My theory is it's the Xenomorph mother from Alien and it's censored because the manager couldn't possible remain sane after witnessing copyright infringement
This is... Really cool. You'd be surprised at the amount of people that adamantly believe Censored to be completely disconnected from lore. But this... This is good.
If we were to follow the idea that taking amnestics just 'censors' a memory, the old L corp could have also treated their old employees with amnestics of the smoke monster and other bad memories they had with the old version, with the speaker just saying it's the worse thing in his life because he either forgot the smoke monster, his memories of the smoke monster is leaking in and is blending in with Censored as they are the same being, or Censored, being the smoke monster, has developed into an even more terrifying thing.
I'd like to believe it's the last one, as with trauma people tend to remember things as far worse than they actually were, which explains why CENSORED drives people to insanity so easily. Nice observation there.
Another interpretation is possible: if they are the same thing and the employee recognizes they are, both are the worst thing they have seen in their lives because they are the same thing...
A solid theory. My biggest complaint is the difference in tier of just how damaging observing CENSORED compared to the smoke monster, but you did make a note of it. Considering that PM has stated in a Q&A that a EX level employee is on-par with a Claw, it puts into frame just how horrible it is to look at CENSORED. And since the manager is looking through a cognition filter, he doesn't have level of desensitization that a level 5 employee would, so panicking without the filter would be the normal response. I don't want to believe in the theory since I feel it undermines the concept of CENSORED a bit, but there's not enough evidence to straight up disprove it right now. Anyhow great video, you earned a subscriber.
Thanks for the feedback! You make a valid point about the large difference between insanity and vomiting, which is admittedly quite a large gap, however this could be due to a variety of things, such as L-Corp employees being Nest Residents and likely not having experienced many horrors in their life, Backstreets residents and how they have to essentially fight to survive from birth etc. Could also just be different game mechanics being different, but that's a boring explanation. Thanks again for watching!
@@nocturnalpie Roland and Salvador not going insane at the spot could also be an effect of Moonstone singularity that fixers use to defend from mental attacks. It got mentioned in one of guest books
It makes sense. I don't get why people saying witnessing the deaths, scenery during the smoke war is what causes Salvador/Roland to be disturbed, considering their work experience. In the end, Roland came to a realization and most likely let go of the past, the Monster is no more than a discarded memory.
Exactly, that scene doesn't give the impression to me that either Roland or Salvador were traumatised by the actual war, after all they only started feeling nauseous after they looked at the monster itself.
This is actually not the first time I’ve heard this theory. One thing I would like to point out is that some abnormalities serve as allegories for actual things that exist in the universe. These allegories might not be 100% accurate to their source material, but generally are similar enough that you can see the connections. I’m pretty sure the reason why according to Binah in Lob Corp is that the River of Origin (where all abnormalities come from) contains all of humanities thoughts from the past, present, and future and thus abnormalities will share some of these aspects in their physical forms. For example, the three birds represent the Head Punishing Bird = Claw Big Bird = Beholder Judgment Bird = Arbiter Another example is that WhiteNight is an evil version of Carmen (both have pale skin, red eyes, and want to cure a disease that only they know exists) Because of this, I would wager that Censored is similarly a mix between various ideas and perceptions by various people (including Ayin) of the Smoke Monster that have been given form by Cogito and the Bucket. Another possibility is that the Smoke Monster was always an abnormality and that it came up to the surface and was found by Smoky L Corp (similar to how Nosferatu existed before Lob Corp and created the Bloodfiends). This would make Censored an aberration of said abnormality. One other thing I would like to point out is that in the Limbus trailer, it mentions that the Sinners will be writing the abnormality encyclopedia entries. This likely means that unlike Ruina, which just recycled the entries from LobCorp due to the Library containing all of LobCorps files, we will get new encyclopedia entries, even for existing abnormalities. Combine this with the possibility of a Censored aberration and Outis and Gregor’s ties to the smoke war and it is very likely this theory will have some answers given.
Just adding some points to Abnormalities representing events from future or past: 1. Everybody's favorite Express Train to Hell might just a collective traumatic memory of W-Corp's Warp Trains. 2. Dream of a Black Swan very much supports this theory, having a direct link to Smoke War and describing the effects of the smoke in the same way. 3. An outlandish claim, but I think Silent Orchestra might have been born from either Pianist and/or Reverberation Ensemble, they even use the exact same phrase "the music/peformance that perforates your entire being" 4. The story of the Red (Roland) and the Wolf (Angela) is almost perfect parallel for someone who's getting their revenge on a being who simply followed their desires. 5. Tin Woodsman and Adult Who Tells Lies (Oz) also follows the story of Angela and Aying, with the former "killing the latter and taking her heart into her empty chest" as a metaphor for Light.
@@Micolash-Cage-of-Nightmare another few I thought of are Bloodbath references Carmen’s death and Mirror of Adjustment possibly foreshadows the identity singularity.
