This is brilliant. As a physician the intrinsic value of my relationship with patients has been crushed by the extrinsic value imposed by the corporation which owns the practice now. Death by a thousand small cuts- and physician burnout results. Both patients and physicians unhappy but corporations, insurance and pharmaceutical companies making huge profits. I am sure similar in other professions and industries in general. Humans cannot live on capitalism alone.
I've come to believe humans are living on capitalism alone and its concomitant result: Those in power feel superior, thus smart; they own the physicians and all else.
@@NN-fz4pdnot everybody wants to be a business owner, or is capable to be one. Some proffesions need bigger organisation, and professionals can thrive in their trade more in an organisation.
@@NN-fz4pdbecause navigating the admin nightmare that is the insurance industry as a self employed person with graduate school debt and no inherited wealth is not doable the alternative being having a massive cost barrier past down to patients. Humans cannot live on capitalism alone an economy based on greed.
"You know what, you're great, you look fine, you smell nice, you're amazing, you don't need anything more today. -That would be the worst advert that'd ever been done, right?" Absolutely eye opener Amazing video, thank you!💪
@@The-WellWhat if you can't afford to live and do things you want have to work just for extrinsic value of making money and I'm DAMN TIRED AND DEPRESSED PF IT AND FED UP..life should not be about making money..I am beyond sick and tired and it just makes me more depressed
@@leif1075you are right i feel the same. The problem is this system is made by other people to get richer and its sick and mad. It is much more complicated every action we make has some impact on others somehow good or bad. My advice is try to not think about money i always think about life we have cuz sadly there is much more pain in this world. Peace mate. Stay strong stay positive. ❤
as a person with aspergers, I struggle with extrinsic value. its a common problem for aspies from what i read and hear - we have immense trouble perceiving and pursuing extrinsic value. which means we attain happiness possibbly easier but success much harder. even when we go for things like position or award, we do it because we think it will make achieving intrinsic goals easier.
The majority's definition of value is corrupted by appeal to popularity logical fallacy. We live in a societal cult of opinionism, nothing but a Romanesque dumpster fire emulation, cults within cults within cults... Shit, you're in one right now in this forum. RU-vid is a cult and likely the well is a cult.
Sometimes you got no choice other than doing the things not because of intrinsic motivation because rent is due and your life depends on it. Happy for all the privileged one. Also grateful for this life. God bless everyone
I'm in my 60s now, but over the years, I've learned to walk away when my values did not jive with my environment. Despite being condemned as a 'quitter', I have left an abusive marriage which meant leaving a big impressive house to live in a tiny 1 bedroom condo. I left toxic workplaces who wanted more and more done in less and less time. I find while living alone, other people have very little influence over me. I live on my own terms.
I actively choose to look away of any ads out there. They mess with your brain and it's unhealthy for society. Add to that the people want things they don't really need at all, that's the worst part.
I definitely know what you mean. At the same time, i wound up growing an appreciation for the artistry of them. Sometimes they're honestly a blast to watch! But being able to tune them out is a skill im glad i also developed
Ever heard of attic space theory? I look at our brains as neurological real estate and it's theft of our physical brain space to bombard us with ads and of course it limits our potential. It should be a crime. Corporate fascism is out of control. Religion is nothing more than brainwashing just like this societal cult of opinionism loves to do so much.
Im not sure i’m forced to spend most of my daily time around a job about mostly making other people happy because i give a rat about buying or consuming anything but rather because i have an ever rising cost of life to pay for myself and mine.
It's funny how overly privileged people with the microphone never really consider what everyone else's lives are really like when they pretend they're passing out wisdom or these honey dicking puff piece fake wise man messages.
Excellent video, thanks, Well!! A few thoughts: 1) I love the categorizing of intrinsic and extrinsic. 2) In my opinion, humanity itself is experiencing a growth spurt. Growth spurts are often uncomfortable and awkward. When you know your in one, you can deal with it better. 3) Myself, i distinguish between moods and modes. It seems obvious to me that both produce different chemicals in the body. (Like pheromones, for instance.)
