Does anyone else feel like a "bleep" is more offensive than the actual swear word? Its like more abrupt, louder and you also know what they are saying.
Interviews with these guys are so hard to watch now. They seem like their main focus is to act like they didn't spend years on stage professing their love of their faith, and they're gonna curse now every other word to remind you they're edgy too! No one would care if you didn't have the same passion for religion now, but they're handling it so sloppily. The Chariot, Norma Jean, Demon Hunter, August Burns Red-- amazing bands from the Christian scene who didn't bludgeon you over the head with their faith, and never focused on it to a fault... they just let the music do the talking. Handle your art the way they did and maybe you wouldn't have to rehash these same topics over and over.
I agree. They almost seem like they're just putting on an act to break into proper mainstream, or something. But more jarring to me, is that their words are eerily similar to Tim Lambesis' words in some interviews he did. And where is he now? In prison, for murder conspiracy.
i mean to be fair, christian bands are now swearing (Norma Jean, POD have swore in their music, and TDWP swear in interviews, heck there was even an interview where skillet swore)
He was worship leader on Parachute Festival 2014, biggest Christian Festival in NZ. He seems to have changed a lot...back than he was full of compassion for Christ.
@johnathan barrett that's true and its very confusing because they act like there were never a Christian band. And that's not cool. I got them tattooed on me I met them in 2007 At mayhem fest it really breaks my heart. I got all the albums.
Wow, Spencer must not have read the Lyrics to "Too bright to see". Also, I remember personally giving my phone number to Spencer after it came out that he was struggling with drugs and telling him I would pray for him. I'm friends with guys in Christian bands that toured with Underoath that supported Spencer. Either Spencer is lying or he doesn't care.
Sometimes we are foolish enough to despise/ignore advice and support unless they tell us what we wanna hear and do what we want them to do. True friends call you out when you're wrong, they don't just pretend they agree with you. Sometimes you even do more wrong things to get them to worry, to get them to actually do something about it, not just delivering their exact same prefabricated and sugarcoated empty speech of pseudo-support. That's what we want. Real concern, real warnings, real advice... though pride might not let us accept it, that's what we need and unconsciously or not, what we look for.
Dang man... I’m new to a lot of the ins and outs of this band, but it’s nuts haha. I’m very interested to see more of what their mission and passions are. Seem like interesting dudes
If this is true that's awesome. That means at least one believer wasn't fake toward him and tried to help. He literally said all believers just wanted to crucify him...whatevs.
I was on tour as a merch guy for a band touring with underoath and I’ve seen how he was treated by Christians and one of my best friends who is not a Christian was one of the ones who was there for him in his struggles. J, Spencer, and I would have hour long conversations where he would express these things
Bro these guys were very serious about their beliefs . Every live performance I saw they would mention Jesus. I understand how beliefs change overtime . But the sour attitude is kind of weak. Especially how much they rode the christian emo scene .
Eh, I'm a guy that isn't particularly religious by any stretch of the word; I simply lack belief. That being said, I love Christian metal music, Satanic music, so on and so forth. The expression of these beliefs in song are very fascinating to me. A love song, a song of hate, a song of worship, evoke different emotional responses. If a band is true christian, half-way christian, banging out christian songs exclusively for the money, eh, I don't mind it so much. I love the adoration these people have for their god just as I admire the exaltation of Nergal's passion in O Satan O Father O Sun. Their works are beautiful. It does seem as if the band is fairly defensive and you can chalk that up to whatever they've experienced however, if I were them, I wouldn't outright black-out their previous catalog of songs as being non-christian when they were and are. Meh, just kinda be what they are now as people/bands evolve. Soak it up. That being said, their new material, for my personal tastes, lacks the artistry, poetic undertones, and passion that their previous albums held, hence why I'm not a huge fan of them now.
Exactly. It came off as if they felt like the past music or idea was somehow shameful when in reality them acting like this NOW comes off more disheartening. It's like when people look back at a phase in their middle-school or high-school life. They say they regret it and it's embarrassing but why? If they enjoyed it and it was who they were, why be embarrassed?
I dont understand his point on him being on drugs and Christians not helping him. Shouldnt he take some accountablitiy for his actions instead of trying to act like its someone elses responsibility to get him off drugs?
Hmmmmm good point...I honestly hope he's not that shallow. I'd wonder...how many non religious people decided to help him out...............................sounds like an excuse to me.
