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Ultralight Backpacking Tent 65 MPH - Midnight Bailout from a Spring Alpine Storm (Field Notes) 

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IMPORTANT: THIS VIDEO DOCUMENTS AN INTENTIONAL TESTING EXPERIENCE USING AN ULTRALIGHT TENT. THE EXPERIENCE I HAD WITH THIS TENT DOES NOT REFLECT THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE OR QUALITY OF THE TENT IN THE TYPICAL CONDITIONS FOR WHICH IT IS DESIGNED, AND IS IN NO WAY A REFLECTION OF ANY INHERENT LIMITATIONS OF THE TENT. ULTRALIGHT TENTS ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR EXTREME STORMS, REGARDLESS OF THE MAKE AND MODEL.
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Lightweight backpacking with BC NNN Nordic Ski Gear, a Dyneema Composite Fabrics (DCF) shelter, 4.5 oz ultralight buck saw, REI Magma Trail Quilt, and the leading edge of one of this spring's bomb cyclone storms above the treeline.
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@billb5732
@billb5732 Год назад
This made a truly exceptional vid. We don't often get to see RU-vidrs in seriously anxiety-provoking situations. Well-handled.
@villagelightsmith4375
@villagelightsmith4375 5 лет назад
"Thanks for the memories ..." It brought back very similar camps ... many better, some lots worse ... of 40 and 50 years ago. Of course, we didn't have GPS or satellite weather data, but we had an "educated" guess of weather "trends" (ie: no clue!) so, we had great times. Always hedge your bets. You're doing good. Live long and enjoy the mountains!
@dannyslaughter4845
@dannyslaughter4845 5 лет назад
Thanking you for going out and purposefully pushing the limits past the breaking point, so the rest of us armchair outdoors men can contemplate the results of your endeavors. Seems insufficient, but thank you.
@alwaysforwardyt
@alwaysforwardyt 4 года назад
Hey l turned down the heating to recreate the situation while watching the video! ;-)
@rodrev_hiking6757
@rodrev_hiking6757 3 года назад
He literally put his Life at Risk . With Gear not made for the Weather . Alone at night with Snow in the Tent . Catch hypothermia and get bad navigation and you fckd
@gedleon
@gedleon 4 года назад
This video was better than many movies. Amazing how you kept your cool. I did have some camping accidents with flying tarps during heavy rain and winds during the night. Focusing on a single task at a time is the way to get the job done. Great video !
@janefreeman995
@janefreeman995 5 лет назад
Suluk is a wonderful person. ...(referring to the saw) I dealt with him years ago for some titanium products) Thoughtful and inventive.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
FYI this was primarily a test trip, an experiment if you will, hence the motivation behind my shelter and campsite choice. If I was selecting a shelter for these conditions, I’d take my Hilleberg Soulo. If I was taking an ultralight shelter on a trip where I wasn’t doing any formal testing, I’d have opted for a different (more wind-protected) campsite. ^rj
@pmue437
@pmue437 5 лет назад
Wrong Tent my friend. Pick a Hilleberg or Orion Extreme from Exped. Not to mention Snow Ankers. Those 25 Usd don’t make a big difference. You already spent over 750 Usd. A single centre Pole is the worst static solution in high Winds.
@johnnygadgetgilmore7631
@johnnygadgetgilmore7631 5 лет назад
Understand testing, and testing is a great idea if done right. but I suggest when testing you not go so far in. Have a bail out shelter in place. A don't do this kind of thing in those conditions solo. Just saying .
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
I totally agree that testing needs to be done within reasonable limits. I was camped only a quarter mile from good tree cover, and only two hours away from the trailhead. My exit route offered simple navigation and mostly walking on roadbeds back to the car. This isn’t exactly remote wilderness in this area where you are several hours or days from a trailhead.
@susanwoodward7485
@susanwoodward7485 3 года назад
Just love the way you invariably anticipate the questions I want answered, and all the consideration you put into answering them. Also, I am 69 and went through the early, unreliable years of GPS, and still would prefer to operate within the safety limitations of map and compass. Cannot imagine relying on something that is battery-based!
@jeskg720
@jeskg720 5 лет назад
would prefer a Hillberg tent under those conditions. Better safe than sorry. 0,5 kilos extra is worth it! If you can afford..
@TheTrailDancer
@TheTrailDancer 5 лет назад
Hillies are the best!
@m00nsplitter72
@m00nsplitter72 5 лет назад
A Soulo would perhaps be a better option, but this wasn't a display of equipment failure, it was a display of poor judgement. All the warning signs were ignored and the choice of (unsheltered) site was perplexing. Had there been a blizzard in addition to the wind this video might never have been made.
@nikolasalmodovar6420
@nikolasalmodovar6420 5 лет назад
How are pyramids compared to Hillberg?
