UMvC3 Palette Swap - DMC5 Vergil Combo Video Part 1 (Mod Showcase) 

Do you think you can reach Unstopabble 200 hits with this new Vergil?

It's definitely doable, especially with DMC5 Vergil style Sword Loops

@@glass4624 Alright. 👍

Pretty sure Nero is being worked on 0:37

@@_Prismadoll 6 months late but there's a Nero skin mod for Dante, it even includes Nero's voice lines.

Yeah, about Nero... it's actually happening.

Oh I know and I am super excited. I can not wait!!!

V having in a team would be ridiculous It would be like 3+3vs3

No, They would ban him from tournament for breaking the game

Man, he’s already broken as hell, this version is somehow 10 times even more broken

Capcom would nerf Vergil to hell until he turns into a dan tier following a patch update released just after day one.

Dude, almost everyone already plays Vergil.

@@James-oj6ru Finally somebody said it! As soon as I seen the title I was like... na... not him

It was hard not to end each combo with it since it's such a badass super.

YOU SHALL DIE I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING PROVOOOOOOOOKING BLACK CLOUDS IN ISOLATION

I'm getting the same thing with DMC1 Dante where I have no idea where I would begin to add in assists lmao

@@glass4624 Maybe you can use te doppleganger of Vergil in the assists

I'm definitely going to try an 'all-specials-in-one-combo' with this character but I'm not certain it's possible either. Kave really picked a on excellent moveset for Vergil.

Thank you! The first and third combos start with higher damage starters, I think the main culprit of the high damage right now is Flurry (the df.H then mash H) does a lot of damage at min scaling. I don't think these combos are entirely practical beyond the first so the damage feels appropriate. For reference too, Judgement Cut End (The first super) does 180k unscaled at any point of the combo which is fairly low for a super.

Thanks man! Each of these combos were about 30 seconds give or take, the first combo I uploaded was about 45 seconds lmao

Thanks for the kind words! It really is crazy how much my channels grown in the past few months. I appreciate it!

No problem! I used to leave them off to keep the screen as clear as possible, but I've come to appreciate seeing the inputs and execution on a combo.

I think Nero was in that second battle. My guess is that it's a mod over Spencer

@@LatinGiudo817 That would be the most logical character to put a Nero mod on.

That's a huge compliment, thank you! There's still more DMC5 Vergil stuff on the way among other characters!

Vergil *did* need more power.

Something wrong?

Kave has done a brilliant job! As long as we have the genius creators to make the mods, I'll keep making the videos!

What do you mean by power levels? We usually have tiers

@@pochoboto yeah, tiers - it feels like the general strength of a lot of the custom characters are right up there to the point that a lot of the used cast could potentially feel entirely invalidated if the custom characters all have general capabilities that most of the cast don't. A lot of these modded chars can loop their own supers with relative ease and while it feels great, it doesn't even feel like hitstun scaling has an effect on half of what they do to the same degree that a lot of the real cast does. I'm just curious to see if there'll be a slight toning down overall or something down the line, or if they're going to continue making characters feel like they'd top a tier list. Either way, it's a fantastic mod and I'm lovin it all.

@@PrimeKeroHS tabs one of the modders not this one, said that he relatively doesn't care about the balance of the characters though he chooses not to pass the morrigan/zero barrier. These characters are meant to have fun with and not change the overall meta. Besides from the modded teams I've seen so far, not much seem to be replacing tier 1 teams such as zmc or morridoomverg.

Having actually played DMC5 Vergil in matches against someone, yes. He plays entirely differently from regular Vergil, he's much slower overall and plays more around the Judgement Cut charge and navigation using teleports to retreat and play more defensively, and much like regular Vergil he has very poor defensive options up close. I can promise you won't be hitting most of the combos you see in the videos I've posted so far considering how challenging they are, his damage tends to top out at a pretty average amount, especially from the types of hits he gets.

