The reason we caution against yaw heading gain is actually not due to overtuning risk. That could happen with any of the axis. The main reason is if you only bank and yank (roll+pitch) to turn, you're never resetting heading on the yaw axis. This ends up leading to yaw heading accumulating and you might end up with it fighting your inputs without knowing why. This isn't an issue for Roll and Pitch since you pretty much always have to use those to fly the plane.
That's a good point too, thanks for bringing that up! Jon was thinking mostly about how some jets (specifically twin tail fighters) tend to snap roll with too much rudder input and a heading hold while banking/yanking would definitely lead to that. Appreciate you clearing it up!
Don't dismiss 'heading hold'! I find it is brilliant if you have an aircraft - probably tail-dragger or tricycle with short wheelbase - which is difficult to hold straight during take-off. I will set anything between 25 - 50% Yaw. Depends on the size of the rudder and a little bit of taxi trialing is needed to stop over-compensation. Once sorted it will hold aircraft as straight as a die during take-off run. Once airborne, as long as you use rudder you would not know it was operating, but I normally switch it off and next use it to taxi back from far end of runway! I have it setup as my 3rd mode - SAFE, AS3X+ and Heading. This has saved me on several occasions when I was beginning to make a fool of myself with ground loops etc.... on take-off. I now use it always, on certain aircraft. 😁
This is fantastic, Jon. 35 years ago I stepped away from the hobby for family reasons. I was taught old school. 5 years ago I re-entered the hobby with all this wonderful new technology. I fully embraced the new technology and find it one of the most enjoyable parts of the hobby. Thanks for your easy to follow guide to AS3X +.
Then we wouldn't have the independence needed to create content the way we'd want to. Don't get us wrong, Horizon is awesome, but the overwhelming majority of our channel income is derived from YT advertisements and guys like you donating to the cause!
Jon, your channel has got to be the most informative, no nonsense (well maybe a little nonsense), comprehensive channels on YT. You and Tail Heavy are my absolute favorite RC channels, and it's a coin toss for which is my favorite. Thank you for the hard work and dedication day after day. Your video content has helped me tremendously ever since I found your channel about 2 years ago. I'm not meaning to sound like a kiss-ass, but thanks for everything you do. I know it takes considerable time and effort!
Excellent, comprehensive tutorial, Jon. Thanks! I fly in SAFE a lot. I just blow up the bank angles and enjoy the hell out of flying around the park near home- and bringing my planes home in one piece afterwards 😊 One thing I've learned is that SAFE gains are NOT the same thing as AS3X(+) gains. You REALLY don't want those adjustable. SAFE gains dictate how much throw the surfaces will move while in SAFE. And it's REALLY touchy on an NX8 R-knb. Barely saved my Maule after that little experiment. If a plane doesn't allow for enough elevator movement while in SAFE, I just bump up the pitch SAFE gains until the elevator deflects the same, in or out of SAFE. But, you really don't want SAFE gains adjustable. I've upgraded most of my receivers to 3x+. The plane I'm seeing the most improvement on is the Eflite p47 1.2m. I used to constantly tinker with AS3X gains, high speed passes would shake the roll axis. But the rotor from trees surrounding the landing strip would pummel her if I turned the gains down. With just a few flights in 3x+ I've dialed in the correct amount of stability in tree rotor I need to land. While keeping her on a laser at high speeds. I love that I've got that added challenge ahead of me- learning to fly without auto leveling to assist. It keeps my relationship with this hobby "spicy" 😊 Thanks again for the deep dive in 3x+, Jon 👍
Yup - that's why the subject of SAFE gains wasn't covered. There's no real point to adjusting them for the average user. + as a system is so much better, it's hard to believe the same receivers are being flown. What used to fly worse now flies so much better, regardless of the wind.
As a relative beginner with an NX8 this video swamped me and now I'm feeling more lost than ever. I was able to update my NX8 and 2 of my 3 receivers (for some reason the 631 in my EFlite T28 1.2 couldn't be recognized by the Spektrum programmer). Looks like I'm sticking with stock settings until I get my engineering degree LOL.
Thank you for this video!!!!! Been wanting to put safe on my extreme flight plane (just for insurance) for a while. Gonna have to watch this a few times to fully understand these vocab words tho lol
This is the absolute BEST explanation and setup video I've seen. I didn't really understand "stick priority" and a couple other thing's until now. Put's Spektrum to shame. Though, I will need to watch it several more times to fully assimilate, and apply. Many Thanks!!!!
Fantastic Video Jon! Going to share this video to the spektrum people at my club to assist them on updating to as3x+. Thanks you and keep up the amazing content!
You’re using RU-vid and not a VHS tape. Might as well move forward with the hobby. Doesn’t mean you have to change or get rid of any of your planes. Just enjoy what we have now and how much things have improved.
