The AMRAAM does 2500 knots, which is about 4600 kph or Mach 4. Caught up easily. The platform that launched the AMRAAM would have indicated to the operator to not launch at all if the fire control system calculated there was no or only a very low chance to catch up.
@@SuperChampion333 russia loses about 1000men eacy day to advance few 100m, this before the hard necessary 60bil$ aid will come around, I wouldn't be too enthusiast just yet 😂
@@SuperChampion333 And Ukrainians are asking why Russians are dying so much if they think they are successful. Front lines have surges here and there on both parts...russia just doesnt publicize ukraine doing what it does itself ..bad for public back home. At the end of the day...all these little surges are repelled by both sides and the lines balance again...russia wins here or there...Ukraine wins in other locations.... russia still has not made any inroads equal to what ukraine did last year and only now take back what ukraine took last year...its a stalemate...but this year...Ukraine lets russia overextend...it has 500k more troops...it has F16s arriving since the weekend...it has 68 billion in aid from the US now...and it also has 54 billion euro for this year from EU. Russia is the bogger army...but will lose this war on attrition...along with a lot of member states after the war breaking away. This is the end of the russian union....400 years a sore thumb in Europe...and now a long strategy to destroy it playing out...and russia is losing.
@@placeholdername0000Really what battle are you following? Reading CNN. Still believe in your rubbish weapons. The battle is over. Your weapons are PISpot great
If the AIM-120 is 2 Mach (750 m/s) faster than the Kh-101 at full speed and 10 seconds behind it, it will need 3.6 seconds to fly the distance the Kh-101 will have flown in that time. Then they meet. Since the Kh-101 will have flown some additional 2700 meters at that point, the sound of the explosion will reach the camera some 8 seconds later. So 18 seconds from the Kh-101 passing the camera to the sound of the interception explosion. Simple rule of three math with a bit of adding and subtracting.
You are making a whole lot of assumptions in your calculation. Most of them incorrect. The biggest mistake is assuming that the KH-101 has "only" flown 2700 metres. at 3.6 seconds. Errr.. no! Try again, It's 10 seconds behind, but it will catch it in 3'6 flying at Mach 2. Nope.
@@68Boca The full speed of a Kh-101 is 270 m/s according to wikipedia. The AIM-120 is not going at Mach 2 in my example, I set it at 2 Mach *faster* than the Kh-101 because it is still accelerating and csn therefore not be assumed to fly at its full Mach 4.
At this point it was flying without propulsion, so anything higher than 1Mach creates sonic boom, but you have to keep that in mind, since its losing speed fast at these altitudes
@@hansjorgkunde3772this is misleading. There have been six Khinzal missiles that have been confirmed to have been shot down (missile debris landed in cities, it wasn’t destroyed in a successful strike). 1st, the khinzal isnt a true hypersonic, its just a ballistic missile that goes over Mach 5, similar to German missiles from 1944. A true hypersonic missile is one that flies at Mach 5+ speeds at low altitude and can maneuver. Russias “hypersonic” missile is actually just a ballistic missile, it flies up high, then dives down without good maneuverability and therefor can be shot down using ballistics (missile intercepts it from front not back). Nobody truly has real hypersonic cruise missiles that fly low like this one and can maneuver to dodge air to air missile while still going hypersonic.
@@hansjorgkunde3772 But it's not a kinzhal and nobody would use an amramm to shoot down a kinzhal. That's what patriot systems are for and do very well.
@@prettycoolcat war propaganda. Patriots performance: "During the Abqaiq-Khurais attack in September 2019, the six battalions of Patriot missile defense systems owned by Saudi Arabia failed to protect its oil facilities from attacks by multiple drones and suspected cruise missiles" Saudi Arabia was not pleased. Not a single Kinzhal has been shot down. There are repeatedly claims, but the wreckage shown by Vitali Klitschko mayor of Kiev are clearly not parts of a Kinzhal but more likely a KH-101 subsonic cruise missile.
those leaves look old and tired to me, sunlight is also kinda washed out (i.e. sun has moved south for the winter, more atmo to pass through, makes the sky brighter blue). i'm personally thinking it's mid autumn
In Poland there was over 20C a few weeks ago, and -6C a few days ago, and now many trees look exactly like the ones on the video due to frost damage. So it may be a video even from today.