I kinda had the same thought. Like, if you had a tightly knit community of Christians around you who knew you personally, and knew this was going on, but failed to hold you accountable or try to help support you out of your addiction, then yeah that's on them. But at the same time, it wasn't on them that you were in that state in the first place. I know addictions or so complex and spiral, but the accountability is firstly on yourself. Also, it's not the responsibility of your religious fans or CCM to keep you sober, because they don't know you in a personal way. He's really channelling blame to try and force a point here. Reminds me of when Tim Lambesis talked about how none of his bandmates stopped him from getting addicted to steroids and plotting to have his wife murdered. Like, I hear what he's saying, but he definitely tried to kill his wife, and that's not anyone else. I also believe that, while people should be able to forgive, embrace, and support someone through their mistakes and misdeeds, that doesn't mean that you should be allowed to go on business as usual otherwise. If people look to you as any sort of role model type, and then you go down a path that you know violates their principles (which you supposedly claim), then they have every right to no longer regard you as a role model. Everyone knows those standards exist, and defiance to them only years after you broke them ring incredibly hollow. You don't get to keep your platform or influence just because you had it beforehand. Reconciliation doesn't equal reinstatement. Listening to them now, they're awfully whiny. It sounds like they want all the liberty to go back on their word and what they knowingly allowed people to believe about them for years, but at the same time not have any consequences for maintaining a charade and dishonesty towards their audience. But now since many people (particularly from the faith-based community) won't let them have it both ways, they choose to blame them as the problem, because this group didn't make them feel good about themselves. It feels very childish, and that really comes across in the most recent album. Every emotion they address is recycled from song to song, no idea or theme sounds more unique or nuanced or explored in any more depth than the last, and it generally feels like a type of attitude that they should have outgrown, both as a band and as adult people, and so it's so much harder to take seriously or respect as a manifesto of their current state. If anything, it sounds less honest and emotionally compelling, both lyrically and musically, than any of their albums (to me; I don't know them personally to say that last statement with any credibility, but personally, so much of this fails to resonate with the same substance as any of their other work).
+Caleb Pett The part that gets me is the fact that he blames those Christians close to him except the Christians (at the time) that were closest to him...THE MAN SITTING NEXT TO HIM and the rest of the band. How did the blame skip them? He should resent them more than anyone else if he *has* to blame those "mean Christians that didn't help him"....just saying.
I can’t help but notice Gillespie didn’t seem too comfortable with the answer. His body language leads me to believe this was a compromise and not a solid decision.
"i don't think religion should be in music" haha, i bet he wants to sing against Christianity . Aaron looks so joyless not just in this video but many i've seen of him after all this happened. I really wonder if "no one helped" or if he didn't want their help from a christian stand point.
It’s like they’re reverting back to high school. We’re cool! Please think we’re cool!! Under Oath.... means nothing apparently. It’s not about what people think. Who cares what people think. It’s about God. “We’re no longer a Christian band.” Yeah. Good luck with that.
I personally still love Underoath and will always love this band. I am a "Christian", and it makes me sad to hear him say no one reached out to help him through a hard time in his life. A TRUE follower of God loves no matter what, they don't crucify because they disagree. This is what is wrong with the world. People thinking their way is the right way and if you don't follow then you are wrong, sinner, ect. I mess up, I curse sometimes and I drink sometimes, But I still love with all of my soul.
karkesyc Religion has a place in music, it's only bad when religious music bashes you over the head with its message and tells you you're bad for not believing. There's lots of great music with religious messages. I'm saying this as a non-believer as well
I'm disappointed! There are Christians that literally want to help. I personally have helped a couple guys get on their feet fresh out of prison. I'm helping to fund a family member right now to go through a drug rehab program to get her life straight because she was a functioning addict with a 3 year old daughter and I would've helped fund another young lady had she decided to go. You can't generalize Christians by the experiences you've had with some because there are those of us that truly have a relationship not a religion, and we want to Love God and Love people! We want to help make a difference 1 life at a time! I know I do!
I saw chevelle live and they must have dropped the f-bomb twenty times and are still a successful Christian band. It seems like these guys are trying to find an excuse for being washed up.
conner king Chevelle was never a Christian band. Their albums were sold under a Christian label on the first two or three albums but were never a Christian band themselves.
That alienation is quite real, and as he said: They aren't supportive/they are seeking to be detriment. A band is a band, is a band... Being in the public eye gives people false belief in the unfair/unfounded expectation that they should represent something more than what they are - a band. I think his giving up drugs is awesome! Giving up hard habits like that can only lead to better quality of life. That can effect their output of music only for the better! But, make no mistake of misconcieved notion that people are supportive for anything more than their brand agenda in the music industry. It's a hard life - touring. It's a grueling business - composition and songwriting. AND - everyone in the business leaves it at "Sink or Swim" in every way and aspect that is THE INDUSTRY.
Not religious but that title sounds a little extreme. Music is usually about self expression so what about all the people who do believe in God and want to express it whether it be in a metal band or in church choir? It's not that different than satanic lyrics in death/black metal. People should preach what they want.
It's your standard clickbait RU-vid title, but I agree with your statement. Maybe being a Christian band doesn't work for them (opinions about posing as a religious band to try to jumpstart their popularity into the mainstream notwithstanding), Religious bands do have their place. Maybe some kid's into metal, but his parents only let him listen to music with Christian themes? The fact that Ghost has some basically Satanic hymns? I bet there's some Islamic speed metal band out there I've never heard of rockin' it out for Allah, who knows.
People can talk about god in their songs all they want. But when you begin to be called a Christian artist, suddenly everything you write has to be religious other wise it’s not religious music. That’s my problem. You cant speak your mind freely with worship music. It has to be all pointing towards religion or your not considered a Christian artist. Suddenly you feel pressure because you don’t know what your going to say will be pleasing to god.
@@bobbyjacks9601 I think what happened was when a lot of these bands started real young and very purposeful right out the gate, they would never imagined how their world view would change, they became humbled, stronger, or completely changed. I think that was the case with a lot of Christian hardcore bands of the 2000's
As someone who _is_ religious, I’m glad to see you’re not as close-minded as some of these edgy “atheists” or some of these super conservative “christians”.