Brother, you are the man for this! I've learned so much from watching your vids. I've been using throttle based gains for good while now since you showed it in one of your vids a while back and its an absolute game changer! I honestly don't know what it is about people who can't see past their nose about gyros and how to use them to your advantage, setting them up as "mini flight computers" and such. Thanks again, and keep doing what you do to help keep advancing this great hobby of ours!! 🫡🫡👏👏
Throttle Based Gains. I go along with your suggestion Jon, for some aircraft, but I think there is a conflict if you have an aircraft and want to perform a high AoA flypast, when she will require a lot of power at low speed, which is when you want the max gain available. I have my gains on the left slider and adjust them for different flight scenarios. Perhaps I'm missing something and I am certainly not meaning to sound critical. You have done a fantastic job in presenting something which, I for one, had not yet got my head around and was anxious to understand.
Nice! I generally don't use AS3X unless it''s preprogrammed and then I don't mess with it but it's because I don't know how. Now I've got a good base point to start playing with things.
Thanks Jon for posting this one 👍🏾.now I can just share the link and send folks down the rabbit hole 😂. This is hands down the best all around tutorial of AS3x and its features I’ve seen yet! Trying to explain this stuff at the field can be exhausting. You’ve bundled it quite well. Thanks for always sharing this stuff with the world!
Talk about exhausting - this vid's script started two weeks ago and took about 30 hours this week to finish up. But y'all need to hear how these things work. It was well overdue. Happy to help!
I switch to as3x+ last week and i love it !!! I only had to lower my gains .. is that only me or did you had the same?! Didnt mess with the nosewheel and heading stuff .. just flying my fms sukhoi and freewing mig-29 like there is no tomorrow!!😂
@@TwoBrosRCthanks for your quick reply! Gonna try the throttle based gains (on throttle curve) thanks for the great info and sharing ofcourse !! Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
Yeah, indeed. The forward flip in 2:23 stopped my breath for a moment and I was wondering if I also „need“ an EC 1500 now all of a sudden … 😂. Jon is definitely a bad influence on your wallet 😋
I have a sig tclips im tempted to setup gains to my throttle. As3x+ works great on it. Problem I now have is the plane will push 100mph full blast. Full span flaperons and it lands at a crawl. It does get bounced around more for sure.
I really love your channel, Jon! Incredibly valuable info here and so well explained even though the matter is a pretty complex one. Still, this vid left me kind of dizzy this time and I ended up having a knot in my brain. 😂 Indeed, an awful lot of info in a rather short period, just like you said. Glad that I can watch it several times 😅. Thank you so much for your amazing work, highly appreciated!
well done video, lots to digest, but looking forwards to learning ascx+ for my 3d planes. Been using the cortex for 8 years, but it looks like this finally has some of the adjustments I've been hoping for
i thought we didnt used gyros here😂😂😂😂 for real great video it realy smooths out a good fly on any day thqts how i fly on as3x, i use frsky though there systems is bananas, barrel rolls on safe dont ask me how😂😂😂😂
Hi John, I am sure this has been asked before but what servos do you use as replacements for 17g and 23g FW servos? I know the 9g ones but I could not find any for the bigger sizes.
Hi Jon, Good video but a bit like trying to eat an elephant all in one go! Might I suggest you follow up with short videos that cover just one topic at a time. The viewer can set to repeat and work through their own setup to the video - if you miss something the first time it will quickly come around again. You don't cover nose wheel gyro settings so how about doing that in this format. Just remember there are a few of us there that are not super fast computer wizards. Thanks for your efforts thus far.
Unfortunately that won't work well with our schedule of video releases, considering we post once per week. That would take up at least a month's worth of scheduled uploads, and we have companies and people waiting for us to post aircraft. Don't be afraid to re-play segments or ask questions on Discord!
The AS3X+ is a game changer over the AS3X. I tend to prefer using a hobby eagle a3s4 to assist with additional gyro needs but this I am going to need to try out.
Sorry for the confusion. I added 10 minutes ago a workflow where i favorite to use the spoken flightmodes (also) for the F-Mode Settings for the FM Channel. To not distribute "critical false Information" i deleted my comment, as you commented that those are not corresponding - and primary for "flying" Flight-Modes. May its better to discuss in discord, but i took a short look (after now self confused) into the nx8+ manual pdf, and there is on page 15 : "For example, if your airplane has flaps, retracts, and SAFE: On a single switch you may configure one flight mode for takeoff which adds a small amount of flaps with the gear down and SAFE activated in one switch position, a second flight mode for normal flight with flaps and gear up and SAFE off on a second switch position, and a third flight mode for landing with flaps fully deployed, retracts down and SAFE activated on a third switch position. By putting all of these features on one flight mode switch, you don’t have to work separate flaps, gear and SAFE switches during the flight." In my understanding - its not complete wrong to assign the F-Mode "Switch" as the FM-Channel for the forward programmed / Flight Modes. If iam complete wrong, it would great to get a feedback. Thank you for your great AS3X+ summary.
