Uncalled Fouls & Bad Sportsmanship | Pool 

Do you call your own fouls?

“Shane’s cue touches the cue ball, no way he didn’t see, hear or feel this” I’d argue there’s a legit reason Shane doesn’t hear lots of things.

You use the word "clearly" in every clip but it just isn't 'clearly' at all, just your opinion lol.

If the balls are touching, they become one object, therefor a push is not a double hit. however if there is any space between the two, it is a foul. so it makes it difficult to call some of these if we dont know if theyre frozen

That last one made me think I was at my local pub on a Friday night with all the 18yr olds thinking they can play pool how ‘they’ play it 😂

Holy shit Shaw was fucking furious. Then Strickland goes around acting like a damn toddler slamming his cue on the ground just to get his way.. if someone gets that upset maybe think hmmm it was possible that I could have messed up but nah Strickland doing Strickland things.

Some notes for the people in the comments: 1. You can shoot through the cue ball and object ball if they are frozen. The balls must be declared to be frozen prior to the shot to take advantage of this rule. If you don't declare them frozen, even if they are frozen, any applicable double hit or push fouls apply. 2. If the cue ball and object ball are very close to each other, but not frozen, the cue ball chasing after the object ball even a tiny amount is a very good indicator that a double hit took place. 3. The few exceptions are if you apply enough top spin to get the cue ball moving after stopping in that tiny space, cross face english where the cue ball is deflected sideways before going forward, and jumping the cue ball so it glances off the top of the object ball. The movement of these types of shots is very distinct from a double hit, so it is usually easy to tell the difference. 4. 45 degrees makes no difference in the wpa rules. Some shitty league rules or whatever may say otherwise, but they are not the official rules. 5. A push foul is a completely different type of foul from a double hit. It consists of prolonging the tip contact on the cue ball and is pretty rare. I don't think any of the shots here would qualify as push fouls. 6. Old timers used different rules regarding double hits. Modern rules regarding them have only been in place since the 90's or so.

I play in local tournaments and occasionally see someone foul but I wait for them to call it. If they don't, I know I'm playing against a cheater. I let it slide because I play for fun, not money or glory and, at 82, I don't need to get into a fight. I found the same thing with golf, sailboat racing and even cards. Most people do the right thing in sports but not all do.

Love the channel, great vid, keep them coming.

I have to admit some of the push shots you called are quite questionable. when the balls are touching the line between foul and leagl shot becomes thin. Like Shane's shot on 2:15.. I looked ok to me.

Ya know, if cue ball is frozen to object ball, you're allowed to stroke through it with a normal stroke. Most ppl don't know this, in official WPA rules.

0:41 that's a legal shot

"no way he didn't hear this" 8^) shane with his airpods off

That first shot was clean. The reason the cue appears to follow forward is that it actually jumps off the edge of the OB diagonally.

You are calling things push shot fouls that are not. It is perfectly legal to hit into balls frozen together, so long as there isn't prolonged contact or a double hit with the cue.

The Filler shot in the Mosconi Cup was definitely a clean hit, the ball traveled on the tangent line and then the follow took

In most or all of the push shot clips it’s unclear if the cue ball and object ball were touching. Whenever the cue ball and object ball are touching there is no foul because it’s physically impossible for a “push” shot to not occur.

Strickland never misses an opportunity to be the lesser human.

Most of your push shots were wrong except the bank ,that was a push

Thats only if there is a push rule. If a ball is frozen to cue ball technically every shot where you would make contact would be a push shot. As long as you are jacked up past a certain angle it is legal.

Nice video , please make more of these.

Lots of these clips are push shots indeed, but no foul since it is allowed

Earl is a huge cheat

If the balls are frozen it’s not a push. As long as you don’t double hit the cue ball!

I need the glasses you use brother, you make more push calls than a sumo wrestling

Good for the Scotsman calling this bullshine out!

Clip two The shooter jacked up to 45 degrees and the cue ball did not travel forward more than 3 inches,, it was a perfect shot

1:49 there is a way he didn't hear it

and that jump push from Shane... ppssssshhh...

I know Jennifer Baretta personally and she has good sportsmanship and I don't think she would ever NOT call a foul on herself so I would definitely give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't realize it. After all her opponent didn't notice it either.

