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Unbelievable Poker Move: Folding the 2nd Nut Flush at $1-$3? 

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In this video, we're discussing an unbelievable poker move that may look questionable at first, but is in fact, a great fold. We're discussing the Fold 2nd Nut Flush at $1/3NL.
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@bookedroomer
@bookedroomer 11 месяцев назад
jesus that high jack is an absolute donkey min clicking with the nuts on double flush board and jamming over the top when one of the draw gets there
@iamawuss
@iamawuss 11 месяцев назад
Live poker is great.
@AtomicAndi
@AtomicAndi 11 месяцев назад
minclick turn seems to always be the nuts here in Europe, not sure why Bart did not mention that, rather seeing weakness
@bobsburgers8885
@bobsburgers8885 11 месяцев назад
Interesting hand. This is a VERY clear fold. Bart mentioned that someone in the chat wanted to call because this is "essentially the 2nd nuts". That's horrible logic; if you don't find a fold here you need to work on hand reading. Absolutely everything in this hand points to a fold; the absolute strength of your hand is irrelevant. One player "doesn't have fold button", the raiser is a "solid player" and therefore knows that, and is therefore unbalanced here (has no bluffs). You have the Jc to go with your Kc, which blocks most of the value range that you can beat. The solid player is not playing Q5s. The suited connectors that he might play all make straight flushes that beat you. You are losing to all the Axcc (and he can be playing any of them). You are beating QTcc and maybe Q9cc (though I doubt Q9 is in the villain's range). You literally losing 90% of the time here. Heads up it's a call because he will have bluffs. In this there are no bluffs and his value range is absolutely destroying you.
@afwaller
@afwaller 11 месяцев назад
Great fold, I don’t know if I could have found it though multiway always makes me pucker up
@johnnytimestamp8224
@johnnytimestamp8224 11 месяцев назад
word for word what i said in my head, except "pucker up"
@TheNow_Now
@TheNow_Now 11 месяцев назад
pretty sick fold. Lesson learned, 3b pre and make your life easy
@gabrielrockman
@gabrielrockman 11 месяцев назад
I think not 3 betting was the right move. The HJ was clearly a fish, and hero wanted to be in a pot with the HJ. We can see from the HJ's plays (minclicking on the turn with two flush draws out there, and then 3 betting the river without a flush) that you really want to be in a pot with him. If the hero had 3 bet preflop, the HJ either folds (a disaster) because there are two players behind, or the HJ calls, and the button also would have called, and the hero would have lost more money. I don't see the button folding to a 3 bet closing the action preflop when he's trying to get into pots with the HJ, just like the hero is.
@patrick_kyker
@patrick_kyker 11 месяцев назад
and then you chase away the fish and you get the good player to call you
@mrflip0921
@mrflip0921 11 месяцев назад
he would of lost more money clown
@iamawuss
@iamawuss 11 месяцев назад
Given the river action, I disagree that this is a sick fold. I can't see BTN raising worse flushes or bluffing in this spot frequently enough to make this a profitable call. Also, consider the HJ is still to act. Pretty standard fold IMO.
@WillPage
@WillPage 11 месяцев назад
3 bet in hindsight might not be good.
@nicholi2789
@nicholi2789 11 месяцев назад
Wow what a hand! Super interesting one and definitely something to think about. I was thinking A10cc. The raise on the turn makes sense because hed have turned open ended and the nut flush draw
@xxmetallica808xx
@xxmetallica808xx 11 месяцев назад
When the BN raised on the river, at first I thought "oh, my hand is under-repped, I'm calling there". But when I paused the video to think about it, there really aren't many flushes that could get there on the river that you beat given how the hand was played. I don't think I could have seen this in real time though, probably would have called. Definitely thought it would be a5cc though.
@no1ghostrider
@no1ghostrider 11 месяцев назад
Q/10 of clubs was what I was thinking, man tough spot - wow great fold - it being a multi way pot is what really changes the dynamics
@WillPage
@WillPage 11 месяцев назад
Q10cc raises river for sure. Also it's perfect hand to stick around on turn.