@TheTrailDancer
@TheTrailDancer 4 года назад
@@nikolasalmodovar6420 Hilleberg makes the best tents on the planet. Worth every penny! It's why they are used in the worst conditions by industry pros! :)
@wisenber
@wisenber 4 года назад
@@m00nsplitter72 " it was a display of poor judgement. " That's like saying a crash test dummy isn't using good judgement. He was deliberately testing the limits of the equipment. Had he not done so, the points fo failure would not have been identified.
@gregconnolly6601
@gregconnolly6601 5 лет назад
Thx bud. Snowies.....great video. Congrats, rarely do we get to see reality, eh? Fine job, great experience and skill.
@IshwaraYogaNET
@IshwaraYogaNET 4 года назад
I had a similar night in a way last night. I made a few decisions that perhaps weren't my wisest, trying to cover miles, ended going back up into the mountains when a lightning storm was forecast. It was definitely my worst and scariest night in the mountains, very exposed on basically a bald mountain range. Without cover there werent that many options and the electrical storm was prolonged and fierce. . I jettisoned at 4am the moment the rain eased and the lightning dropped to a distant rumble. In my case the type of tent made no difference but as a matter of interest i have a similar zpacks duplex which i love for its breeziness and ability to modify set up for weather. A great 3 season tent. Well done for getting down safely !
@SectionHikingTheAT
@SectionHikingTheAT 5 лет назад
Wow. That was intense- not just the wind knocking down your tent but having to bail out in the dark. You handled it well! I’d be interested to see the after shots of your tent
@LeJambeaux
@LeJambeaux 5 лет назад
It takes a man of integrity to publicly display his disasters, but that's how one learns and by us seeing it we learn also. I was worried for you and had to remind myself of your skill level and that you would most likely come out of it OK.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
Thank you. I really appreciate this comment.
@azclaimjumper
@azclaimjumper 4 года назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA Consider Highlighting the comment.
@juwright1949
@juwright1949 5 лет назад
Wow! What a great video. I realize this was field test, however was there a reason why you did not pick a spot where the trees could have provided a wind block, or were you above the tree line. I would like to learn from your experience. Again a great video. Thanks for taking us along. 👍🏻
@toddwalsh3332
@toddwalsh3332 5 лет назад
At -2 C you could have easily turned that tent into a bivy and been fine . Way safer than navigating at night in my opinion.
@thomasjessen
@thomasjessen 3 года назад
“Easily” - come on world champion!
@stephenverchinski409
@stephenverchinski409 5 лет назад
The deadmans were a complete necessity when climbing Mt. Rainier. Used a bunch of snow filled stuff bags. Had enough for our entire crew. Summited the following day as the winds came up . When we came down had a minor fail on one of the tents but, ours were still there. Our neighbors lost their tents as a sacrifice to the mountain gods.
@jim_star
@jim_star 5 лет назад
Now that’s a field test. 👍🙏 Glad you made it back to your car.
@sandidunne3299
@sandidunne3299 3 года назад
@Terrance Isaac spy on your girlfriend? Arsehole
@joraveranius444
@joraveranius444 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing. I'd add to the lessons learned: (1) pick a good camp site that partially protects you from wind (2) dig down into snow (3) pitch low in high wind (and take a tent that can be pitched low).
@Kevinschart
@Kevinschart 2 года назад
a lot of those ultra light tents skimp on fabric to save grams. the z packs duplex is another one where there vestibule is so hight that you have no way to shed the wind...it all goes right into the tent.
@southface06
@southface06 5 лет назад
Thanks, fantastic video. It's those miserable trips that often becomes the most memorable ones, and you did a fantastic job filming your experience. In some weird way I like the miserable ones the most, at least afterwards :)
@trevorevans7101
@trevorevans7101 4 года назад
What a journey! Well filmed too as your extreme circumstances were so encompassing that to get warm and survive would have occupied your every thought. Well done
@davehoover8853
@davehoover8853 4 года назад
OK, I see others have said bring a Hilleberg and that you are just testing this tent out. Looks like you made good choices as things began to deteriorate. Excellent emphasis on safe travel and how to use your kicker skins to keep you off steep terrain. Pretty cool ski set up. I use AT, but like what you have going on.
@sugamamajackson6171
@sugamamajackson6171 3 года назад
I totally enjoyed this video! I like the others but sometimes they become routine. This was interesting to see how you were going to get out of there!
@KevinSawchuk
@KevinSawchuk Год назад
Sleeping in a snow trench would have made for a comfortable, quiet and warmer night. Dig a -sorry- coffin sized rectangle about 3' deep (use snow dug out to help with walls), stake out a flat tarp over the top, even cover the tarp with snow. Wind flows over, you're sheltered. Much faster than building an igloo or snow cave. Wish I could post a photo
@bigalcervantes5118
@bigalcervantes5118 3 года назад
Dammm your one heck of a outdoorsman. I dont think I could have done what you have done. Great video. I'm thinking of getting one of those hot tents for mild winters.
