'Unbelieving Mates' Dishonest Intent, Horrifying Counsel & more! 

The difference between how witnesses treat those with a pre-existing "unbelieving mate", and those who choose an "unbelieving mate", led to me ceasing going to meetings.

Yep, all true. They convinced me to stick with an ab*sive husband, eventhough I was maintaining him, I was financialy independent, had a car and all. Just 'prayyy Jehovahhhh' and 'go in field service'. I was idiot enough to listen to them. In the end, I kicked his behind, and watchtower too, but I'll never have back 13 years of my life 🤷🏻‍♀️

Always an awesome time when Surviving Paradise drops a video!

Thank you so much for this topic as a husband whose wife is an "unbeliever", before waking up I overlooked my wife's loving qualities and just looked at the fact she's not a baptised witness which created alot of arguments etc and feeling under pressure when some days she didn't come to the meetings or assemblies and being asked "where's your wife?" During those occasions. Fast forward to waking up marrying my wife was one of the best decisions I made after feeling regrets for getting baptized. I'm so happy I woke up before having kids to experience birthdays and Christmas and not having them sit at a Kingdom Hall bring indoctrinated. I always show how much I love my non JW wife for putting up with my indoctrination cause she could of easy just walk out. Thank you for this love your podcast

My mum was a JW and my dad wasn't. But he was never against it and the congregation I was in as a child was very nice to my dad and my dad was always invited to functions and he invited JWs to his etc. We were lucky as that congregation were more human than some. My dad did eventually become one. I guess all that love bombing. He told me he did it for my mum. Bless him.....

Thank you so much! I once had an “unbelieving mate”. His sisters who are JW’s urged him to study. So finally he said , I will, but first I research on the internet about JW’s. That was it. He told me “do you know what’s going on in your religion?” I didn’t want to hear it. But eventually I woke up on my own. He passed away 3 years ago, and I realized then, how much I neglected him, I worked fulltime, on my days off it was field service, meeting , study, preparation etc etc… you are so right!

I knew a few, "unbelieving" husband's. They would drop their wives off at the kingdom hall and scurry off. Their work ethic and desire to earn an income superceded their love for jehovah. Besides, Sunday was time and a half pay. I learned work was an exceptable excuse for not attending meetings, and a weekend job was salvation for a lot of men. Beats sitting in a kingdom hall listening to some elder droning on some mind numbing topic.

Stacy, as a mathematician, let me say how much I appreciated this podcast. As powerful, beautiful and wonderful as mathematics is--and I'm sorry your experiences with it have been unhappy ones--I appreciate how you highlighted the abuse of mathematics as practiced by the WTBTS. The passage you quoted from Luke 12:6, 7 is a wonderful one because it can help keep the vital science of mathematics in the proper perspective. While mathematics enabled the Universe we inhabit to be created and inhabited, it is LOVE that has sustained it. The WTBTS has forgotten this in its pursuit of power over others. The rest of us must always remember that each of us is greater than the sum of our individual parts.

If the unbelieving mate needs help with his fence after baptism he can go whistle! Love your demonstration of the elder talking to the guy who's just lost a kidney ... comedy gold!!!

Wow interesting that a jw sister can save her unbelieving husband and children, even though he is the ‘head of the house’?

An elder told my wife that i was the head of the house but she was the "spiritual head" of the house

My Dad was not in, but after his siblings died,, he got baptized to please my mother. He was a good JW for last 10 years of his life. Love is a funny and precious emotion, right? Ah I heard now you cannot marry a non JW or get kicked out. And JW are encourage to get divorce if one mate leaves JW...that is crazy control!! And do JW celebrate birthdays now? This cult is trying to save itself due to money coming in and members leaving trying to stop. I heard trying to convert Muslim too; they made special tract. What!!! Thank you again...your data is so good plus you make me smile.

53:01 hit me hard. My mom chose the organisation over our dad- the sole breadwinner and non-narcissistic parent.

Yet another gem exposed!!! Thank you Stacey 🙏🙏🙏

This hit home. I grew up in a divided household, with my mom a witness and my dad an "unbelieving mate." It's an emotional tug of war all the time, on some level. The compromises that aren't really compromises, when the JW-side can't give in, without being in violation of "God's rules" and the nonJW side just going without. My dad's side of the family regarded mom and me a bit weird. Though I only knew of that through my mom telling me -- they didn't let it show to me, to their credit. I seem to remember, when I was quite little, dad would sometimes hang with some of the brothers from the congregation. There was a common interest in nature photography there. But then after a while it just... stopped. I suspect he'd been included with hopes of 'reaching his heart' and when it became clear that it wasn't going to happen... 🤷‍♀ I'm grateful that I grew up with my dad's nonJW influence. I had at least SOME kind of "me" outside of the JW-me. The flipside of it is that I grew up feeling like I was split straight down the middle. Not fitting in either world.

An unbelieving mate” gave me a tip that the railroad he worked for was looking for rate clerks. That resulted in a 29 year railroad career with a great retirement. I’m a big fan of unbelieving mates. My wife and I both became unbelievers aka unbelieving mates of each other in 1999 and don’t think we’re so bad.