With some of the elevated shots, even if you play the white without an object ball anywhere near it, the cue ball first goes forward and then comes back, without a push happening. I dont think shane's 2nd shot was a push

The second was clean

I remember watching that Bustamante's shot live on ESPN back in the day, gotta be the biggest controversy in televised pool ever. He even went on to have a private chat with the organizer after this situation (since PH hosted the WPC that year). However, I still think it's possible that the white hit two balls at the same time. Anyhow, Peach went on to win the cup lol.

I get that Earl is up there in the best players our sport has seen but it’s rly hard to respect him when he smashes his cue against stuff and things like that. Seen too many clips of that. It’s just immature.

Bustamante clearly hit the 9ball first...he even stops to look at it and then proceeds to except that it was legal because nobody said anything...lol

First shot. Where was the "obvious double contact"?? You put the arrow at the intended pocket, instead of putting the arrow where the supposed double contact was.

If the 1 was frozen to the cueball it was a good hit… I assume it was because that ref is experienced but we couldn’t see

those aren't push shots, they're double hits. push shots are different.

"No way he didn't see, hear or feel this" well you can take hear off that list where Shane is deaf lol

If Im not sure that I double hit a ball and they don’t call a foul I usually don’t call it on myself. But if they call a foul I will always trust them and give them ball in hand.

Loree was looking dead at the balls, clearly no rail, her own fault, but Jennifer is that type of player

When the cue ball/object ball are frozen, a certain amount of “push” is legal.

Actually jumping into the ball when it’s that close is one way to avoid the double hit…

I don’t know how someone think that it is not a foul when the cue is in an angle of 45 degrees. The official WPA clearly says: A double hit is avoided when the stroking-line (extended to the table) of the cue doesn’t not go through the objectball. All other “rules” are not the official.

I love how the channel owner is in the comments running off his ignorant mouth! LMAO

Did you know that in the "color of money" somebody made a foul and got away😂!

In this video: person who created it clearly doesn’t know what a “push shot” in pool is.

Damn! I'll never set foot in a pool hall again...the push shot is m y best and most often used shot. I just don't see it as that on some of these..

Damn that earl vs shaw scene doesnt get old. Very controversial indeed.

Dude. There were a few in here that weren't fouls. Just wow.

Be right back…. Gotta go look up “push shot”.

I don't think you know what an illegal push shot is.

Shane is deaf I know he didn’t hear it he turns off hearing aids

You clearly don’t understand what a “push shot” is

That 8 ball touch was clear which is why he initially jerked his head toward the 8 because he knew he hit it

You call foul on everything right I believe it's your opinion not necessarily the rules of the table that each incident have are a little different they may call cue ball foul only not necessarily all ball foul double hits/push shots are not always called depending on rules of the table at the time a lot will say if you elevate 45° or more not considered a foul and I doubt back in the day they had the understanding of the push or double hits and this is just my opinion anyway 😉

shane is more times then anyone, totaly unsportsmanship player

Usually your opponent knows it's no rail or call it out themselves

His mouth probably said two, but it did look like he was shooting at the 10.

Nice staff, It's strange that Marcel did not call a foul in 2nd shot. He's good ref, foul was obvious

Some of those push shots might have been frozen to the object ball, making them legal shots. It's impossible to tell from the camera view.

1:48 Saying he should’ve seen heard or felt this. There’s very little contact it’s hard to see on video and SVB was born deaf haha

I don't think any of these were push shots. Maybe one of two

This is like basketball you do not call your own fouls that is the referees job

sorry man I think the first shot was clean maybe double contact on the 8? because it seemed to be travelling tangelt line of the 12 but then again it seemed to hit the 8 second and double hit on the 8

3rd shot she was total snooker so I expect she shouldn’t need to hit a rail

You do realize in BCA if the balls are frozen it's not a push... only if they are not frozen and you shoot into the object ball

Btw .. Earl called the 10 ball, it’s obvious that the 2 ball doesn’t have a pocket and if you see the full video you can tell Earl is playing the 10 from The beginning. Jason in the other hand acted like a lil kid with no respect for the game or Earl but that’s a case of his own.