@rodrev_hiking6757
@rodrev_hiking6757 3 года назад
This video made me decide to buy the slingfin portal a true lightweight 3lbs Tent 4 season capable and can withstand high winds . I carry the extra for the bigger stability and security. Couldn’t find sleep like this
@Gabrielishere
@Gabrielishere Год назад
You have the hiker / adventurer temperament and coolheadedness to do a test like this. So cool to see!
@robertowens4068
@robertowens4068 5 лет назад
Interesting Trip, next time take a Hilleberg tent for the excursion and you would of been as snug as a big in a rug. Glad you made it out alive. Cheers
@JamesMcKenzie1972
@JamesMcKenzie1972 5 лет назад
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Hilleberg tents are built for this type of thing.
@YouTubeSafetyTroll
@YouTubeSafetyTroll 5 лет назад
Any mountaineering tent, really.
@JamesMcKenzie1972
@JamesMcKenzie1972 5 лет назад
I should add that the point of his video was to basically push the ultralight tent to it's limits which is probably a far more interesting video than just sitting out a storm in a mountaineering tent. Thanks to @backpackinglight for the video
@rigbyUnbound
@rigbyUnbound 5 лет назад
haha.. you nutter! at first i thought.. why the hell is he setting up there? then realised with the wind readings you were doing testing.. i guess you got a bit more wind than you bargained for though! i think i'd have done your second option and hunkered down amongst the trees with a bivi and a fire.. but any excuse to play in snow and i'll take it (we don't get much in england) ATB
@KB-re4ku
@KB-re4ku 5 лет назад
rigby Bucolic come to Alberta, all the snow, cold, and wind you could handle in our beautiful Rocky Mountains!
@yaroslavbozhkov1567
@yaroslavbozhkov1567 4 года назад
Thank you friend. Take care of yourself!
@larryadventure
@larryadventure 5 лет назад
Great experiment and video. Thanks for the testing so I can sure 3 season tent won’t really work in windy snowy conditions. Hope there are Dyneema composite 4 season on the market soon.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
Me too!!
@w8stral
@w8stral 4 года назад
Well he did set up in the dumbest way possible so... If you go winter camping you DIG DOWN a tent platform, or BUILD A WALL 100% around or close to it. Then set up a tent. Especially when exposed up high. Why first requirement is often a REAL shovel. Or you must sleep down low protected by trees.
@pspicer777
@pspicer777 5 лет назад
Being an old timer I never fully understood the light backpacking thing. Even the non lightweight modern stuff is light weight compared to stuff we had 40 years ago. I don’t know why light weight should be a limiting factor anymore. I am glad you are ok, but in looking at this video it appears that only a few things needed to go wrong before you were in real trouble. I view such circumstances as being unreasonable and unnecessary risk. Thanks for the video and I hope you remain safe.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
It was a bit of a contrived test. I’m hoping to document some experiences that may educate people who are wanting to save weight on their gear...fortunately on this trip I had a lot of things going for me - warm weather, winds that weren’t too extreme, and enough survival gear (firestarting, shelter, clothes) that allowed me to survive the storms that were forecasted without much risk.) This video may have shown some situations that may have appeared a bit extreme for some, but having experienced much worse over several years of experience with winter backpacking and mountaineering, it wasn’t too big of a deal for me. This was mainly a trip to test a tent, not to experience any drama!
@ericice1751
@ericice1751 2 года назад
​@@BackpackingLightUSA I noticed HyperLite does not carry this tent on it's website. I would like you see how the HyperLite Ultamid 2 would hold up under similar conditions. Your thoughts?
@lukedudgeon8699
@lukedudgeon8699 2 года назад
thank you for such a video. was looking into this type of tent for 4 season camping, but commonly get gusts of 80-100km/h. will definitely be looking at something that is designed for it.
@garyo4456
@garyo4456 3 года назад
.....and a Quilt!!!???? I have numerous tents just for this reason. Hilleberg Akto or Nallo Gt2...woulda made this “trip” a pleasure!
@ftapon
@ftapon 5 лет назад
Before I did my first thru-hike, I purposefully backpacked a weekend when I knew a rainstorm was coming. Great training as long as you have a solid Plan B. :)
@GypsyGirl317
@GypsyGirl317 3 года назад
That's a brilliant idea. I am going to do that too - in a camping ground! 🏕 😉 🙆‍♀️
@MegaMastiffman
@MegaMastiffman 3 года назад
Nice job using the skies 👍
@RodneyClang
@RodneyClang 4 года назад
Thanks for making this video, appreciate gear testing. I've seen other high wind alpine / exposed use of the DCF mids successfully. Pitching lower + tub/insert and all 16+ guys, ... seems like it would still hold up. There are many criticisms in the comments that this is a 3 season and this mid not intended for this use, elsewhere seems contrary. Just trying to understand. Glad you're OK!