Always blowing watchtower out of the water. Thanks again for what you do and for the laughs

As a worldly spouse, I really appreciate this video...

Powerful! Outstanding material as always. It's definitely triggering but needed. The experiences left me speechless and angry. I wonder if the Borg could be sued for encouraging members to stay in abusing relationships? Extremely powerful episode... thank you!

Another great discussion, Stacy! I can relate to just about everything that you discussed in this particular podcast! And then you cracked me up with” teaching a monkey Hebrew”that was epic!

These Governing Body members need to swap places with those living in fear of being murdered. How long would they last? Having said that. What hind of a mindless woman allows herself and her children go through this horror, just because the GB says so. Why do that to your children through their formative years. I was trapped in a situation like that, it was bad. I ended up moving to another State, I told no one except my mother. I have 2 now grown sons now, both are in loving relationships. Goodness only knows what they would be like if i had of stayed, we could be dead, or they might have copied a monster.

I went to pioneer school lost my job when l arrived back home from it (because l took the time off for it) got disfellowshiped met my now husband 3 days latter all in under 3 months. Got reinstated after 1 year because my husband said "you seem depressed you should go back to being witness" Never did l want him to become a witness because l knew he would get disfellowshiped because he liked to smoke and loved horse races. I have been married 40 years and you are right he had to put up with lots of things normal husbands don't like me going to meetings not doing celebrations I feel l am a pretty balanced human though because lve seen both sides of things and was pretty lenient when it came to birthdays l figured l could give the kids presents but not a party. I never raised the kids as witnesses mostly because l never wanted them to go through being disfellowshiped. Since lve been mentally out lm not so down on myself and l have much more respect for my husband (as a witness woman l think its been ingrained into you that you are better than your non believing husband)

Big Hugs Stacey !

I am horrible at math too. If you ask me a math question, I feel like I’m going to faint.

Thought provoking video. And you said you love me, cos I'm bald, and that made my day 😅

Life totally sucks. Almost live in a tune out and shut down state. Before- trust in Jehovah and the organization. The statement is made that we must take on the responsibility of moving forward and redefining our lives. But know matter how I look at it or what effort I think I can make, there is no way to make the changes necessary. This fear and recognition is greater than the idea we had about Armageddon.

👋true, true, true!!!🙄 Thanks, Stacey!❤️👍

I love when you say, “Quote …”

Then the kingdom of heaven will be like this. Ten bridesmaids took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. When the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them; but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was DELAYED, all of them became drowsy and slept. But at MIDNIGHT there was a shout, LOOK, HERE IS THE BRIDEGROOM ! COME OUT TO MEET HIM ! Then all those bridesmaids got up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish said to the wise, Give us some of your oil for our lamps are going out. But the wise replied, NO ! there will not be enough for you and us; you had better go to the dealers and buy some for yourselves. And while they went to buy it, THE BRIDEGROOM CAME, And those who were READY Went with Him into the wedding banquet : AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT. Later, the other bridesmaids came also, saying, LORD , LORD OPEN TO US ! But He replied, TRULY I TELL YOU, I DO NOT KNOW YOU !! JESUS

30:01 Wow! An adventure, huh? It's extreme physical and emotional abuse; not a fucking hike up the mountains. Jesus wept!

My grandpa isn't a witness, it breaks my heart to know what he has put up with the last 50+ years.. I could've been celebrating holidays with him all along..😢🤬

Great podcast, per usual. Unfortunately, I was on a Body w/ a brother who had PTSD from handling any marital “Shepherding” Calls. Why? He expressed to me he was responsible for a sister getting m*rdered. As she came to the brothers, seeking counsel about possibly separating from her abusive husband, he said they asked her was there anything she could do better to win him over? He said they asked is she making his headship more difficult by not acquiescing to what he wants? Then they shared 1 Pet. 3:1-2, & began to share articles that u highlighted. 2 weeks later, tragedy took place. The brother told me from that point on, he didn’t feel qualified to handle any marital matters.

Awwww Yeeaaahhh my guy Stacy let's do this 🎉🎉🎉

Hi Stacey! Great Monday to You!

In a world where faith is a fortress, Where numbers are the measure of worth, There exists a group, silent and voiceless, Unbelieving mates, scattered across the earth. Raised in the light of the Witness, In a paradise, so they claim, Yet for those who stand on the outskirts, Life is a different game. A label, a tag, an outsider, In a community bound by belief, The pressure to convert is a constant reminder, Of a love that comes with grief. They navigate a path of solitude, In the shadow of the faithful's glow, Their identity, constantly misconstrued, In a world they're yet to know. Yet, they stand strong, resilient, In the face of subtle disdain, Their journey, though silent, is brilliant, A testament to enduring the strain. So here's to the unbelieving mates, Who live in the margins, yet thrive, In a world that often alienates, They find the strength to survive.