Exactly. Which is why I don’t listen to religious music because it doesn’t allow you to express whatever you feel in any way you want to. If what you say isn’t pleasing to religion, it’s no longer religious music. You can’t say what you want to say when being classified as a Christian artist if what your trying to say doesn’t point to religion
I love you guys. Religion or not. I never really identified you guys as a Christian band. Not ever. I have a year off Heroin in July. I was able to by God's grace pull through a 10 plus year heroin addiction. Your music helped me in the darkest and now in the best of times. I relate very heavily with your work
Oh, give me a break. tl;dr down below. "we never wrote songs about God...go read Underoath's lyrics" Underoath's lyrics include... "Here on, Lord, is the remains of a broken heart, for I have faith you can give me joy and life again" - Cries Of The Past "Forgive me Jesus this time I cry, I rip my heart out to give to you...hold me close, wash my mind, destroy the me that lives inside" - I Never Meant To Break Your Heart "God take me because I hate me" - Alone In December "Oh Lord have mercy, have mercy on us all" - We Are The Involuntary "I found hope, I found God, I found the dreams of the believers...oh God save us all" - Desolate Earth "I'm the desperate, and You're the Savior" - Breathing In A New Mentality (not explicitly name dropping God, but obviously using Christian language and themes) "God forgive me" - Anyone Can Dig A Hole "Good God, if Your song leaves our lips, if Your work leaves our hands... Good God, can You still get us home" - Too Bright To See, Too Loud To Hear (the rest of the song is thematically Christian, but these are the blatant lyrics) "Salmarnir" is literally slavic for Psalm, and the track is a recitation of Psalm 50 (a chapter from the bible) read verbatim over background music I've left out any instance of "oh God" when it just seemed like an exclamation, and not as an address. As for Some Seek Forgiveness, even if you point at Aaron Marsh as the writer, you signed off on the lyrics and sang "Jesus I'm ready to come home" in the final version. Plus, it's on your record, so it's an Underoath song, no matter how you want to evade or disown it. That's not even mentioning their early work like Act Of Depression, with songs like Heart Of Stone, A Love So Pure, and Spirit Of A Living God, which are so explicitly about God, Jesus, and Christianity. The only reasons I'm not including their lyrics is because they have deviated so heavily from that sound musically, but more so because there are too many to copy and paste without it just being a whole song (which tended to last close to 10 minutes back then, which is so much to include). TL;DR Maybe they aren't as blatant or extensive as bands like For Today, but saying they've never written songs about God is just a bold-faced lie.
A love so pure was my favorite song they ever made, i still listen to it. I believe the vocals were dallas taylor back then... “OH LORD!!!!! HOW I LOVE YOU”
What can we say, they're not doing so well for the past idk how many years.. Someone who isn't well isn't going to be talking straight, I hope they find salvation once more if they truly were ever at that point..
I agree with most of what you said. Only difference is I wouldn't pin anything before they're only chasing safety on them in this instance because it's mostly an interview with Spencer. However I know Aaron was the stronger Christian with Spencer not even being a Christian until later in adulthood. Aaron just had his divorce somewhat recently
Well said. This new album tears me up inside. I was so excited for it. Now after hearing it and the tone they've set i just cant support them. They were a faith-based Christian band back in the day. Touring with Slipknot and praying on stage.. that was bold! We can only pray they make an album in the near future glorifying God again.
Define "Christian rock" because who fucking cares? Good music is good. If I don't like Underoath, it's because of they're style. But Demon Hunter and Flyleaf got me into rock and metal... AS AN ATHEIST.
@@edroseptic9442 I way the same way with Norma Jean...I had no idea they were considered a Christian band either. I think they identify as "Christians in a band"...rather than worship music, which is different. I listen to both, there is a huge difference. Sleeping Giant would a mix of those two.
Apolyon That is completely untrue, there's so much music out there that has religious meanings but have good messages and DO NOT OPPRESS (and im saying this as a non believer) like Kendrick Lamar's Good Kid M.A.A.D City, where the album's story takes place in Compton, a city plagued with violence and gangs and at the end of the song Sing About Me; I'm Dying of Thirst, a person who is looking for vengeance as a rival gang killed his brother, is approached by an old woman who says that "See you young man are dying of thirst...that means you need water, holy water, you need to be baptized in the spirit of the lord" then she takes the boy under her wing and has him recite a prayer, which then changes him and turns him to his "real life" as the old woman said. Kendrick the artist has stated that religion can be a way to escape the violence of cities like these, and as someone who has been around places like South Central L.A. in my younger years, I can confirm that religion helps lots of people who are struggling in regions and cities like these. But when a song is forcing religion in your face and telling you that if you don't believe you're going to hell, thats another story.
As a Catholic Christian, I understand where Spencer is coming from but I loved UnderØath because they just preached a positive message. My parents thought post hardcore/metalcore/heavy metal was satanic music and I showed them the lyrics that UnderØath gave me to stay positive and they didn't like the sound of the music, but they accepted the message
It truly saddens my heart to hear this and look in the comments and see just how many people have been cut down and heard by "christians". As christians we are supposed to be called to love everyone, no matter what they are going through, and never be scared or feel too proud to help people, but it is sad how many people do the opposite and ruin Jesus for people. Every person I know that hates God have some story about they were hurt by christians. How they wanted to believe, but seeing how judgemental and asshole-ish so many christians are, turned away. the problem is that the ones who are mean and judgmental are that way because they have secrets that they are trying to hide and they are scared of being exposed. I encourage you all to pray for those people and not let the actions of those people define all of christianity because they are NOT what christianity is about.