@paddle_hike
@paddle_hike 4 года назад
I like the fact that at one point you decided to play with a kite! 23:59 😂😂😂 (kidding) hard weather for sure.
@Surfingthe805
@Surfingthe805 5 лет назад
My favorite video of yours so far. Raw. Real. Buddy, you’re a machine.
@chukolna
@chukolna 4 года назад
You are kind of crazy man. Glad you made it to the car. Should respect the mountain and the weather more tho. Did enjoy to video tho, only because it wasnt me in it! haaa. This is my first video in your channel, definitely gonna watch more!
@mukiker
@mukiker 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing the video before I had to experience it myself :) Yes, mountain climbers don't have ultralight tents. There must be a reason.
@joelleschachter2867
@joelleschachter2867 5 лет назад
With a weather like this i would camp by trees s bit more protection but espacially to use trees to anchor the tent
@sibeliusjohannes2660
@sibeliusjohannes2660 5 лет назад
And possibly never wake up again. Just 2 years ago a friend of mine got killed this way.
@KB-re4ku
@KB-re4ku 5 лет назад
Sibelius Johannes a tree or widow maker fell on him?
@sibeliusjohannes2660
@sibeliusjohannes2660 5 лет назад
@@KB-re4ku exactly
@StalionKick
@StalionKick 5 лет назад
Seemed like a schoolboy error on his part for not pitching by a few trees, it was the first thing that I noticed when he arrived and said that was home for the night. Having said that it was cool to see how it all played out and it did look like a nice spot.
@chrisu.k9307
@chrisu.k9307 4 года назад
That’s one more reason on top of the other million and one reasons to bring duct tape 😁👍🏼
@RomeoEdward
@RomeoEdward 5 лет назад
Glad you made it out ok. Anyone ever tell you your a little crazy. Great vid.
@Jpetrakakos
@Jpetrakakos 5 лет назад
Glad your ok man. That was intense.
@trakyboy5128
@trakyboy5128 5 лет назад
After reading your responses to comments I see where you're head was. No real worries. Here's what I did in some what of similar situation. Different tent.even tho my tent was fairing well i didn't want to risk damage....I undid my poles where they went into the grommets at the 4 corners and let it collapse. Then used 550 p cord and created a 'x' over my tent, tied up at each of the 5 corner stakes so wind would not pull n buffet loose materials. But left it so I could crawl back in the tent and into my bag. That's how morning sunlight found me !! I was glad i had not moved in the trees cuz there was alot of storm damage everywhere !!! No shortage of fire wood !!😂😀😃 Just thot I'd share with you my story... maybe work 4 u 2??
@greygardens81
@greygardens81 5 лет назад
I mean, it is a 3 season tent after all.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
Right. Last time I checked, it was April. Hasn't spring started? For me, the only real differentiator between winter and spring/fall is heavy snow and very cold temps, neither of which happened on this trip. Spring and fall, high winds are pretty common in alpine areas in the Northern Rockies. ^rj
@carlafreeman6680
@carlafreeman6680 5 лет назад
Lol
@nick_sapsford
@nick_sapsford 5 лет назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA You might be taking the name a bit too literally
@wanderingaloudwithmark3057
@wanderingaloudwithmark3057 5 лет назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA I've been in the mountains camping and seen snow in late August. I think, even in April I would use a 4 season tent. Although I do realise you were running a test on the UL tent.
@lewisjones7153
@lewisjones7153 4 года назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA I don't think if means that. A 4 season tent is for 4 season conditions like you were in. Not what month you are camping in.
@windriver2363
@windriver2363 3 года назад
If I had to guess, the grommet failed because you were pitched on snow. Without firm ground underneath the trekking pole to support the load, all the force was going straight into the grommet. And the grommet is only designed to stabilize the pole and inner bathtub floor, not bear the entire load of the structure.
@calvinminer4365
@calvinminer4365 2 года назад
In real-world conditions I would've made at least a 5-10 inch tall wall upwind of the tent. that would've helped deflect and disrupt the wind. but perhaps you were just testing the limits of the tent.
