack to retake other more important Russian-occupied cities.” - Douglas Macgregor

I wonder why the possibility of the war going nuclear was not raised?

If Russia has to give back the annexed territory, dose this apply to Israel?

Look at these fine young men, deciding the future for us old people 💜

Russia is stuck with $145 billions worth oil revenue in Indian rupee which is useless as things stand today, with the only option available being using it for "investments" in India. Only two days ago, for the first time, India paid Russia in Yuan for oil , which helps an enemy country's effort to make it a legitimate currency for international trade

Its kind of a conventional war from russian side and also proxy war from US/EU side. Also reminds of Afghanistan war from the 80s, when US tries to deplete russian resources from the outside

A lot of open and frank comments, like bringing order in house, before preaching others. Good.

There was a disagreement in Russia. The Russian generals are not stupid. They knew exactly that with 150000 troops they have no chance. They learned from the previous 8 years and the other wars. It was the political elite and the KGB circles that blinded the final decision makers. Like in former socialist time or the Germans in the second world war. If politician would listen more carefully to the military professionals, then a lot of mistakes could be avoided...

If memory serves, once upon a time there was a Democratic President who called Russia a regional power and the 2014 Crimea annexation a regional war. What was his name again?

It is curious: Not one word about the disastrous economic consequences facing Europe on account of the sanctions on Russia. The panel discussed possible adverse effects of the war for the US, Ukraine, China, Taiwan, but not one word about the strangulation of the European economy. (Henry Kissinger reportedly pontificated, "It is dangerous to be an enemy of the US; but being an ally may be fatal".)

Well, everybody knows that it's a proxy war, and that if NATO(=USA) decides not to deliver weapons anymore, that than it would be over tomorrow. How the professor can say (answering a question) at about 1:24:00 that Mr Selensky "is not a vessel of the british empire" with a straight face is beyond me...B. Johnson did not represent the british Empire when he disrupted the negotiations from 2022, he represented NATO(=USA)...

I am much more convinced by Mearsheimer's analyses.

I wonder where most people at the Pentagon went to university to get a balanced view of the world?

The dark side of such diskussions are the boring welcome speeches, one has to endure. Here the audience is even punished with 4 (four) of them! Dear CPOST, one is enough, even if it's about a diskussion with such high-ranking guests.

OMG. Is this really the best you've got?

“The Ukrainians are Really tough. The Russians are Really tough. And NATO (the Collective West and the European Union) is Really filthy Rich. That's all the ingredients you need for an Endless war in Europe.” - Brian Eno

They'd left the 'stage' after thanking each other and else ones, so nobody would have wasted their time. Such a big disappointment! Isn't Mr. J.Mearsheimer from that University too, by the way? Where is he?

McFaul is unbearably naive 😂

Everything that you've learned: 'Make a lot of money, have a nice house'. But they never teach you at school how to relate, how to communicate with others, how to share values with others. ...They teach you how to make a living. You become an optometrist, he becomes a physicist, she becomes a structural engineer, he's an architect. In the future, none of that. Everybody is trained to be a generalist, so they understand different cultures, different values, how we get to be the way we are. So no-one can ever use you for war or killing anybody or hurting anybody.

Even the Roman Empire, which didn't have air bases and submarine bases all over the world, suffered from the deadly hubris.

I wonder if Mearsheimer is in the audience as he's at Chicago as well. It would make an interesting discussion.

People who have never traveled anywhere never lived anywhere never spoken with the real people anywhere are going to tell the rest of us what's what.

I was really patient and the first 20 minutes were dedicated to self congratulations and thanking each other. That was followed by lies and propaganda.

15 минут только хвалят друг друга, можно промотать.

FURTENBURG, INC. Supports you .. .. Let's go.

How in the world can the University of Chicago put on a lecture like this, with these speakers and not invite their own John Mearsheimer? It's practically an insult and I don't think it's accidental. He'd make the other speakers very uncomfortable.

An Ambassador to Russia makes such an assessment that Putin wants to rebuild the Russian Empire? What about the expansion of NATO toward Eastern Europe? Putin kept talking about this issue once and again. He is a great statesman who really loves and is devoted to his country. Victory for Russia! (By the way, I am not Russian).

Outstanding presentation. Very well done. Everyone who loves democracy should watch this discussion.

We got a lot of refugees coming in usa. We face a lot problems but still getting more peoples coming into usa I think we are should looking for peace not war every year now on future.