Christianity isn't about the people who do a horrible job of representing it, it is about the person and the glorification of Christ. We as Christians should do the most we can to be a good representation of Christ, even if that means abandoning and calling out the wicked/sinful actions of the world. I do a horrible job of representing Christ and I struggle with sin everyday. Conforming yourself to the image of Christ is a life-long sanctification process. I can definitely see people having a bad impression of Christians though, whether that is because of Christianity being forced on them or if they just don't like the idea of biblical teaching, I don't know. I just hope that the elect are all being reached, this world is a scary one and sometimes it is hard to believe that God is working. I know that God's will will be done regardless though. God bless you all in this comment section, may you find peace in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
See, I am a Christian and I disagree with the notion that it shouldn't be in the music. However, I really feel bad for Spencer, the fact that those who call themselves followers of Christ refused to help him with his addiction is just sickening. And with Erase Me, a lot of people (myself included until I actually gave it a listen) wrote it off as an album that was basically giving a middle finger to Christianity. But as I read the lyrics and such, I realized that it seems to actually be Spencer screaming his pain to God, saying, "Look, your children failed to help me, you're my only hope." Instead of being a middle finger to Christianity, I see it more as an album that calls out those who call themselves Christians but rush to condemn a person the moment that they reveal they're struggling with something.
Jacob ill have to listen closer, but my only issue is (at least i dont think) spencer doesn't take his faith that seriously anymore. I understand he could be angry at others for what happened, but you also have to set a good example. Im not expecting every song to be about God and what He's done. But i do expect the band, or at least the front man, to set forth a Christ like example. Im open to both options 1. The album is a "screw you" to Christianity. 2. They want to express their experiences and give their side of the story. I know that no ones perfect, but there's no reason not to be better. Hope you see my point
Also, following the example Christ set for us to follow. I listen to bands that dont label themselves as Christian but the singer or front man tries to set forth a good example.
Dylan Holt you're wrong but also not wrong. watain, behemoth, dissection talk about satan. but immortal snd carach angren ans I think empeor don't talk about satan. so ya. I still think black metal would be fucking awesome anyways..dimmu borgir progress of the great apocalypse is an amazing song but doesn't talk about satan in that song. so ya it all depends man. they're some really kickass underground black metal that don't talk about satan like bishop of behexen, mirrorthrone, and apostasy. check mirrorthrone. super fuckin underground. check out an album with two skulls. you won't regret it. really good stuff.
Leroy Najatahn oh ya lots of screwed up stuff on this planet. also bathorys blood fire death and hammerheart doesn't talk about satan. I haven't listened to blood fire death in a while but I know for a fact that hammerheart doesn't talk about satan.
@@ashleygreen1627 I'm not religious. But, I think that if someone wants to write about religion then they should. Didnt know blasphemy was the only mode of expression that mattered.
He basically said Christianity is a bunch of rules. That’s not Christianity, that’s all other religions... Aaron should know better than that too. They lied so much in this interview... I have a dvd of them talking about Jesus from the stage. And they definitely talk about God in their older lyrics....
Some branches of Christianity have rules. Yeah, non-devout Christians don't follow them all the time, but there are still rules. Every religion has rules. Some people just aren't aware of that.
Avenue Teal - We base our “religion” off of Christ and the gospel. It’s a relationship. It’s actually the opposite of rules. It’s letting HIM do the work in you and you being an open vessel. When you’re born again, you don’t want to do worldly things. And if you do sin, then you have that conviction of the Holy Spirit that prompts repentance. Jesus is always there to forgive you when you slip up.
Nature has rules too: You jump off a cliff, you die, you do drugs, you get messed up, you have kids outside of marriage, you will be broke. Jesus wants us to be successful, spiritually, emotionally, even physically
Eh. Christianity is pretty strict, at least compared to Catholics. I’m a atheist but I grew up in a insanely religious environment so u tended to have to listen to what they were talking about and Christians love to talk down on other people that don’t support their beliefs.
Will, what are you talking about? True Christianity is rules personified and I completely understand why they made this decision. It makes no difference to me as I'm not a fan but, Christian rock artists struggle to constantly toe a line that could make their lives and livings not worth it. It's why many bands don't last long or are constantly changing members. At least this band partially held it together and is still making art while embracing faith.
"We never sung about God...We didn't write that song" Come on, what a cop out. You still chose to record it and play it at countless shows for over a decade
@@summeronio9751 that's what really bothers me about them today. They can make anti-Christian screeds like their last two albums and yet will play "Some Will Seek Forgiveness" which is openly a worship tune. They could appear to be principled by saying, "We don't feel comfortable singing this song because it doesn't match our current beliefs," but they'd rather blaspheme by singing a worship tune just to cash in on nostalgia.
Patrick James Juplo I haven't heard an interview where either would be the case. Maybe they are talking about those things. I stand by my original comment. If someone doesn't choose to listen to UO's music based on the lyrical content being offensive that's their choice. At least Underoath are no longer faking it.