Awesomeness as usual. I’ll hop to discord as well for further info regarding previous FW F16 TBR setup and updating Reciever and how it may require additional changes in radio? Or is it as simple as update, re configure in forward programming and done? I’ma still learning and hopefully I won’t get spun. Thanks again for the content maestro.
The FW F-16 will be using your own open-stock receiver, so all you need to do is update it and follow the initial setup info in the vid - then program in throttle-based gains if you want to see what bliss is like in model jets lol Hop on Discord for follow-up comments!
Hi Jon… excellent instructional video. Thank you. Does the 8 channel AS3X+ receiver have multiple gyros, or is it only the 10 channel receiver that has this feature?
Only the AR10360T has multiple gyros. You CAN trick the receiver into kinda-sorta acting like it has multiple gyros but it's a crappy workaround that's nowhere near as precise as having the multi-gyro setup with independent gains/channels/etc.
Thanks for putting this up. Super helpful. Does relearn servo settings work on a 637? I’m trying to get the stabilisation to work on full span ailerons on my Super Timber (after your video I got it as soon as I could in the uk) but it isn’t working as I anticipated from this video. Wondering if it’s a limit of the 637? PS your explanation of Priority is brilliant.
Relearn Servo Settings is part of the coding of Forward Programming, so it works on any receiver that's got a gyro in it and is modern - e.g. AR630, 631, 637T(A), 8360T, 10360T, etc. Definitely hop on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord and show a video of what you're doing in #tech-and-setup
@@TwoBrosRC thanks. On watching the video for the 5th time it clicked. I was going to relearn servo when I should have gone to the aux wizard. It was all there when I had been through and found how not to do it, I understood the error of my ways. Thanks for everything you put up. Liking the look of the ec1500. I do like a cargo plane doing 3D. Horizon and others keep the planes heading your way. You’re my preferred review of planes. Now Horizon, where’s the 90mm viper with thrust vectoring?
I've updated my ix14. Updated the Ar8360t. When I go to foward programming, it won't connect. Times out. Reciever is powered up in F22 and all surfaces work. Thoughts?
Is a mere mortal suppose to be able to do this? You fail to recommend take an old beater plane to practice on before putting it in your gasser. Going to buy the AR10360T and for a satellite RX what would you recommend? Another good video and thanks for the encouragement.
Happy to help! If you're able to buy from our links in the description, it's a huge help to keep this channel running well. Satellite receivers aren't always necessary, but for something big or complex we usually recommend this one and fly it on a few of our own aircraft: alnk.to/9moPphJ
I fly the E-flight Habu SS 50mm EDF. This plane does not have flaps. Should I setup the Throttle and gain mix as you explained in your video? Enjoyed the video. Thanks
Nah, definitely not needed on a small beginner's jet like that. It *might* help but the jet isn't capable of flying fast enough to really benefit from it.
Thanks Jon, if I'm using all 6 channels and both auxiliary channels since one is being used for reverse Thust. How do you get adjustable gyro gains ? Will the (+) update give me more Aux channels?? ?
Adjustable gains should be covered in the initial setup section and in the throttle-based gains section. Updating your radio (assuming it's a NX(6/8/10) or IX14) will get you at least 14 channels, with most radios being upgraded to 20 channels.
O.K. This is pretty good information for when you are flying airplanes and / or jets, However, is it possible for you to discuss all the aspects of forward programming setup as they would pertain to helicopters. On some models such as the 330s and/or 360 Smart some features of the FC6250HX Flight Controller are not accessible. Can you discuss why. Purchasing the FC6250HX has these same features available to the pilot. So, can you go through the setup procedure for a factory FC6250HX when using it for either a Horizon Hobby or other Manufacturer's R.C. Helicopter. It's hard to learn about the features and benefits of an R.C. Aircraft when certain features of the flight controller have been made not accessible to the pilot from the factory. Purchasing a new FC6250HX to replace a good working FC6250HX for the only reason of having total access to the FC6250HX Flight Controller does not seem reasonable to me unless it can be applied to another aircraft.
The initial Gain Channel Select looks different from the Gain Channel Select when you return to it if you want to make a change. No one's been able to explain that yet. Do you have any insight into this?