@@tepig2828 Most of the Keter Abnormalities are related to Carmen. Bloodbath is her suicide, Frost Queen is how her body was cryogenically frozen. I can't say the same for Fervent Beats and Pinnochio though because they weren't in Lobotomy corp.
I think the Smoke Monster acted as the distilled truth of Singularities which Ayin and Benajmin were going to base their entire plan on; exploiting atrocities to generate results. Ayin knew he'd have to make monsters which feed on death and suffering in order to fulfill Carmen's wishes. Being a bystander is already bad, having a part in evil makes one evil but being the Orchestrator is when you become irredeemable; which is bad when redemption is required for the Seed of Light. I imagine this is why it was critical to wipe his memory for the sake of redemption and also why any reminder of the Smoke Monster, like [Censored], has him go absolutely mad despite him having witnessed many other horrors; it strikes at a hidden truth he's trying to forget.
My theory is simple. CENSORED is just there to make fun of badly written SCP articles that get redacted so much due to the writer’s lack of creativity that it seems to be more black bars than text.
Another point supporting this is that the library needs the most significant abnormalities to achieve Angela's goal and the library seem to know exactly who it needs to invite to achieve this. Since none of the other sephirot have seen the smoke monster, it (and by extension Iori who needs the library to succeed for whatever timey-wimey schemes she has planned) needs somebody who has and Roland fits the bill with additional benefits.
I also like the idea of CENSORED being an abnormality born from Ayin's experience with what he did to Carmen's body in extracting her brain and nervous system and putting them into cryostasis, the sight of which would *instantaneously* cause him to go insane given the memories for a similar reason the smoke monster would be horrifying, along with giving an explanation for the horrific way of killing and creating byproducts, being based off the process of injecting people with Cogito and destroying lives in the sake of creating abnormalities. Honestly though, I fully believe and like the smoke monster theory as well, and hope one day we get to see something closely resembling CENSORED in Limbus to get a solid confirmation on what exactly it is/was
i think another good thing to point out is censored's ego weapon. specifically the power attack. censored's ego weapon is some sort of tentacle, judging by the sort of stretchy whip power attack. the smoke monster also has some amount of tentacles
I have no clue what this is, you just popped up in my recommended and I'm glad you did, this kept me not only entertained, but it also informed me of things I didn't even know about. 10/10
This was really interesting! depending on how loose you want to go with the visual comparison, CENSORED when breaching kind of looks like roland's smoke monster too!! regardless this was really fun and gives a lot of food for thought
Thanks! Ironically, despite trying to determine what CENSORED looks like, I wanted to avoid finding visual comparisons, given the censors and all. You're right though, when it breaches it does take a similar shape to the Roland fight's Snoke Monster
I agree with almost everything, except the log involving Randy and the nameless employee. I think it's in reference to something else. When Censored Kills an Employee, they're drained of their life-force, and a mini-Censored is left in their place. A 'byproduct' if you will. It was my belief that is what the nameless employee saw, until I watched this video. I already new these things, but I hadn't ever seen all the pieces put together so neatly, and seeing the nearly complete puzzle made me notice some that you missed, and given me a far more likely idea. Look at the Wielder of Suffocating Haze closely. Specifically it's torso. There's a mouth. This is likely how it feeds off humans, and what happens when CENSORED consumes an employee. But more importantly, just behind the mouth, its torso is covered in faces. Blackened faces stuck in a expression of perpetual agony. If CENSORED and the smoke monster are the same, then we now know what that employee saw. They saw their friend, not as a smoldering byproduct, but as a part of CENSORED, their body fused into it, their face embedded in its body, stuck in an expression of suffering. And then, presumably, from their mouth a smoldering byproduct was produced. Also those faces are somewhat sentient, and can cry out and scream. I won't lie, I wouldn't blame someone for freaking out when they see a creature covered in the screaming faces of their workmates and friends. I wouldn't blame someone for growing nauseous and throwing up seeing something that disturbed. It's literally Tomerry but the entire warp train instead of just two lovebirds.
That's a really cool theory, I'll have to have another look over the Wielder of Suffocating Haze as I didn't focus too much on physical appearance cause of the whole CENSORED being censored. That could explain why Ayin can't handle seeing it, because it could have the faces of everyone who's died furthering his goals, such as the Sephirot.