@@LeanAndMean44 2) I myself feel that humanity does grow and change, much like an individual does. As an individual grows up, you have new experiences that shed new light upon the previous ones. It analogizes well to the collective experience, by my account. A new technology creates new opportunities, possibilities, and experiences. On uncharted territory, we fumble around awkwardly for some amount of time, then we get he hang of it. The fumbling around is how I see the stage humanity is in at the moment. But I do think we'll get the hang of it, just like hitting maturity, when you finally know what size clothes you'll be wearing, etc.
@@LeanAndMean44 3) it was strange to me that, in the video, he gave the example of music, because I'm a music player. Sometimes I'm in the mood for playing a fast song, a slow song, etc. But if I'm trying to write a song? That's a different mode altogether. I'm not thinking about other songs, or what someone nearby wants to hear. It's like a different part of the brain is in use; a separate mode entirely. If I'm on stage, purposely playing for an audience, then I pay more attention to mood. There are endorphins in the room being produced or reduced. I wish I knew more about the chemical processes of the brain, but I'm quite sure they apply to the discussion, even though my study of the subject is limited.
@@MicahScottPnDwriters often talk about switching from writing mode to editing mode, i.e. going from a creative headspace to a critical one. Being in the wrong one can actively sabotage you from doing the other. You need to be immersed in your work as a writer but then as an editor you need to get some distance from it to be objective. So a mode is more of a way of thinking than a way of feeling, but there's often also an emotional component that comes with it. Is that close to what you meant?
I agree with and appreciate his point. However, the cast majority of jobs do not offer work with tasks that are intrinsically motivating and it's hard to see this as a practical option as a result.
I really agree with this and it's something I've noticed in my own life more and more to the point now where I'm really searching for intrinsic motivation. I'm 26 - I noticed I was going backpacking not to experience a new place or culture, but rather to take a photograph of the place for my instagram. Of course it was great to see a new place but honestly that was a big driver. I was self aware of this phenomenon at the time so less prone than others my age perhaps but still a constant desire and a feeling of anxiety if I was unable to capture a place with my smart phone to "exhibit it". I've had instagram deleted for a few years now and somewhat unbelievably I'm still feeling the echoes of that thought loop when considering travelling again, "why go if I can't post it? I wish I had my insta back then I could add this place to the photo collection." And I sure as hell am not the only one who thinks like this. Our culture is insidious. I'm doing some work right now trying to cleanse and find motivation from a healthy place.
A point well made and really well put. My best times in my life were 'Flow States' , usually doing something creative. But that is of course for me. Those are the ones I will remember until the day I die.
Same here but it requires MDMA or methamphetamine for me to control my fucked up neurochemistry that is the product of a genetic mutation preventing me from making use of folic acid. Unfortunately MDMA is illegal, I get terrorized, tortured, vilified, criminalized, shunned and both socially as well as psychologically destroyed If I dare take matters into my own hands. Can't get MDMA from the medical fascists either. The medical fascists are fucking absurd, abusive and even more dangerous than all drugs combined if you're trying to get amphetamines from them. They will torture you with your own neurochemistry and waste years of your life, turning you feral, into a rabbit dog, driving you to suicide or psychosis and that is their industry standard. My entire life has been stolen from me. 30 years straight of outright state-funded terrorism and not being allowed to do what I want with my own body. Nobody cares. Everybody just stands around and watches it happen. Everyone just keeps paying taxes to a bunch of fucking terrorists, nothing but Nazi sympathizing pieces of shit. I've no sympathy, no mercy, no happiness, no freedom. No more flow states. Nothing but rage and hate remains. Nothing but lamenting the 30 years of my life that were stolen from me as I was slowly murdered in a bedroom prison of relative poverty, tortured for my entire fucking life. Forced to live over 20 years in total solitude. What I've had is not living and none of these videos are going to make a damn bit of difference.