We'd need to see a photo or a short video to understand what you're getting at here, but neither can be posted to YT comment sections - hence why we usually ask people to join Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord
@@TwoBrosRC Sorry, wrong spot, I meant 14:11 where you say "gain channel select". It seems that the initial setup gain channel select and returning to gain channel select have a different look. Right at 4:53 it says gain channel select, then on 14:11 you said gain channel select again. In my situation I just reset my receiver and started over to get that 4:53 screen.
I'm kidding, but for now I need something not too complicated, and while everything works perfectly (a good recommendation for a spectrum), I don't want to put extra money into the hobby.
Horizon was kind enough to send us a NX8+ so we can make some content on how to create our style of gyro setup/aircraft setup using NX radios. But that'll be a while from now - Jon is kinda burnt out from a 30 hour job on this video.
@@TwoBrosRCI think, my next radio will be a nx8, but thanks to this video at least I understood the gains etc, before that I was using presets from HH trying to choose them to more or less fit my plane (size, type etc.) Greetings!
@@TwoBrosRC In conclusion, I am absolutely a fan of Gyro and new technology, this video is a great instructional video and will definitely use these tricks in the future!
8/18/2024 1st view. I'm sure I will be watching this for years to come. This post is to plot my progress. So far I understand very little. And I don't even know if this applies to AR630/AR631.
@@TwoBrosRC that confirms what my rather knowledgeable friend says. I sent him a link to the video. But he said he already watched it, and that's how come he knew the update was available. Lol I really appreciate the time and effort that you put into this video. These things don't make themselves!
What’s the point of making a receiver 20 channels if it doesn’t have 20 ports on it? Similarity, what’s the point of the “”+” software upgrade on your transmitter if you are not about to run out and spend $$$$$ on a 20 channel receiver, or don’t need more than 10 or 12 channels, or are not rich enough to be able to afford an aircraft sophisticated enough to need 20 channels?
Receivers can see more than physical servo channels. You can assign adjustable gain channels for any axis in SAFE/AS3X. If you set channels for adjustable gains with all axes in both modes, you have 5 channels being used there. 6 if you're counting the Flight Mode channel. On a 10ch receiver, that's 16 channels utilized. Setting adjustable gains for stop lock rate, stop release rate, and heading gains can easily get you to 20. It's not as straight forward as "what's the point of this if I can't use 20 servos"
FrSKY Archer Plus SR10+ it’s only about $50 bucks and with an open source radio you can do all of this with it and more! There is a serious learning curve though. Programming is not nearly as intuitive as Spentrum forward programming but the mixing options are seriously endless with 2 separate gyro systems and a maximum of 24 channels.
@@christopherrogers7572yeah as someone who has both spektrum and frsky sr10+ the new updates from spektrum kinda kick butt! I’ve bugged all the RU-vid frsky gurus and their tech support about adjustable throttle based gains on frsky IN FLIGHT and they still go😮 what..? And with spektrum opening up hidden channels finally they are retaining flyers like myself who have been following Jon since day one. I think frsky transmitters feel and handle like high quality but, they just need to step up their use envelopes and growth with modern flyers .
Bonjour de France Grâce à vous je commence à avoir des explications sur l’AS3X+ , je suis obligé de passer par un traducteur mais ça va. Dommage que je ne puisse pas vous rejoindre sur Discord (à cause de la langue) J’ai une NX10 que j’ai mise à jour pour avoir les 20 voies , et trois avions, un Super Décathlon 55 OMP avec un AR631t, un Bushmaster 65 OMP avec un AR637t et un Edge 540t 61 Skywing avec un AR10360t ( pas d’avions Eflite 😱) je pense que l’on peut mettre à jour ces 3 récepteurs. Pensez vous que vous pourriez faire une vidéo sur l’un de ces 3 avions avec la programmation AS3X+. Merci J’adore vies vidéos.
That's right. A gyro doesn't know where the trees are, and it doesn't know what the critical angle of attack is either. That's why you still need skill to fly.
@@TwoBrosRC this may be the most informative RC video of all time honestly! There’s great information in here whether you go PLUS or NOT. But yes, perfect walk through, I think you covered all the bases well. I for one love the technical aspect of our hobby, I enjoy a good technical challenge, but I can see the flip side as well, where it could be frustrating if you don’t possess certain technical skills already. That being said, why not learn! Great vid as always Jon. Thanks!
@@TwoBrosRC sorry to say this but uh short on money like a lot all I bouoght was a basic 6 channel receiver and DX6e combo but finishing my diy build today. Also first plane ever but I have lots of engineering experience in civil and many hours in DCS and FSX and even Kerbal space program. Is there a way to integrate an open source FCS into this basic 6 channel setup down the road? Thanks for responding btw :D
@@MrSomethingdark Maybe get yourself a Reflex. They come in some of the PNP airplanes and you can get off of Ebay and Amazon. With skill they can be adjusted or select the plane profile the suited the airframe.