@thaThRONe
@thaThRONe 11 месяцев назад
Went to Philly 2 weeks ago. Play at Live, Rivers, and Parx.
@EllieBanks333
@EllieBanks333 11 месяцев назад
I think we got at least 1 piece of evidence for caller's description of BTN as a good player. His river play should be the effective nuts 3 handed on the river here.
@sensi2713
@sensi2713 11 месяцев назад
What a fold, bravo sir 😮
@losyart
@losyart 11 месяцев назад
nice fold . Im not sure if im capable in that spot for doing so . Congrats for caller
@kingdurkalerpa1044
@kingdurkalerpa1044 11 месяцев назад
Great fold, but I think that's why you have to 3 bet post flop because the button will be flat calling with all the ace x suited types of hands, especially vs bad players. I think if u 3 bet u get the good player to fold often and get a call from 1 of the bad players.
@walterfisher5749
@walterfisher5749 11 месяцев назад
I think this is a solid fold given the early position lead out and big raise by the button. Kind of squeezed here, and more hands out there that beat you than ones you beat, with any realistic assessment. Also his assessment of the button player.......Hurts to fold here, but I think it a good one given the situation.
@saikgamingproductions
@saikgamingproductions 8 месяцев назад
"jams JTo like its the nuts" LOL
@CGCareerCentral
@CGCareerCentral 11 месяцев назад
Before the end is revealed, I'm remembering a hand a while back with a similar situation 3 ways where hero folds the winning flush to a 3 bet from a smaller flush, and the original bettor called with a smaller flush. I'm wondering if this might be something like that.
@CGCareerCentral
@CGCareerCentral 11 месяцев назад
Ah was very similar. Better result this time.
@stevenundisclosed6091
@stevenundisclosed6091 11 месяцев назад
Not likely in this situation given the lack of combos.
@CGCareerCentral
@CGCareerCentral 11 месяцев назад
​@@stevenundisclosed6091I was actually having deja vu because in that other hand there was also a lack of combos. The villains had two of the only possible lower flushes that hero could beat. That's why it stood out in my memory.
@AtomicAndi
@AtomicAndi 11 месяцев назад
happened to me more than once, although in plo hard to predict to which level they overplay
@Jackson-kv4gh
@Jackson-kv4gh 11 месяцев назад
That was a fun hand
@tharealroblee
@tharealroblee 11 месяцев назад
Typing this before the result. Due to the looseness of this table, someone has a 10 at the very least and is overplaying it. See people do this all the time with on board straights. Easy fold after a bet raise, but heads up I would call
@lpslpslpslpslpslps
@lpslpslpslpslpslps 11 месяцев назад
Very interesting hand
@patrick_kyker
@patrick_kyker 11 месяцев назад
I like how the caller justifies his actions from player tendencies. Barts like you should 3bet in a vacuum but then you chase away the fish.
@iamawuss
@iamawuss 11 месяцев назад
You won't scare a LAG fish away with a 3b in this spot, a 3! would be fine.
@gnoel5722
@gnoel5722 11 месяцев назад
call me a fish, I am never folding there. Especially on a splashy table.
@joesperling1967
@joesperling1967 11 месяцев назад
You’re a fish
@brandondorsey7204
@brandondorsey7204 11 месяцев назад
I don't think calling the river is where the mistake in the hand was. You can't flat pre flop hoping to induce action with a hand that can be coolered.
@WHEREAMI42
@WHEREAMI42 11 месяцев назад
You bet and see and raise and a call (or jam) then it’s an easier fold/fishier call.
@gabrielrockman
@gabrielrockman 11 месяцев назад
If the HJ is a fish that isn't folding, and the button is a competent player that knows this, then you gotta fold.
@iamawuss
@iamawuss 11 месяцев назад
What suggests the table was splashy?