@Paul-VanHorn
@Paul-VanHorn 2 года назад
I just was browsing some tent videos and ran across this one. I thought it was over when the tent blew out of the screen and you went chasing it. Now the manufacturer would say that you did everything wrong of course saying that you didn't stake out the tent properly however it is designed like a parachute... The company in fact made them taller... So good thing that you could see where you are going as I been in snow storms that you can't see your hand in front of your face. I'm searching for a 4 season 1-2 person tent that doesn't weigh a ton but is effective against the elements. Being in Colorado I have much to do. Any ideas on a decent 4 season tent that is backpacking worthy? I don't see any Dyneema 4 season tents yet. Maybe the materials are tool light as it causes that parachute effect? May need some lead poles? Maybe have the tent designers build some external pouches that you could add heavy packed snow or rounded rocks at the base around the staked out areas. Anyway, great video. Very informative and subscribed. I have one 4 season however it is way too big for backpacking. Any inquiries would be greatly appreciated.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 2 года назад
A true 4-season tent capable of withstanding winter snow loads and high winds from "Big" winter storms in the Rockies (we're based in northern Colorado) is probably not going to use trekking poles as its sole form of structure, and will likely cost you some weight. Take a look at Hilleberg (red or black label tents), or something like a Slingfin Crossbow 2 4-season...
@Paul-VanHorn
@Paul-VanHorn 2 года назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA Thanks for your reply. I have a few tents. A Nemo and a Russian Bear tent. The Bear tent is great but not for the mountains. Car camping only. 130#s... I'm still searching for a true 4 season tent that I can take into the mountains that doesn't weigh a ton. Thanks again.
@JackKlumpass
@JackKlumpass 3 месяца назад
Just get yourself a black label Soulo pal.👍🏼
@CurtisHikes
@CurtisHikes 5 лет назад
You would have been better off wrapping up in that tent like a burrito
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
For a survival situation, that would have been an ok option. But that’s not really what this was... ^rj
@TyStyckify
@TyStyckify 4 года назад
I think I would have found a wind break area and pitched there, especially with a straight pole tent. I will never own one again.
@zackedwards7803
@zackedwards7803 5 лет назад
Why did you set up in an open field? Why not by some tree cover to block wind..seems like you put yourself in bad situation by picking an open field with 45 plus wind gusts.
@RagtimeBillyPeaches
@RagtimeBillyPeaches 2 года назад
Jordan, What do you do when you're on vacation?
@MattShafter
@MattShafter 5 лет назад
Question, how would the pyramid cuben (MLD duomid type) fair in that?
@barbarataychert4910
@barbarataychert4910 5 лет назад
uh, that would be "fare"
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
If we're talking purely about structural design and integrity, then probably just as bad, if not worse. The Duomid is even taller, and has more exposed surface area, so it's going to catch even more wind than the Dirigo. I've had a DCF Duomid out in a similar environment and conditions (we used one on a winter ski trip), and two of the side guyline tieouts in the mid-panels ripped out. The Dirigo's side panel tieouts have seams going to them, which helps distribute stress. Other than the grommets, there was otherwise no damage to the Dirigo. But at the end of the day, neither shelter is going to be what you want in winds like this. ^rj
@MattShafter
@MattShafter 5 лет назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA Cool, thanks Ryan. One last question. Some of us are talking. I think you thought the Dirigo 2 had a chance to survive and you would actually sleep through the night. Others aren't so sure. Which is it?
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
Most ultralight tents (including the Dirigo) need some upgraded accessories in order for me to have the confidence that they will stay up in winds like that. The Dirigo's seams, fabrics, basic fly design - I'm OK with that. However, I want more guyline tieouts, tensioners that don't slip in wind (Line-locs are notoriously slippy in buffeting winds and cold temps), etc. I'll include a pretty comprehensive discussion about this in my review of the Dirigo, which should be online in the next week or two over at backpackinglight.com. ^rj
@drytool
@drytool 5 лет назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA , I'm curious how you think a trailstar would've fared.
@carolewarner101
@carolewarner101 4 года назад
Dang bro! That was intense... Smart not to follow a drainage down vrs the way you got up there. Live and learn. I can imagine something like that blowing in up in the Sierras on a thru-hike of the PCT or something. Really brings home the need to choose your site wisely and find as sheltered a spot as possible when above treeline. And of course to check the weather before you head out. Best solution to something like that is prevention...just don't be out in that shit!
@papajeff5486
@papajeff5486 Год назад
I do health care. The data indicate that prevention is literally ten times cheaper than treatment. I say that short mantra with every adventure. I’m really glad you did what you did and made it out safe and sound. The little tent wasn’t engineered for that kind of wind. You provided pretty convincing evidence. Thank you for your work. I have a ZPacks Duplex. I will walk the AT come Spring-Summer of ‘24. Clearly, I will have to watch the weather and set up in protected terrain…thanks to your good work. Thanks for sharing. From Kentucky.
@morgankarno7335
@morgankarno7335 2 года назад
Did you pitch on a ridge for the purpose of making an example of what not to do?
