Understanding Dogen 

There's that too!

I’ve only read bendowa… but that seems pretty accurate to his philosophy. And really what else is there to say but “go do the work”

Thanks!

I've never read DUNE. I saw the David Lynch movie version. I still haven't seen the more recent DUNE movie.

@@HardcoreZen Lynch's DUNE is bonkers, the new movie is better but still not even close to the book. I bet you got quite the stack already, but it's quite possibly the greatest sci-fi novel ever they say! I've heard you mention Roger Zelazney before. He was good friends with Herbert apparently. Have you read any of his books outside of Lord of Light or his overtly Buddhist books? Oh and just as an example for some of Frank's writings, this is in the DUNE series: “Church and State, scientific reason and faith, the individual and his community, even progress and tradition - all of these can be reconciled in the teachings of Muad'Dib. He taught us that there exists no intransigent opposites except in the beliefs of men. Anyone can rip aside the veil of Time. You can discover the future in the past or in your own imagination. Doing this, you win back your consciousness in your inner being. You know then that the universe is a coherent whole and you are indivisible from it.” “The Universe is God's. It is one thing, a wholeness against which all separations may be identified. Transient life, even the self-aware and reasoning life which we call sentient, holds only fragile trusteeship on any portion of the wholeness.”

@@WorldCrafterPrime Thanks again. Actually, I've never read anything by Zalazney. I've been meaning to read Lord of Light, but I still haven't. Nice quote from DUNE.

@@HardcoreZen No no, thank you! Have a great day!

@@HardcoreZen “Never read Dune?” 🙀 Shocked Pikachu face

Thanks! It's a late 90's Japanese reproduction of a flowered Strat that Fender made in the 60's.

I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.

I'm sorry!

"don't ask how I know that." You mean...dont ask IF I know that.

Thank you! I'm glad somebody has read those books!

My take: there is no "higher", but the body and perceptions (as a unity) together are more important than "philosophy". There's little need for "philosophy" in Zen, but it does help to integrate the experience of living and to understand what is happening. Philosophy has a role, but it doesn't transcend. Source - just a guy on RU-vid,

The only place I know of is in Nishijima Roshi's "Understanding Shobogenzo" (PDF linked above). In that pamphlet he gives detailed notes related to every chapter of Shobogenzo and how they relate to the SOAR system. Also my three Dogen books (noted in the video) go into it to some extent. How much more do you want?

That should be enough. I have "Three Philosophies and One Reality" and picked a random Shobogenzo chapter to see if I could apply Roshi's interpretation. I probably need to try a few more.

I don't see any evidence of that.

Read some Dogen, then we can talk.

@@HardcoreZen will do, and when I’m done reading Dogen, and you’re done reading Aristotle, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche, Heidegger and Wittgenstein, we can chat. Or… we can do away with the pretentious and just admit when we don’t understand something and make good faith efforts to learn from others, and other traditions, rather than dismissing the entire western philosophical history and its advances in understanding the relation of language to thought and reality.