Understanding the War in Ukraine (5) - Russia 

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Hello i'm from Finland and this Alexander Stubb guy is a fraud. Sold Finland to globalists.

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Not allowing dissenting voices or opinions sounds pretty wrong to me. Two heads are very often better than one. The absolute power quote comes to mind rather quickly too. It seems like it's not just different, they have a lot of corruption.

When something is diferent you know it , and there isn't real competition ! Likely the competition is about the same comodities , and when you are the same you are jelows !

What annoys me is that these historians read their books and talk of 'Russians' having all these complexities and history when, really, it is just the few narcissistic ideological people who have the power at the top that perpetuate these corrupt schemes. Is it fair that when we talk of 'Russians' we are only talking about this minority? In authoritarian countries, there is the biggest disconnect between the leaders and the populace. Putin does not represent Russians, he just rules them. The masses are influenced by how they are treated by the leadership system, not the country's factual history. Listening to a lot of youngsters on YT, many of them do not even seem very aware what it was like during USSR times; unsurprisingly it seems their parents have not wanted to tell them much. Perhaps this is just an artifact of naive Russian YTers. Recently, the babushkas have panic bought sugar, and these young Russians are just looking on and thinking they are nuts. Absolutely right though that many in the west keep calling Putin mad when it is simply that they do not understand his game. The manner in which the western leaders communicate when talking of Putin often appears pitiful to me and I only hope they know better than I. He is a very intelligent man, a psychopath and skillful actor, and I can only guess at the contempt he has for them, not so much for their decisions, but for what he sees as their 'unprofessional' behavior and inability or unwillingness to play his game. Who knows, a little intellectual gaming may give him the respect he needs to rediscover a little humanity. Maybe not. I certainly hope Prof Stubb's conclusion to this video is correct.

Google those man!

@@annarasmus8737 I tried :( couldnt find

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It stinks here and there.

We wish to get it in the heads of the politicians

He is not a professor. He is a CIA plant and a shill, twists things, and would turn Finland into a USA vassal state in a heartbeat.

surprisingly same is said of Mexico.... afaik mexico doesnt have oil but brazil has even that. But who are we to decide? western people are indoctrinated to only value fast, shiny, expensive material things, not even education unless it costs your lifetime savings like in US. I agree it is weird people in brazil especially cities live in starvation while they export dirt cheap meat to europe in huge amounts.

Their elite are. The people in both are expected to go to hell in handcarts.

Moscow and St. Petersburg are modern cities with luxury items by companies around the world. Few hundred kilometers away.... You go back 50 to 70 years in time. Further off it's rural like you wouldn't believe.

@@djnorth2020 cогласен

russians were "farting through silk" and that is the reason why war happened. they lost their mind of all the profit they made during last two decades.

@@annarock8966 uumm... ok

@@annarock8966 Would you care to be more specific please? What do you mean by "west"? The West is not one single, monolithic unit.

I like the closing comments on Russia being 20 now 40 years behind. It does seem like that and also with the USA feels like it's 10 to 20 years behind.

Communist Mafia Party of China ...

The communists whants to hit Western world and (Europeans) But they will never never get it right.. History repeats it

Mentioned (or hinted at) in the context of the heritage from the Mongols.

Interesting parallels to Mexican society- racked with revolution & corruption, people rush for stability where & from who they can find it - in the moment.

Finland especially has very good knowledge of Russia. Not exactly the same as Eastern Europe since they were not fully occupied by Russia and/or USSR but still very valuable.

You won't understand Russia watching Finnish lectures. I am Russian myself. Up to 13:20 everything the guy said was reasonable. That's the part where he referenced Kari. Seems like that Kari actually knows Russia to some extent. Even though judging from Karis lecture he views Russia as an enemy but at least he tries to understand his enemy. He is extremely biased but at least he did his research. And after 13:20 the guy starts to make completely wrong conclusions. If you want to understand someone just watch their analysts or lecturers. Recently I have watched some Indians on RU-vid and I have got a very deep insight on Chinese-Indian territorial disputes from Indian perspective. If you came to learn European perspective on Russia, you came to the right place. If you came to learn Russian perspective this place is horrible. It is as practical as learning about USSR from USA during Cold War or learning about USA from USSR. And btw neither Finland nor Eastern Europe understand Russia better than US or Western Europe. They are just even more biased.

@@neverknowsbest2879 So at the end this gentleman is respectfully saying same old narrative: Russia is a backward country with authoritarian leader and suppressed population. He ruined his otherwise great presentation by this conclusion. In the context of Russia-Ukraine war not a single word about US and UK role in Ukraine political disarray since 2014 that led the country into civil war and Russia's strategic interests seeing NATO aggressive expansion as existential threat.

@@neverknowsbest2879 There is a difference between understanding Russian people and their system. Which are two things which seem to be in quite a harsh contrast but after some thinking it makes sense. To be invaded by Russia (or USSR) provides some experience which Western Europe and the US lacks. Eastern Europe does not, unfortunately. Still I would not underestimate the view from outside. Might be more precise than self evaluation.