Shane’s Masse on the 10 ball. You could clearly hear the shaft make contact after the shot.

Second one is hard to call foul. Physically, it was a push-through yes. But the trick is to jack up the butt end of the cue on that type of shot and it's considered a good shot. This is by convention. In tournaments or money game.

the cheating bastards once caught cheating you should always be watched in case you cheat again

This is a legal shot, if the balls are frozen.

Listen- when you spend years in a pool environment you’re not…playing. You’re playing .

One nation dominates this part.. 🤣

Well it's pretty damn obvious you have NO clue what a "push shot" is 😂😂

The push rule wasnt introduced in those old clips so tot yem it wasn't illegal.

Shane’s second from the end, seems you missed the bit where you’re allowed to push through if the balls are contacting. Brush up on your rules

You're clearly not taking into account that the rules have changed multiple times during the time span you're covering in your excerpts. Back in the era of the Irving Crane versus Luther Lassiter match, for example, the modern definition of "push shot" simply did not apply, in particular not for frozen balls (which have been considered an exception to the rule in countless reiterations of the rule set). The next shot by Jimmy Caras is the only type that might have been considered debatable back in the era, and you'll notice it apparently wasn't, as Caras wouldn't even bother elevating, nor did the referee bother calling anything whatsoever. The next shot, by Roger Griffis, would in fact have been considered a foul in its era because he can be seen not to elevate 45 degrees, but then, all AccuStat Invitational events used their own rule sets, and Scott Smith, the tournament director wasn't one to overlook a foul if indeed it was considered one by the rules played that day. In Joshua Filler's shot at 6:25 minutes into the video, the cue ball can be seen to deflect sideways along the tangent line before the follow takes, so there you have your answer, all about physics. During the Shane Van Boening shot right after, commentator Danny DiLiberto is giving the relevant rules explanation, so again, the question would appear answered, except I don't believe Shane would have elevated if the balls had been frozen, as the shot would be easier to make without elevation if they were.

Lol some of these obvious push shots are obviously not

Calling these poor sportsmanship is just asinine

that first hit is debatable because if you look at the tangent line of the 10 ball, it goes into the 8 ball which after hitting the 8 ball the tangent line would be the same path that the ball went.

That shot by bustamante is clearly a good shot. It's a very thin clean shot

Earl is lucky Jason didn't knock him out. It was close. Earl had been asked to step outside, on occasion. One video is on RU-vid which Earl wisely declined.

I believe if the balls are kissing its not considered a push. But if there's a gap then it's a push

5:24 I think I saw a video on internet from other angle, and 8 is moved, obviously, but there was no contact with flying ball. Maybe it's because of him hitting the surface so hard?

At 1:35, did you really say that Shane “no way didn’t hear it”??? Wow lol

6:52 this was obviously a good hit.

1:44. Let me just remind that SVB is deaf so it means he can't hear the tip touched the cueball.

Obviously the person making this video doesn't know what's considered a good hit vs foul.

are you blind on bustamante shot, that was clear good.

The uploader must be an angry little man, just read the comments😅

It should be a 'gentlemans' game. Call your own fouls. Admit when you miss your pocket.

I don't think you know what a actual foul is because half of these are legit shots.

I've seen other times where Jennifer B didn't admit she fouled. She is a cheat, pure and simple.

If I was gambling and the opponent didn't notice the foul it's on them. Like the jennifer baretta example, loree jon should of saw their was no rail contact. If its going to be a questionable hit whether a push or two balls close together you get an a third party to watch the hit.

Bro is commenting on games from the 20s

That Earl one, it really does sound like he might of mumbled ten ball but was misheard. "ten" and "two" both start with 't', so I'm still not so sure about that one. I mean why would he point to the pocket and shoot at the obvious ball to go there if he meant the two. I think the honor goes both ways on Shaw to concede the shot when it really was obvious, but I can see why both sides were upset.

@5:40 usually that is not considered a cue ball foul. The opponent may place the 8 ball back where believes it stood, but it isn’t generally called a foul

So what? If the ref or opponent didn't call it, it's accepted as good.

Learn the rules before you post a video calling people out as cheaters.