@@nocturnalpie Because it's CENSORED, perhaps. But what I mean is that the faces on the smoke monster are likely those that have been consumed by it. I also noticed that near the front of 'Roland's body, some of the faces have pushed out, gaining torsos and arms. At first i thought they were smoldering byproducts, but no, the heads are the same as those embedded in the torso. The smoldering byproduct's is long and thin, not human shaped. So... that's another point in those being actual people fused into its form. One last thing, the other name given to the 'Wielder of Suffocating Haze' is 'The Hatching Dead', which gives Mountain of Smiling Body vibes. And since both are creatures that consume bodies to grow stronger... and are covered in the faces of the consumed, MoSB's being white and happy, while the Wielder are black and despair filled (though I attribute that to Roland's treasured mask and demeanor at the time), there could be a link there too. Roland did synchronize with Mountain of Smiling Bodies as well after all. I thought it was just a neat similarity
Id like to show some of my hypothesizes and other bits of information I noticed. One of the largest details that might just be a quirk of gameplay but I still find interesting is the fact that the rabbits aren’t even startled in the slightest when encountering CENSORED or its minions, it makes me wonder if it is something that deliberately preys on the psyche of L corp employees and Ayin. Although it could just be that the bunnies are just completely habituated to sights like censored from their work in the ruins. The other hypothesis was if it was some sought of creature with direct connections to the well that can shatter a person’s boundary the same way that looking into the well can. I kinda liked the idea that it was some monstrous version of Carmen which the process of converting corpses and living employees into minions being the same way as L corp’s singularity. Carmen already does have several abnormalities connected to her so its not impossible for another one to exist and given that Ayin cannot handle grass because it reminds him of Carmen a monstrous form of her in away would definitely be something to push him over the edge. One incredibly shaky bit of evidence that I like the sound of despite it being a reach for it to be connected to cogito and the well actually comes from the Mountain of Smiling Body’s story. The MSB in the context of how abnormalities are normally created is incredibly weird. We don’t exactly know what caused the chain reaction that lead to so many deaths but there are some points that make me lean towards it being CENSORED. The primary one being the sephirot’s hesitance to clean up the corpses as soon as possible which is just weird. I know from so many of the abnormality logs that one of the number 1 skills that the employees learn is how to clean up after a bad day. The explanation for the hesitation that makes the most sense to me is that the sephirot were worried that a few of the censored minions were stilling hiding amongst the bodies and all it takes is 3 of them to completely shatter any employee regardless of stats. And if Im correct about it being connected to cogito, that would be the explanation for how all of the corpses ended up becoming an abnormality in the first place (although its still just possible it manifested without any other outside influence). But again that is hardly conclusive I jisy wanted to share my thoughts regardless ^^
I had a counter argument at some point of the video but I forgor💀 Anyways, great video and got convinced, I'm hoping Limbus will give more answers, or at least ties to connect the dots (The Project Moon brainrot is real, I desperately need more Lore)
Well if you do remember it feel free to put it in the replies. It'd be excellent to have more lore or sources to draw from to improve the theory. I'm glad I managed to convince you!
It should also be noted that according to the naming scheme in Lobotomy Corporation, that CENSORED is listed as a "religious abnormality". To avoid spoiling... According to the fandom "Their details are encoded in their classification, following the given order: The first letter classifies its origin (Fairy Tale, Trauma, Original, Donator), the second number classifies its type (1 for humanoid, 2 for animal, 3 for religious, 4 for inanimate object, 5 for machine or artifact, 6 for abstraction or amalgamation, 7 for Breaching tool, 9 for Tool), the third number acts as a unique code for the Abnormality, which doesn't repeat between Abnormalities.". CENSORED's classification code is O-03-89, the 3 being labelled as a 'religious' tag. I'm not sure if that debunks the theory, or adds to it. I'm not very well versed in the Smoke Wars, but this might help give some insight into it.
That's an excellent point. In one sense I can see Singularities (which the Smoke Monster is) as just technology in the eyes of Wings, however as it appears to be a living thing that can reproduce I can also see people idolizing it, especially if the old L-Corp required a large amount of bodies to keep powering the City. It's probably most similar to the Index and their Prescripts, is it technology or a religion? I'd argue it could easily be both.
It also says in the same page "Note: The second number in the classification type is only speculation, as it has never been confirmed by Project Moon what it does mean or categorize." And it clearly shows, since other abnormalities in 03 category are Dimensional Refraction Variant and Melting Love. While you can somehow connect ML to religion through meme arguments and whatnot, DRV has around 0 connection to it. Other evidence that those numbers meanings are not consistent in the slightest is the 04 category, Inanimate Object. While it holds true for some Abnormalities, such as Red Shoes, Happy Teddy Bear, Grave of Cherry Blossoms, Parasite Tree and maybe even The Little Prince, it also includes: Meat Lantern, Fairy Festival, The Burrowing Heaven, Alriune, Queen Bee, Snow Whites Apple I can argue for some that they are "Not really alive", but Fairy Festival and Meat Lantern are clearly not "Inanimate Object" in any way, shape or form. This classification codes cannot be a solid evidence for anything, at least until Project Moon themselves say what the numbers mean.
@@nocturnalpie It could be a GOD of the city as with the index secret and stuff, mantaining its religious undertones while being an abnormality as it could be more leaning into this secret prohibited knowledge of powerful entities that rule the city like gods, it fitting prob the smoke monster and similar things like carmen and concepts like those.
This is a really good video, and a very good theory. Keep up the amazing work man :) 11:04 I would actually like to correct you here. *ALMOST* every ALEPH is in Library of Ruina. Barring the obvious CENSORED (of whom this video is about), Melting Love and Army in Black (its both a Zayin and an ALEPH) are missing as well.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I actually mention this at 1:14 as both Melting Love and Army in Black are Backer Abnormalities and as such weren't technically considered canon.