@@neverknowsbest2879 yeah..we in Eastern Europe are really biased. You know what made us biased? Having Russians as neighbours for centuries, having Russian tanks on our streets, having our families raped by Russian soldiers, having parts of our families deported in Siberia.

His subscription count has gone up something like tenfold.

Perun.....what a game! (Genius)

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@@shiroyashaz Russians killed him. Saw something he wasn't supposed to

Thanks. I wondered about that one when it started appearing in my feed.

Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.

​@@TurreTuntematon Yeah, and the best of both worlds can also be: those who can teach teach, those who can do do. Never knew what he did (I'm not from a Nordic country, neither interested in EU policy) as a politician. But he surely teaches interesting stuff. And he does it well. Other than that, I think being a Finn, as Mr Stubb, is a real plus for having a deep (neutral? ^^) insight when it comes to this war.

@@mouluc9969 Not neutral, of course! Since the occupation 1714-21, Finns aren't able to have a "neutral" view of Russia.

There is actually a pinned post with the English version.

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Such clarity. Watched Lecture 1, 2 , 3, 4. Thank you

You are certainly right here! There are two kinds of Russians who do understand Westerners better than the other. One kind is the "businessmen" (sometimes mafioso), the other kind is the intelligence agencies, particularly the contraspionage, which is Putin's background. But even *_their_* understanding is rather limited and skewed by their Russian worldview. For instance, it's often repeated that Putin doesn't "get" democracy. People like him literally *_believes_* there must be corruption and coercion behind popular movements like e.g. in Ukraine 2014. And when that's your conviction, then that's what you'll see.

By default nobody has an "extreme suspicion". This is something they learn by interaction and what they gain as experience. They guy was trying to be neutral although his wish to see youngsters thinking in the 'right' (from his point of view) way shows that his is a bit engaged and knows what is better for Russians. And as a general comment - he is wrong about general mentality of Russians (meaning citizens of the RF, not just ethnical Russians). Russians are very sensitive to hypocricy and manipulations and do not tolerate it on any level (of course all people around the World are absolutely the same with the same percentage of any kind of personalities, Russia has them as much as others). EU/US are sanctioning RU oligarchs, what Russians say - EU/US are miserable hypocritical creatures who do not follow their own laws and promises. Nobody cares about oligarchs' wealth, but all remember US/EU behaviour. EU/US have stolen Russian cash reserves - you may guess that learning experience is the same. Such examples accumulated during a certain period of time make people suspicious against so-called 'collective West'. What is funny, Russians mentally allow 'collective East' to be cheaters and liars 'by their nature'. Such a statement moves us to a conclusion that mentally Russians want to be a part of 'collective West' but idealisation of it and high expectations about fairness and openness of it, in turn, create a lot of frustration when they see the reality. In other words, Russians always point on painful areas of western society and arguing like 'when you become ideal, you may advise what myself should do in my home, until when go and continue cleaning your own bullshit'. And it is not because they hate western world but because they wish to see a bacon of ideal to which they want to strive.

@@igorseaman1105 sensitive to what? Hypocricy and manipulation??? Talking like Russia has never been under manipulative and hypocrite leaders. 🤡🤡

@@habibilee4607 This is just a thought of you which is not 100% clear. Do you have any example or could you clarify your comment? If you really want to know, of course, and your comment is not just a rhetoric cancellation of all Russian.

@@igorseaman1105Igor,thank you for taking the time to reply to me, my comment was written in the spirit of trying to work out something approaching a truth that I could understand. So I am glad to have your opinion. I am in my eighties, have never had the opportunity to visit Russia,so I have often been puzzled by what has happened between between Russia and the West. Politicians are politicians no matter what country they are in. The average citizen in the West knows that politicians play with the truth. We too are often disgusted with our own elites of the political world and that of big business. It takes a lot of citizen power to change things but now and again we do effect change. We do know that any state has a tendency to have secrets that the public are not privy to and it is only when the rights of the individual are not respected and laws bent that citizens get very excited. Don’t think for an instant that the people of the West necessarily go along with what they are told.. there has been much condemnation for instance of very wealthy Russians buying their way into society, when we too believed Western banking was getting fat on doing business with people who had in some cases stolen this money from the Russian people. That is the thing about money it has no loyalty to anyone. So thank you for your reply……this is what we all need…. Talk!

@@igorseaman1105 полностью согласен с вашим оппонентом.( Igor ) Спросить у меня можете Я нахожусь внутри событий Возможно смогу вам кое что разъяснить

I agree! What are the books Bill Lavery recommended?

I'm another one interested to know the titles of those 6 books.

tän videon vois suomalaisittain lyhentää yhteen todellisuuttahivelevään hokemaan, jonka valtaosa suomalaisista ymmärtää: ryssä on ryssä, vaikka voissa paistaisi..

Thank you. It is terrific 1/ reference to 6 layers and 2/ reference to lecture by Martti J. Kari

Я смогу предоставить списки книг по истории России Лев Толстой Достоевский

Actually he is a CIA shill. Most pathologicals are fairly good at impression management, however.

their won't be one as this guy is appointed by USA to say what he says.

