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Here's EVERYTHING you need to know about your new FAVORITE pants...Chinos!
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@MensFashioner
@MensFashioner Год назад
See my picks and get personalized help here: mfer.link/ugchinos
@garrydye2394
@garrydye2394 Месяц назад
Your pick is a $260 pair of Chino's. I'm rich but not dumb.
@meneedmoney
@meneedmoney Год назад
love every single vid youve been helping me with building my wardrobe
@gabrieldepallens9914
@gabrieldepallens9914 Год назад
Great video. I really like the look of the chinos and how versatile they are. Thank you so much on bringing up so much options
@istp1967
@istp1967 Год назад
Tan chinos, navy polo shirt and brown chukkas with matching belt is my Go To, everyday wear.
@SkystheLimit87
@SkystheLimit87 Год назад
Thank you Ashley! I need to invest in some new chinos so this video came out at just the right time :)
@wileyallen1545
@wileyallen1545 Год назад
Great id Ashley! I won’t wear boat shoes unless Im actually on deck. My favs are old school Polo classic tans but also have a couple of blues just because. Im going to look into a couple of more colours just to round it out. Thanks!
@NelsonChiriboga
@NelsonChiriboga Год назад
Just needed this video!! Thank you Ashley :)
@josephrivera8977
@josephrivera8977 Год назад
As always, great video. I do really appreciate how you remember the larger guys. We do like to dress nice as well.
@asjohnseesit
@asjohnseesit Год назад
I'm 49 and I've just bought my first pair of chinos, so far I've been very impressed by the comfort. But I just can't bring myself to wear sockless loafers I think I'd feel like I was trying to dress like a young guy or a hipster 😅
@kmw5100
@kmw5100 Год назад
loafers with no shows definitely give a hipster vibe, and loafers in general with like a dressy sock or something make me think elderly man. I think if you're dressing up your look with chinos some sort of boot is the way to go. I'm pretty fond of chukkas with mine.
@cristinelgheorghiu5294
@cristinelgheorghiu5294 Год назад
Chinos and linen pants and shorts are my ..go to, summer items! Good video!
@TheBillyDWilliams
@TheBillyDWilliams Год назад
All these pictures of 2015 skintight pants are hilarious
@kmw5100
@kmw5100 Год назад
I know this video is more about the chinos. But i've been watching a lot of style videos to try and change up my stale wardrobe, and so often loafers are recommended but I just cannot imagine myself wearing loafers ever. Gives me real estate/dad/grandpa vibes.
@AverageNiceGuy
@AverageNiceGuy Год назад
Thank you Ashley. I've been loving my Bonobos 2.0 Chinos (stretchy) And chinos shorts, for myself, and my special needs son 😎 I've noticed that we are treated better when we dress nice 👍
@DylanMadd
@DylanMadd Год назад
Wearing a Bonobos shirt right now. Great company!!
@richlrn64
@richlrn64 Год назад
I really like and appreciate your videos, Ashley. They are spot on, get to the point, not too long and very helpful. Thanks.
@karlr750
@karlr750 Год назад
I agree that chinos are far lighter and cooler than jeans during the warm months. In a warm climate, that makes them the preferred choice for almost the entire year.
@philipstewart2993
@philipstewart2993 Год назад
Great Vid. As a man of a certain age chinos are pretty much my casual go to. So thanks for that 👍
@slisyd
@slisyd Год назад
I have over 10 chinos i love them. Only got into them around 4 to 5 years ago and i have not looked back since.
@richardcard82
@richardcard82 Год назад
4:39 Those are chinos from a company called RGT, they make great jeans and jackets, on the pricier side but one of my all time favorite clothing companies, they make the supply jacket that was seen in No Time To Die worn by James Bond and also in Project Adam
@sdmugabe
@sdmugabe Год назад
Best fashion advice I've gotten-gratitudes
@ChrisBicourt1
@ChrisBicourt1 Год назад
Ashley your content is getting better and better! For example, this guide is so comprehensive compared to how deep some of the other men's style channels go.
@joer8273
@joer8273 Год назад
I’m here again Ashley to applaud your incredible time commitment in adding tons of helpful photos. You’re prob sick of me by now, but seriously, they are so incredibly helpful.
