You'd think umpires just would never throw anybody out. I mean, if they hate your calls, and you're that intent on making them suffer, why not leave them in?
DiscordOnSaturn the one at the 3:00 mark (roughly) was absolutely absurd. Like he gave a little signal to his catcher, asking if he hit his spot, and the ump went “nope, you can’t talk to your teammates in my house”, runs around to the field to put the spotlight on him, and throws him out. Horseshit
Can't say anything about these other cases, but when a starting picture throws a ball behind someone's head and then hits him the next pitch, and there's a history of bad blood, I think tossing him is perfectly reasonable.
I remember watching that game live as a rangers fan and If I remember correctly , the Angels started John Lackey the very next game because he only threw 2 pitches 😂😂
Why don't people just completely ignore the umpire, that'd be so funny like he starts screaming or makes a throw out gesture and they just continue like he's invisable
@@TasX they should just add a rule that you need an actual reason and a some sort of panel to approve throwing someone out of the game and the panel can function as a call correction when the ump is making a wrong call
@@joshuafrizzell3494 Agreed. Problem is the umpires union has an insane amount of power and they will stand behind their people even if they are wrong. Just look at the umpire strike in the 90's.
Umps charging the mound like that need to be immediately removed from the game. Their there for judging the game, not hold grudges against singular players.
absolutely well said! they create a confrontation, completely on purpose, when their job is to make sure those things don't happen. you are taught a thousand tricks to avoid that crap in ump school, and obviously these guys either didn't learn, or don't care.
That's actually grounds for ejection, the rules state any player who argues balls and strikes or insults the ump is automatically grounds for ejection.
That Lackey bit wasn't over reacting at all. Throwing behind someone would usually get a warning, and the next pitch was a hit that wasn't even close to the plate. That one I completely agree with.
I don't think the John Lackey Angels ejection was an overreaction. When you throw behind a guy and then hit him on consecutive pitches, you clearly have an agenda and should be thrown out.
I can agree somewhat with this. But I don’t think he hit the batter. He got one like 8 inches behind him and the second was like 6 inches off his body, but the jersey hangs off pretty far which makes it look like a HBP. “If I were the ump” (famous last words before I get assaulted lmao), unless there were warnings before the game to both teams which means instant ejections, I would’ve given a warning and asked his catcher to talk to him. Yknow. “Be polite, but don’t ask, tell him what to do.”
It's amazing that Ump's aren't assaulted regularly. I mean everyone that they piss off has in their possession something that can be used as a weapon to reshape their skull.
I know you get in legal trouble outside of MLB if he hit someone with your bat, but I’m surprised more guys don’t punch the umpires with how often players have punched each other. Maybe the MLB has a worse fine for knocking their lights out?
Why would you risk a career where you make millions over a moment of rage. I think a lot of these athletes handle it really well Bc they’re thinking about their career
@@GM-rg4fn that's understandable but these umpires really should be held to a higher standard of kicking players out because their feelings get hurt over some salty language! It's baseball FFS!
Alex Caballero oh I agree. Umpires are given way too much power. Baseball is probably the only sport I’ve seen where they throw players out for minor things
@@themt.mooncrew9800 OK, I'm going to have to walk that one back. I can't find any reference to a fine either, but I did find a reference that said he wasn't fined. Maybe I misread it when I first saw it.
mitchell miller i dont get what youre trying to get at with this comment, everything he said makes sense based on the video and your response is to flex on him that he hasnt been on tv? You must be one of these umps on a burner account lol
The fact that West has not been fired is why we need to get rid of the ump unions. Fire everyone and start all over. If they threaten to start a union again, fire them all. And institute a computerized strike zone. been advocating it for 30 years. Home plates should be actors.
I would like to see somebody put their hands on an umpire and see what happens. I bet they wouldnt do a freakin thing because they are a bunch of entitled pansies.
The Diamond Ninja its umpires discretion at that point. If he feels safety is of the utmost concern and a warning isn’t going to get the point across, ejection without hesitation. Unfortunate, but how it is.
That and there had been previous bad blood between the teams, that puts extra weight on anything in the game. Usually it results in umpires being told before the game to be strict on anything that could spark any trouble, and coaches are given the heads up that any wrong action will not be led off with a warning, it’ll be automatic toss.
I'm British and have no idea what the hell is going on. But it's pretty entertaining watching the umpire throwing his hand around and then getting into an arguement.
They keep fights from happening like what woulda happened if that dude kept throwin dumbass pitches 2 pitches in. Other than that who gives a fuck about language
And if it's not intentional, that's worse! If he is *accidentally* throwing BEHIND the batter and then hits him the next pitch, that's fucking dangerous to have him continue pitching. He simply doesn't have the control. He's going to fucking hurt someone.