@user-re2fp1nt6f
@user-re2fp1nt6f 11 месяцев назад
What if the button reads the same as the hero that the HJ is never bet folding and has the jack hearts with 10 of clubs and is blocking the big straight flush and is thinking they have gin in a 4 liner to someone never folding their bet they make. This is uncomfortable and if you don't have the jack of clubs here you got much easier call. This is now in my mind a feel of how I think the button is playing and trusting a live read. I know this isn't sound but sometimes have to factor in.
@justmusic2353
@justmusic2353 11 месяцев назад
Doubt the button is just calling on the turn with the nuts on this wet of a board and many nut changing rivers to come
@bryanjohnson8162
@bryanjohnson8162 11 месяцев назад
If you three bet preflop and then continuation bet on the flop then I think you win that hand most times pretty sure A3 is not holding on after a big flop bet
@bc3ldr69
@bc3ldr69 10 месяцев назад
Have to play the player(s)... great hand!
@AlexH274
@AlexH274 11 месяцев назад
This is the 5th nut flush, not 2nd.
@robertbotelho9702
@robertbotelho9702 11 месяцев назад
Nope, it’s the second. A straight flush isn’t a flush, it’s a straight flush.
@BobWeiser-dy6wz
@BobWeiser-dy6wz 11 месяцев назад
I can probably never fold here given the player pool in Philly. It's almost as bad as Texas. I mean guy shoved J10 ...
@marknoble5495
@marknoble5495 11 месяцев назад
I folded this hand once and guy showed a bluff. I’ll never do it again. Everyone at table said no way you fold. I gave the player way too much credit. I was actually sitting to his right.
@gunsandgaragegear601
@gunsandgaragegear601 11 месяцев назад
Yeah I would need to be 3k deep (on 1/3) to consider folding second nuts lol.
@gunsandgaragegear601
@gunsandgaragegear601 11 месяцев назад
Probably still snap call
@tharealroblee
@tharealroblee 11 месяцев назад
This is actually the 5th nuts
@mickaelmalove2553
@mickaelmalove2553 11 месяцев назад
That was an interesting one. My first reaction was if you're folding 2nd nut made flushes, you shouldn't be going in preflop with Kx hands. Still not sure if this was a good fold or just a results biased outcome. I think the determining factor would be if button also recognized the player with JTo didn't have a fold button, because then you can more confidently discount that he's bluffing and the analysis of there being very few weaker flushes holds: but if everyone at the table was capable of bluffing/folding reasonably accurately, this feels like a hand you have to call to protect against bluffs. Like, what's the range you represent in this spot, and what % of it are you folding if you're mucking K high flushes?
@hidude1354
@hidude1354 11 месяцев назад
I get what you're saying in terms of mdf, but what hands is button really bluffing here with? I don't think the lone As takes this line multiway esp with the min click turn and also you have to find Axo hands for the button. I think this is really a fair fold bc it's a perfect exploitative > gto spot. also considering blockers like bart said, hands like K2 K3 are better bc we unblock QJ J10 that can be value betting
@noex100
@noex100 11 месяцев назад
Worrying about "balance" and GTO at 1/3 is a great way to go broke. Play the players, not some computer bullshit.
@Hotobu
@Hotobu 11 месяцев назад
In addition to what was said above, on this board there are also two straight flush combos with suited connectors. Sometimes you have to look at the action and be able to lay down big hands.
@gabrielrockman
@gabrielrockman 11 месяцев назад
The HJ is a fish that's giving away money: you definitely want to get involved in a hand with him, even if the button is a competent player that's also in the hand. When the button shows this much strength against a fish that's never folding, then it's a clear decision to fold.
@iamawuss
@iamawuss 11 месяцев назад
"If everyone at the table was capable of bluffing/folding reasonably accurately." You don't play much live poker do you? 🤣
@1vailchris
@1vailchris 11 месяцев назад
Great hand reading, check on river, and laydown by caller. Even if hero 3B pre, it doesn't seem like HJ was going to fold, and if HJ calls, BTN would probably call behind, so hero lost the minimum on this hand.