@@TheGrace020I could never live north, a hate cold, in Serbia there is winter but not that cold but even that is 2 long for me so I go in January 20 days somewhere warmer to cut winter, it was 30 Celsius last few days and there was even days with 30 Celsius in March, in 80s when I was teen there was constant snow like 2-3 months now is like 3-4 days at max so climate deffintly changed a lot
@@dzonikg28 understandable would go away too for a while if i could when the darkness comes thats worse than the cold that you only have like 4-5 hours of light in winter then its pitch black and yes the changes in climate are noticable just the last few years here less snow warmer summer etc
@@TheGrace020 Yes I also hate that winter time change, so I always more then happy when late march come and we switch to summer time. Who invented that winter-summer time make go to hell, it's just depressing when at 5pm Is allready night
YEah this is a better thing to say than "if two trains are moving towards each other and are 5 miles apart, traveling 45kph and 95kph, which will hit ronald mcdonalds' face in detroit". TYVM
Thanks. I really appreciate hearing the sound of these war machines in action. It just adds this whole other dimension to the videos and makes it feel or seem more real as it gets little easier to appreciate how devastating and terrifying these things can be.
Mach 4 is at 36,000 feet Mach 2 near 500 feet, perhaps even a little slower than that. aerodynamic heating and forces on structural components become enormous & expensive to deal with in the dense air near the earth
Not necessarily, it all depends on how far the Khinzal was from its target and given the fact that the footage is so short it really is impossible to say either way.
@@mickg7299That wasn’t a Kinzhal. It was a KH-101. Similar to the US Tomahawk. The Kh has countermeasures such as flares & some variants have EW like a jet. Even if it did catch up maybe it hit & maybe it didn’t
@@Markdmarque 4th Gen fighters are those designed in the 70's and 80's. The F-16 is a 4th gen fighter, just like all of Russias front line aircraft. It has peer capability against Su-27 family and MiG-29's. And its multi-role capability gives it much more functionality than Russian equivalents. The SU-57 is vapourware, barely a squadron of them exists. Production is exceptionally slow. Only a handful have seen combat operations. Basically it's the aerial equivalent of the much lampooned T-14. I don't believe in wunderwaffe or "game-changers", but F-16's certainly bring an important improvement in Ukraines defence against Russia's aggression. Russia simply has failed to achieve air supremacy. F-16's will go someway to offsetting that even further.
The AMRAAM’s max speed is probably when launched from a fighter at high altitude. Launching from ground is going to be a much lower max speed. But that AMRAAM had a sonic boom as it passed the camera, so it was over Mach 1.
Mach is per definition "at the relevant altitude", as it is the speed of sound, which varies with air density. So if the Kalibr can fly at Mach 0.78 and the AMRAAM can fly at Mach 4, then their relative difference will be the same at all altitudes (provided that they actually ARE at the same altitude - which roughly looked to be the case here). And no, the AMRAAM does not need a boost to get to max speed. It spends the majority of it's flight time there. Mach 4 just happens to be the point where wind resistance and thrust output are in equilibrium. Any maneuvering will slow it down.
@@andersjjensen Speed of sound in air varies with temperature, not density. Lower altitude air is generally warmer which is probably how you got the incorrect impression that it varies with density. The air down low is a lot denser (= higher drag) than it is at high altitude, and the AMRAAM's rocket motor produces the same thrust either way (actually it will produce slightly less thrust at low altitude, but the difference is probably not significant). So the missile will go slower and have a shorter range down low, probably topping out at about Mach 2.5. The AIM-120 has a lot of advanced features to make the best use of its engine, including 'lofting' where the missile flies up into the thinner air to minimize drag, then dives back down onto the target once it gets close enough. That helps (and is why the 160 kg AIM-120 fired from NASAMS has the same range as a 700 kg 9M38 missile fired by the SA-11/Buk system) but it can only do so much.
@@andersjjensenMach 4 at low altitude is considerable faster than at height and the air resistence is a lot higher than at high altitude. There is a detailed simulation published in the internet, which estimated the maximum speed of the AMRAAM at low altitude at Mach 3 and a range of ~20 km (if fired from a fighter at Mach 0,8)
@@andersjjensenaim120 is not reaching mach 4 if it’s ground launched without a boaster unless it’s aim120D even it probably doesn’t have a sustained booster that accelerates it to Mach 4
It’s just April. The trees will only be starting to form leaves now. I’ve got quite a similar climate to Kyiv, and the leaves came out last weekend only.