Celtic Warrior you’re aware umpires rotate behind the place in each series right? Example if joe west is behind the plate for the first game of a Red Sox Yankees series, the next game he will be at first then the next at second. No umpire calls balls and strikes for an entire series. Just so you know lol
Kori Jenkins - You are an idiot. "Blown" calls are a part of the game. Bad calls hurt and benefit every team and player. Players need to grow up and put their uncontrolled emotions in check.
K A - "job put into jeopardy"? What are you talking about? Ihyperbole at its finest. Blown calls are not only against the hitter. They are just as many blown calls against the pitcher. Hitters are the beneficiary as well as a victim pig bad calls. It all washes out in the end. Grow up dude.
Has the following ironic scenario ever happened? An umpire secretly takes a bet out against a team, and engineers an excuse to eject said team's best hitter. A new guy just called up from the minors, who was expected to warm the bench this game, comes up and proves to be at least as good hitter, playing a pivotal role in completely blowing out the opposition.
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At 2:06 this isn’t an overreaction, I’m pretty sure if you have working eyes that are connected to your brain you can realize it 1st pitch: BEHIND batter 2nd Pitch: HITS batter
Nope, it's a warning, unless one was already implemented. That was the 1st inning, pitcher didn't get to warm up much, so you need to take that into account. Pretty sure Lackey just returned from the IL as well.
@@steelersrock4392 No, it's reasonable. Go get injured, and then try pitching when you get back after barely warming up. You have no proof this was deliberate, and the warning is the correct call. Bob Davidson the umpire is a known grouch and old racist man who loves to instigate drama.
Baseball umpires are the actual worst referees in all of sports. Stevie wonder, Hellen Keller, and the ghost of Kurt Kobain without his head could do a better job than most of the crew
Baseball umpires are really, really good. Great in the field with the additional support of instant replay. 97% accuracy behind the plate. They're great.
I don’t know much about how the league works, but the umpires apparently have an OPAF labor union in place. The League, for all intents and purposes, can’t fucking touch them without risking a class action lawsuit from the labor union.
@@kylebeguhl8516 Whats going to be beautiful is an automatic strike zone calculated by math an accuracy soon enough. These buffoons' and their antics are going to put themselves out of a job.
Playing JV in 9th grade I remember the ump called infield fly rule in effect. For those who don’t know it means the batter is automatically out if he hits a popfly that stays in the end field when runners are on base. This prevents the fielder from intentionally letting it drop to get a double or triple play. It basically removes the force out. Anyways, the batter hits a pop up a mile in the air that our second baseman loses in the sun and drops between him and the pitcher mound and no out was called and now bases are loaded. Our coach comes out to ask what the hell and the field umpire knowing he’s wrong for flaking still sticks to his guns and says “well it wasn’t high enough”. A huge argument and ejection ensued. Case in point, if a local small time ump getting paid 50 dollars to officiate a game isn’t gonna admit he’s wrong, these “professional” ego-driven assholes certainty aren’t
and your personal experience comes from? Maya we examine your HR files to determine where you fouled up? inquiring minds want to know someone that lives in a glass house.
@@synchronium24 lmao all the people in this video are men. Are you dumb? All of the umps, players and coaches in this video are men. He's saying that the umps have fragile egos and are men. He is correct.
@@rogueelitecs1229 I'm aware all of the people in this video are men. While it's possible your interpretation is correct, the phrasing Kelsey used is almost always accompanied by sexist implications. If you google "fragile male ego", you'll be inundated with examples.
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@@austinfaust3374 So, literally millions of unoriginal un-creative un-funny NPCs repeating this stuff, and ONE (1) guy compiles and showcases some of it, and you're irked. That's the idea, bud. Thanks for letting me know I scored.
in that first clip if he is that quick to eject him for no reason and literally anticipating a reaction that never came, then it is obvious he knew it was a terrible call
Well I guess you never have pitched. Try starting a game after coming off the DL, not warming up because of stadium ground rules and all that. Warning? Sure. Ejection? No. Also, ejection without warning is a judgment call, so it's not a forced ejection.
@@thecaynuck4694 😂😂😂 thanks for DL and warmup sob story. These guys are professionals and I guarantee I played closer to this level than you ever have or will.
@@robbiemize I'm not a pitcher, I'm actually an umpire and former catcher. So shut your amateur mouth and respect authority. It's not a sob story, it's a perfectly acceptable explanation. Pitchers go through a lot of problems with their arms, greatly affecting control. Bob Davidson was a racist, arrogant prick with no respect for the game, so that doesn't help your point.