@timikarawatson5510
@timikarawatson5510 Год назад
Joggers with o socks
@MensFashioner
@MensFashioner Год назад
Never sick of hearing how helpful the content is! xoxoxo
@olixx1846
@olixx1846 Год назад
I like looking like a waiter
@rebmaster899
@rebmaster899 Год назад
they will give u tips
@johnnyesleo
@johnnyesleo Месяц назад
Heck yesss 😂
@stylishoversixty9459
@stylishoversixty9459 Год назад
Definitely a very informative video on what chinos pants are and are not much appreciated...I curious what are your thoughts on drawstring pants as smart casual wear for spring/summer clothing thanks for the video
@LorenSwendsen
@LorenSwendsen 2 месяца назад
Thanks for the knowledge Ashley 🙌🏼
@simenandreasknudsen9272
@simenandreasknudsen9272 Год назад
Great video! I agree with you on most of your opinions but I think black chinos look awesome. Very natural color that goes with everything. I can recommend chinos from Shaping New Tomorrow. Very cool material and they sit perfectly
@mistermastermind528
@mistermastermind528 Год назад
Yeah, I get confused sometimes when she talks about black chinos. The waiter comment is more of a jab on black trousers, black vest/bowtie, and white button up shirts-a very specific combination. However, I do find black chinos a bit challenging when it comes to combining with footwear colors, not so much on tops. Navy blue chinos, I find, are more difficult to pair a top with though.
@goldenhospitality8521
@goldenhospitality8521 9 месяцев назад
@@mistermastermind528 I agree. I bought a pair of navy chinos a while ago and I find it really hard to pair them. I did find white tees and buttom shirts to work well with them but thats obviously a bit boring
@michaelyang838
@michaelyang838 Год назад
@Ashley, please make a guide on hemming pants and what type of break we should have for pants type, etc
@bsh1967
@bsh1967 Год назад
I own at least a dozen pair of chinos and wear them nearly every day. They are far more comfortable than jeans and since I work in a business casual environment and no longer need to wear a suit, I can either pair them with a oxford cloth button down or a polo shirt and a pair of loafers or camp mocs. On weekends, they work just as well with a t-shirt and my Stan Smiths.
@mle3857
@mle3857 Год назад
What is your favorite brand of chinos?
@bsh1967
@bsh1967 Год назад
@@mle3857 I like the slim fit ones from The Gap and tapered fit from Banana Republic.
@capresti3537
@capresti3537 Год назад
A dozen pair? LMAO. Thats just crazy, nobody needs that many Chinos.
@bsh1967
@bsh1967 Год назад
@@capresti3537 Less laundry 😂
@guitar300k
@guitar300k 5 месяцев назад
@@bsh1967 I have few but not because less laundry but for the colors
@galaticoera7022
@galaticoera7022 Год назад
Love your videos Ash Been watching your videos for years Would love it if you could do a video on mens gymwear I really struggle with what to wear to the gym
@capresti3537
@capresti3537 Год назад
Going to the gym does not need style it's not going to town a day with a friend or business party A pair of shorts a bandana and your good to go. I dont understand this silly question.
@algonzalez6436
@algonzalez6436 Год назад
Ashley, I love your videos. Can you please make a video on 5 pocket pants for summer. I think the look slimmer and more youthful on men than the chinos you’ve mentioned most of the summer. Thanks!!!
@capresti3537
@capresti3537 Год назад
Ashley she said she does not recommend chinos with extra pockets it looks horrible and i agree.
@mike-365
@mike-365 Год назад
Black chinos are useful to have. You can wear them to funerals with a black long sleeve sweater. It's a good alternative if you're not in a mood to suit up. You can also wear them with a different color blazer for a formal look.
@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Год назад
I guess it depends on how many funerals you go to. I've never been to one.
@new2000car
@new2000car Год назад
Yes they do make you look like a valet, but that’s a refreshing change.
@capresti3537
@capresti3537 Год назад
Black Chinos are not casual and look horrible it makes people look like a valet or waiter. I would never wear one.
