@@BoshNRoll50:00 you can still bounce dauthi and breach combo win without Thassa. You brain freeze out your opponents and then wheel to force them to draw. Still a creative win but definitely had a chance of whiffing3
The fact that you can win cEDH events like they're side quests is astounding. TES pioneering fundamental changes in RogSi is also a testament to how well-rounded the Eternal Glory crew's understanding of Magic is (and, of course, how much hard work you all do).
Hello! I was the Winota player in Round 2. The draw turn was with 2 possible triggers in play (if winota was in play) and trying to kill the tevesh as it was the only draw engine. I pondered on taking the draw or not as I could have played out winota through 1 piece of interaction, but not multiple. Further, even if I could've gotten through the interaction, I was going to only have 1 trigger as the Tymna/Kraum in seat 2 was stating he would kill the Legion Loyalist I had to swing with to be able to kill the Tevesh out. I definitely agree on forced draws being not great for the format, but in the position we were in I did not really want to risk trying to grind out with only a potential single trigger. It was great to play against you, the game was very enjoyable with good politicing table talk.
Yeah it was a bad spot for you. My point is that you and Tvesh were still taking game actions while me and TK were not. If Tvesh pushes too hard into TK and my interaction, it could give you a window. If you push too hard, it could give Tvesh a window. If everyone turtles up, then we reach the same result 30 minutes later but at least you were live for 4 extra points that whole time. If your worry was being the one pushing too hard and opening the door for Tvesh, then Tvesh should not have agreed to draw. Whoever is in the best position there should have used the remaining time to throw shit at the wall and see if any sticks. Successful players put themselves in position to get lucky when things are bad. If the fail case (play to a draw) is 1 point, but the miracle case (you spike a win) is 5 points, locking in the fail case (ID) with plenty of time to chase a miracle will hurt more than help over a career of tournament play.
@@BoshNRoll in that spot i felt like i was the one pushing the door which wouldve opened it for the seat 1 unfortunately. In that spot i just did not feel in a great spot of strength. Unlucky for me in the round 4 game i was in a stronger spot, felt i did not need to accept the draw that was being offered then immediately lost. Missed out top 16 by 1 point, such is life.
I saw a vid "recently" about a player having a meltdown on Reddit after they and their opponent were points deducted due to "improperly determining a winner" and I was about to ask how one would avoid this, in a situation like this, til I did some googling about learned about 3.12 saying you can reveal cards from your hands legally! Weird rules are weird XD
This guy can play some serious high level magic. Fantastic to see in person. For hours he wanted Bryan(Duckie), the sefris player gone. Welcome to my locals with the sefris menace!!! Congrats going undefeated, lucky or not we take those in this format 🎉
Congrats on the wins! I think the most important thing to take away from this is how being an incredible player can still have wildly different outcomes. You having that 14 month no top 16 spree and then winning a major event is super inspiring. Many people are results oriented and don’t understand that Magic, and especially cEDH have just a tiny little hint of luck involved. Even when peeps lose it’s not always “Skill Issue” cause I think you’re great. GG
Love the overview of this video, even though I am midrange stax player (Tymana Tana). As always appreciate your analysis in tournaments and your overview of what you play. Bringing up draw culture, I 100% agree with you!
Congrats! I was definitely regretting keeping the turn 1 Wheel hand in hindsight but it’s so hard to ship a hand that has Mana Crypt and Ad Nauseam as well.
Yeah if you are player 1 or 2 wheeling turn 1 is defintly the way to go imo. I see what you were thinking in pure value of cards. What I think should have been put into consideration is they kept that hand for a reason. Wheel and let rng figure out the rest.
thanks for talking about the ID meta game that happens. It is interesting to think that even tho they may have been incentivized to draw to stop the other from winning, the draw also stopped the remaining players from losing. In a tournament setting, the chance to make your opponent lose seems similarly valuable to the chance of you winning, so why not (like you said) take that extra time to sure up your choices, especially if there wasn’t much time pressure from the rest of the table (although the Winota player did have some obstacles to Overcome)
Brain, these reports are just as interesting and engaging as your gameplay videos!! Love all the content. Best MTG content creator and a true gentleman. Congratulations on your victory!
In my play group we have the joke that blue farm is Rog/Si with training wheels on (silence effects) so I am glad to see you all grown up. (Of course not to be taken too seriously) Even though my own current list is way less responsible and trading a lot of answers and interaction for pure speed and chaos
Man the way I see it , you’re a top racer but not engineer. Sure you’re not designing your “car” but you’re definitely driving better than anyone to win what you do . Congrats!
Gemstone and dockside are what are counted as balances in the favor of later turn order. But those arent much compared to rhystic and fishtick turn ones being so dominant.
A little curious, obviously a stellar Magic player not trying to say anything else. I’ve been watching for a while and haven’t seen any content related to preparing for or playing in RC/PT/Worlds? Is that just not an aspiration you have or are formats like standard/pioneer/modern just not something you want to prep/play for when you dominate Legacy/Vintage/CEDH so hard?
I did release a Standard video and talked about my prep for the last RC. I was waiting for the ban updates before I plunged into Pioneer for the current RC. None of that is what my core audience wants, but I do put some time into it.
As someone who doesn't play CEDH, I don't particularly like the tournament recaps, but I would love to see any CEDH gameplay. I don't know if that is very feasible, but it would be nice.
I've done it a few times, you can check those out. Commander is very difficult to make a good gameplay video out of for a variety of reasons, I'm unlikely to do that.
i'm putting together a rog si list and have been listening to your recap to try and gauge my list. in the top 16 match with the tivit player i believe; you mention the wishclaw being key in helping you play through interaction in a sort of end step battle. could you elaborate on how wishclaw talisman was helpful?