@@galimbertino4939 I know!!! Still it would be interesting to see what he would say about USA history and plans for the future.

@@dragon2695 libéral trans-Atlantique plans, check out the videos before the war. Always good to check the subjects they trente-deux before, so you know who they are and what they want

I would say, that yes, this whole war is a cover up, but not only of Russian failings, but the world's failings. During the pandemic trillions and trillions of dollars and euros (and yens for that matter) were "printed" by the USA, EU and other developed countries. The inflation that would be caused by these actions seemed not to worry anyone. Now I see why. They knew they would not be held accountable for the economic crisis their actions would cause because there would be someone to blame. Now we see that there is Russia. It has become a scapegoat for all the economic problems in all the countries (USA, Germany, China, Japan, etc.). Just check the headlines. I am not on the conspiracy theories' side but it all seems too convenient and too big of a coincidence.

@@slavaefremov473 sorry, that is a barely covered excuse for the Russian regime and its atrocities.

​@@anniebooo in what place was it an excuse? I just shared with you a piece of my thinking when trying to figure out what is going on. You can take it into consideration or discard completely, totally up to you.

He was the prime minister of Finland, not its president. These are two different offices.

American politics have sunk so low that mere presence of intelligence is enough to get a vote for President 😂

Certainly not, otherwise we would be at war. This is a warmonger paid by USA to say what he say.

I fear he is seen as too much of a representative of the Frugal North, too close to Schäuble.

Вступление в НАТО для Швеции Финляндии Будет означать для них Не защиту А новые большие проблемы

@@user-vl5qh7zq6z could you take your words in English, to understand

@@pen7759 RU-vid has the ability to automatically translate In order to use it , you need to go back to the original page in the upper right corner to find the desired message and click the Translate button under it ........Oddly enough, Europeans do not know how to use self-translation Unlike Hindus Chinese and others

@@pen7759 he said joining NATO will bring huge problems instead of security for Sweden and Finland

he is dolboeb

As a Russian, I think most of the critical conflicts come from the government institutions (by that I pretty much mean the culture within the state), not from social differences. The regimes changed, the habits within the regimes remained pretty much the same. Russia definitely needs to create its own way of governance and offer it to the world, but it should come out as a result of internal self-reflection and another bloody period. Unfortunately, it is just a wishful thinking and I don't think there would be an outcome with Russia still existing. The only structured opposition nowadays is busy hating the rest of Russians for being too passive and calling for mass punishment of ordinary citizens, so they won't be welcomed. The establishment is busy selling as many of available assets as they can to maintain the illusion of strength among the populace and beat (or eventually bomb) into a pulp any citizens who aren't convinced. Eventually, the only thing to sell would be the country itself, in exchange of peaceful and wealthy lives for them and their families. Russia would be no more.

@@Invizive I can see your point. Do you think there are ways to live side-by-side together in an understanding way? Or is it best to close borders? The difference in vision seems too far stretched, right?

@@henkdevries5042 depends on what you mean by "closed borders" - we already needed visas to get anywhere in the West besides South America. Business and scientific cooperation was already happening, it's just that most of Russians within those spheres prefer to migrate to avoid dealing with the state and rampant racketeering by police and FSB. Russians were attempting to offer also cultural products, but besides t.A.T.u. in 00s there were not many successes - again, the state with its gerontocracy and late Soviet ways of regulating artists kicked in as soon as something good happened in that sphere. The overwhelming majority of ordinary Russians integrate seamlessly as migrants in the West, the loud ones are just attracted to the image of strong Russia the state-owned media transmitted abroad, combined with the deeper feeling of doubt about such a huge life decision as migration. There is a way to live side-by-side, if the institutions were rebuilt by anyone actually loving Russia and its people, without giving up Russian identity. The major thing that should be changed for cooperation is that Russia needs to offer its people's ideas to the world, not try to enforce a state-warped concept of them. That's it.

@@Invizive okay. Clear. The news shows that many people from Russia are fleeing to Turkey, Israel, Finland and likely more places. Is that something possible still? I am curious because people are now limited in their options and news gathering unless you get a VPN or proxy working. I live in a country not born in, always thought that your achievements would be gone like pension, savings, contacts, etc. Not knowing after the move I was mistaken: have much more openings in my new destination, it looked like fear for unknown and not well informed kept me. Wish I did this when young. I am not proud of the country where I was born, so easy to leave. Not sure what your balance of push and pull is to leave (if you still can)?

@@henkdevries5042 I study and live in Finland currently, so it's not a new decision, but it's hard to see all the bridges burning. My parents will definitely be living much worse than before, but better than being potentially imprisoned for protesting and "spreading misinformation about the special operation". The family was hit repeatedly by the Soviets during their time, so the fear of staying is much stronger than the fear of unknown in all of us. You can still travel to and from Finland, it's just more stressful on the borders and it's not possible to renew your travel visa anymore. Wanted to visit Russia sometime, but doesn't seem like a wise decision anymore, with all the tensions of the Finnish border. Started buying canned food, just in case.