This does a good job of contextualizing the speed difference between these two missiles in particular as well as the general difference between cruise missiles and air-to-air missiles.
@@andersjjensennope amraams are 100% American , but the missile in the vid could literally be anything , could be irist , s300 , literally anything , the image is too unclear to call it an aim120
Depending on version, AIM-120 range can be as low as 50 km when air launched. Ground launched missiles bleed a lot of energy just to get to similar altitude and speed, so range is reduced. Being faster does not mean it did hit.
I suppose that this AMRAAM was launched from a NASAM? Because I don't think that, aside from the F-16s, there is any launching platform capable of using AMRAAMs (without taking into account NASAM)
What the U.S. did to Ukraine by holding back support after promising to defend Ukraine in this very situation is terrible. How many intercepts were missed because of it and how many others died in cities and in the fields? In the aggregate, Europe has failed to hold their promised timelines too. I’m really embarrassed to be American - and to think Trump will force Ukraine to lose by withdrawing all support is the worst feeling. Bless Ukraine.
Trump has to be re-elected first to deny Ukraine further support. It is the duty of every American that actually believes in the Constitution and the laws of this land to prevent Trump, and his associates, from ever again being in a position to wield any kind of power in this country. He and they are a danger not only to this country, but to the world and democracies at large.
The West doesn't have bottomless pits of tax payers money! Our future generations need that for infrastructure for when they are older. The West (which includes you) didn't care about when Russian did it's thing in 2014, it could have been stopped then by the West but it wasn't. Russia holds Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk, they WILL continue to hold those regions if the West allows the war to continue. Russia WILL NOT give those back, they want that as a buffer zone from NATO. They have a bigger supply of meat to send to the front, Ukraine does not. When does land become more important that life? Why are these regions that have been held by Russia since 2014 more important than Ukrainian life AND possibly lives of western countries (money diverted from future generation funding)? Trump is a joke BUT he has a point. Give Putin two options, keep those regions and don't advance and the West will stop weapon aid (then Ukraine joins NATO) OR continue to attack and advance and the West fully commits with boots on the ground and scorched earth. How many more people have to die and live destroyed to take back land that was already taken in 2014???????? Take emotion and hatred out of it and look at it logically.
I don't think Trump will do that thought? His faction would want that, but he has a history of doing what he wants anyway, so he'll probably first try to play peacemaker, fail, and then commit even more to Ukraine while branding it as 'HIS thing'.
@@Ami_BKyou seem to be ignoring the fact that the large bulk of US aid goes back into the US economy and not to Ukraine. The billions being provided as military aid is actually the US giving their older stocks and equipment to Ukraine with the monies being spent on producing new and replacement equipment in the US. How does this not help the US economy? Also, bully boys like PooTin look on concessions as weakness then laugh in your face and keep doing what they're doing because no one is going to stop them. Read history on what happened with Hitler after Chamberlain tried appeasement with him. Perhaps you should get more facts about what the situation is first?
I did the math. The AIM-120 would've caught up with KH-101 approximately 4.64 seconds after passing the camera and almost certainly obliterated it if it did.
The AMRAAM is actually around 6.87 times faster than the Kh-101. The Kh-101 has a cruising speed of around 200 m/sec, while the AMRAAM is 11,372 m/sec.
@@jukeseyable That's what we were all saying about the possibility of Storm Shadows, and before that, HAARM. In both cases, the Ukrainians told us "hold my Horilka" and successfully deployed them from their old soviet-made jets. In the HAARM case, likely in a reduced capability mode, but none the less... The AIM-120 does have firing modes that allows it to operate without guidance integration from a launch platform (but it would be a bit of a waste unless you've run out of other things, since you're basically sacrificing almost all things that make the 120 "better"). That said, I'm not convinced it's an AIM-120. I see no reason it couldn't be one of many other things, and the Ukrainians aren't lacking in experience of missile manufacture and have domestically produced equivalents. The fact that the motor is burning in the shot means this was launched right there - we might even be seeing the launch but the video doesn't quite capture the launching platform. If I recall correctly, it's 6-8 seconds burn on the 120, but it's old memories. The sound certainly sounds like the _start_ of a rocket burn.