@Paul_pp
@Paul_pp 11 месяцев назад
But if you 3 bet pre and continuation bet on the flop he is most likeley out of the pot
@1vailchris
@1vailchris 11 месяцев назад
@@Paul_pp HJ isn't folding an OESD on flop. BTN *might* fold his BDFD. Depends on hero's bet size. With four players in the pot on the flop, is hero really going to bet huge with just two overs and some back door draws?
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 11 месяцев назад
@@1vailchris If H 3-bet pre to $120, no one would called. Maybe BTN only, and he would've been easily forced out on flop C-bet ($100). Case closed. Then, with a spec hand (has 0 ZERO!! Showdown value) betting turn high connected board into 3 opponents is a disastrous play. SO: H is the biggest FISH here.
@1vailchris
@1vailchris 11 месяцев назад
@@pot_kivach160 You should start your own YT channel, since you know more than everyone else, apparently.
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 11 месяцев назад
@@1vailchris thanks for the idea. I might starting it one day. Soon. Stay tuned. 👍
@alexh8613
@alexh8613 11 месяцев назад
Lot of smaller flush draws out there. 2-3 clubs, 3-4 clubs, 4-5 clubs, Q-10 clubs. Hell this is a $1/$3 game. People love calling preflop with suited cards, until it gets to a 3-bet, then everyone folds. Q-2,3,4,5 clubs could all be showing up. Of course there are a lot of AX of clubs combos out there too. All these hands would be eliminated if there was bet on the flop, but it checked through. The HJ really screwed this one up. He opens with J-10. Then hits an open-ender on the flop with two overs. He checks. If he continuation bets, he most likely takes the pot right there. Button could also be just bluffing with the straight on the board. If you don't have a 10 or flush, you're folding to the raise. That's a little suicidal though with a player behind
@HopyHop1
@HopyHop1 11 месяцев назад
4-5 clubs beats the hero's hand.
@EllieBanks333
@EllieBanks333 9 месяцев назад
You think the button raised with 23cc here? You have to actually listen to the player descriptions for hand reading. The chance he turns that over here is 0%. Keep listening to Bart's hand reading & you'll start developing some skill at it.
@jacobbirkenfeld9261
@jacobbirkenfeld9261 11 месяцев назад
The thumbnail makes him look like woody from Toy Story. There’s a snake in my boot!
@AlexH274
@AlexH274 11 месяцев назад
10-9c, 9-5c, 5-4c, Axc, then King high flush.
@Justice4Skye
@Justice4Skye 11 месяцев назад
That's not the point, of course he knows that the nuts are other str flushes, it's the fact that putting opponents on ranges and how hands play out there's just hands they simply cannot have in this spot, which changes the RELATIVE nuts.
@Todd_Walker
@Todd_Walker 11 месяцев назад
Wouldn't his hand be the fifth nuts?
@bryanjohnson8162
@bryanjohnson8162 11 месяцев назад
That's what I'm saying clickbait
@zeekus2222
@zeekus2222 11 месяцев назад
Pretty rough spot as played. Seems reasonable not to give anyone a straight flush that contains the 9c after flop check through... Odds of a two card A high flush out against you when you have a two card K high flush is around 2%. After checking the river and seeing this dynamic with the bet/raise with a straight on board I think I may have sigh called this one off =/.
@guybrushthreepwood8174
@guybrushthreepwood8174 11 месяцев назад
won't spoil it but good video
@kuramakitsune6167
@kuramakitsune6167 11 месяцев назад
King high flush is only the 4th nuts on that board easy fold
@thaThRONe
@thaThRONe 11 месяцев назад
You want to keep bad players in with KJs? 3 squeeze these spots almost every time.
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 11 месяцев назад
2:00 you wanted to keep them in?? Good for you! You really managed to keep em in!!
