After seeing a guy on reddit get a bottle explode on him and thoroughly coat his eyeballs I'm kinda leary about getting into this side of 3D printing. I had no idea that the bottles could rupture like that but it should be known before diving into this.
@@PLr1c3r read the Safety Data Sheet on these resins and be extremely careful. I do gloves, goggles and apron - I know I gave you a visual of the Muppet "Beaker" but this stuff is pretty dangerous if it gets on you. Print safe!
You should try the new sheet and fast resin with a previous gen resin printer and see if you can just use it to speed up the prints of an older printer.
I was thinking the same, but I believe we will have to go strong in the UV power cause the exposure time will be so low and those new screens have a better light source.
If it's 12k could you compair the prints to a same size printer that's 8k, 6k and 4k maybe? I really would like to see the differences in quality between them.
the wavelength of the UV at this point is whats limiting it. 4k and above provide very very little extra print quality, its all marketing at this point
Another thing to add, is the newer screens are much more expensive when (not if) they need replacing... 4K screens are easier to find and cheaper. Something else to consider.
Well part of the 12K benefit is that we are at a larger build volume. You aren't really getting extra resolution over a say 4K printer unless you print at that same build volume. We would really need to break this down to something like pixels per inch^2 to make an accurate comparison.
@@VesuviasV Sure but I specifically said compaired to the same size print sizes. Like a mono x 4k, 6k or a phrozen mighty 8k. These are all about the same sizes.
Anycubic apparently passed these things out like Halloween candy to RU-vid presenters and now I’m seeing what might be confused with advertising. This presentation is the best so far. From my perspective, I’m learning all the things wrong with my earlier model Anycubic. I’ll trade up if they take trade-ins.
I was almost tempted away from my Saturn 2s for a moment, but the speed really seems to be much closer to what you'd expect when you do smaller layer heights. When everything I do is at .03mm, it's not quite something to jump ship for yet.
Got my new M5s set up today and have been printing non-stop with the High Speed resin and so far no issues whatsoever. Even printed some items at 100 um and the resolution was phenomenal, considering the insane speeds.
I'm so stoked for high speed, high detail resin printing making its way down to desktop printers!!! My wife got me a Mars 2 Pro when they were on sale last year & I was instantly hooked. I just want a world where I can crank out massive high speed, high detail resin prints for fairly cheep and my FDM printing is relegated to nothing but hard structural prints or flexible TPU prints.
I would love to know how much will a screen replacement cost for this printer considering the M3 Premium 10.1" 8k screen retails at $140. Taking that into account, early bird price seems like a pretty good bang for the buck.
That is the reason I will never buy any Anycubic products again. They screw you on replacement parts. They also abandon their old products really quickly. I needed a 2-inch wire for my filament run out sensor. They wanted $25 USD for it. Crazy.
Exciting to see the 12K printer, but there is a small question: The pixel sizes are often very close, but the printer is 1/(11520/218) x 1/(5120/123) which suggests 18.92um by 24.02um, so the y-axis resolution is almost 20% less than on the x-axis, does it affect the printing precision in some way?
So excited! I just bought this a little while ago, for $379. I got the early bird discount plus another $20 discount! And was able to take advantage of the buy 3 for the price of 2 High Speed Resin!! Woohoo! By the way, while purchasing this printer on the Anycubic site, I put this printer into the cart, it showed up at $678, then I added a second printer to the cart and it then showed the discounted price. So I'm assuming the normal price for this printer, after early bird deals, will be $678 U.S. Dollars.
@@balkenkreuz2063 It was just a browser extension app. I believe this particular one was the Capital One app or the Honey app. Can't recall exactly which one, but it gave an additional $20 discount.
While you are there you should review the resin. The Anycubic Craftsmen Resin is low viscosity as is their DLP Resin. I suppose we will get a 12K Resin soon. You have claimed the new FEP and resin allow for the faster prints. You can put those on any printer, put them on the Mage Pro and see what you get.
Can you explain the difference between the pixel resolution depending on the axis, this is taken from the official specs: 1/(11520/218) x 1/(5120/123) which suggests 18.92um by 24.02um, so the y axis resolution is almost 20% less than on the x axis?