I hate math too Stacey. 🤮 Calculators on cell phones is the best thing ever

Hi Stacey, No1 fan here from the other side of the pond. Just thought I'd write you to say I've managed to fade over the last two years without any real consequences. Also I've reconnected with my brother who was df about 8 years ago. I was amazed that he still believed the crap the cult spewed out! Sent him a link to your podcast to listen to. Speaking to him the other day, he was so glad he listened and couldn't believe he lived in fear for so many years! So I just want to say thank you, not only for making Monday mornings something to look forward to, but for opening his eyes to their BS.

Definitions to help navigate through this video: *"unbelieving mate":* a person that has eyes, ears and a functioning brain. *"adventure":* 1. Receiving a good old fashioned ass-whoopin' for Watchtower. 2. _"Hit me again, Ike, and put some steak on it."_ 3. Totally worth it if seven people eventually get suckered into a Doomsday cult. *"lost consciousness":* _see_ baptized Jehovah's Witness. *"spiritual food":* empty calories *"Elder":* _see_ angry, gun-toting police officer that joins a cult and gets a title. *"experience":* a fictional story created by a prisoner in the Watchtower Writing Dept. counting the days until their release. *"fanatical, weird religion":* a totally accurate assessment, the only true statement in the story.

I might add that they even enjoy reporting on these domestic violence situations as a warning to women of what happens when you marry out aka well deserved! absolutely no compassion! down right sadistic bordering psychopathy!

This apocalyptic cult is now running out of steam. The more time passes, the more this will become obvious to everyone. I'm not even talking about the date of 1914 which will itself disintegrate over time, but I want to talk about the last "lights" supposed to cover the old "lights". The “light” regarding Joel’s prophecy is edifying. This is not a question of an interpretative refinement like a growing “light” which would further support a teaching by making it more and more clear. No, here it is rather a question of abandoning one “light” in favor of another diametrically opposed to the previous one. The good locusts now become the bad locusts. The only argument put forward by the Watchtower for changing the "light" can be summed up in a single sentence: "However, when we examine the prophecy in its context, we see that it must be understood in another way" (Watchtower 14 April 2020 paragraph 4). For decades under the cover of holy spirit the WT will have taught a false teaching by supporting it with various biblical texts and plethora of explanations as for each new "light". Since 2020, the Watchtower has affirmed that this text MUST now be understood in another way. The Watchtower does not leave the followers the choice of conscience, it expects them to absorb this new “food” as they had absorbed the previous one. The follower is not there for thought, but to obey and swallow the new "lights" without blinking. A JW who in the 1980s would have dared to put Joel's text in context would have been considered an apostate towards the Watchtower. As time passes all these "lights" which were perfectly supported by biblical texts will end up over time with tarnish and disappear in favor of a new “light” just as accompanied by biblical texts. The latest “light” to undergo a complete turnaround is found in the May 2024 Watchtower study article #19. Paragraph 3: "In the past we said that after the great tribulation began, no one would be able to stand for Jehovah and thus survive Armageddon. We came to this conclusion because we believed that the Flood was a prophetic type.” Here of course the WT will not dwell on all the Biblical texts presented at the time on which it relied to support this “light”. Paragraph 4: "But is the Flood really a prophetic type? The answer is no. Why? Because there is nothing in the Bible that indicates that is the case." No church makes the slightest prophetic connection between the Flood and the end times. The WT and a few other Christian sects (Mormonism, Davidians, Chtundists, international churches of Christ, etc.) are the only ones to have dared to teach an idea that is not found in the Bible.

Rachab brought her mates in the room with the cord with permission from the God of Israel

AWESOME VIEWPOINTS!!!!

jw's were just at my door yesterday. Probably marked me on a slip hbh. 😂 Trying to recruit me once again, yet I'm not having it!

Hello 👋

Bout time man 😂😂😂😂😂

Stacey is 6 years older than Ann. In 2 years, he will be twice as old as Ann. Stacey is how old now? Yes, WT is as ridiculous as this math question. Who cares!!! Thank you Stacey, I hate math and WT too.

I was the unbelieving mate even though I was born and raised a JW. I was married at age 16 to a JW guy. Funny thing is he didn't try to make me believe any of it. I guess if my parents and the congregation couldn't get me to believe it for the first 16 years of my life then he had no points to add that could sway me. If he believed any of it himself then why did he not even try to come up with a great point? 🤷

Stacy: "I suck at math." Don't fret, Stacy. WT sucks even more at math. Examples, Odds that any of us have of even being born: 1 in 400 trillion Odds that WT is "God's organization": also 1 in 400 trillion Odds that God has an organization: 1 in a bajillion gazillion 1914 + 3.5 years = we're the only true religion. 607 + 2,520 = yet another date Armageddon didn't happen 1,260 x 2 = bullsh*t 9 GB members x 1 rational thought = 0

Once the Baptism Candidate is brainwashed, he or she qualifies for baptism. ( signing your life over to the Watchtower not God)

I can say from experience, after i woke up my wife didnt like me anymore. She spent all of her time with ppl at the hall and i watched our marriage crumble for 3¹/² years until she eventually divorced me. Recently she sent her brother to beg me to sign a paper saying that she's scripurally free to remarry, but she's only free if i have sex with someone else (which I haven't)😂 what a cult! I aint signing shit! Best of luck to ya!

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