They had such joy in their hearts when they praised the worshiped the Lord and Son so freely. Now look at them? The world of Lucifer is starting to swallow them whole and take it's toll. I pray they turn back from this bold choice of theirs.
wdrumz Oh your god won't do shit. They can be happy and not have to worship some fairy tale. Fuck that shit. Your god should've been strong enough to keep them. You idiots think that this non existent deity really would give a shit.
I loved Underoath in high school, love Underoath now at 28 years old. Never mattered to me whether they were a christian band or not, I'm just happy they took the time to find themselves as people and are getting back together.
Yeah I am a huge athiest, and i have been since i was like 8. I have loved underoath my whole life. I am 29 now. It didnt matter to me if they spoke about god, i just looked at it in a different way. Ill always love this band.
@@mikeoxmaul9675 They got where they are because of their Christian fan base... Which now they have alienated. These guys should know better than to expect flawed fans to be thier "example". As Christians we look to Christ because we ALL fall short of his glory.
They view Christianity in a very cookie cutting view. There’s a lot that the religion/Church annoy me about but Christ and His word brings me back...I cannot disown it
@@TheTalmon18 I don't believe that for one second. I believe that Spencer has been feeling that way for awhile but you can tell all the other members are really bummed out. It's so easy to see and it's sad. I feel like Spencer and Aaron highjacked the band because they can and everyone else is just forcefully agreeing to keep playing music instead of quitting.
Man Spencer, what did Jesus ever do to you? Aaron do you remember you wrote this..... When I am losing When I am broken When I am sinking like a stone And it feels like I am alone I will worship You When I am so scared When I am tired to lose my way When I am feeling so ashamed I will worship You You are the anchor to my soul Draw me to you and soon it go Only love can make me whole Jesus I worship you (repeat) When I am dancing When I am hopeful When I am feeling mercy's hand And I am living life again I will worship you When chains are broken When heal it's coming When you will forgive me .. my heart This is my brand new start I will worship you You are the anchor to my soul Draw me to you and soon it go Only love can make me whole Jesus I worship you (repeat)
Me parece bien que reconozcan que ya no son una banda cristiana, pero no me parece que digan que nunca escribieron letras cristianas. En los conciertos ustedes decian venir en nombre de Jesús y comenzaban a hablar de él. Solo digo que reconozcan su pasado que fue grandioso
Christianity did not ruin Underoath. Their individual &/or collective efforts of trying to maintain a false, people-pleasing ‘Christian image’ is what ended the band. Faith will always have a place in music as long as the compassion, empathy & steadfast friendship of God is given to others. This is a band of extremes (as they have said in many interviews). They’ve just swung from one extreme (Christian band) to the other (not standing for anything). Where is their middle ground?
I think you missed the point. The band members of Underoath felt alienated by Christians due to a Christian sub-culture that judge minorities. I used to listen to them and other Christian bands when I was a teenager. The music I listened to and the way I dressed was inspired by these inherently creative, artistic people. Here are one of the many ways that I was judged: I was judged for listening to rock music, for growing out my hair, for not wearing suits to church, for growing a beard instead of going for a clean shaven look. All of that judgment was projected onto me for mere music tastes and wardrobe choices. Now imagine all the judgment you would get for producing music with screaming vocals, for your band members being tattooed, for expressing yourself creatively, playing in secular venues, etc. If we're honest, there's a very toxic sub-culture in Christianity and there always will be because some people are critical, judgmental, rude and nasty by default. I wish I had more time to touch on more aspects of your comment. For example the pressure that Underoath felt in respect to projecting a certain image. I feel like you missed the point but I'm not even sure that you're going to read this, so I'll just end this comment right here.
It's very telling when you think that just because they aren't focused on being a "christian band" anymore that they don't stand for anything at all. Some of that good ole christian charity at work, huh?? 😒
@@grayskull1521 In this interview their focus was to distance themselves from Christianity, to make clear what they DON'T stand for. They didn't have the same energy emphasizes what they do apparently stand for now.
It's hard to listen to this. I feel like Spencer is so quick to blame the label, the industry, and the "Christian" fans... You were a kid, you got fame, you used drugs and made a lot of mistakes and that was your choice. You shouldn't come back now and act like the church and God is what caused your troubles over the past ten years. I feel like Aaron is so torn during all of these "disowning Christianity" videos. You can almost see it in his face that all the work he put into his ministry feels pointless to him now. He has a great heart and a talent. I hope they both realize that people don't hate them for their choices. God will never leave them and I believe still has plans for UO to change people's hearts and lives for His glory. Good luck fellas!
Ahmen, Spencer was an amazing preacher at this concerts. And Aaron sang great for the Lord. I pray they turn back. You can see their spirits dying from this choice.
He doesn't seem torn to me. He seems like he engineered it. LIke he's angry at someone or something, and is taking it out on God. I'm by no means a preacher, and I'm far from a saint, but there are lines even I won't cross.
He’s not disowning his past with the church he’s just hoping that the good in humanity will prevail and be more aiding each other and not like he said where Christians were not being thy brother helping another brother which I thought Christians were taught
@@foragingfleur I've heard many, many instances were Spencer was offered a helping hand to recover time, and time again, but he chose not to. Instead he chose to blame his problems on God and the church.