But somehow Backwards Clock's aberration (or BC & All-around Helper's amalgamation, being a helper robot) in the Mirror Dungeons exist and you can get the Nixie Divergence EGO gift which has the same vacuum tubes as BC
@@theolanderdilag3872They might be finding ways to work backer Abnos into the lore and might slowly making them cannon via little to no minor retrofitting. Untill we see aberations or the actual Abnos in limbus we should assume they are both cannon and not cannon just in case they are important
This is a well-constructed theory, but I think one of the best things about CENSORED is the fact that it's ineffable - as in, showing it would actively make it less interesting, because then it's no longer something bad enough to make you go insane, it's... whatever got shown. I like to imagine that showing the real CENSORED on screen, even in a video game, would instantly drive the PLAYER insane despite it being a fictional creature from a fictional universe.
@@Concerned_Custodian Well, even a glimpse would drive you insane in real life, if you suspend your disbelief. And that’s what I like most about CENSORED.
oh it probably would, imagine if you saw a creature, that's far worse than what Roland or Salvador saw, something that would eat you and you would probably become either a part or an offspring. Showing things doesn't mean they can't drive you insane. If you thought about cthulu long enough you'd go crazy as well, probably. in the end we have no visual representation, and if we did, it could lose some of it's charm, however describing it in words to a point and comparing it to an in-universe machine should be probably fine and not take away from the entity
My understanding is that Hokma, being the records team, would have remembered every cycle that Lobotomy corporation went through. My theory on why censored isnt on his floor is due to 2 factors: 1) WhiteNight is simply the more interesting side to explore with him, what with the undertones of it all that I think I understand? 2) If Hokma did see censored, likely due to his position of remembering the cycles and keeping records of them, that would have dulled the pain from the trauma so maybe thats why WhiteNight is on his floor instead of Censored Thats just my thoughts tho, and I am by no means a scholar of this series' stories so Im probably wrong in a multitude of ways
Wow... Everything is so well-structured, thank you for the video! Now, I wonder, in previous L-Corp, what "L" was standing for. It might give us a hint if it's connected to the Smoke Monster. As far as I know, "L" in our L-Corp could stand for "Lobotomy" (obviously) or "Light" (more likely). I doubt it was the same in previous L-Corp as they used a different Singularity.
Unfortunately, the previous L-Corp is only referenced as L-Corp. However, each corporation names themselves and their Singularity after the letter they recieve. For example, W-Corp is called WARP Corp and uses technology that teleports things. I imagine the previous L-Corp has a name starting with L that relates to or references either their smoke or their Singularity and it's likely we'll find out what they were called in Limbus Company, given how many Smoke War references we've seen already and the game hasn't even come out yet.
I was having this exact discussion with someone and they linked this video so I'm just gonna state my issues with the theory. 1. Salvador also directly saw the monster and it didn't leave enough of an impression on him to be stated anywhere with him. Granted, this could be due to lack of screen time, but even in the cutscene itself he had no where near the instinctual reaction as Roland did. Meanwhile Censored themself, unless they were a level 5 agent, had everyone panic in sight regardless of who they were. Roland may have vomited but he certainly didn't try to kill himself or Salvador nor run around causing chaos. Though they may be high grade fixers, especially later on, I doubt we could really say the younger Roland is on the same level as an Agent who's dialogue is regularly distant, unattached, and psychotic and that can deal with lower level abnormalities alone. Even if Salvador and Roland are on the same level, everyone else who would've been with them (At minimum the men Salvador was traveling with from I-Corp) at least one should've cause an issue of some variety. 2. Censored lacks the characteristics relating to the smoke creatures we've seen. It doesn't spew out smoke like the creatures in BS's phase 2 and the word smoke isn't anywhere in the story of Censored. This is such a defining piece of the smoke monster that the war is literally called the Smoke War. If CENSORED is supposed to be A's interpretation, it's rather weird that it doesn't even leave behind something like a smoke trail behind it. 3. If B didn't directly see there is no reason to assume that A did either considering them being in the same situation. Unless I missed something in distortion detective which is entirely possible. 4. The city's mind wiping tech has been proven to be not the most reliable, and it is perfectly within reason for L-Corp to use the mind wiping technology in order to allow their agents to work on the abnormality more then would be possible if they were racked by the negative effects of CENSORED. Especially those who couldn't handle witnessing it. In the end, I don't think they are the same thing. They certainly share similarities but I think that's more thanks to the fact CENSORED is supposed to represent the side of the city that people can't handle. The horrors going on every day that very few people could ever handle. If it wasn't so themed around the birds, Binah would have likely housed CENSORED due to theme of "Facing the Fear", facing what you fear most and what you think you cannot handle. Also this would be rather unique for an abnormality to be shown like this without fanfare or even a direct link. Even popular abnormalities like The Little Prince, Lady Facing the Wall, Yin, and Yang aren't at all mentioned in LoR. CENSORED may be an aleph but I'd think that would make it even more imperative to establish they are related if Project Moon meant for them to be. TL;DR Interesting theory but the evidence provided isn't strong enough to prove a link besides them serving a similar purpose in their respective games. Ntm on a meta level it'd be weird for CENSORED to get shown off while also being this under the radar.