Nice ! I'm wondering if we can still use flexible build plate with it ? And use others resins like ABS-Like or Siraya Blu ? Thank again for your videos ! :)
You’ll be able to use any resin but you won’t get the high speed. Also, the speed really only works on low detail prints (0.1 for resin? What’s the point of a 12k screen then)
12K? 12? Where have I been? There's 12K screens now? Where did they get those? Oh man, I mean I think at this point we are beyond the resolution we can actually detect with the naked eye! Joel, you are so cool and it was awesome to finally meet you at PUG last week.
12K,... "Monochrome" screens - pixel count is about the same as a 5K RGBW screen, only for the colour screens you count the colours as a group, here the individual elements are counted.
That's great, that 0.1mm layer height model printed at 18.066 layers per minute. My 10.3" 8K Nova3D Whale3 SE using Aorita ACF did a full build plate of models (one was Fotis Mint "V" bust and base, the other a detailed replica of an M4 which had many parts that needed to precisely fit together), at 0.05mm layer height, at 17.78 layers per minute, with fantastic detail and accuracy. I could probably reasonably make it faster 20% faster before running in to trouble... I only used 'conventional' Nova3D Grey Ceramic Water Washable resin for that print. So it's a combination of the ACF and a good printer. (By the way, ACF doesn't seem to make the "FEP pop" noise.)
@@edmundcheow760 I answered shortly after you asked your question and RU-vid "ate" it, sorry. Lift heights 3-5mm, lift and retract speeds 120-240 mm/min., generally depending on what I'm printing.
So it means there will be ACF film replacements available from Anycubic so you can retro-fit it to other printers to use higher motor speeds? Interesting! 😅
I'd love to see some of the BIG Artisan Guild or Loot Studios Minis :) :) Thank you for making it once again harder upgrading to a new printer... Still can't decide if I want to wait for a cheaper DLP-Printer or get an Anycubic one :(
One concern I would have with the 12k screen is the replacement cost. Anycubic is generally more expensive the Elegoo for there screen replacement costs and the 12k is definitely going to increase the cost compared to say the 6k or 8k screens. There there is this new FEP sheet which I bet will also cost more then say a generic one off of Amazon. I do love the auto leveling and speed settings though. My two cents.
I left DLP/LCD printers this year for my business but these are getting great! I kept my mighty 8k printers for fun and personal use but this looks nice for sure!
Sounds neat, but I barely use my AnyCubic Mono X. I thought I would use a resin printer more. But fdm is skill king in my shop. Nice to see improvements though
Absolutely blown away that they are selling this for like half a grand. You could buy THREE of these, plus hundreds of dollars worth of resin, processing tools/equipment/materials, etc, and still have a setup that costs less than JUST the prusa 'speed' printer. And these are literally twice as fast. Holy moly. For resin print farm people this is an immediate buy.
12K screen resolution aside, there's not a ton of great features to sway me back to anycubic. Now if it was doing .03mm layers at 120mm/h rock solid, I might be more interested. I've been using a whambam flex plate for three years and the only fails (2) I've had were trying to print in a room that was 50*F at the time which was pushing it, but during my active parts of the year, it's not uncommon to gobble through 12 liters of resin a month. The GK2 machine will probably be my next at-home printer as it does have some industrial-lite features and a novel leveling system, plus the screen can be replaced with one cable, the resin vat has no screws holding it down, flip up lid... (It'd be a good one to try for the channel)
I just returned the gk two. The build plate was amazing and I wish more manufacturers would adopt it because it sucks dealing with resin on top of the build plate. The build quality was kinda meh. Finish lines not matching up perfectly, the front bezel with the touchscreen was crooked, the flip up hood was also crooked and the hinge for it put too much stress on the top housing because it's screwed into plastic instead of metal (who thought that was a good idea?). The flip up hood doesn't do a good job of keeping the resin fumes in the chamber so that the filter can do it's job. So the fumes were noticeable throughout the house. The heater is nice but it takes a long time to heat up. I got a second gk two to see if maybe I just got a quality control dud, but nope. The second one had the same issues AND the slide in vat wobbled slightly and the build plate had a huge scrape on the bottom along with a chip in the side. I REALLY wanted to like it and was hoping it was going to be the end all be all for the foreseeable future, but unfortunately I just couldn't justify the steep $900 price tag for something that seemed like it needed some more engineering refinement to warrant the price. Especially when you consider the anycubic m5s, phrozen mini 8ks, and the upcoming elegoo 12k in June for less than half the price of one gk two. When you consider the fact that there are some excellent DIY chamber heater mods available from the community for around $40, it makes it even more of a bad deal. I hope this helps your decision making process.