....that’s rich coming from a band that got their “fame” and success from being a “Christian band”. This is as disappointing as tdwp doing this thing. There’s nothing wrong with being a Christian band. You don’t have to say your band needs to write about Christian things, we aren’t perfect. It’s just hilarious hearing them say that.
They got their fame from making good music. The only people that cared that they were Christian were people who only listen to Christian music. The only super religious stuff they ever released were their eps anyways and hardly anyone even knows they exist.
Jordanla you'd 1st need to understand how marketing works. Christianity is incredibly profitable after all. Its refreshing and honest of them to seperate themselves from the facade. Sure its the equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot, from a financial perspective, but as someone who recognizes how they've evolved from album to album this was the next step in there progression. In the end, only their music shall speak for itself, whether your fan or not, it's their truth.
Jordanla underoath didn’t get to where they are because they were a Christin band. They got to wherethey are by making good music. I would say the majority of their fan base didn’t give two shits about wether or not they were Christian. That’s not why people enjoyed their music. Besides it seems false to me to say the only reason you like a band is because they make religious music.
The thing is before... they actually had passion for something in their music when they cared about religion. Now that that's gone, the music got so much more bland.
Thank “God”...”god”? ... they kicked Dallas Taylor out of the band for his sins of being depressed and becoming alcoholic over a breakup, instead of, you know, standing by him. Then again, that would’ve been considered “Christian” (or being decent humans), but it all makes sense now! They never were “Christians” just like Taylor said way back in the day. This is just sad. *Edit At least they supported him after his ATV accident. I’m not even Christian and never cared about Underoath being Christian, but this type of stuff automatically sets off cynicism, especially considering how Dallas Taylor was one of the first “screamers” that I actually appreciated and the band proceeded to cut him out for non-Christian ways. Guess I’m still just bitter after 13 years. (Spencer did a good job... but seeing this type of stuff ...I guess 13-years changes things... still somehow sets me off...) Great music, but Dallas Taylor was kicked out and treated like shit for the same beliefs these guys are denouncing in this video. I guess you can’t change the past though... Agree or disagree, I hope everyone is having a good day today.
When Dallas was kicked out he kinda put out a message saying in broad terms that people in the scene were not standing up for their beliefs and basically afraid to sincerely express their faith, and I wondered if these words were somehow related to his former bandmates in Underoath... What happened to Dallas was terrible, and, sadly, I can't even find any update on how he is nowadays. He was such a powerful and charismatic vocalist and frontman, he definitely had something special about himself P.S.: I didn't know Dallas had so many problems because of divorce, that's disappointing to hear
Aaron is kind of the one that confuses me. I don’t know if he even believes in God anymore. If he does he’s pretty silent about it, but I know he was a pretty strong Christian before and as a Christian myself I don’t understand when people “just decide” He doesn’t exist anymore. You become a Christian when you believe in Him. I’m not saying that’s what Aaron is doing, but he’s not exactly defending his beliefs.
Tokey Bear I’ve never understood that. I’ve seen the supernatural at work with my own eyes. When I look at anything outside of human creation I can’t help but see that it had to have been designed by a higher power.
Tokey Bear I have seen demon possession. I have brushed up against solid things that were not physically there. Seen believe it or not, gold and small gem stones created out of thin air. Supernatural healings through prayer and so on and so fourth.
Tyler Smash that’s not what i said. What i said is they act like pussies when someone shit talks religion. They (and I’m assuming you) get all offended the second someone questions their beliefs. I learned a long time ago that I can’t have a proper debate with a religious person. It has nothing to do with whether they agree with me or not.
to be fair, those albums are Taylor era underoath, different from spencer underoath (not saying that what they said about never writing a christian song is not ridiculous though)
@@soulexchangemusic I hear ya. Aaron was with them the whole time though. So the comment about it is BS. Let's not forget their band name being Underoath. That has Christian roots written all over it.
Dallas was a really preachy guy so comparing it to Spencer era does not make much sense. Still, Cries Of The Past and Changing Of Times were not that much Christian IMO. Most of those lyrics were made up for interpretation, unlike Act Of Depression that is pretty much preachy and I Love Jesus and stuff like that.
Ok, as a Christian I don't care if my band says cuss words. My only deal breaker is using God's name in vain. That's not just bad, but it's a commandment God thought it important enough to make it His 3rd commandment. There are lots of good Christian bands. Listen to Skillet, RED, Demon Hunter, my favorite Thousand Foot Krutch and Love & Death. Good Christian rock is available. I feel bad that Underoath has had such negative experiences.
People I've encountered at rehab usually feel very conflicted about religion because as soon as they mentioned having a problem they were abandoned. The truth is addiction is an illness and it requires support from a community which is why people go to Alcoholics or Narcotics Anonymous, especially when the Christian community turns their back on them. Glad they no longer feel trapped and I hope that Spencer and the band can let go of their resentments because that's good for recovery too...
Spencer's attitude about religion strikes me as both attention-seeking, and annoying. He's not thinking deeply about the connection between rock concerts and religious experience - and how even if striped of it's religious symbolism still enacts a very religious experience. Here I'm considering the comments from Jordan Peterson and John Vervaeke who both describe the setting of rock concerts to be very religious and spiritual even if audiences don't consider it that way.