I am so sorry it totally slipped my mind! How would you like to be credited and are you fine with me keeping the thumbnail or would you like me to change it?
This is a really interesting theory. I think the only thing that I found that might disprove this a little more is that CENSORED's classification code is O-03-89. Of course the first letter part doesn't matter but the 03 means that it was a religious figure. I think it's relatively safe to say that the smoke-war anomaly wasn't particularly a religious being but if it were somehow, this could really set the nail if CENSORED really is a trauma based on Ayin's recollection of the smoke war. Edit: Granted, to be fair one could argue the classification codes are not entirely correct since this would imply it is just a being not based on someone's trauma, otherwise the classification ID would of been T-03-89.
An interesting idea, I believe someone else commented earlier about how the classification system is a bit inconsistent so I'm not entirely confident how useful the classification system would be but it's definitely something to keep in mind. Like you said, due to the 03 code, CENSORED was labelled a religious figure and the sacrifice mechanic would back this up. I imagine then the issue that arises is that the Wings are incredibly secretive of how their Singularities function so I wonder if L-Corp convinced people to worship it in a similar fashion to the Index and their Prescripts.
Something I feel like adding, the intrusive thoughts of Censored which you didn't link to Roland's Wielder of Suffocating Haze. There's some evidence that the Old L Corp's singularity has a similar effect, Maxim's key page talks a bit about Old L Corp and talks about how the smoke had a negative effect on people, 'Some people would suddenly start wishing for the happiness of some others, and still others would spend most of their time staring off into space.'
She was made explicitly to be his assistant through the Seed of Light plan, perceiving everything slower to react to emergencies faster. B even mentions 'this corporation' when briefing her right after her creation After L corp was made, B was still with him only until the part where the script starts due to his doubts, which was already after her creation I'm not sure if it was mentioned in Lobcorp but it is in Ruina's retelling of the events
@@Kerubii22 So you are saying that there is conflicting information since Ayin in Hokma's meltdown mission says that he no longer has anyone to celebrate becoming a wing and that he lost even Benjamin, also this company is a broad term since you don't need to be a Wing to be a company
So, what led me to believe she was created after L-Corp became a Wing was mostly because she makes no appearances in the past segments aside from a few in Hokma. She doesn't appear in Binah, the second last to die and I don't think it makes sense that Angela was made before that because the entire facility they were working in was destroyed, hence she likely would have been destroyed with it. Also I feel if the other characters were alive they would have made an appearance in the scene at 3:10 as well as everyone on the project initially joined because of Carmen and they too would want to see her return as well. Of course, we can't know for sure as there aren't any hard dates, we just know this set of events occured between here and there. Overall I don't think this point being disproven is overly bad for the theory, as I doubt Ayin or Benjamin would have taken Angela into a battlefield to witness the Smoke Monster as she's illegal technology and there are multiple Wings running around, not the mention the Head.
@@the_fenix_3247 Actually missed/forgotten that part, makes Angela's creation being a bit weirder by being made way long before shes actually of use on what she was made to do Also he says 'Corporation' specifically which were how Wings are usually called unless there was a group that also uses it, if Angela was created before they had a Wing I assumed it would only be the two of them and calling a group of two a Corporation is weird
Another thing: look at the shape of censored when it breaches, andncompare it to the shape of censored in LB. If it werent for those back tentacles, it'd be exactly the same!
I've always thought that censored is an abnormality created purely by human fear and that's why its censored=fear of the unknown. But now that i see this video it would be cool if censored is featured in limbus company as a variant of the smoke monster or related to it.
I have no idea what this game is or what the lore of it entails, I'm just here because the algorithm thought this might be interesting to me I am now very intrigue
Extremely late comment, but I believe Censored is rather a reference to the method of which Abnormalities are made. The process of doing something so unspeakable to a human, that it will mentally break all but the very strongest employees, even if just asked to recall it...which produces something that should not at all exist from the remains of said human. It might not be the case, but it feels a lot more at place to me.
If the abnormalities can feel emotions i feel like telling CENSORED he is censored because he is so terrifying it would break his heart because he will believe he is horrible
Abnos are beings of pure emotions,thoughts and desires they are what they are they can only feel and do whatever they represent like The old lady will always be filled with loneliness and solitude for that is what they are. King of Greed is happiness and greed for a twisted idea to be eternally happy you have to have a unending greed.
This might make since, but the chances are it might be different, but the entity might be 10 times as worse as the smoke monster and that it might be a generation from that monster (Sacrifice is both what they did) so it may be different in their new game (which may lead to Censored being their power source at one point, or being able to move freely around in its chamber.)