@@danielAgorander pls believe me when i say this, and rest assured what follows is not in any way an attack on you but your comment reveals your level of understanding that is what is involved here, I can assure you its essentially 0. So some questions for you to think about and come back to me with some answers, i dont know is a perfictly good answer. So firstly how are Storm Shadow, HARM and AMMRAM guided? With consideration of this what do each of those different missiles need from the launch aircraft 1 to enable a launch? 2 What do they need to be provided for guidence to the target. (a little heads up here. the russian cyrilic alphabet is totally different to the alphabet used in western counteries. Yes i apprieciate cmputers are all 1s and 0s, but think about it?
I thought the AMRAAM was going to have been fired from the ground, and have been in the air a couple seconds already. Did we have confirmation of AMRAAM being grafted onto MiG-29s and Su-27s yet?
@@totalNERD-eo7wx no. Why would say that? There is nothing that indicates this. Ukraine got NASAMS last year and will get a lot more now. Its a great GBAD system that can use old stock missiles of various types which can come from any country flying US planes and looks to replace the old stuff with newer models.
@@Ganiscol No, I was saying it looks like it was launched from the air, because the missile appears to be on burn in level flight, and if it were launched by a NASAMS it would almost certainly be gliding toward its target.
@@totalNERD-eo7wx I think it only appears to be on burn because we're just not used to the sight/sound of missiles in supersonic glide from a stationary position... _(that "puff" could be it dropping from 2.0 to 1.9 mach but otherwise I don't see any kind of exhaust trail to indicate it's still boosting)_ -- edit: I thought the apparent "acceleration" was just an illusion from the photography but now I'm not so sure...
AIM-120 I heard a distinct sonic boom. Frame count of the same sky scanned, someone can crunch some numbers & make an educated guess of how many seconds that 120 caught up to the 101 & how many km it was down range. Based off first branches to the roofline for the 101, the time between the appearance of the 120 & then the time travel from the same 1st branches to the roofline (in frame count).
Rear aspect intercept generally means late detection especially regarding slow/low movers. The AMRAAM seems to still be in the boosting phase. The guy was very lucky to be able to film this shot ...
I wondered how they knew to point the camera back for the 2nd one, because they wouldn't hear the amraam coming. Maybe they saw them both in the sky before filming.
Less than 5 seconds till BOOM 💥 Without using the stats and just counting how long each missile took to cross the view and how long between them being visible. Ukraine missile crossed the screen 3+ seconds faster than the cruise missile; Ukraine missile crossed the distance well under two seconds; there was less than 7 seconds between each one disappearing. By these rough timings it will pesimistically take 2 x 2sec of Ukrainian missile travel to make up that approx 6sec head start. Surprised the vid didn't record the sound of the interception boom.
@Suchomimus • Jack: This is definitely interesting. There are so many aspects to war that it is hard to keep track of everything. And as innovations keep coming up from the ebikes of the Ukrainian snipers last year to the Russian golf carts, war's evolutions challenge us even more. Thanks for keeping your eye out for the unusual. Slava Ukraini. Heroyem Slava. 💪🇺🇦🕊🌻 P.S. You have very engaged, intelligent viewers from the comments. Some are braggarts who think they know more than they actually do. Some are very knowledgeable and great communicators.
A suggestion: if the footage is all portrait, perhaps just make your video portrait too. I’m no fan of vertical video but that will result in it being the same size in desktop, where you can’t rotate the screen, and about 4x larger on mobile, where you can
Yes, based upon their approximate speed and time elapsed between the missiles, the amraam would have caught up with the cruise missile about 1.8 seconds after the camera filmed the amraam.
10 sec difference in their travel. Cruise was going prob around 0.7 mach and aim120 was more than likely going mach +- mach 1.8 so i'd guestimate maybe 10-14 seconds after the amraam past the camara to get the boom of the intercept
What I find interesting here is the massive feat of getting a supersonic AMRAAM on a phone camera. I used to live one valley over from the valley that subsonic A-6 intruders flew down for training. And even knowing about where they'd be, and being able to use sound as a warning of their approach it was not exactly easy to spot them with the mark-one eyeball. Back then we didn't have phone cameras but pointing a phone camera at a fast-moving target is a lot harder than just looking at it. And even at high subsonic speeds you have to hear the sound and then look ahead of where the sound seems to be coming from to find the aircraft, at supersonic speeds the missile would be well past before one heard it.