Is he really a professor? Use the US tariff to exchange the relation between Russia and China? I'm suspicious where he got his education.

To react to the last question regarding Hungary: the fact is that Hungary is right, while everybody else is wrong. I know it is hard to believe, but this is how it is. We Hungarians say this is not our war, we as a small nation should not be involved. Hungarian minorities live in Ukraine who are practically kept as hostages and oppressed by Ukraine. This fact creates simpathy with the Russian standpoint as large Russian communities live in Ukraine as well. We know that Ukraine is anything but a Western type democracy. It is actually not any better than the Russian regime. This is not a war of the right and the wrong, the situation is much more complex than that. We can see it better as a direct neighbor to Ukraine. The Russians oppressed two of our freedom fights in the 19th and 20th centuries, so we have no reason to love them. Nonetheless, probably the first time in history we have common interests to protect the rights of our minorities in Ukraine or even better, to let those territories where they live to return to the country where they really belong to.

This message of lies and half truth postulations has been brought to you by the Military Industrial Complex.

Fast forward 15 minutes to get past the introductions

No John Mearsheimer? On this panel? It’s his own School 😅

“The Ukrainian army is Well-prepared and offers worthy resistance.” “Our task is not Bakhmut itself, but the destruction of the Ukrainian army and the reduction of its combat potential, which has an extremely positive effect on other areas, which is why this operation was dubbed the ‘Bakhmut meat grinder’.” - Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of Russia’s Wagner group.

The west should celebrate and positively collaborate with this global awakening

Can't believe people still listen to McFaul

Ukraine IN NATO & EU NOW!!!🇺🇦🇺🇸🇬🇧🇵🇱🇫🇮💕💙💛

Many of the points are made correctly here, thank you for that. In popular opinion though this war often comes down to money and spending and my answer would be - this war could have already ended given the necessary military support (long range missiles etc.). The longer it takes the more expensive it will get. I'm from Lithuania and i've been watching this war closely, listening to Ukrainian reviews every day. I think many Americans have no idea about the level of Ukrainian resolve and, very importantly, about their high ethics during this war (e.g. treating Russian prisoners of war in accordance with UN standards, despite Russians torturing and killing Ukrainian prisoners and population in the most cruel way. So trust me, Ukraine deserves every cent we in the West spend and it deserves victory from every moral point of view. And the sooner they win the less costly it will be.

Here, we are watching well-educated, professional men of political career, eloquently and politely setting the world on fire and blaming it on Russia.

Good solid Republicans preparing us to throw the Ukrainians under the bus.

RU-vid highly recommends this video to me throughout the week. And here I finally am, what did you Americans want to show me here?

One common thread of many analyst's is the dire necessity for Ukraine supporters to pour in the military hardware hard and heavy and NOW!

I think the world vision is utterly different from the west collective.

Why don't all this leaders and politicians send the son's and daughters to Ukraine to fight .

We are the knight of free Realm fight for freedom and democracy God with us .Crusade againts evil East continue

However, we cannot ignore the phone conversation between Nuland and Pyatt indicating USA involvement in regime change in the Ukraine in 2014. For some reason this is often ignored. I would love to see an active analysis by these people of the consequences of that US involvement in regime change and the civil war in Ukraine that came after. I think that if I were a student at Standford I would love to ask Michael this question.

US does not want Ukraine to negotiate. That has been so clear to most, if not all, of the countries in Asia, Africa, and South America.

Will it start?

Very poor debate. Was expecting the moderator to get more out of these high ranking officials. Looks to me more like a masquerade. Meanwhile, the US$ is losing its strategic predominance on international trade. Many countries signing deals to bypass the $$$. The US dollar, once safe haven is now feared across the world b/c of abused US sanctions. In the long-run, how will the US finance its deficit? Beside quantitative easing? Academia is complicit 😢😢

“Russia is not Only demilitarizing Ukraine. Russia is demilitarizing NATO. The Russians created a trash compactor in Ukraine. And basically, the Collective West and NATO are sending Everything (All kinds of lethal weapons, such as Javelin Anti-Tank Missiles, Himars; High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, Abrams tanks, and Leopard tanks) they've got into the trash compactor to be mushed up.” - Garland Nixon

Enjoyed the diacussion and the insights, Thank you very much.