@@David-ym2vk Well that's a bummer but I appreciate the ownership review. I had a terrible ownership experience with anycubic previously, and as much as they appear to have improved, it's the lost trust that keeps me from considering them much further, and as you noted, there's a fairly widespread wealth of competition for the money. At one point I was really considering building my own as that's essentially what comes from overseas is the same chassis and mainboard plus box of parts and a screen, and there's been a few that have successfully made a viable 15" wunderkind in the same manner that are still in my consideration pool. I've diy'ed computer controlled heaters and VOC- control chambers with rebuildable active carbon filters in the past, (if you've been on the reddit resin printing page, I left heaps of build guides a few years back) though I've always wanted to do one with a bottom-up inkjet-type distribution system for a more on-the-nose 3D printer that can also do color. The hardware isn't terribly difficult, it was formulating the resin for the flow valves to work with inkjet dot matrix systems that put the kibosh on progress. I did a bit more digging on the idea and found a Japanese company that essentially figured out a similar system, but they start in the mid 5 figure range. 👀
@@David-ym2vk How do you know that Elegoo will release another 12k printer in june? And how do you know it will be half the price of a GKtwo? News that I am really interested in!!! Need some precisions for these
@@danteinferno6513 Another reviewer said elegoo sent out an email newsletter that they’re announcing a new printer June 1st. A different reviewer that gets review units said it’s gonna be a 12k printer to compete with the anycubic m5s. So idk for a fact but I’d say it’s pretty likely since these reviewers talk to the companies directly and get units ahead of time to review.
Thank you for this quick review, but what about the price for spare parts? It seems to be a very good printer for the early bird price, but what comes next? Screen, FEP, VAT, platform ( which is more complex for auto-levelling) , high speed resin, I need more infos about all of it before buying such a machine
Looking forward to some real tests. I come from the EXTREME detail of the 3d printing world with resin. Micro accessories for miniatures for example. So the fast speed is at .1? so the .05 seems like it should take 45 min x2 or 1 1/2 hours am I missing something? Love your stuff I am glad FDM is getting a bigger push for detail for two years they stopped trying because of resin. Resin has its drawbacks and FDM has a great future if they and we keep pushing its boundaries.... thx
You're correct, I get more or less the same results as Joel showed, using Aorita ACF in my 10.3" 8K Nova3D Whale3 SE. 0.05mm takes more or less twice as long as 0.1mm, of course.
I did it. I preordered an M5s and a Wash Plus. This will be my first resin printer so it could be interesting. At least I hope it will be interesting. The other possibility is disastrous but lets not go there.
I wonder how the definition of such a small voxel is affected by the diffused ACF film since the printer lacks a focusing system and relies solely on the collimation of the LED array. Maybe you could try print a checker pattern (2x2, 3x3, 4x4, pixels and so on) and check what the minimum resolution is to achieve crisp features of empty and filed tiles in the printed pattern.
saturn 3 ultra has light flux corrections and on YT there are printouts comparing with m5s and I don't see the difference there ... I admit that I would prefer to have a printer with this correction but I prefer to have a resistance sensor because it gives more possibilities, such as leveling, detecting the amount of resin, printing resistance if it will fall off, you won't dent it in the lcd or, for example, such a function as automatic detection of how much the printer has to raise before the next layer, which shortens the printing from 9h to 6h (I hope they will add it because the equipment is there).