@guitar300k
@guitar300k 5 месяцев назад
yeah, I love chinos, it fit me perfectly, it the only pant I'm wearing now
@EJ20VF39
@EJ20VF39 Год назад
I am the Chino expert. I’ve worn chinos since 1990, and back then the best were from Banana Republic. This was when BR was mostly safari wear, so the chinos were great quality with cuffed hems. After that JCrew became the go to. Always pair them with Converse Jack Purcells, until now. It’s a classic style that’s timeless. My recommendation today would be Wallace and Barnes Officer’s Chino from JCrew. They are perfect! Not high or low waisted with just a slight taper, and comes with button fly. For warmer weather the Todd Snyder Modern Chino. Drawstring with cuffed hems, and a good amount of taper to wear with sockless sneakers. BTW, white chinos are my favorite. I don’t know why you don’t like them. White is classy, nautical, and very dapper.
@henrymorales6680
@henrymorales6680 8 месяцев назад
What brand would u recommend between 50-80$ brand who ships to eu ?
@EJ20VF39
@EJ20VF39 7 месяцев назад
@@henrymorales6680 It’s tough to find a well made pair in that price range. I would check JCrew, and Ralph Lauren when it’s on sale.
@KavaKavana
@KavaKavana Год назад
Levi’s 502 sta prest pant is the original chino that Steve McQueen made famous. Good luck finding them. Also the Levi’s 508 line 6 is a Jean cut chino that copied the 502. Both are lightly tapered and come in a variety of colors. 502 and 508 make cords too. These are the only casual pants I buy and both are technically discontinued. If given a choice always opt for 508 ( more comfortable). Also the 502 make a denim which I recommend against but the 508 jeans are great.
@BigBenn2014
@BigBenn2014 2 месяца назад
I was surprised they weren’t re-released when Daniel Craig wore them in Quantum of Solace. An opportunity missed by Levi.
@mikefuller5115
@mikefuller5115 Год назад
Ashley I'm just trying to figure out what do you recommend to pair with tropical shirts I have a lot of those for during my summer months anywhere from flowers to pineapples on them
@j-dropthedancer9491
@j-dropthedancer9491 Год назад
I actually just bought my first pair of tan and olive green chinos the other day. This really helps a lot THANK YOU😀
@Sungroove
@Sungroove 6 месяцев назад
Yellow gold dress shirt with navy blue chinos is my go to
@yamahapiano
@yamahapiano Год назад
The color of your shirt is gorgeous on you!
@jproog41
@jproog41 Год назад
Another video with great content! However, in the middle of the summer, it's WAAAYYYY tooo hot where I am (Northeast US) to wear.
@rockygabriel7096
@rockygabriel7096 Год назад
In my country all waiters wear tan, khaki, beige chinos.... All hotel security guard wear chinos... All parking vale wear grey chinos.....and janitors wear green chinos... The only safe color is black 😁.....
@griffin955
@griffin955 Год назад
Best chinos I wear are from L'estrange. They're not called chinos but they are great technical pants with a nice fit in the right places
@timothythompson9505
@timothythompson9505 Год назад
What would you suggest for fit with a more muscular build? I have a pair of chinos that are bit more snug around the thigh and calf, but they’re still super comfortable.
@CRUSH71
@CRUSH71 Год назад
One thing I can't get on board with is the sockless trend, otherwise I agree with everything you said.
@taz09216
@taz09216 Год назад
its not sockless, its ankle socks so its not visible.
@CRUSH71
@CRUSH71 Год назад
@@taz09216 I don't care for the sockless look with long pants.
@davidseck1146
@davidseck1146 Год назад
I disagree with the black chinos. It's relative to how you dress them up/down. The rest of it I'm on board with.
@singhshredz
@singhshredz Год назад
black chinos rock i agree with ya! highly versatile
@Enzor1515
@Enzor1515 Год назад
🗣️ real talk , but she did a good job setting ppl on the right path
@alarikaguilar7543
@alarikaguilar7543 7 месяцев назад
Agreed.
@866reg
@866reg 13 дней назад
I like black 🎉
@katkane7448
@katkane7448 Год назад
My partner has a wedding to attend in September. It's an outdoor, uneven terrain, dressy casual wedding. Would he be able to wear chinos with a blazer of some sort? I really need help.
@mprkayew4286
@mprkayew4286 Год назад
Great video.Thank you
@peterhess2610
@peterhess2610 6 дней назад
I just bought a pair of gray chinos to go with my hair😊
@KrzysztofTwardosz
@KrzysztofTwardosz Год назад
great video. keep it going.