It's funny how overly privileged people with the microphone never really consider what everyone else's lives are really like when they pretend they're passing out wisdom or these honey dicking puff piece fake wise man messages.
Yeah, I look outward and I see all of the real physical problems and chains of causation that all intersect with the sabotaging of my life multitudinously. It's all incoming dangers when you look outwards.
@MetaphysicalAxiom over thinking on steroids my man...look out into the far distance and think of nothing except the beauty of nature and the wonder of life at all...just an idea
The power of the mind. Good old placebo. I wish that could work on me. Jedi mind tricks don't work on me though. Reality can't be ignored. If you're going insane, it probably just means that you're one of the minority that isn't insane.
It's funny that you used the phrasing "We lived in a machine that's constantly diverting us from what is meaningful about life" Because in French, "entertainment" is "divertissement" To entertain yourself mindlessly is to divert yourself from what really matters in life. I
If it's simple then it's not brilliant because it's actually an oversimplification logical fallacy. Anything that's popular is only popular because it appeals to people who don't accept that reality is complicated so you've got value dictated by appeal to popularity logical fallacy and oversimplification logical fallacy. Only makes me want to fucking vomit.
This is very useful, but slightly odd that you foreground Tim Kasser. The research goes back to the end of the 20th Century and there are huge data sets now from the whole Positive Psychology movement. Worth acknowledging the work of Ryan & Deci on self-determination theory, and of course all the other pioneers (Seligman, Csikszentmihalyi, Dwek, Santos, Frederickson etc). This is a movement, I think, rather than the single pioneer narrative you suggest. I think this is an important distinction, as movements of course have leaders, but there is some global momentum towards Positive Psychology approaches in education, business and community contexts.
I struggle with this. I would like to move out and get a better paying job in a nicer part of town. Mostly because it looks fun, and all the people who do those kinds of things look like they enjoy their lives more. I dont enjoy where I live now and the company I work for now. Am I driven by junk values for wanting to improve my situation? I often feel superficial and then just discouraged, only to stay in my current situation.
It's funny how overly privileged people with the microphone never really consider what everyone else's lives are really like when they pretend they're passing out wisdom or these honey dicking puff piece fake wise man messages.
Nothing wrong with wanting to improve your situation. But yes if you’re being driven by extrinsic values then even if you hustle to level up your home and your job, you’ll only be satisfied temporarily. Instead if you can focus on what you enjoy right here, right now and bring more flow state into your daily routine then you’ll more easily level up your job and home and you’ll also feel satisfied and enjoy your life. It will be so much easier you’ll feel like you’re cheating somehow.
Absolutely agree but unfortunately most of us have to work in jobs that are unfulfilling to pay the extortionate bills just to survive, and many times at more than one job. Many don’t have the money or time to spend on the extrinsic joy part and this is where society will break down because unhappy people are being pushed beyond their limits. To find joy (if not from your work) needs time to be able to look up and see the beauty in the world.
@@gaelin7976you may be well intended but of course you're an irrational idealist who doesn't want to face the cold hard truth of the reality we live in. You're clearly sheltered as well. Kool-Aid drinker.
It's funny how overly privileged people with the microphones never really consider what every1 else's lives are really like when they pretend they're passing out wisdom or these honey dicking puff piece fake wise man messages.
"The Well": a perfect channel name that offer us a place to drowned in our sorrow & discontent.. a well full of tears? We all know that it's your time up here while down here in the sewers of the comment section, we are at the bottom of the wishing well, scraping up loose change like the Goonies.
When life has become totally pointless (e.g. in old age), intrinsic motivation ceases to exist. Ironically, it's at that point that some extrinsic motivation can be valuable.
True, in my POV and recent experience, extrinsic motivation can also be helpful to get you through phases of total pointlessness till you can reach some ground where you are able to find your own intrinsic motivation.