Firstly, I want you to know I appreciate you trying out the characters first to really get a feel for them. I haven't played DMC5 Vergil in a match yet and I might not play him too much since I play regular Vergil, and much like DMC1 Dante the muscle memory screws me up badly. From speculation, I think this version is a defensive powerhouse since he has great space control options in tracking JC and stationary RT, options to move in the air and Deep Stinger goes through projectiles. His only real cross ups are rdp.M which is quite telegraphed and Rapid Slash, which has been made slower so his mixup game is certainly weaker. I'm also curious to see how efficient DT is since it stops all meter gain for 20+ seconds which can really screw you up.

Good question. You need to release and immediately rehold (in this case) L, then time the H,H,H and with a slightly delayed release of L, you have enough time for the PJC. Later is a combo this gets much, much tighter however. It is one of his more challenging things to get down but it's worth it as it opens up a lot of route extensions.

Pretty much yeah, you should see the install bar show up above Vergil's meter after his heavies or certain specials, you let go of it while you have a charge held during that point.

For context, I hold L for the charge inputs. After the Helm Breaker, you need to let go of and IMMEDIATELY re-hold L, (you can use any button but I prefer to) press H,H,H with the required timing then let go of L again just as the third orb hits. It's definitely harder than it looks, I'm still yet to get fully consistent with it.

@@glass4624 i didn't even think of using a different button for the followup JCs, this makes way more sense lol

I've got the timing down to release it as early as possible, with the exception of JC x3, PJC which requires a slight delay

Correct! His combo routes are totally different than they were before, it's like he's an entirely different character with some familiarities.

It's his hold a button charge move instead of Round Trip, once you let go, you instantly rehold the button, then you tap another button just before the orb hits each time and you can cancel the third in to perfect judgement cut

@glass4624 thank you, I been tryna do that move forever. You should make another combo vid w him

The premise is that while RT is out, Vergil can't gain, but more importantly can't lose his held charge, though in this case of Judgement Cut rather than RT. I do st.H, H follow up which both have a PJC cancel window with such a timing that it overlaps and by double releasing (in this case) L, you can chain two PJCs. It's a glitch (and a super sick one at that), but Kave said he can't fix it due to how the game still recognises Vergil's RT as the held charge special while it's out.

Not a stupid question at all - I play mostly on an XBOne pad but they wear down too easily, so I've gone back to a 360 pad starting from the Vergil videos.

Bro can you do a hand vid I play on pad and have no idea how you do them combos

Nero is only a skin/voice mod at the moment (a very good one!)

To give people credit, DMC5 Vergil is extremely complicated and quite intimidating to learn for a tournament setting, especially for people who are only entering for purely fun. He also wasn't on a lot of hosted servers since he's over slot 1

@@glass4624 When was he released, and when did you first see him played in any capacity?

Just made a post on my channel with the link!

Its 'Divine Hate' from DMC3

Not unbalanced but true to myself

Nero is literally in this video 😂

@@Thisisaweirdthing2makeusdo it's only a skin mod

He certainly can. Optimal Lightning Loops do about 580k so he can definitely kill all characters solo, let alone with assists.

Indeed, it's a texture mod from some time ago, a user by DanteOnWiFi imported a DMC4 Dante model that's available on NexusMods

@@glass4624 If only if it had DMC4 Dante's voice clips as well

If other characters haven't been banned from play (which will never happen in this game) I don't see how a combo video makes you think this character will.

@@glass4624 There are “no Vergil” tournaments that you can search up, you can do your own research on that. More importantly, nobody wants to play against a character like this - an even more broken version of an SS tier character.

I've not personally encountered those types of tournaments but I'll take your word for it. At a competitive level however, characters won't be banned. I do want to reiterate my point that judging whether a character is broken or not from a combo video without trying them is rash.

That's true, but the benefit here is that not every character is imbalanced and imbalance is not unique to mods. You're judging how a character is from a combo video without (presumably) having tried them or seen them in action. Secondly, the mods are released with the intention of being 'officially' added to tournament play.