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 2 года назад
Yes, we were intentionally in search of the windiest spot in the basin. We may have found it!
@profd65
@profd65 Год назад
65 mph winds? And you were able to walk? Gusts maybe. People always make excuses for this overpriced ultralight crap...whenever the stuff fails, people say it was put in a situation that it wasn't meant for.
@Muirnoire
@Muirnoire 3 года назад
I've been in 65 mph mountain winter winds. This could have easily ended in; "This video was found footage. The backcountry skier did not survive." Can you maybe post a follow up video on what you might have done differently. What you learned. If you had got lost, do you think you would have survived the night. I'm curious why you didn't use an alpine-rated, high wind-rated expedition tent? This tent wasn't even close to being adequate for the potential conditions. This tent almost killed you or in fairness to the tent, your choice to use it nearly killed you.
@itsallspent
@itsallspent 5 лет назад
Thanks for the video. I am planing a bicycle tour and was interested in how a light weight tent would do in foul weather. I will pack a 4 season tent. Would snow shoes been better on that snow?
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
Snowshoes would have been fine as well but I was able to cover the downhill back to the car much faster on skis :) ^rj
@richwallace4632
@richwallace4632 4 года назад
Don’t understand why you didn’t camp up near the trees? They could have provided some wind block. I grew up in that area of Wyoming. That wind can destroy equipment quickly.
@runcycleskixc
@runcycleskixc 5 лет назад
a pyramid-shaped 4-perosn six-moon held up well in a whiteout in the Sierras (3 feet o/n), but we were in a more wind-sheltered area, not on a ridge like this. We still had to dig it out every 3 hrs or so. Another alternative would have been to dig a cave >>> use the tent for cover
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
I was actually planning to dig a cave in a drift as my backup, but the snowdrifts nearby were so hard packed (from wind deposition) that it would have taken a looong time! Another reason to bring a metal shovel.
@professorsogol5824
@professorsogol5824 5 лет назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA A friend of mine once said a good mountaineer has a spoon that can be used to dig a snow cave (it has been done in the col between the North and South Summits of Denali). Start low on a drift in a gully and dig in and up. Keep the entrance lower than the sleeping/living area and temperature inside will soon be above freezing. If you use a candle or stove inside, use your ski pole to punch a small hole in the ceiling allow carbon monoxide to escape. You can close the hole with a handful of snow when you turn off the fire. Building a snow cave is hot, wet work and yes, it does take some time.
@CanadianTexaninLiguria
@CanadianTexaninLiguria 5 лет назад
I must be missing something. This is the third video of yours I have watched and everytime you pitch your tent ompletely out in the open. I don't get it? Why not behind some trees for protection from the wind?
@zanshinhabit6212
@zanshinhabit6212 5 лет назад
Jon Moran, I was wondering the same thing. The snow in that shallow saddle shows obvious signs of wind sculpting. There were trees to the right that would have offered a wind break. Why did he bring a saw rather than a backpackers snow shovel? A snow block wall would have made a world of difference and he could have made snow trench as backup with an A-frame roof. These videos seem rather Bear Grylls like in that he takes unnecessary risks for the sake of making a video.
@CDAFishboy
@CDAFishboy 3 года назад
It is a test. Pay attention to the whole video and description.
@drytool
@drytool 5 лет назад
Impressive skill at keeping your wits about you. That was kind of scary.
@bestbuilder1st
@bestbuilder1st 5 лет назад
I think the music was far worse than the storm. I had to listen to it to hear the commentary otherwise I would have muted the video. I know I am in the minority but I had to say something.
@ThanatosWings
@ThanatosWings 11 месяцев назад
Lol, I thought you were going to just set up the tent there as an example of setting it up in the wrong place and to show how hard it is to set up in wind, then move over to the trees behind you for your sleep. So people know, when your in those conditions always set up in an area with trees surounding you. The best would be if there's an evergreen with low hanging branches to protect you but high enhough to set up under. Or you can also find down branches on the ground to put against your tent for protection. You can also kick up and pack the snow over the edge of the bottom of your fly to prevent snow and cold wind from coming in. Even in just colder climate, kicknup leaves to cover the bottom edge of your fly to prevent cold air. That'll increas the internal tent temp by about 10°c. It's worth the extra 10 minutes and effort. Thanks for the video.
@randalmartin22
@randalmartin22 5 лет назад
Thanks for putting up the video Ryan. I think the two big takeaways would be 1] Not to take a 3 season shelter into a winter storm 2] I didn't have a good opinion of the shelter you were in before this video and now it's even worse. That would seem to be a fair weather tent at which point you ask, what is the point of that shelter.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
All "ultralight" and "trekking pole" tents suffer from poor wind stability. And then there are those with mesh or no walls. None of these would be appropriate in conditions like this. ^rj
@DrJosh2
@DrJosh2 4 года назад
That feeling when you make it back to the truck after a rough trip.