@evrenturan5632
@evrenturan5632 11 месяцев назад
910cc 95cc Axcc many flushes beat him and he blocks other Broadway flushes.
@sgp9608
@sgp9608 11 месяцев назад
I came to the fold as well, but mostly because of the Btn raise size. That large sizing tells me he's more likely to have a straight flush or the ace high flush. Great analysis by Bart. there are so many more combos of ace high flush. I don't know if any of us can think that clearly in the heat of the moment though
@JMacSD
@JMacSD 11 месяцев назад
yes I realized that AXc beats me and there's several X he could have that beat me, but was leaning toward call/shove anyway - but Bart explaining that there are very few clubs that (based on the way he bet) he could have which we beat (no A) is why I come here, I want to be able to think like this on my own.
@sonicboomers122
@sonicboomers122 11 месяцев назад
Is this a reupload
@CrushlivePoker
@CrushlivePoker 11 месяцев назад
no. We never reupload
@MattyOh78
@MattyOh78 11 месяцев назад
I woulda open shoved river, but i digress
@ensomniiac
@ensomniiac 11 месяцев назад
5th nut flush 9c 10c, 4c 5c, 5c 9c, Ac x better hands
@eltoroloco1936
@eltoroloco1936 11 месяцев назад
Unless you're playing deep stack, in 1-2 with the 2nd nuts, you're only playing the player and any tells. I can't fold otherwise
@brianfarley4814
@brianfarley4814 11 месяцев назад
I don't understand why you'd even mention "at 1-3". Reason being that I'm much more likely to fold a big hand at 1/3 than at any higher stakes as opponents are capable of bluffing.
@Tomatolover120
@Tomatolover120 11 месяцев назад
I was thinking the same. I'm starting to think if you study poker strategy/ theory at all and have the bankroll it's better to play at higher stakes cause the lower stakes are full of so many players who break that paradigm.
@user-bn2wt7pf2b
@user-bn2wt7pf2b 11 месяцев назад
Im broke there.
@Gdupfromthefeetup
@Gdupfromthefeetup 11 месяцев назад
9/10 clubs is the nuts and 4/5 of clubs is the second nuts. KJ of clubs is actually the 4th nuts.
@WHEREAMI42
@WHEREAMI42 11 месяцев назад
Actually 9/5 is the second nuts and the second nut straight flush… that’s different from the second nut flush (Kx) mentioned in the title.
@SherryAPerry
@SherryAPerry 11 месяцев назад
9/5 is also first nuts, and there are three credible combos of Ax.
@thedealermusic
@thedealermusic 11 месяцев назад
@@SherryAPerry eh no
@JohnSmith-nx7zj
@JohnSmith-nx7zj 11 месяцев назад
@@thedealermusicit 95cc isn’t the first nuts, what hand beats it?
@GWrench9
@GWrench9 11 месяцев назад
HJ is the preflop raiser and gets a flop he can definitely work with but checks it.....why not C-bet? If he bets, he takes it down right there and doesn't lose everything.
@gunsandgaragegear601
@gunsandgaragegear601 11 месяцев назад
It always surprises me how shocked you are Bart with open sizes. I’m a regular near full time player and when I play 1/2 the typical standard open is 20, and over a $5 straddle, $30. Sometimes 1/2 I go 25. People call with 710o otherwise.
@BobWeiser-dy6wz
@BobWeiser-dy6wz 11 месяцев назад
$1/2 and $1/3 aren't Barts strengths. He almost should hand these hands off to more knowledgeable players.
@justmusic2353
@justmusic2353 11 месяцев назад
So you don’t want people calling you with trash hands? Let them call with T7o and print money
@richardray5297
@richardray5297 10 месяцев назад
I would’ve never folded here
@stephenmoore4002
@stephenmoore4002 11 месяцев назад
At 1/3 I'm never folding.
@AtomicAndi
@AtomicAndi 11 месяцев назад
well played
@bryanjohnson8162
@bryanjohnson8162 11 месяцев назад
Fifth nuts not second nuts!!