I have no idea what is going on. I have been bombarded with more knowledge and information that I never would spark the unholy craving for more and more.. and.. more. I need and explanation on what is going on. Or I will die.
Well, I don’t believe anyone would see this, but a thing you might have over looked is how in lobotomy corp all abnos have assigned numbers. The letter is it’s origin, the first number is it’s entity type, and the last is which entity number it holds in the archives. Now if we look at the second number, we should theoretically be able to compare it to other monstrosities like MOSB or Dreaming Current, or any other abnormality, but it’s number is 03, which is the number for deities or godlike beings, such as WN or One Sin. In my theory, is that censored is not the smoke monster but more of an eldritch horror/deity, thus why employees go insane. I don’t have a lot to back this theory up, but it is something to chew on.
A few of the comments have mentioned this system but apparently it's not entirely consistent so I'm not sure how useful the classification system could actually be.
@@nocturnalpieor it is consistent but they lached onto a definition that is mostly right but the wording/details are technically wrong it's like Plato's definition of a man a featherless biped which was rebutted with Diogenes and a Plucked Chicken which he said Behold a man
I know this theory doesn't have to much sense but I really like to think that CENSORED is some sort of reminder that you can't forget that things are wrong since even with the cognition filter it still need another filter to be good enough looking. I also think it may be a representation of how we normally forget that there are natural and normal things that are bad and we just filter them as something common or that can pass even if it's true or not
Thats a really cool theory, and I think there is one more interesting thing around the risk level of CENSORED. The abnormalities are extracted from human mind and they are some kind of manifestation of abstract things like life traumas and fears. And thats exactly why it could be possible that the agent in the abno log literally said thats it somewhat represents the old Lcorp singularity, but also CENSORED is far worse. And that is I think because CENSORED represented Ayin trauma, and so it is just like the old Lcorp singularity, but squared in terms of power. Its like extracting pure horror and strength from something so horribly bad, that even nonabnormality version of it drives people insane. Also it makes me wonder how incredibly strong lvl 5 employees are, since even colored fixers seem to feel bad around the nonabnormality version of whatever it is, but lvl 5 employees in lcorp can even solo CENSORED. Anyways, thanks for an interesting and really wellmade video. Totaly deserved a like and sub
Level 5 employees are canonically Claw level in strength, an army of them can fight against the Head's forces for a short while until a bunch of arbiters show up
I mean employees with enough stats to work on censored and not go insane are kindof similar to high grade fixers, meanwhile manager is just another "normal" person from the nest, especially since every manager arrives freshly mind wiped. I like your theory more tho, nice.
smoke monster? if memory serves there was no monster involved in the smoke wars. unless you mean censored represents the smoke wars much like black swan. i didn'tknew the most commonly accepted theory for what l corps singularity was.
The Smoke Monster was the old L-Corp's Singularity, which was said to cause massive amounts of smoke to appear around the City as a side effect of its energy production.
@@nocturnalpie there still isnt a "smoke monster" tho, all we know is that there is a singularity that makes smoke. the monster part only exists because people say that distorted roland is the smoke singularity
@@nocturnalpie Still haven’t played Library of Runia yet as I was planning to beat L corp then play Runia but I’m just going to just play Runia now. If only sapphira bossfights or whatever didn’t make me smash in my keyboard
@@touhoumomo Spent a long time beating those haha, well don't be too worried, Library of Ruina does recap a lot of the events of L-Corp for new players so you should be fine.
While you offer a compelling argument. Hear me out, it drives any level 3 employee mad on sight. And level 5 employees tend to uh... be depressed. Therefor my theory is that the manager is just not a high level character canonically and the horrific otherworldly form would drive manager mad. Kinda like cthulu.
Huh my first lore video of lobotomy corporation and library of runica, hope thier is more! For I've never actually seen anyone else actually do lore for those games.
Sorry but I had enough trouble trying to find the artist. From the looks of it all of their social media accounts were deleted, so the best I could get was their name at the bottom of the screen.
I actually know who the artist is, they got a two strip art about Abigail from FGO ending up in bloodborne- Gimme a moment- ...Got it. The artist is Kankan33333, you should be able to find their work at Danbooru and Pixiv.
It's difficult to get an exact time as to when Hod died, I thought it was around there, though it's definitely possible that it was after Binah. I really just made an executive decision there.