Who cares if they aren't a Christian band anymore, what matters is the music, you people need to be a little bit less judgemental, if they say "FUCK" on a song let them say "FUCK" If you don't like that, then don't listen to them simple as that, there's a lot of Christian bands out there you can listen to, don't waste your time hating on a band just because they don't share your believes anymore. Just saying live and let live.
No, noone should tell anyone what to do with their music If someone doesn't want religion in their music - great If someone wants religion in their music - also great
karkesyc no I’m just saying that they claim it has no place in music but I’m saying for some musicians it works I never claimed everyone has to be a Christian.
GuitarMasterDestroyer didn’t say that I said that religion does have its place in music which they claimed that religion shouldn’t at all be in music. All I’m saying is that yes if you want to be a Christian band then go right ahead.
Wow Aaron Gillespie didn't affiliate with underoath because they weren't Christian anymore...that's why he left the band I mean for real dude he had worship songs out...what a poser...Underoath hasnt been good in years anyway...and Spencers always contradicted himself...anyway I was done with these guys a Loooonnnnggggg time ago!
Anna Marie is that why he looks so discontent and empty in every interview I've seen of him lately...Underoath is a has been band anyway...they started going down hill once they took God out of the equation...funny how that happens...and Aaron well I was greatly disappointed but you're right people change their minds...funny what some dollar signs can do to a mind :-)
this band somehow managed to become one of the very few "christian" bands I could enjoy without cringing. something about them completely turning tail on that is actually more cringe-inducing than anything they said live regarding god/religion. "GUYS WE AREN'T INTO GOD ANYMORE WE ARE COOL!" too little, too late. I saw them on the "Rebirth" tour playing chasing safety and define the great line. they should have just stuck to playing the good stuff. the new songs suck, the new "edgy" attitude sucks, the whole thing sucks. shitting on the legacy they had left sitting pretty well.
Their new stuff is good and more dark I mean face it stuff got better the sound of separation and disambiguation harder and heavier riffs their only chasing safety was when they were younger now they have a better sound and I'm all for it 😎🤟
@@pathoftheuknown9709 You can't be sober if you honestly think Erase me is better than Define the great line. Voyeurist is a good album but erase me was doodoo.
I can't wait for these guys to experience God's love for them again. It's gonna be great. Spencer, i believe never had much of an opportunity to truly grow his foundation on Christ. I think he believed and then kind of went along with it and didnt get a chance to step aside and truly seek Christ for himself. True Christ followers definitely shouldve reached out to help him when he was having issues. But if he had a true relationship with Christ he would know that those actions of those Christians doesnt reflect the nature of God. That even if "Christians" seemingly condemned him, God did not. And he could lovingly rebuke those Christians instead rebuking Christ. As for Aaron, my understanding is that he does still have a relationship with Christ and put out a couple worship albums of his own a few years ago. But he is completely turned off by most Christians and the general Christian community. He was interviewed as saying that he never wanted to work in Christian music again because all the executives still do everything for money and fame and actually tell you how to write worship songs and what it has to include to be released. He said he played those songs as worship to his God and they made it about everything else. So he said he was done with the Christian music industry. Likewise, he feels very wronged by the Christian community for how they treated him when he got a divorce. I know they will have another radical encounter with Christ that leaves them glorifying Him again, but it may not look the same as it did before. In their defense, we as Christ followers definitely do need to learn to have the same grace, love and mercy for people that Christ does. We are his representatives here on earth. And we need to stop acting like we are righteous for anything that we have done. The whole idea of following Christ is admitting we need a savior. Because we are too screwed up on our own. We mess up far too often. So let's stop pressuring and condemning others for their screw ups. Show the grace and love that was shown to us by Christ. Cause we didnt earn it. And we admit that by admitting we need (and have) a savior. Let's stop acting like there is a requirement for others to earn it or be perfect.
Great words, man. Hope they will turn to God again someday. In the end though, I would really like them to be happy and content with their lives and views even if it means maintaining their current stance on Christianity, or rather Christians for that matter
I was really excited for them to come back. Now, honestly, I'm just annoyed. All they talk about now is "religion sucks". It's just as annoying as the ones that push Christianity on people.. In my humble opinion.
Who "pushes Christianity on people" these days? Whenever it's mentioned others freak out and usually bash it. Hilariously people that claim Christianity is so "pushed" ignore and even support islamic groups, that actually murder other people for not converting to or leaving their religion...
Saying that something has no place in music is really, really dumb Art is a way to express yourself, your beliefs and opinions There should be no rules in Art about whats allowed or not These guys are so ignorant
GuitarMasterDestroyer personal opinion, but I feel like most "Christian rock" bands start on the Christian end of the spectrum because it's easier to get a foot in the door, then once they gain some popularity go mainstream and release a statement like "We're still kinda sorta Christians, but didn't want to confine ourselves lyrically". Not saying they all do, but enough big names in Christian rock and metal have to pin it as a trend.
GuitarMasterDestroyer: I believe what they are meaning to say is that religion as a whole shouldn't be in THEIR MUSIC. They're not meaning to say that religion and everything else about or related to it should be banned from all forms of music, it is the right of any individual artist to express themselves individually, they don't care, they have no problems what anyone thinks, feels, or believes in, it's what makes oneself ONESELF, it's what makes you YOU. That's what they're meaning to say ☝🏾😌
That IS the point. Religion is a RULE. Once those choose to adhere to it's rules music loses its expression and it then becomes this predetermined notion that represents something larger than itself and anything incontrast to these terms is met only with scrootny and judgement. LABELS KILL MUSIC This of course is industry standard no matter which sector of music, no matter the belief system or lack there of.