@@thecaynuck4694 lol so I was right, you have no idea what it takes to be a pitcher. Get back behind the plate, Blue. And be sure to open your eyes while back there. And your "respect my authority" a la Cartman, is pathetic and hilarious at the same time. Thank you for the laugh! Lol 🤦♂️
@@robbiemize Wow, very punctual reply. I know a lot about pitching and pitcher injuries, despite not being a pitcher. Arm injuries and coming back from them can have an effect on accuracy. Plus there was no history between these two teams. Respect my authority before I eject you.
I can understand tossing someone getting in your face, throwing equipment and disrupting the game. But those first two? Catcher wasn't doing anything, and the batter was walking back to the dugout. There was 0 reason to toss em out, and umps need to have a check in place for that kind of power.
you don't know what the catcher has been saying all game, even while looking away. there are plenty of players think they can MF the ump if its done discreetly. and they are wrong for thinking/trying that.
2:00 I don’t really agree with this being an ump overreacting. He threw 2 pitches, one of them behind him and then the 2nd hit him. If his control was legitimately that bad then how did he get clearance to pitch? I didn’t see the ump get overly aggressive or anything like in the rest of the clips.
That was a 90mph meatball that wasn’t towards the upper shoulders. Intentional or not, let them play, especially since no warnings were issued. 100% an overreaction.
The pitch had just returned after a break of playing so could have been a bit rusty, plus that was the ump thinking about the overall bad blood between the teams not that game currently
@@brianforsberg4359 Anyone that doesn't agree 2:05 is the correct call, has proven they would make a horrible juror. If you can't see intent there.. Just cause the pitcher is a good actor and looks stunned means nothing. We judge by what was done not what was said.
This is what happens when you give a job that requires a keen eye and level-headedness to ornery old farts who've had cataracts for 30 years and need a damn walker to get onto the field. I don't understand why anyone above the age of 55 can even be an umpire.
Stop being rude to the elderly, umps actually get 99.5% of calls right and they're old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. The players are crybabies.
The Caynuck I don’t know about the players part but elderly umps should be the more level headed people on the field. With that said any ump that does this should get disciplined by calling Marlins games because I swear that some do it for attention and nobody watches Marlins games, so there’s that. The other angry old farts should only ump every once in a while as they start getting grumpy with life...
@@unintentionaleffectiveness4393 That's a stereopype about old folks, but not many are like that. Some of the most sane umps like Hunter Wendelstedt, Dale Scott, Gerry Davis, Jim Joyce are great. Old, racist farts like Bob Davidson suck ass. That idiotic grumpy man umpire can be found on comments on a website called UEFL about umpires, and he blames everything on others and never the umpires. He's so negative.
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The only one I would 100% call an overreaction is Eric Cooper coming out from behind the plate to yell at AJ Burnett. Hallion/Lackey and the Kazmir clips are honorable mentions. The rest are likely players saying the "magic words." Striking out looking and telling the umpire "you (fucking) suck" doesn't take very long and is an instant toss.
I know umpires have a hard job, but how do you miss some of these calls, the ball is right down the middle, and most don't admit that they made a poor call and get angry/defensive then toss a guy
@D exactly. Nobody wants to watch some fat attention seeking egomaniac tarnish the game because a player hurt his feel feels. Bring on the robot umpires. It's long overdue.
I don't think an umpire overreacts when tossing a pitcher who throws at a batter and misses, then throws at him again and connects. Ian Kinsler no less. One of the most docile players in MLB.
Yeah of all the calls on here that was the one I am ok with the ump tossing him. Clear as day that he meant to plunk him but missed the first go round.
I didn’t care much for Jim Leyland when I was younger but the older I got, the more I realized he undoubtedly cared about HIS players regardless and would stand up for them. I see Buck Showalter in the same light, and Joe Girardi as well.
HopeForNope fuck all that. Those were the first 2 pitches right there you know that was on purpose. Those teams had beef anyway so no warnings. They knew that
2:05 isn't an overreaction. Threw behind him, then hit him. It wouldn't have been an overreaction to toss him after the first pitch. I have an idea for some middle ground on the whole "you can't argue balls & strikes" thing. I think it would make sense to allow each manager/pitcher to approach the ump to talk about the strike zone every 3 innings (after you pitch in the 3rd and the 6th) - a 30 second conversation on the way to the dugout. I think umps would be more lenient towards the momentary shows of frustration knowing there will be a civil conversation coming up. I think pitchers would maybe feel the same way. You simply can't comment on balls and strikes now, but if you cold ask a question or express an opinion between innings a couple of times a game - that might be good for the game.