I was pretty excited to hear about the M5s (ready to put a clip of Dr. Daystrom from Star Trek saying "The M5 has been perfected Commander, it's potential is a fact!" in my review) but when it came time to buy a new resin printer one week after this review I looked at the lead time for the U.S. and it was 3 months! Ahhh! I want it in the beginning of summer and I can't get it until the end of summer. Bummer! One other thing: In dealing with lifelike robotics the average human head is about 6-7 inches wide and the M5s depth is only 4.84". And if there's one thing we all know, you can't take over the world with an army of robots with pygmy heads! Plus, I wondered how the miracle of speed was achieved. Surely fancy algorithms and speed calculating electronics weren't the only tools? That low viscosity resin? My thought was "Could that resin be used on OTHER MSLA printers and with a few modifications to settings might it give a reasonable advantage to ANY MSLA printer?" Someone want to check that out? Someone named Joel who has a volume of different printers at his disposal and a curious mind? End of story is I bought the M3 MAX. No auto leveling, no Wi-Fi, no advertised speed, no 12K (7K will do) but at a depth of 6.46" heads will roll and I'm starting to think about uniforms.
I got curious & looked at their site. When I looked at the prices there was an option to purchase 1 of those wash & cure thingies, but along with the name of it was mentioned the dimensions (of print) that the w&c could handle. Even on the larger W&C+, the listed maximum dimensions for a model are smaller than the max printable size of the new printer. Not a problem if you just want to print multiple smaller models, but if you want to push the printer to its size limits you're gonna have to find an alternative w&c solution.
I just added a Mono X 6k to my Equipment. The Standard settings are very close to my old Photon printer, regarding to the printing time... And printing faster often means more Trouble...
Anisotropic Conductive Film film? Sounds great :) But seriously, I'm not a resin printer user due to the small build size and extra washing and curing required, but this does look like a big step forwards which is always impressive to see in any tech. Great tip on the screen protector too, nice!
That high speed print was done with a 100 micron layer height. That's kinda coarse given the 19 micron pixel size. But 1084 layers/hour seems pretty quick regardless.
Great product review, i have pre purchased already as im due an upgrade. I would like to see a comparison print of Fotis Mint Odin the wanderer, several different materials in the print, face, cloth, stone and bird would show up very well in comparison. Or maybe the Cthulhu head. Cheers
@@dishierosprey2798 Can you explain how it's more accurate? Does it not matter that the M5S is 12k vs the M3 at 8k? I'm new to 3d printing, just trying to understand
It's great to see MSLA technology continuing to improve with higher resolution and faster print times. I'd love to see a really good automated wash, dry and UV post cure system to take a lot of the sloppy messy chemistry out of the process.
So, what I'm really interested in seeing here is the level of detail available. Please get out the microscope and zoom in to show us how far you can go!
I’m running my Phrozen Mighty 8k at 70mm/ hour (150 um layer)with either Phrozen Speed resin or Sirayatech’s Fast. Might be interesting to test how far that new sheet would be able to take this machine.
Feels similar to the Bambu Lab X1 advancement when it comes to ease of use, but for resin. Having to make sure my resin plate is level is one of the reasons I dont use it near as much.
Frankly I have actually been back and forth between what to upgrade between my resin printer and FDM printer. I was looking at the FDM because there really hasn't been many big advances in resin. This printer actually made it a pretty tough choice. I kinda want to start doing more models and painting though. For functional parts my FDM machine already does a fine job and most of the time I am not really that concerned about the speed of it.
Proprietary film + proprietary resin = consumables lock-in. Not sure that's a bad thing per se, but worth mentioning that the speed benefit offered isn't native to the printer, and comes at the cost of choice/flexibility. Awesome unit, though!
Not sure film is proprietary as I’ve seen others comment it can be acquired. The resin is just a lower viscosity and I know others make it. I think there are some normal resins that will work as well
I would like to know, how fine a part can be and still be able to print. For example: print the Photon mono X test cube with the finest bars possible.. is there a callenge like that going on anywhere?! And is there a difference between 4k, 8k and 12k?!
I would like to see a fair comparison with same layer height and same model. And also how it works with different resin, I love my ABS like and would not want to go away from the the mechanical properties just for speed.