@barbarataychert4910
@barbarataychert4910 5 лет назад
I have to say, what were you thinking? Glad you survived the night. Very interesting, though.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
I was thinking that winds might top out around 40 mph based on the pressure map forecast for the area where I was hiking... ^rj
@johnmca5643
@johnmca5643 5 лет назад
That was epic. A very entertaining and educational video. We acknowledge that you'd typically not camp where you did....out in an exposed open area. You did that for the test. Your anchor system couldn't have been better. Was that the REI Magma sleeping bag?
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
Hi John - thanks for the note! The bag was the REI Magma Trail Quilt 30.
@Kevinschart
@Kevinschart 4 года назад
Hi kids... This is exactly what NOT to do. Taking untested gear out into extreme weather situations, for shame. Also, "ultra light" gear is just a tool. It is the right tool for certain applications and the absolute wrong tool for others. Some scenarios call for a more robust shelter. Don't let your obsession with ultra light gear ruin a perfectly good camping trip. If you're car camping for a day or two, maybe leave the dyneema at home.
@billybastar4022
@billybastar4022 3 года назад
Oops...I read your comment below a couple of comments. Usually, the Tube posts the content owners comments first... understand now. I hope hyperlight addressed the failure
@friarrodneyburnap4336
@friarrodneyburnap4336 5 лет назад
What is the name of this tent? In the video?
@alwaysforwardyt
@alwaysforwardyt 4 года назад
31:08 You left just because your tent got a bit of condensation? Jesus how delicate! Just kidding! Very interesting video. l wonder if a 'non-ultralight 3 seasons tent' would've made any difference in such conditions... Thanks for the video!
@TainoXtreme
@TainoXtreme 5 лет назад
On really good video. Years ago, I was in a 79 mph snowstorm at the profile trail at grandfather Mountain North Carolina. I don’t know how scary can this be. You did the right thing to get out of the mountain. I did the same thing the next day and that location. I am blind and cannot see details but enjoyed your video. I was making a scene in my mind as you were never rating the entire adventure. For winter backpacking, I use the arete ASL2 four season tent. I highly recommend these tent since it is a fortress proven Shelter. It is a 5 pounds extra weight but it gives me the peace of mind of being in a safe shelter under these conditions. Thank you so much for sharing this adventure with us. God bless you.
@markexpose6108
@markexpose6108 Год назад
HELLO.
@countryflyer4536
@countryflyer4536 4 года назад
why did you choose to camp out in the open on top of a bald saddle? you could have set up in a small clump of trees and been fine...
@alandavis9180
@alandavis9180 5 лет назад
Yes, there's a difference between a light weight shelter and a tent built for the mountains. These days most people only look at the weight when shopping for a tent which can be a huge mistake. Light weight shelters are designed for below the treeline trail walking but most manufacturers never mention that in their marketing.
@KB-re4ku
@KB-re4ku 5 лет назад
@alan davis is the manufacture making a claim that the tent is a four season tent though? If they are then they are misleading. But if not, then they are not. People need to do their research before buying gear, not just relying on a few videos from RU-vid’ers.
@StalionKick
@StalionKick 5 лет назад
I've never seen 3 season tents advertised by any well known manufacturer as appropriate for heavy wind and snow conditions (4 seasonsy). That's not to say you can't if you choose, but it's a risk you take. Actually I don't think the weight of the tent was the issue here, just that it was a trekking pole tent which are not particular stable or made for strong wind and pitching the tent in heavy wind probably compounded that problem anyway.
@geraldhenrickson7472
@geraldhenrickson7472 5 лет назад
Don't assume all tent buyers are simpletons looking at the weight alone. We live in an age wherein ANY product can be researched to death and many, if not most, are likely looking at all the attributes of a prospective shelter. Some ad infinitum. Rather than state the obvious, why not offer up what shelters you believe are needed for a newbie to travel above the treeline in a blizzard? There will be none that weigh just 28 ounces. What is lacking in experience needs to be offset by sturdier equipment...adventuring out lighter requires greater knowledge. and your input could be of tremendous help.
@darthkek1953
@darthkek1953 5 лет назад
Depends on your mountain, I've had my Cloud-Up 2 above the ridges and it has held up to gales.
@Kevinschart
@Kevinschart 2 года назад
you can take one look at the duplex it tell it's not meant for any real inclement weather. It certainly isn't going to keep you warm. if you lack in the common sense department, camping is going to be a awful hobby for you. these tents are made to help keep the bugs off and keep you dry. that's it.
@lvbuckeye
@lvbuckeye 4 года назад
That was hardcore. My stomach dropped when that first big gust grabbed the tent. I thought it was gone.