Strange you would say in old age intrinsic motivation ceases to exist. I am a senior and I found the complete opposite. When you are young you are vulnerable to external influences. When you gain life experience and know yourself better, you can filter those out. The motivation that remains is the intrinsic. Perhaps if you never developed the intrinsic motivation at all, then when you are old and filter out the external, you find there is nothing left. Then you DO have a problem.
@@l.5832 I've always had very strong intrinsic motivation. However, a long series of adverse events, including losing my house in a bushfire, gave me PTSD (BTW the saying "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" is complete BS). I've been single 20 years and now I am estranged from my family. As an example of simple, but significant extrinsic motivation, In the past my family would invite me to dinner. Now they don't. Do I work up the intrinsic motivation to take myself out alone to dinner instead? You guessed it. No I don't.
@@pippacarron1861 Ironically, I am similar. Fled an abusive 23 year long marriage, most of my family dead but estranged from the few remaining. Had to leave an expensive large house that my ex kept and I have a tiny condo. But I am free of their INFLUENCE. Any motivation comes from me. I was also diagnosed with PTSD due to the abuse and it does take time, after going no contact, to turn the 'high alert' mode off. You can't have joy in high alert mode. It takes time but I believe you can do it. Just start small to try to develop some joy. (Don't try to duplicate what you knew like going out to dinner. Too much comparison. Do something totally different.Maybe take a cooking class!)
@@DonaldFranciszekTusk thanks for confirming that someone can see my comments. Too bad most people don't read them and even when they do all they want to do is argue, trivialize, offer shill mongering lies and piss on my intelligence. Lol
I really appreciate your efforts guy for trying to bring meaningful and knowledgeable contents but l just wanted to know if Johann Hari is a right person to be invited on your platform, this guy has had a past of some serious malpractices.
So does everyone who deals with medical fascists in America. The entire medical system is an abysmal atrocity designed for corporate greed and funneling money to insurance companies as well as the pharmaceutical companies, it has nothing to do with making us healthy.
Any ads shoved in my face get instantly muted -they are extremely annoying to me. Thank god for adblockplus. Theres plenty of idiots out there who avidly lap them up and even wear them - theres no need to try and force feed those of us who HATE THEM.
you should look up the root etymology of the word " passion" is italian "passio" which is translated to "suffering".. we all the capacity to reevalute our lives.. but we go to schools that are not concerned with our happyness.
If all your needs and responsibilities were met what would you feel drawn to do? Or if you found out you only had 3 months to live what kind of moments would you savour? What do you think is interesting, what do you feel curious about, what would you do for free just for the joy of it? If you’re not sure, start by noticing what brings you joy in your daily life and pay attention to how it feels in your body. Deliberately look for the small moments in each day when you see something beautiful or fun or someone doing something kind and write them all down. Look for 10 things a day that evoke that little “Yes” inside your body and pay attention to how you feel in your body when you notice them. Is it like a subtle sense of relief? A glow on your skin or in your heart or your gut? A subtle relaxation of tension? This trains your mind and body to look for intrinsic motivation and to know what it feels like. After some practice you’ll start to feel when your body says “yes” to various activities and so you’ll start to discover what your intrinsic passions are and feel motivated to explore them and spend time on them because you feel good inside your body when you do. The best part is that this feels better and better as you practice it. To start off it might feel like a chore, it might feel discouraging and cringe and remind you of all the things you say “no” to each day. But keep going, because it’s a miracle once the momentum hits and you eventually find you’ve built a life that you don’t say “no” to because the intrinsic motivation becomes your default mode even when you’re doing things that you aren’t passionate about. The daily grind becomes the daily flow.
I like the point about extrinsic and intrinsic but im a bit annoyed at the sort of slam dunk on conventional advertising, ignoring how much of it IS telling us "hey youre doing great" and slipping in a hook alongside it. Im thinking mostly of things like "health" influencers and new agey stuff that sells you feel-good platitudes without (necessarily) selling you products, but simply hungry for clicks/online engagement.