Well I guess you never have pitched. Try starting a game after coming off the 60 day DL, not warming up because of stadium ground rules and all that. Warning? Sure. Ejection? No.
Lackey's wasn't overreacting, he was obviously throwing at Kinsler. Umpires don't have to give warnings on egregious pitches when the intent is obvious to everyone.
Disagree. He's throwing at the body not the head. Second, it's two pitches in - throwing out a starting pitcher that early completely changes the game. Issue warnings and then throw him out of he does it again.
@@danlorett2184 once is an accident. Twice in a row requires effort. And if not, tough shit. All that warming up leading to that.... and you do it twice? You shouldn't be on the mound. Period.
True. If the pitcher is a danger to the batter for whatever reason, then he shouldn't be pitching. The umpire was making the game safe in the only way he could.
@@danlorett2184 Throwing at the body can still cause injury and a helluva lot of pain. The batter is seriously vulnerable in the box and the pitcher is taking advantage of that vulnerability. It's like if I were to go to work and at some point in the day, while I'm typing away at the computer, some big guy comes up and punches me as hard as he can in the kidney.
@@boofert.washington2499 Reminds me of Dempster throwing 4 straight balls at A-Rod awhile back. You get one shot at that "retaliation pitch" If you miss it, it's on you and you shouldn't be trying to hit someone again. I guess it's just another baseball unwritten rule which is another reason why I like the game so much.
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@@wikidclownchris It doesn't matter. A fucking ten year old can pitch better than that. If his control is legitimately that bad, it's dangerous to allow him to even be in the game.
GreenFroppy 212 Leyland should’ve smacked the shit out of that umpire or the very least the player should’ve swatted the umpires hand away and point a finger in his face saying don’t touch me
The Answer To 1984 Is 1776! That’s a instant suspension. Umpires are allowed to hold coaches and players back to protect themselves and there fellow umps, they do it out of safety. Players and coaches aren’t allowed to touch them while arguing because it’s considered the same as assault. They are the authority of the field, they are the bosses and are in charge until they leave. Don’t cross lines, obey the rules and respect the ones in charge, stay in the game, pretty simple.
@@nateward9592 first off, umpires aren't allowed to do that (See Joe West suspended for holding Jonathan Papelbon). Second, that umpire had no right to push a batter torwards the dugout like that.
Robert Hyatt he was suspended for not just holding him back but for grabbing his jersey and forcibly yanking him when he continued, which is very much a no no. While that was wrong of Joe, Umpires ARE indeed allowed to protect themselves and fellow crew members no different than I am allowed to protect myself and my fellow referees on the football field when coaches and players are fired up. We get to hold them back and keep them from progressing further because we want to stay safe and we want to help them avoid further problems. And he did have a right to give him a light push towards the dugout, he’s the umpire, it’s his job as the authority of the game to move it along. Batter lingered more than he should’ve and tried to whine his case rather than walk to the dugout, as an umpire you’re not going to allow that. He gave him a nudge to move along when he took too long, rather than fully engage him and make it a scene, they took offense and they went up in arms when they really didn’t need to, it wasn’t THAT big of a deal. Again, listen to the authority of the field, obey the rules and don’t do anything to ruffle feathers and we all get along no matter the field or game. I’m a little more lax in that if someone needs to lean in to say something, put an arm around my shoulders to lean in to speak (especially since I’m only 5’7, not one of the taller guys) I have no problem with that, I get it can get loud. I abide by the rule of you respect me I respect you. But if they come in with a chip on their shoulder, shove me or say something wrong to try to get my attention, then the trouble starts. That’s the point where penalties and possibly ejections occur. And trust me, I’ve officiated long enough to know this stuff by heart. I’m a sports nut and an official that takes things to heart and makes sure to know them to the last detail.
@@nateward9592 I have officiated baseball for 9 years. If I did what that umpire did at any level, I would be in trouble. Now, I understand coming in between my partner and someone who are arguing after an ejection, but a) the batter wasn't ejected, and b) there are other ways to incentivize the batter to return to the dugout without putting your hands on them. I appreciate the comment though. As a fellow arbiter, I can understand how tough these situations can be. The last thing I want to do is instigate an overreaction, and putting my hands on a player in that way would definitely do that. Good luck to you in the upcoming season!
When can we stop having gym teachers like these damn umpires and have gym teachers like a super buff, super skilled athlete who’s super cool, super chill and super friendly?