Yeah, Hod had to die the last/one of the last. In Hod story before her Core Suppression A says: "You'd never though that a puny kid like you could bring about out demise" And in Binah story, before going to the laboratory in the Outskirts, she says, "It's rather displeasing that i have to rely on the information of some orange-haired girl" Meaning that Hod told Binah about laboratory -> Binah raided the laboratory -> Hod learned about the destruction of the laboratory -> Hod ended herself So she couldn't have died before the raid Unless there's some other "demise" A could've been referring to
I think another thing that supports this, or at the very least lessens the potential hole of "What if Benjamin also saw it". Put simply, even if he did, it wouldn't be on his floor because it doesn't make any sense to put it there. Hokma's floor is Religion, and every Abno on each floor is strongly related to the floor's main theme. Being the floor of religion and talking about faith, the future, and how even if an impossible goal can never truly be obtained, if it motivates you to keep moving forward until you finally reach some kind of more practical goal, it's done it's job, the Smoke Monster doesn't really fit into those themes very much. If it had to go into a floor, it would work on Yesod's floor, since a major theme of Tech Science was "People only care about buying the sausage, and actively ignore how it's made", or maybe Chesed's, as the detail about disgust for it never truely going away matches what he says in his finale about how "Even if it's stored in the back of your mind for years, once you become aware of your own shame, it becomes easier to step up and fight back against bad things". Which as you say, it doesn't really relate to either of them personally, and it clearly has a massive impact on Roland in addition to being more thematically appropreate for his floor over Hokma's, so I think even if Benjamin did see the Smoke Monster, it wouldn't have been on his floor in the first place when Roland's worked just as well for it. Plus, before the last big update for LoR that added the Keter Realization and changed the ending, the Black Silence was meant to be the realization. If the Smoke Monster was basically CENSORED, that means that Keter would have had 5 Abnos like all the others, with it's final Abno being an ALEPH just like the middle/upper floors.
there are many things that simply dont add up with this theory (and most theories regarding distorted roland as a whole) the connection that roland distorts into the previous Lcorp singularity is a very flimsy one. Yes, that section of the fight is themed after the smoke war, but thats about it. There is no evidence that the singularity is a monster (or in any way alive/moving, since it seems to be stationary it might imply the opposite), and even if it were, it's not an abnormality. It is a separate singularity and it wouldnt make any sense for it be an Abno/distortion of some kind. (the implications of it being one would simply break like, most of the lore surrounding the start of our Lcorp) I would agree to a notion that distorted Roland may loosely represent his feelings toward the singularity, the way all distortions work, but to say it is directly related in some way doesnt add up. As for connections between distorted smokey roland and CENSORED. there is none, and there are many, many issues that make it so they cannot be the same. Shape is an obvious one, we dont have CENSORED's real form but we have a loose approximation due to the bars. The way CENSORED works doesn't seem similar to distorted Roland at all. Roland produces smoke, obviously, and unless you are implying all the smoke is censored out or filtered out, CENSORED does not make any smoke. CENSORED also does a LOT of SP damage on first sight, and we know that in LoR, SP is just counted together in the health bar (reindeers do mental attacks), the fact that Roland phase 2 does not do any special mass attack on spawning or any mental damage at all, kinda disproves that. As for why CENSORED isnt in LoR, and how level 5 employees can see it but managers cant. It's just really simple, Level 5 Employees have REALLY high mental fortitude, they can handle it. others cant. Managers/X/Ayin dont have max possible Prudence stat, and neither would fixers. Angela isnt going to pull out the insanity abno to fight when there are no filters and most librarians are using pages of people not that mentally strong. (also, 4th wall wise, Showing CENSORED without the censor defeats the whole purpouse of it, they're not going to do that) (also another reason why censored isnt the singularity, Roland and Salvador were not extremely high level fixers, if it was actually CENSORED they wouldnt have been able to handle it.) the only real connection is "they're both not shown to us" which is very lame
Quick note on how previous singularities being abnormalities or distortion would break LC lore LC's singularity is the ability to extract abnormalities, or in other words, to give the human mind form (which is why you can create whatever you want in the library) A previous singularity being an abnormality, would mean that a previous corporation also had the knowledge/tech to create them, therefore LC's singularity would no longer be unique to LC and therefore not a singularity, and they couldn't be a Wing If a previous singularity is a Distortion, it would once again complicate things on how to recreate/use the distortion without the Light (although less lorebreaking than the other option) But most importantly. Singularities are *technologies*, Patented Technologies which are the signature tech used by a Wing. It does not make much sense to say that a near incomprehensibly complicated technology, is actually just a monster. It is also not narratively satisfying.