That's what I define as honeydicker apocalypse for you. Puff pieces, fluffy bullshit, spiritual nonsense, pretending people's opinions matter, blowing sunshine up each other's asses, nothing but mindless obsequiousness and those are the people who get trust, get the jobs, get to be on some RU-vid video talking to the world selling a bunch of bullshit, those are the people that conform to corporate greed enabling, those are the people who get voted into positions of political power and meanwhile anyone who is the least bit negative gets shunned by the entire population over their culture shock. Then they go back to their cult and ignore the smartest people alive forever.
If all your needs and responsibilities were met what would you feel drawn to do? Or if you found out you only had 3 months to live what kind of moments would you savour? What do you think is interesting, what do you feel curious about, what would you do for free just for the joy of it? If you’re not sure, start by noticing what brings you joy in your daily life and pay attention to how it feels in your body. Deliberately look for the small moments in each day when you see something beautiful or fun or someone doing something kind and write them all down. Look for 10 things a day that evoke that little “Yes” inside your body and pay attention to how you feel in your body when you notice them. Is it like a subtle sense of relief? A glow on your skin or in your heart or your gut? A subtle relaxation of tension? This trains your mind and body to look for intrinsic motivation and to know what it feels like. After some practice you’ll start to feel when your body says “yes” to various activities and so you’ll start to discover what your intrinsic passions are and feel motivated to explore them and spend time on them because you feel good inside your body when you do. The best part is that this feels better and better as you practice it. To start off it might feel like a chore, it might feel discouraging and cringe and remind you of all the things you say “no” to each day. But keep going, because it’s a miracle once the momentum hits and you eventually find you’ve built a life that you don’t say “no” to because the intrinsic motivation becomes your default mode even when you’re doing things that you aren’t passionate about. The daily grind becomes the daily flow.
@@joolslorien3936 thank you, I'm surprised at how much effort you put into replying to a comment from a random anonymous person. I've copied and pasted your answer into my personal notes so I can think about it.
Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
Yeah, but the problem is hypergammy. Almost all women are only going to go for a guy who makes at leeeeeast as much, or, more often than not, morrrrrre money than her, and is at least as high, or higher, in social status. And attractiveness is verrry high in what most men are looking for. And, most very attractive women are high in social status, and are probably also doing reasonably well, financially. Additionally, mannnnny women won't even considdddder a man, for a siiiiingle second, who makes under a certain amount of money, or less than she does, and then also isn't very high status. This is all, primarily, biological and, therefore, pretty mich guaranteeeeeed not to change. And, likewise, people prioritizing money and material possessions, to signal their higher networth and social status, isn't likely to change, either.
Nope. This only applies to the women who are solely extrinsically motivated. Any woman with a secure sense of self who is intrinsically motivated will still be looking for a high-quality man but she’ll be looking at character not material worth.
Easy comparison, consensual sex versus whore. Any time you do the thing for money, you're getting screwed. And it feels like it. What adult doesn't know this, probably every working day?? The second 'wisdom', advertising is bad, not super surprising. And his expense account at KFC, and his short lifespan due to thinking exercise is for other people? Also not exemplary. Who is this guy? Mr. 'Do what I say , never mind what I do'? The Well, 4/20 must try harder.
You are explaining in part why i am so full of love and typically joyous inside my art and writing despite a staggering lack of financial reward and tit-curdling pain 24/7. Thank you for this, i thought i might be just spectacularly lucky in my precise insanity.
I cannot be the only one who couldn’t help himself from laughing at his story. No mockery involved. It’s just one of those life-imitates-cinemart moments.