@grandadslifehacks8992
@grandadslifehacks8992 7 месяцев назад
Do you have an opinion on Dockers Jean Cut Pants? The Dockers say they are made with All Seasons Tech fabric, which is a twill: 60% Cotton, 37% Sorbtek® 365 Polyester, 3% Elastane. The Dockers are only $58.
@earthsteward9
@earthsteward9 Год назад
Hammer time!
@michaelmcgehee5932
@michaelmcgehee5932 Год назад
@mensfashioner PLEASE put out a video on how to wear a sports jacket casually and the different types of sports jackets. I've tried this with a black blazer and jeans and it just DOES NOT look right and there are no good videos that I've found explaining this, BUT I LOVE the look when it's done right. PLEASE HELP! Also, where can I find shorts above the knee? I hate this below the knee shorts look that is everywhere now and I can't seem to find any "90s shorts"? Even Ralph Lauren doesn't carry them. Sincerely, A gentleman In Need
@MensFashioner
@MensFashioner Год назад
Done many videos on blazers and sport coats and even done a few business casual videos that includes them. Search the channel!
@michaelmcgehee5932
@michaelmcgehee5932 Год назад
@@MensFashioner How a blazer should fit (6 yrs ag) The navy blazer/sports coat (6 yrs ago) 3 types of blazers every man should own (3 yrs ago) Ultimate men's jacket guide (8 months ago) 5 best spring jackets for men (4 months ago) 3 best fall jackets every guy needs in his closet (1 yr ago) Best mens fall jackets for 2019 (2 yrs ago) I did "search the channel!" before asking. So...where again is the "how to wear a sports jacket casually video, again...or "videos" as you said?? Like the one on chinos that I'm replying from. It has extensive information on one topic. Thanks so much! :-)
@galaticoera7022
@galaticoera7022 Год назад
Hey Ash Can you do a video on gymwear please?
@thembafreedom2463
@thembafreedom2463 Год назад
Now I watch And because it help you I didn't know but now I knw I wil watch them not skip them 😃
@jaimelopezguraieb7877
@jaimelopezguraieb7877 Год назад
what dou you think about the AO Joggers from Cuts or that kind of brands?
@adamschwery1065
@adamschwery1065 Год назад
@mensfashioner Love your videos. What are your thoughts on bigger guys cuffing the chinos? Simple roll or tight rolling? Thank you!
@MensFashioner
@MensFashioner Год назад
Definitely wouldn't tight roll them, would make your bottom half look odd compared to the top. Try some options and post on the community for feedback, we're a very supportive bunch over there!
@jonstern7511
@jonstern7511 Год назад
Great advice if (dare I say) a very standard generic look (like much Ashley advice) like everyone else us wearing and without much individuality?
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 Год назад
Switched all my pants to chinos now
@extreme95k
@extreme95k Год назад
Something that I've always struggled with is being flat footed so finding a shoe that's stylish that doesn't mess your feet has been a struggle. Video recommendations?
@joelman1989
@joelman1989 Год назад
Have you tried Ecco shoes? Or really look for shoes with removable soles so you can put custom orthotics in them. Something like the Adidas super stars would work here. Or the New Republic Kurt. Both affordable options with removable soles. For more premium options you can look to Greats Royale or Koio Capri. Greats are a little wider naturally and Koio comes with wide options. I know a lot of flat footed people also have wide feet so I bring it up. Thursday boots also have wide options especially for their captain model.
@mohamedalkaboom
@mohamedalkaboom 4 месяца назад
Definitely do white chinos. It goes with every colour shirt and shoes
@dariocarafa3788
@dariocarafa3788 Год назад
I think the best part about this video is every single dude you've shown is a model in great shape. You know what looks good on models who are in good shape: everything. I'm in okay shape certainly not as good a shape as I was when I was 21 but I have a feeling I'm not going to look as good as those fellas. Thanks anyway cute video I guess
@AnthonyJames7
@AnthonyJames7 Год назад
Thanks my lady!
@Gunnl
@Gunnl Год назад
What's a good chino from heavy-weight fabric, for winter, for someone in Europe ?
