Thanks so much - yes they are very lovely, glad you liked her! Yes it's a shame - but apparently a new one is being constructed! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Because I'm Batman Actually two are being build in the present One new build called Spirit of Sandringham and the other is a replica of No.61662 "Manchester United" so this great class will live again
I've got a tender drive locomotive unfortunately it's a bit of a pocket rocket but I only bought it because of the name plate my home town football team Hull City so I will mainly have it on display.
Almost finished building my little shunting loco from scratch! just need to make the body for it and better connectivity to he track and she'll up and running soon ☺
A lovely engine one of my favourite classes of loco, with my absolute favourite being 61660 Hull City (cos it's my local soccer team). A few points: of she's a B17/6 (modified by Thompson with a 100A/B1 boiler) she should be a 6P5F and not a 4MT - which some of them were during the war because they had their BP reduced from 220lb/si to 180lb/si. The tender is the generic GER type, so the class could fit on 50ft (I think) turntables that abounded the GE region, and it holds 3700gal water and 5T coal. The funny barrel on the back of the tender is the air brake reservoir tank, as all B17s were dual braked (with them having the vacuum brakes for working trains from other regions). So, on the fireman's side, there should be a Westinghouse pump along the boiler (hopefully it's in the detail pack). Not all the B17s were rebuilt by Thompson, some were modified with 100A (225lb/si) boilers, others were left alone (like 61660), and a few were made in to 2 cylinder B2 locos and used for royal trains! 2 of them also received the 4700gal tenders off of the withdrawn LNER P1 class. And they were first known as Sandringhams, due to the initial class member, with the footballers following on a bit later, but most crew referred to them all as Sandringhams and enthusiasts called them footballers (I'd have loved to have seen loads of soccer fans waiting for their special and the loco turned out to be the B17 with a rival team name). (I really hope I'm not being a pain, as I seem to do this a bit. I'll stop if you really want...?) But sorry I'm late to this one. I'm slowly going through all your vids. 😂 But...great one!
Not many people know that one of these nearly made it into preservation, number 61668 Bradford city spent a brief period being stored at Southend. It's most noticeable achievement while being there was were it's air breaks were used to rescue a failed emu. Unfortunately it was cut up in the early 60s at Stratford.
Hi mate, no I didn't know that - that's very interesting, and quite sad, to hear! It's a shame she didn't make it in the end :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I got the same model from hattons for the same price! I didn't have any trouble running it but my layout is a baseboard with no inclines. Great review as always! 😀
That model is so fantastic a friend of mine have No.61645 Curious Fact:The Class was also known as Footballers,two members of the class was Streamlined they were East Anglia and City of London but the Streamliming never improved the engine it was only for Publicitary purposes
Hi mate, thanks so much for the comment! Yes I've been reading about them being the football class - and I'd love to see a streamlined one too!! All the best, Sam :)
It was 1957 that the late crest replaced the early emblem, also the 2847 on the tender is more than likely the serial number for the tender. Very good and highly informative review Sam, I should probably think about getting one myself :) keep the faith - callum
Hi Callum, thanks for clearing that up - that's definitely one to remember! Many thanks again for your lovely comment - and yes these are well worth the money! :D Cheers, Sam :)
I have 'Serlby Hall', which cost me £120, and 'Barnsley', which was about £80. Lovely little locos. It's worth waiting for the latest model to come out, as there are great bargains to be had. Hornby's latest release 'Leicester City' is £159.99. I have a couple of older tender drive B17s. Both are pretty good runners on dcc, and are surprisingly well detailed.
Hi William - that doesn't sound too bad to me! But that's a very good point- and there's no real difference as far as I can see! Yeah I've had a few of those in for repair - they are very good actually! All the best, Sam :)
Hi Sam, Thanks for that one. I recently bought a B17 from Rails of Sheffield. I haven't seen it yet as it's still in the UK waiting for my next visit. David.
Great looking model. what a shame that you had to modify her straight from the box. Hornby are so hit and miss! A great entertaining video as always, well done Sam
Sam thanks for the review. I've a B17, Barnsley in BR green. I run my locos on a baseboard but had slipping problems with her. I'll remove a front bogie washer and see if it helps
Hi Chris, no problem - yeah give it a try - let me know how you get on! You could always remove more than one if the problem persists - good luck! Cheers, Sam :)
Sam problem solved. I removed just the one washer and she now runs beautifully. Had her running around with 6 non corridor carriages, a Gresley full brake and a CCT. Thanks again!