I just bought the m3...printed one time and the fep film broke first time using. I didnt know that the fep film is preframed. Had to order replacement from china. 2 for 30€... really expensive. Had to wait 3 weeks for it. Just came yesterday. Now i have to decide to sell the m3 and buy the m5 or maybe the elegoo mars 3 pro which is really cheap right now (under 200€ and the fep replacements are much cheaper). With my eleggo mars 2 pro i nevwr had problems.
I'm trying to figure out what "auto leveling" means in this context? It looks to me like they just have a rigid build plate that's level to the vat, there's no active auto leveling going on. I'm also disappointed that the high-speed settings seem to require such chunky layers. That said, I absolutely pre-ordered this for the 12K screen (I'm currently running a 3K Halot ONE Pro) and a couple other features.
Just pre ordered a phrozen mini 8ks as my first printer, had news on this one come out a few days earlier, probably would have gotten it instead. Oh well, at least delivery date on my 8k is a month earlier, and it should still be plenty good for my first printer, though the no leveling, larger print space, and faster printing would definitely have been nice to haves worth the extra ~$100.
I have two Phrozen machines and I love them. This is not a true 12k its 19x24 micron, you can use the same film and resin and get the same speed... auto-level is cool but not needed. JMO, you are better off with the Phrozen.
I use resin prints for structural engineering parts. I'd like to see pull tests to failure with parts printed from different resins at different print speeds and different layer heights.
Well dang, thats cool! No self leveling is definitely what I wanted from a printer. 12k, which in this case is about 19 micron xy is cool, but definitely more of a gimmick for the majority of people. If they make one just like this but with higher z and maybe a bit bigger xy I will for sure sell my Saturn 2 and buy one of those. Elegoo by the way is heaving their announcements on 1 June, lets see if they can offer something competitive.
Can you do a print quality test between that printer and say the elegoo Saturn 8k? Love to know the overall print times for something 100mm hight and the difference in quality between high speed and normal vs elegood Saturn 8k
Maybe even compare how it prints litophanes, specifically curved ones, one is standing upright on a single edge and the other with two sides like a bridge
question about that 105mm per hour. is that assuming the entire build plate area is used or for a 1cm x 1cm tower? because i'm sure it will take a lot longer to print a 10cm x 10cm tower than a 1cm x 1cm tower. 😅
There is one that has it but I can't remember the name, I know VOGMan did a video on it, it has a green perspex cover. It's a bit more expensive but still consumer grade, and it's pretty big. Edit: Uniformation GK2
@@leatherworkstation i bought a Phenom Forge by Peopoly after watching this video. It has the heated vat which was important for controlling the heat sensitive resins that I'm using. The 6k resolution is more than enough for my printing needs and like you mention, it is more expensive upfront ($3500), but with the resin @ $200 per litre and less/zero print failures, it will pay for itself in no time.
So the sheet is a NFEP and nobody prints at .10. But I like the auto leveling feature. Im sure its a great printer. It’s build area is just a little small. It would be perfect for miniatures though.
Is resin better than abs when it comes to flexibility? I want to avoid the cleanup of abs but want the resin print to be strong and have flexibility. What's the best choice?
WHICH ONE ?? Anycubic M5s - or - Creality Halot-Mage Pro - or - Elegoo Saturn 8k - or - ?????? ................ There are great options out there so which one??? Anycubic 12K & Auto leveling is impressive . Creality Halot-Mage pro has a autofill, tilt lid.
Every printer review is "we got super fantastic results on this massive bust with their specialty resin, that you can't buy yet, but they gave us to demo, at the exact settings they set up for us". What we need to see is "oh yeah here's also some large medium and small pints on this machine using something like Sirya Tech fast 8k black or metal gray or something that you likely have already, and these are the results.
New to 3d printing, I am contemplating pre-ordering this printer how long till you have to replace the ACF film and what is the cost? How much does this high speed resin cost and can it be used with regular resin.
Hi, see the spare CFA frame you have there was that with the printer of bought separately? I've seen a couple of reviews of people now with it actually coming out the sealed box but I got my printer today I only got a screen protector? Thanks