@@Sopsy_Hallow Thanks for the meaty critique, I appreciate having a well thought out counter argument to my theory. Anyways, here are my responses to your points in roughly the same order you said them in. I was saying that Roland distorts into a version of L-Corp's Singularity and while yes, I made the assumption that the Singularity itself was a monster, I never claimed it was an abnormality or a distortion. Also, nowhere is it mentioned that L-Corp's Singularity is stationary or moving, but if it was capable of movement why would L-Corp not restrain it in some manner to prevent it roaming freely? The reason I personally believe L-Corp's Singularity to be a monster is because I believe there's some level of reality reflected in people's distortions. Of course, you could be totally right and his distortion is simply how Roland views humanity at its worst. As for the shape of CENSORED vs Distorted Roland I'd like to point towards Fairy Festival. That thing looks nothing like its Library counterpart in terms of general shape due to the Cognition Filter, so I don't think it's entirely impossible for the shape of CENSORED to be irrelevant when comparing it to Distorted Roland. You're correct in that CENSORED doesn't appear to produce any smoke, however I'd argue that the smoke would be a pretty obvious identifier for X were he to witness it so I wouldn't rule it out that the smoke got filtered. As for the SP damage, none of the other abnormalities deal any form of SP damage themselves, whether from initial sighting or otherwise. When it comes to the Reindeer attacks, sure their attacks deal physical damage, however it’s stated that Reindeers cause mental damage to themselves by performing them, which is represented by them taking Stagger damage from their own pages. It doesn’t make sense that SP and HP are combined if that is the case. I just don’t think sanity was really taken into account for Library of Ruina, hence why it wasn’t reflected in its mechanics. But the Librarians ARE the employees of L-Corp, there’s no reason not to have CENSORED as a fight as all the librarians are completely capable of witnessing it, with the exception of perhaps Roland, but in which case that would stop it from being on one floor out of ten. Also, the librarians don’t suddenly become mentally weaker by using another person’s page, if anything they’re substantially stronger in every possible way, given that using a librarian’s default page makes them basically useless. And yes, I understand showing CENSORED without the censor defeats the purpose, but that doesn’t mean you can’t guess at what it could be. It’s entirely possible they never reveal what CENSORED is and I’d be totally fine with that. As for the argument against Salvador and Roland, that’s a totally fair criticism of the theory. I think the best counter-argument I have for that is that we have no real comparison between the mental fortitude of the L-Corp employees and different fixer grades or as I said in the video, CENSORED is actually a more horrific version of whatever Ayin witnessed. As for the distinction between Singularities and Abnormalities I don’t think we actually disagree here, I’ve either improperly explained it in the video or you’ve misinterpreted what I’ve said. I agree that Singularities and Abnormalities/Distortions are distinctly different. I’m not claiming that CENSORED is the Singularity from the old L-Corp, I’m saying it takes the form of it from Ayin’s perception of it. Again, thank you for taking the time to write this response, I’m hoping this response has addressed all of your points satisfyingly.
@@nocturnalpie Thank you for the reply. I do have a few responses to some points that i will say, but other points arent particularly *wrong* although i do not find them narratively fulfilling. Which may be the major issue with the whole theory, that even if it isn't technically wrong, making connections for the sake of making connections isn't great when it comes to telling a story or making a world About distortions. Distortions are a person being transformed by their mind, into a mix of whatever "concepts" control them, and an influence of their self (personality and physicality). The "concepts" in their pure form are what abnormalities are, Manifestation of the collective human mind. Therefore Distortions often resemble abnormalities of similar nature as to what made them distort. (This is mostly gotten out of Moses' explanations of how certain elements of distortions seem to often represent certain specific thing. [From Distortion Detective] combined with what we know of abnormalities) (there are also a few examples of distortions being similar to known abnormalities. Pianist has characteristics of silent orchestra and of singing machine, Distorted Eileen has visual similarities to WhiteNight, etc) So i don't think Distortions reflect "reality" as much as they reflect human concepts, which are often similar to reality. About the Fairies, they do not seem *that* different, besides the obvious lack of filter. The differences displayed are also explained to some degree, as they, in LoR, are in an aggressive form. While in LC we see them in a passive form. The only major difference seems to be the fairy queen(?) which im not sure we see in LC to begin with. I do still understand the argument that the shape of CENSORED's bars may not directly convert to how it would look without the filters. As for SP. It is stated that Reindeer attacks are mental attacks. I am not talking about how attacking causes averse affects to their own mental health and is quite draining, rather that the majority of the reindeer combat pages, like Mind Whip, would do SP if it were using the LC system. (Also the reason LC uses rabbit team exclusively. not much point attacking the mental being of entities that dont actually have a mental capacity to begin with.) AFAIK CENSORED is the only abno that deals instant SP damage upon sight/encounter, or at the very least, none of the LoR Abnormalities do that. So i do not think you can write of SP as a whole, the lack of reaction to Roland Phase 2 still makes it incredibly hard to believe that it would be the same or remotely similar to the trauma machine we know as CENSORED. Another point, which goes back to Abnormalities and Distortions. Abnormalities are extracted from the *collective* human consciousness, so the theory that CENSORED is tailored directly to Ayins trauma/the smoke war trauma is rather odd and, to me, seems disproven. Regarldess, CENSORED doesn't need to be tied to Ayin, X, or any other manager for them to require the censor. Managers arent level 5 employees, and anyone below level 5 goes insane. Id say Occom's Razor for this one. X is not level 5 is less of a stretch than CENSORED is directly related to Ayins trauma that X remembers (Although admittedly, CENSORED seems to make people see something horrific that is specific to them, i think? that is what the story text implies atleast. So in that way it could make Ayin remember smoke war trauma, but that doesn't fit the rest of the theory as to why others can handle it)
@@Sopsy_Hallow All solid points, I'm just gonna have to hand it to you at this point as I just don't have enough solid proof to pull from to say otherwise. Hopefully we get to see L-Corp's Singularity in Limbus Company so it can be put to rest once and for all.