@McCaff62
@McCaff62 3 года назад
Who knows if his truck was only a few hundered metres away ready for a bail out? , we'll never know.
@WorldSurvivalist
@WorldSurvivalist 5 лет назад
I wish I lived in a country with more interesting weather
@w8stral
@w8stral 4 года назад
Well.... no. Looks great when others are suffering. Not so much when YOU are suffering. Now suffering with friends? Ok. That can be fun.
@lanetaglio
@lanetaglio 5 лет назад
...a whole new level of "Storm Chaser"!!
@MattShafter
@MattShafter 5 лет назад
More like "Shelter Chaser" ;)
@neemancallender9092
@neemancallender9092 5 лет назад
excuse me but .... compress or dig down so the base of the tent is not on the surface so the wind is not battering the tent Use longer and wider branches as dead men And you are winter camping with a three season tent
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
Didn’t need bigger deadmen, they all held fine, failures occurred in the guyline assemblies. This was a test/experiment, hence no snow walls or pits.
@jamesjeffery1757
@jamesjeffery1757 5 лет назад
@@BackpackingLightUSA So then would bowline knots and Mcarthy hitches work better in this situation? Also, I can see why the grommet pulled out. It was literally taking the whole force load. Do you think it would have done better if it was located on solid ground rather than suspended above snow?
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
James Jeffery either system (truckers or McCarthy) is fine but I’ve had McCarthy hitches fail at the bowline knot due to cord cutting as well. Knots will usually be points of failure. A truckers hitch requires less cordage. The best insurance is a stout guyline rather than any particular hitch method.
@PepperGipper
@PepperGipper 4 года назад
I'm glad you do these types of tests and not me. It seems a little foolhardy to go in the backcountry in those conditions but to each their own. Glad you stayed healthy.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 4 года назад
It's actually pretty fun...!
@JuicinwithVapinJennp
@JuicinwithVapinJennp 5 лет назад
Stupid choice of shelter. In conditions like this, I just crawl inside my Tauntaun.....seriously, though, try pouring water on your stake out points and it will freeze solid. It's a bitch getting them out the next day, but that trick save my but quite a few times in high winds and snow.
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 5 лет назад
I chose the shelter because I was testing the shelter and wanted to see how it performed at its limits. None of my deadmen/stakeout points failed. This video illustrates more detail of my winter snow stake system and why I don’t need to pour (precious!) water on them: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rc8sv0aNEng.html ^rj
@lithandriel
@lithandriel 2 года назад
What sunglasses retaining strap are you using in this video?
@BackpackingLightUSA
@BackpackingLightUSA 2 года назад
Smith Challis sunglasses + pilot fish retainers.
@ryanthan184
@ryanthan184 3 года назад
Thats a camping🔥😀
@MarieHalle
@MarieHalle 5 лет назад
Sense and sensibility. Obviously not a mountaineering tent. The snow blowing through the mesh looked cold and scary.
@GREYWOLFbike
@GREYWOLFbike 3 года назад
This video is a sobering reminder ‘light’ isn’t always ‘right’.
@Adventures_with_Sog
@Adventures_with_Sog 3 года назад
Forget all the votes for an Hilleberg, you needed a Fjallraven tent.
@niftyfiftycampingadventure795
@niftyfiftycampingadventure795 5 лет назад
Ultralight in those conditions will always be problematic. I highly recommend The Mobi Garden 2 plus..133USD. However at 4kg not for a solo hike... But a bullet proof shelter in Alpine storm conditions..
@techguy9023
@techguy9023 4 года назад
It looks like heavy canvas still has a place.
@Randall974
@Randall974 3 года назад
Glad you didn't end up as a popsicle
@longlifeprinters9
@longlifeprinters9 2 года назад
The right tent & that would have been a beautiful nights sleep.
@viewlesswind
@viewlesswind 3 года назад
Perhaps UltaMid2 would handle the storm a bit better.
@landrover325
@landrover325 5 лет назад
Proof that money can't buy everything.
@wanglelife
@wanglelife Год назад
"I have a feeling it's going to be a pretty long night" 🤣
@treywilly431
@treywilly431 4 года назад
Not a good choice of tent for the weather conditions.
@TheTrailDancer
@TheTrailDancer 4 года назад
One word: Hilleberg!
@ulbushcrafting6592
@ulbushcrafting6592 Год назад
I’ll sled when they make them electric ( quiet )
@FormedandSmelly
@FormedandSmelly 5 лет назад
Vid starts at the 23 min mark, and you're welcome.
@dakine9445
@dakine9445 5 лет назад
Brad Ford came to the comments just for this info!
@fviete9464
@fviete9464 5 лет назад
how rude. the rest of the video is good too
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