I know this is not the main point of this video, but I call BS on the notion of intrinsic vs. extrinsic motivation. An "intrinsically motivated" pianist is developing a skill that could potentially earn him a living later on, or maybe just increase his social status, and I find it hard to believe that at least some hidden part of his brain doesn't acknowledge that. An "intrinsically motivated" people's person is developing networks that could likewise benefit him later, and so on. Behind every activity claimed to be driven by internal motivation alone, there is some ability to gain external rewards being developed. To me, that indicates that the division of motivation in two different types is more ideological than anything else. It fits a narrative that man, a social animal, can be happy completely regardless of any external conditions, be it social, economic, familial, laboral, whatever - a claim which is ideological in nature, not scientific.
Hey! ALL comparison is invidious - envious. Some really amicable cultures recognize this and dissuade adolescents from "winning" too much after discovering their skills, as it crushes and is often intended by the "winner" to crush the exuberance of the younger, and those to whom the activity is new. A ballet dancer must enter each day's class seeking to flow with the new, never before experienced mix of motion and music. While comparisons due to variation do occur, and motivate specific development in areas of lack, it is the personal entrainment with music and others that drive the joy which leads to persistence and excellence.
Yes! Comparing anything to the past, your imagined future, expectations, or other people, it sucks the life out of the moment. It blinds you to the infinite possibilities and aliveness in each moment. You can strive for a goal but when you’re in the moment, forget the goal and pay attention to the flow. Competitive drive is a shallow experience compared to joy.
On the flip side, Intrinsic motivation can't survive forever without extrinsic motivation. Impoverished genius is a over used cliche. If you live all your life in poverty and deprivation your intrinsic motivation eventually vanishes, no matter how well you cultivated it all your life. It is sad but it is true; Empty stomachs don't play pianos!
It can also be restored as well, if you have lived through poverty almost all your life. It will certainly crush your spirit, however people will move on although it takes time, eventually you learn that there are things you can't control. Some people die never accepting it, others will truly understand that to live a meaningful life we have to control the things we can and things that are right in front of us. So I would argue that accepting your situasuion can somewhat restore your intrinsic motivation in life.
@@DDazai4709couldn't possibly disagree more. Poverty is not simply a lack of money. It is a lack of all positive influence, a lack of access to vast swathes of society. Grinding poverty is only bearable when everyone around you is in the same situation, when subsistence is the best anyone can hope for.. In modern Western society that is very rarely the case.
@@jonnylumberjack6223 Intrinsic motivation is influenced by social standing I agree, however social standing does not define how you live the rest of your life. I could be in absolute poverty and still be able to find some happiness and joy to living, certainly faith and religion can contribute to that. I could also be living in a modern western society and be relatively poor compared to the average citizen, sure I will be miserable however if acknowledge that there are things that I can't change with my current situation, it would lead to acceptance and slowly but slightly a happier life. If social standing was such a doom that it would suck all the joy, then there would not be people who have risen from the rock bottom to live a more meaningful life.
@@DDazai4709 Some, very few, but some people do manage to get out of the social situation they are born into. If they could bottle whatever it was that gave them the vision and fortitude to do that, that'd be great. I don't think it would include accepting anything about the impoverishment that surrounded their beginnings. Religious faith would certainly help that acceptance, but at what cost? Cast aside any and all logical thought and immerse yourself in a fairytale. To me, that'd be worse than financial poverty. Thing is, people are complicated. For you, acceptance works. For others, it's not an option.
Crux of the video - There are mainly two types of motivation, 1) Intrinsic motivation 2) Extrinsic motivation. We are effected by both but more we get effected by Intrinsic motivation more joyfully we live & more we get effected by Extrinsic motivation more miserable we become. There are lots of studies & experiments that are done on this types of motivation. Gratitude for the learning. ❤
Yeah right. After a while you don't get gratitude from learning anymore because you know so much that it torments you. You'll know better than every point of authority, you'll know every person with an opinion is wrong, you'll never have the right to do what you want with your own body and you'll be forced to watch malfeasant rulers torture everyone and destroy the world while you get oppressed and censored even though you're the one that knows what to do to fix it at that point.