@eternalselph
@eternalselph 11 месяцев назад
yeah im going broke there. im not very good
@montezuma6962
@montezuma6962 11 месяцев назад
I'm never folding
@BigBundy82
@BigBundy82 11 месяцев назад
Going broke with the second nuts is the right play😊
@androSS.
@androSS. 11 месяцев назад
@@BigBundy82except it’s really not the second nuts
@lloydchristmas1086
@lloydchristmas1086 11 месяцев назад
without hearing ending im sure Bart says its a clear fold 😂
@Paul_pp
@Paul_pp 11 месяцев назад
Caller just wanted everyone to know how Awesome he is
@MattyOh78
@MattyOh78 11 месяцев назад
Lol
@Stacked_high
@Stacked_high 11 месяцев назад
Well, he is kind of awesome, soooo; about your comment, it's spot on.
@iamawuss
@iamawuss 11 месяцев назад
In what way?
@jaketaylor3129
@jaketaylor3129 11 месяцев назад
Its an ugly spot but he can EASILY have the best hand. Well actually there arent many other flushes that he can beat. I think I have to call because of the check.
@jamesjones2675
@jamesjones2675 11 месяцев назад
Lesson learned….. bet the flop, get rid of the junk.
@rppoker8541
@rppoker8541 11 месяцев назад
Scared money
@JMTavares7
@JMTavares7 11 месяцев назад
Bill First!
@jonathannagela2130
@jonathannagela2130 11 месяцев назад
It was obvious th guy had th nuts. Bart downplays low stakes players as if everyone is an idiot. ALL of barts fanbase is low stakes players though???
@relaxationmeditationsleep2934
@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 11 месяцев назад
It's the 5th nut flush btw
@seslocrit9365
@seslocrit9365 11 месяцев назад
No one has 95cc here
@bobbywhite1645
@bobbywhite1645 11 месяцев назад
@@seslocrit9365 at 1-3 live? You see the J10 river jam?
@montezuma6962
@montezuma6962 11 месяцев назад
Have you ever seen the hands that call $20 in a 1/3 live game? In my room, there might be 2 or 3 players that are playing almost every hand for $20.
@CrushlivePoker
@CrushlivePoker 11 месяцев назад
nut flush =ace high flush in this case, 2nd nut is kigh high. Straight flushes are in a different hand class, imo. KJcc might be 5th nuts but not 5th nut flush.
@relaxationmeditationsleep2934
@relaxationmeditationsleep2934 11 месяцев назад
@@CrushlivePoker c&p "As far as 'nut' means the best possible hand, 'nut flush is the best flush available within each hand."
@marknoble5495
@marknoble5495 11 месяцев назад
Cracks me up people think $20 is a big raise in 1/3. Just 2 days ago I 1/3 the whole table called my $35 raise after limping and we had a 5 way pot when utg+1 3bet $20 to $130. Y’all just don’t know lol
@pot_kivach160
@pot_kivach160 11 месяцев назад
If H 3-bet pre to $120, no one would called. Maybe BTN only, (?) .... and he would've been easily forced out on flop C-bet ($100). So, Winning $60 (20 bb) pre, or $180 (60 bb) profit on flop - easy and simple. Case closed. . Then, with a spec hand (has 0 ZERO!! Showdown value) betting turn high connected board into 3 opponents is a disastrous play. SO: H is the biggest FISH here.
@EricPrincipino
@EricPrincipino 8 месяцев назад
As experience as you are how do you get that wrong hijack cut off button is the order It does not go hijack metal position button
@ryanturner3432
@ryanturner3432 11 месяцев назад
I honestly don't know why anyone looks to Bart for advice. Every time I watch him on stream he plays like a total nit and he's steamrolled.
@mrflip0921
@mrflip0921 11 месяцев назад
fairly easy fold though.....not loving it but its a fold
@paulvallett4955
@paulvallett4955 11 месяцев назад
I think he's bluffing with A club