@chadbailey7038
@chadbailey7038 Год назад
Essential rules Everyman should know. 👏🏾
@mle3857
@mle3857 Год назад
Is there a brand that you recommend? I just want to get on line and order some today. Having tough time finding any in the stores in Boise. Thank you!
@Anonymous_McNugget
@Anonymous_McNugget Год назад
I know this seems more directed to her but I honestly recommend the Amazon Essential chinos since they have both a regular and slim fit model and the inseam goes all the way down to 28 for the shorter guys up to 34 and the waist is 28-42 for like $25 or so
@Ray03595
@Ray03595 Год назад
banana republic factory have served me well. idk waht the current price is but they have pretty regular sales
@swunt10
@swunt10 Год назад
@@Anonymous_McNugget I hate the amazon essential chinos. They are made of this horrible stretch plastic fabric and are tailored badly somehow. Just no.
@minimalisthealth
@minimalisthealth 10 месяцев назад
What about wearing them with brown brogues. I've never quite liked the white sneakers look
@_aqeel_b2193
@_aqeel_b2193 Год назад
I have bad skin around the ankles, so I wear light weight socks. I cannot go sockless or wear no show socks
@atlas11111
@atlas11111 Год назад
Can you wear "Vans Slip On" in black or white?
@onis1805
@onis1805 Год назад
Hi, for shoes could it be paired with neutral trainer?
@stephan384
@stephan384 3 месяца назад
Would like to know the brand of those button fly multi-color chinos display at 2:56 time frame..?
@davidmun1601
@davidmun1601 Год назад
Thank you
@notyoungnotold3730
@notyoungnotold3730 Год назад
Those guys look like carrots in those chinos. The pants are sitting on their hip bones, then they drastically taper to the ankle. A higher waist, a pleat or 2, less to No taper, a pre-cuffed hem looks nice. I don’t get the hate for it.
@rondejean7668
@rondejean7668 Год назад
Sounds like you just prefer dress slacks.
@capresti3537
@capresti3537 Год назад
You have horrible sense of style.
@dgreenin408
@dgreenin408 Год назад
Which brand is the best for a mature man?
@mbogucki1
@mbogucki1 Год назад
Where did this trend in no socks/shoes come from and why is every guy showing ankles?
@new2000car
@new2000car Год назад
Ok grandma.
@praetorian9196
@praetorian9196 Год назад
They transform in women's now! :))))
@kippreggelogan9570
@kippreggelogan9570 2 месяца назад
Because we want to.
@itsmemurder7704
@itsmemurder7704 Год назад
I am from a different country so the currency difference just to much for me also I'm 17 but my mother is a tailor I think she can make me a chino pants the only problem is chosing the frabrics is cotton twill a one type fabric?
@klasykapolskiegohh8798
@klasykapolskiegohh8798 Месяц назад
Chinos, plain tshirt and a blazer is what I like
@picci8
@picci8 Год назад
You can definitely wear black chinos well, and that is not where the name “chinos” came from, but there is some great styles here
@Wind-lx8zb
@Wind-lx8zb Год назад
Ashley, What chinos would you recommend for a guy like me w/ 30" waist, 17.75" calves?
@spoolpan
@spoolpan Год назад
a khaki ones
@ChristopherDH
@ChristopherDH Год назад
Black Chinos are great
@Mike-vt7si
@Mike-vt7si Год назад
Hey ! Where should I keep my stuff (phone, keys, AirPods, wallet, etc.)while wearing chinos? Really hate caring everything in pockets, especially when there is no jacket on me.
@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Год назад
White minimalist leather fanny pack
@Mike-vt7si
@Mike-vt7si Год назад
@@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou yeah. I thought about it, but it kinda destroying look if you wear it over a polo or a bottom up short. It’s working only over a casual T-short in my opinion.
@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou
@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou Год назад
@@Mike-vt7si I was actually joking (poking fun at Ashley's love of white minimalist sneakers), but, honestly, the truth is that there is no option considered "stylish" for men, and that sucks. I think we need to break the stigmas against "man bags", because it's not fair that stuffing items into our pockets is the only "acceptable" option, and even then, it ruins the silhouette of our pants. Even cargo pants-something that allows us to carry everything comfortably without carrying around a bag deemed as feminine or dorky-are condemned mercilessly by folks such as Ashley. The only acceptable solution seems to be "carry less stuff", which is impractical (or at least, not ideal) for many situations. For instance, I rarely wear sunglasses because I want it to be in a secure location (i.e., a dedicated case) when I'm not using it-I don't just want it dangling from my pants pocket or shirt placket.