I respect underøath career decisions,they are grown men and can make their own choices. But Underøath helped me find Christ and build a relationship with him. So idk how to feel.
I felt the same way when I heard them respond in the manner they did. They were influential to me too for many reasons. I just hope your relationship continues/is unwavering. People can change under whatever circumstances and unfortunately it seems nobody reached out to him (probably is even deeper than that). Our environments constantly shape us through life but our foundation hopefully persists. I hope yours remained.
For everything there is a reason and for every reason there is a revelation If bad times help us strengthen our faith, some people who couldn't keep their Faith still did their duty for God
Oh lord....(no pun intended) so we’re just going to pretend all of the songs you wrote for years about Christ and Christianity didn’t happen?.... ✨ KAAYYYYYYY ✨ wouldnt be a problem if yall didn’t blatantly and unnecessarily lie about it
Aaron knows better. He grew up in a Christian home, a pastors kid. I’ve heard him worship. I’ve seen and felt his heart towards God in worship. It’s just sad to see the path he’s choosing. Bad influences he’s choosing. What he’s really looking for is God. You. Need. God. Always! Choose Him
@@aeiou352 Act of Depression is their only true “preachy” album. Even when Dallas was still in the band, their lyric approach started to shift to something more personal and made for interpretation, instead of “Jesus Loves You” kind of thing.
i just hope and pray that one day they all can come back to Jesus. bitterness is a serious issue, may the Love of God shall be restored in these people.
I've been an fan of Underoath since 2009, I was 8. I grew up in a Christian home, no matter what i still support and respect them as people and musicians. Congrats on sobriety, your new album is awesome!! Thank you for your music.
Again, people fall out of Christ; but not because of Christ, because of the people who “follow” Him. As a Christian, I always hate to hear these things. Many people who call themselves Christians don’t even know what that means
@@TokeyBear420 it is the market they entered, and because they were "Christian" they stood out from the rest, which helped them climb to the top faster. It's easier to get a "Christian Grammy" than a regular one. Less competition, and most Christians back then used to pay for records, not download them illegally. Christians are generous, it's at the core of the faith. That's why there are so many fake preachers and wolves in sheep's clothing pimping out church folk. Lots of money to be made.
Spencer whines that everyone wanted to 'crucify' him, yet cant stop being negative and see the effect its had on Aaron. Not saying Aaron isnt accountable for his own actions, but its very easy to get influenced by those around you. And lets be honest, Aaron seems extremely angered these days. They honestly should have changed the bands name. Not use the fame they got in the scene by being a Christian hardcore band to cling to relevance.
Music is about expression no matter what you believe in. Unfortunately, you're just caving into anti-christian rhetoric running rampant in this day and age. Underoath didnt stick to their guns, and I lost a lot of respect for them because of it.
LurchingDeath You guys are the types of non-believers that make us normal non-believers also look bad, you sound like a 13 year old who just found out what Athiesm is and started watching TJ. Piss off.
Now only i know underoath are christian or ex-christian. In anyway, i love underoath, but i only knew a couple of their songs. But if you cant put Jesus in your music, your work, your everyday life that means your not a christian, Christianity should be preaching the Gospel, not just enjoying the world. Anyway, we will soon find out where are we going after death. Burn in Hell or go to Heaven. Thats your free will. God is not going to force anybody, but he warns us all in the Bible. If you dont believe it than its up to you, dont blame him if you go to Hell.
Kinda just now watching this and reading all these comments from two years ago lol but I still wanna get it out there for anyone else who watches this, don’t be a toxic christian. I’m a dedicated christian and I play music, and I still respect this guy and this band. They didn’t go all Prada on us, but they did change some belief systems. I think it’s sad what Spencer went through, but he’s being the self that he’s never been before and he’s happy. So in his honor, a toast, boys.
The dudes in Underoath have definitely grown up and been through a lot but I HATE their new music. It is trash, overly compressed, forced, terrible sounding music. Spencer is sandboxed into ONLY being able to sing about being against religion now. Nobody cares. Underoath is absolute trash.
It's like they all just turned 14 and discovered atheism. It's ok, this is good. Theyre like teenagers now but they'll finish growing up someday and go back to making good music.
What he's saying, isn't wrong here. I kinda feel the same way about other businesses and schools. Anyone's free to believe what they believe, but it shouldn't be the leading thing in places where you're dealing with a lot of people with a lot of backgrounds, you know? Good on them for being open and honest about that
I'm a Christian and I liked Underoath growing up and I still like their music now. It's kinda similar with As I Lay Dying in some respects but I respect them finding out what they believe in and whatever makes them happy
He sounds so confused. Trying to be open and equal yet still opinionated that you shouldn’t worship your faith in music? Conflicted, admits to being messed up. I’ve been there which is crazy to say but that right there is conflicting if you can’t tell. Drugs and alcohol are also voids that open you up to harmful spirits. Talk about oppression. Dropping the F bomb felt so good when I was oppressed as well, so I get the cursing. I pray that the demons don’t take over forever, guys. Don’t be afraid of that cancel culture either. Stay strong. Always been a fan.