Oracle Necropotence is different from the one that you read in the deck tech. It creates a trigger when a card is discarded instead of a replacement effect.
Hey, great vid. Would you consider doing a video on why 60 card players should try cedh?I mainly play 60 card, and I tried one event and it wasn't really my thing. However, you really seem to enjoy it. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
This deck looks like sooooo much fun it‘s crazy How complicated is this deck to play? Right now i‘m pretty hooked on Kinnan but all those free synergies are sweet af
38:30, do you mind me asking why you gambled for fierce when you could've gambled for flare of duplication, copied the ad-naus in response to their ad-naus and probably drawn into a counter for their ad-naus (with tons of extra value as well)? You had valley, so could've dumped rocks if needed too. (I'm learning rog-si and am just hoping to learn why that play isn't the right choice)
I can't follow you on the winning play. How did you cast Thoracle? After you had nothing left in the library werent you forced to draw from borne? Or how did you flash in the thoracle?
In my actual winning play, Borne already resolved. In the alternate line where opp went to combat and I have to force the issue, you have to Consult first, hope Oracle doesn't get exiled, then Pact down to 1 card in deck instead of the normal 0 to account for Borne still resolving. Then you flash in Oracle after the stack clears. Pact doesn't exile your deck automatically, you can stop wherever you want.
It's good for a turbo meta and less good for an open meta. I don't think I would have won this event on that build, but I think it would have been a better choice for the invi.
@@BoshNRoll thanks for the thoughts, im in the heart of the “cracked out west coast” rog build and its a ton of fun and shit tech to eek out over the 3 other rogs at my tables 😂
Pact of negation, or counter-spell related draws are really stupid. I got countered by a griefer that knew he couldn't win period. No board presence and 2 cards in hand. But was like, " you're trying to win now". I even stopped the other two players from stopping me. But I told him I prefere we both lose than going for one measly point. Especially when one player already had two wins and I had none.
If anything, Silas is yet more mana advantage and not card advantage because instead of needing to pay 4 for Rograkh after sacking it twice, you can play Silas for 1UB instead
Eww Rog/Si. I think I'm naturally drawn to a deck more like Blue Farm because I prefer mid-rangey types games with more interaction, while still having the ability to quickly win sometimes. Unfortunate that Blue Farm is probably over represented now. Gratz on the win though!
On the "Commander needs to repersent; Mana, a wincon, or card draw." How does Mishra, Excavator Prodigy from Brother's War fair? As a source of mana and card draw? Im sure mono red has some way to levy a win in cEdh. . .
I would love to see more cEDH content, but, from a streamer/content creator perspective it's really not fun to watch. Not sure how to fix it, or where to have that conversation.
1 person gets 5 points for a win and 3 people get zero points for a loss in each match, so folks are constantly scrambling to find 1 point instead of 0 out of a match.
I play a small number of cedh tournaments every year and when I spend money to travel and enter events I want to win them. You can do what you want with your time and money, but I have no problem just playing the best decks and wining.
I normally love your content (and I still do), but calling Kaalia not a cedh deck is just plain incorrect. It's not a top meta deck, obviously, but the only reason people don't get it as a cedh deck is because kaalia is very different (having 4 hits normally) than a high powered kaalia deck. It is a mardu turbo deck that uses its commander to have another separate win axis instead of having (a) commander(s) that only help facilitate main turbo lines in mardu (although there is a lot more nuance here). It also helps that this kaalia pilot is the goat piloter of the deck who has brought it personally to multiple top 16s and top 4s
It is obviously literally a cedh deck because it was in a cedh tournament and succeeding. It's not a reach at all to understand what I meant there is that it's not an expected top meta deck that I have reps and experience and would plan to see undefeated in an event. I feel the same about Sefris, which is clearly literally a cedh deck because I had to play against it in the finals. If you're upset by my wording because discord buillies have said told you "that's not cedh" as a gatekeeping action, I get it, but that's a perspective you're applying to something I said, not how I meant it in the provided context. I simply meant it's a wild card at the table.
@BoshNRoll that's fair, and this comment mostly does sum up my feelings on it (including that I can tell your intent wasn't the same as the normal gatekeeping idiots I've run into before). It is a little bit just that kaalia has long been singled out as non-viable in cedh by many players, and that the length and pervasiveness of that rhetoric has been hurtful to those of us who do play it. It's a sore spot for us, and having kaalia being the only one marked as Kaalia(?), as well as singled out as "normally just high power" despite other off-meta decks being there was reopening a scabbed over wound. I know that you didn't mean your statements in any way as gatekeeping as others have, and in fact, it's not really your actions/words that are wrong. It was just poking a pressure point in an oft brushed aside community in cedh that has seen unnecessary hate everywhere I've gone. As in, I played kroxa and kunoros (a worse deck by a bit. Trust me on that, I've done my work in playing and creating both decks), and that still turned way fewer heads than when I switched back to kaalia.
Sorry for the essay lmao. I have a lot of thoughts on the subject. I do appreciate your comments about why you chose rogsi over Blue Farm, tho, and overall, it was a great vid
I am not sure how you could even play a tournament in EDH ( Note cEDH is high power EDH until you get your own ban list ). A 4-player format is in no way, shape, or form a good setup for a competition. How do you stop King Making or the buddy system l, where 8 guys enter and make a deal to push someone to the top based on wins and then they splits the pot. It's just silly. Get your own ban list, then play 1 v 1, you are welcome.