I know what you mean by boring 4-6-0 locos. GWR varieties are indistinguishable from each other at first glance, and Stanier, who learnt his trade at Swindon, didn't offer much more variety. LNER classes are more individual to my eyes, but most 4-6-0 designs were pretty settled between the wars. The BR standard MTs are more individualistic (or ugly depending on your point of view).
Thanks a lot! Yeah... I'm not saying I don't like them... just that I'm quite 'used' to them - and I prefer things to be unusual! haha you're right about that too, lol! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
#61646 "Gilwell Parl" was built at Darlington Works on August 23rd, 1935 for the LNER as their #2846, later renumbered to 1646 in 1946. It became BR #61646 in 1948 and it was withdrawn from service on January 9th, 1959. It was cut up at Doncaster Works on January 31t, 1959 at the age of 23.
These are real beauties. Wish we had these in America, if steam survived here. Then again, we do have an A4, and Canada has an A4 and a terrier. So, that's not too bad.
Hi Sam, just 'won' a new Barnsley - 61669 - soon to be changed to Everton - 61663. Didn't quite get your £74 which was a good price, but £80 wasn't bad for a new locomotive! As indicated, I've already received the Fox's nameplates, and have actually removed Barnsley in preparation for Everton. Numerals on their way, but will need to be a little more patient there. Battery test is great - all 12 wheels. Can't wait for Everton to appear (and play properly, but that's another thing!!).
Had fun fitting the detailing, including I hope correct placement of the rail scrapers (??) at the front. Then, I replaced the body after having tested all was running well at the office when it arrived, using a 9V battery .... all 12 wheels collecting .... and replaced the body for .... nothing! The HM2000 had no flickering lights, so it's obviously a poor / broken connection. Off came the lid and sure enough, motor wire to resolder ... back in place and now running perfectly. That washer removal 'trick' has certainly avoided haulage problems - 10 lightish Coronation red / gold coaches (6229 Hamilton has been having a run) but still a reasonable load, hauled without issue. Thanks for the useful information - mainly the washer bit on the front bogie. Alan.
great video Sam these three loco's look all so similar in appearance B1 B12 and B17 I think there its boilers are all similar. keep up thegood work I look forward to your videos. regards Mark
It seems like you are quiet confident in showing yourself in the videos now! :D It's good to see someone who is presenting a video! Fantastic loco by the way, and the details wow!,this is one of those i have in my list, first of all the Merchant Navy Class "Canadian Pacific"!
haha, I wouldn't say that - but I try to look it, lol! Glad you like that anyway, I'm glad I made that step! Yes it's a lovely one really, I really can recommend this one! CanPac is gorgeous too - you won't regret that one! Cheers mate, Sam :)
What ho, Sam. 1956 is the year that BR changed the 'cycling lion' (as the first BR logo was nicknamed) to the 'ferret and dartboard', which lasted until 1965....(well, according to good ol' Wiki), although i daresay the change didn't happen overnight. I've seen pictures of a GW class 14xx taken in the late 1950s that still bore GWR livery, for example, and countless pictures/films of mixed rakes of coaches with 'blood and custard' and crimson coaches, and i've experienced a slight amount of...well....tetchiness, on forums, if you mention 'Eras', as in era 4, 5 etc. Some people object to the use of that train of thought....as it were :P Lovely loco, though, beautifully presented as ever. I MUST get one :D Seems that Thompson didn't like Gresley, and did his level best to re-do, or just plain undo, Gresley's work.