@cristinelgheorghiu5294
@cristinelgheorghiu5294 Год назад
I had these issue myself, no matter how yiu try they will look bulky and feel heavy in your pants( especially chinos). So i purchased a small sports style bag( Under Armour) with a shoulder strap and problem solved! There are those one with a strap around the waist...but not for me thanks! Hope will help
@joeo7257
@joeo7257 2 месяца назад
Most of those Chinos were a few inches short. ...and suckles look on long pants? Not for me. Great video. I learned allot.
@robertschneider2189
@robertschneider2189 Год назад
Well done
@spotsill
@spotsill Год назад
I agree with you on every other guy but I can’t find any fits or brands that work on my odd build that are not frumpy or to tight there is no in between 😵‍💫😵‍💫🍻🍻.
@defining_moments
@defining_moments Год назад
How do you feel about chinos with Jordan 1’s high!?
@moneymakinmitch8130
@moneymakinmitch8130 Год назад
Not it
@Ray03595
@Ray03595 Год назад
if you're a younger guy you could prob get away with it. i'd say it depends on the whole outfit. Generally chinos look best with simple sneakers/boots/loafer
@ryanmcdevitt7059
@ryanmcdevitt7059 9 месяцев назад
Im a year late but that was thoroughly helpful. Thank yoy
@mercuriallimit
@mercuriallimit Год назад
I have sand color chinos but i feel awkward if i fold them up like demonstrated
@amritpainuali2589
@amritpainuali2589 Год назад
Thankyou
@chuckcribbs3398
@chuckcribbs3398 4 месяца назад
I wish you would leave the images up longer. You’re just flying through them and I’m trying to take notes in my head. Hard to take in what you provide as good examples when it’s only up for a split second. Carry on.
@mana2k1
@mana2k1 9 месяцев назад
I love chinos
@santosmares6419
@santosmares6419 8 месяцев назад
Could you wear a pair of chinos with cowboy boots?
@martinperez2346
@martinperez2346 Год назад
❤️love you
@ronaldbrashears9866
@ronaldbrashears9866 Год назад
Can I get a straight leg but not baggy at the ankle?
@buddymac3993
@buddymac3993 Год назад
New fashion statement? Be the first to wear them back to front,fly to the back just to make a statement!!!Juat do not FORGET you are making a fashion statement!!!
@alexlopez8613
@alexlopez8613 Год назад
Man I'm stock with two brand new black ones. 🤷‍♂🤷‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂Oh well! I do have most of the colors recommended though
@cheach8027
@cheach8027 Год назад
Does anyone know what the chinos at 2:56 are?
@rpols22
@rpols22 3 месяца назад
Due to how almost every company designs pants nowadays, it is almost impossible for the bigger guys to wear ANY pants without a belt. The companies only design stuff for lean people.
@michaelangelosumang1617
@michaelangelosumang1617 Год назад
Nice hairstyle
@fubarace1027
@fubarace1027 Год назад
Not sure about the boat shoe recommend, but good video otherwise, thanks!
@andrew1212w
@andrew1212w Год назад
I have several 👍
@cfsrueda9349
@cfsrueda9349 Год назад
There is no way i will wear chinos in summer in Shanghai. Here is temperature goes around 50 degrees celsius + humidity. For the rest of the year chinos are a good option to have in the closet, with jeans and other types of pants.
@PrecursorLegend
@PrecursorLegend 9 месяцев назад
Showing ankles in chinos looks terrible on most guys unless they’re at the beach. I have a feeling this trend will be something we look back on in 10 years going “wtf were people thinking?”
@DylanMadd
@DylanMadd Год назад
Don’t know if my butt it so freaking flat, or if my lower back is a lot uglier and fatter than I imagine, but chinos (all pants really) constantly settle into a sag. It’s annoying. Belt or not, fit or not. Can’t explain it. I’m 5’8” and it’s kinda hard to find well fitting pants. A 30 length seems to always mean wider or heavier body type than mine.
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