I'm glad to see that, with things like DeSantis talking about "territorial disputes" to appease right-wing isolationists, and peaceniks on the left complaining about military support for Ukraine, there *are* serious-minded people who understand how important what's happening there is to the world order going forward, and to liberal democracies, including the United States, in particular. Freedom isn't free, and when you can protect it by spending your nation's treasure instead of your people's blood, that's a huge bargain.

There is one of main points: "Putin can not win." However, what is considered to be a victory? .. There is a problem of anti-Russian education in Ukraine, the lack of equal rights (between the citizens of Ukraine). .. There was a problem of the lack of security for the population of Donetzk and Lugansk. .. Putin wanted to solve these problems - in a wrong way. .. However, if the West helps Ukraine to win - not solving these problems - that will not lead to a stable peace.

The giggling guy is the president of the university of Chicago, added unique value to the debate! Self congratulating debate!

The biggest farce of our time - 'I don't need a ride, I need ammo'😂

"Bo general to overthrow him" have changed a little in the resent time.

I wanna count how many times these guys say more, mote, more when talking about sending weapons.

Thank you for this very informative discussion. Ukraine must win.

I have recorded this programm because I think it will stand as a milestone for the future generations as to how the American society achieved its peak in terms of decay due to the incestuous collusion between academics and politicians as well as the deep partisanship and therefore intrinsically biased nature of its eductionnal system when it comes to Russia. In this document, we can hear that Russia's invasion is a "non event" because none of the NATO allied states were attacked. And then, a bit later, the same guy says that Russia was attacking Ukraine, an allied NATO state... and no one says a word ! When Russia will prevail, I hope these guys will lose their job or be send to jail for their responsibility in weakening America's infuence, power and reputation.

I would like to see these old men personally suffer long lasting physical, emotional, spiritual,, mental and social harm from this war they are attempting to secure.

The Americans might want to ask themselves: how this hawkish guy happened to be a US ambassador to Russia and a key figure from the American side in relations with Russia? Did it promote peace and understanding or did it contribute to the hostility?

Watching this after watching Mearsheimer is like 30 IQ points drop ... mediocrity at its finest

McFaul appears to be correct about an Imperial Nation struggling to maintain a hold on trade and power. The US recognized the power that BRICS presents to Western exploitation of weaker Nations. The US has been exploiting Latin America since 1898. As the convention of former Colonies of the Western Powers gather for the August BRICS Summit, the appearance of a majority of the Nations that were providing cheap goods to Western Powers, assembles to ask for fair deals. Could this represent the actual significant effects that created Western Inflation? The meetings of Putin and Xi, came directly before Lula traveled to China to discuss the situation with the leader of China. Yes BRICS appears to threaten the Western Powers ability to exploit Nations. Apparently that has motivated the US State Department to create a threat to Russia and China that seems is a bit beyond the ability of the NATO Guys to control? The US struggles to find support for the GDP and as Banks discuss how to create Cash for Customers to pay their Employees, the Ammunition Suppliers ask if they will get paid in cash or simply empty promises? The US began the conflict in 2014 to drain Russia of economic stability, the cost of the efforts appear to have inflicted more damage on the US and the Western Allies, than any economic benefit will provide? What act of desperation will US Spooks inflict on South Africa for their participation in the effort to kill off Colonialism? The cost to overcome Asian Unity is apparently more than the US Budget allows? The $32 million in Hundred Dollar bills distributed to Kurds in 2002 seem to have been a small investment for the Halliburton Investors? The challenges to funding this foolish attempt to cling to Imperial American Hegenomy looks like it has broke the Bank? Granny Yellen claims the Piggy Bank is empty. She appears to be echoing Mike Mansfield telling LBJ that his war on Vietnam, used up all the money that was needed for a War on Poverty? This is not the first Currency Crisis the US has faced..... It may be the last?

US celebrated a win when Soviet was broken....this time its Russia' turn to win...

So this is a discussion of the liberal order and its future. The threat to that order, we're told, is Russia's Special Miliary Operation in Ukraine. Then (at 1.09) Mr Hagel tells us that a big mistake that America has made in uphholding that order is not being sufficiently "aware of a country's culture, it's society, it's religeon, before we invade". Before we invade. The weird thing is that everybody just listens to this and checks their watch and wonders where they're going to eat after the event.

LOL At the pro-Russia question from the dude hiding his face behind the mask 1:24:33

“liberal order” is all I need to see. We know which kind of order these lads want.

Is it me or are there lots of chines options in the first little bit. Is that planed or not.

Civilian casualties on all sides? What does this mean?