Good review. I have the same B17/6 and the tender don't roll very well like yours (as almost all Hornby locomotives with tender I have). I also have another BR green B17/6 with a larger tender and it has the same problem. It's a bad bearing design by Hornby. Most (old and many new) Bachmann tenders don´t have pick ups but rolls perfect! I also don't like very much the extremely matt finish (I would like a more satin finish instead) but Hatton's bargain price was very good indeed! That's why I bought two of them! :)
I think it's largely due to the pickups - though yes the bearings aren't great either! Much rather have stiffer wheels with pickups than vice versa! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That tender on the B17 looks so similar to the B12 tender and how small it is. Oh wait its built just to replace the B12 locomotives. Interesting fact right there. :P
Hi Jeff, many thanks mate - yes they are lovely, I'm sure you wouldn't regret that! Yeah exactly - it seems quite a common problem with certain locos, the Adams Radial is definitely one of them! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, I’ve got the same model with the same issue of the middle tender wheel set not rotating smoothly. Bearings don’t look great. I’ve tried lubricating the wheel set. Did you just put up with yours or apply any kind of fix?
The only thing I'd suggest is adjusting the pickups so that they make weaker contact with the offending wheel - may be easier to remove the base keeper plate to do this! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A very nice review of one of Nr Gresley's less successful designs! I think the relatively inexpensive price is due more to lacklustre sales then any deliberate intention on hornbys part so you got a real bargain here.
Thanks Iain, yeah I think you might be right there - you certainly don't find prices like that on their own website! Even their railroad one is costing more than this did ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
20:04 I found my 3rd odd one out. Its the D16 locomotive. Its not a 4-6-0 like the B12 its a 4-4-0. This is the 2nd time I've seen the D16 in a odd one out train spotting before. :P
I usually notice on some locomotives on their driving wheels is that the rear wheel of the driving wheels go further back than the other driving wheels when it has 6 driving wheels. I'm guessing it might have something to do with the curves of the track. But nice 4-6-0 locomotive BTW Sam! :)
great model mate :), for the price I really don't think that you can go wrong with this one,the cab seems great,she runs well (apart from the minor problem) and she seems to be able to pull a lot!! I might have to consider getting one haha -All the best mate
I inherited one of these just yesterday; Grimsby Town DCC Fitted. Unfortunately, I can't get it to run at all! I usually use regular DC, but it wouldn't move :/
Late Crest came in with the British Transport Commission's 1955 Modernisation Plan as a way to 'Modernise' the corporate identity of BR. You probs know that now but I thought I'd comment incase someone watching didn't know!
Great model! Like I said before in the first Railway Series book picture, the two blue engines are a B12 and a B17. Wilbert Awdry said they were on trial but sent away for being nasty. The B12 is Alfred and the fans named the B17 Cecil. Are you excited about the replica and the new one being built? Mark Allatt tells me that the replica is likely never to be finished
Well the Hornby Railroad range is a more budget range of locos - less detail, but they cost less. The railways range has more detail, but costs more - that's it really, you can see lots of Railroad models on my channel! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Oh so it's like MTHs imperial line vs premier line, got it. I know from personal experience that even the cheaper models can have some pretty great detail, though my MTH imperial daylight did have the wrong valve gear, baker instead of walchaerts, but other than that it was a great model. Keep up the great work, love your videos, always good to see steam locomotives.
Good to see the ol' Footballer class on the layout. I have been keeping my eye out for the Liverpool one (for obvious reasons). The odd one out is the D16: It's a 4-4-0. But blimey the cab detail is bloody amazing for 75 pounds (135 NZD for me :( ) Cheers Avi
Booooooooooo, Hisssssssss, B17 Killer! (Thompson) Trainspotting time! I saw your: Ex lms Black 5 in Nwr Lined Green, your Ex lms patriot, your ex sr lord nelson, your Lner d16, your ex gwr star class and the odd one out was the D16. 20:55 Henry would beg to differ ;) Great video Sam, i actually agree with you about the character. However if there is any loco that wears Gresly walchArts the best is the B17 By far!
haha I know right! Very well done with the spottings, hehe! Yes that's right! Really glad you liked it, and yes I think you're definitely on to something there! :D Cheers, Sam :)
hmm a very intrestering problem, not as bad as henry's was but still, must be the machine had new battery's or full chage and the screw was in too tight, plus its an intrestering thing that can happen one to remember if it happens to another engine
haha yeah - Hornby know how to cause new and interesting problems, that's for sure! Yeah it's worth remembering - there's lots of engines out there with similar issues! Thanks for watching mate, Sam :)
Hi mate, no I'm not doing the A4, because they apparently have running issues, and that's too much to pay for a dodgy runner! But yes, I'd love their 52 one day! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
