Understanding Time After Time

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What makes a great love song? Time After Time has been covered so many times that it's easy to forget there was an original, but before it became a cultural standard, it was a simple last-minute addition to Cyndi Lauper's debut album, She's So Unusual. Even at the time, she and her cowriter Rob Hyman knew they had something special, and they treated the process of writing this song with a level of reverence and care that comes through in every aspect of the final production, from its hauntingly simple melody to its hollow, ticking groove. It's a timeless classic that transcends its origins while remaining intrinsically tied to them. So let's talk about it!
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@12tone 3 месяца назад

Watch this video on Nebula: nebula.tv/videos/12tone-understanding-time-after-time Some additional thoughts/corrections: 1) You may have noticed the staff paper is different in this video! That's because I'm testing out a new merch item. It should be available soon, and I'll have a full announcement then, but figured I'd at least mention it here. 2) Honestly there's a lot to say about Bazilian's part specifically that wound up getting cut from this video because it didn't really serve the broader structure of the story I was telling, but I did want to give credit where it's due. He's doing a lot of subtle things throughout to the song to fill just enough space that the track never gets boring. 3) I said the bass was played on a Prophet-V, but to be a little more precise, Wittman says he wasn't exactly sure if it was a Prophet-V or another patch on the Memory Moog. He thinks it was a Prophet, though, so I went with that 'cause it was the most definitive source I could find. 4) Another interesting thing about the chorus vocals is that Lauper and Hyman start each line harmonizing in perfect 4ths and 5ths, but then near the end, that slips into 3rds, giving the final words a more colorful tone. The effect isn't huge, partly due to the blending thing I talked about, but it's there and I think it's cool.

@wyattstevens8574 3 месяца назад

So you said the progession (at least in the intro) was F G Em F, but if you replaced the second F with Am you (almost- except for the bass, that is) get the progression in Never Gonna Give You Up!

@phrankyou 3 месяца назад

Moog rhymes with rogue.

@graffic13 3 месяца назад

Please cover " hole in my heart that goes all the way to china" ... it's a great Cyndi Lauper song so so so underrated

@alexgrunde6682 3 месяца назад

Miles Davis considered this to be one of the best pop songs ever, and in his later career he almost always did a cover of it during his concerts.

@josephwest124 3 месяца назад

Well, he did record the song not long after Cyndi's version was released. It first appears on Davis's 1985 album, "You're Under Arrest" (Davis's recording sessions began in January of 1984 and ended a year later, and Cyndi's version began its chart run in late March of 1984).

@bj.bruner 3 месяца назад

Jazz elitists: Nooo pop music is trash! Miles Davis: Anyway, here's Time After Time

@dalrok 3 месяца назад

@@bj.bruner Yeah, at the time in 1985 I was at university and lived in a shared flat with a 'Jazz is the only real music' jazz elitist guy, who never listened to pop/rock music. I was bassplayer in a rock band with a great female singer and we decided to play this song. One day the singer, guitarplayer and me rehearsing it in my room and he later came in saying 'oh this crappy pop singer Cindy Lauper shamelessly copied the song from Miles Davis'. When I showed him the credits on 'You're Under Arrest' he still was 'that can't be, impossible, impossible ...'. He was totally destroyed when he learned that 'Human Nature' is a Michael Jackson song, written by Steve Porcaro. You can imagine, we made a lot of fun of him for months.

@bj.bruner 3 месяца назад

@@dalrok Haha I was like that but with rock; I wouldn't listen to anything past 2000. I've gladly changed my tune since then (pun totally intended)

@apexone5502 3 месяца назад

@@dalrok I can imagine him gripping his hair with both hands while wearing a look of devastation right before he falls to his knees and yells “NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!” while looking towards the sky. His whole world was shattered with those revelations.

@mateusbez2669 3 месяца назад

Time after time is one of the greatest pop songs ever written. I am more of an old school rock/folk guy and lots of people get surprised when I start playing this song in the middle of some Bob Dylan classics. It is one of my all time favourites. I often hear "I never thought you'd play that". Honestly, it is simply an astonishing great song.

@TheRetroBassist 3 месяца назад

20:17 "...and Hyman responds by calmly holding his line until she finds her way back. It's a really beautiful moment." Not gonna lie, this part of the analysis left me teary-eyed.

@zombieslayer1468 3 месяца назад

honey get up, 12 tone uploaded (i literally got out of bed for this)

@aeronphillips8876 3 месяца назад

SAME!!!

@oranpf 3 месяца назад

Upvoted faster than any before

@ccubsfan94 3 месяца назад

Me getting excited thinking it was gonna be Ozzy. Then realizing, oh, yeah the other one

@KnapfordMaster98 3 месяца назад

The kick drum is also the linn drum machine. afaik the whole track is purely just the linn. My personal favorite detail of this song is the very end when she hesitates finishing “time after-“ for the last repeat, with one ever so soft “time” just as the song fades to silence. Gives me chills every time, as does her theramin-like vocal outro on All Through The Night.

@EAS76 3 месяца назад

To me, this song is about thinking of that relationship that never quite works but you just are drawn to each other several times over the years. The fact that it goes IV-V-iii-IV I think is intentional cause you’re wanting it to resolve, but it just loops back to the IV, with no clear resolution but to repeat the loop again, all this is with the main voice doing the tonic at the end also wanting it to resolve but it goes back to the IV. This is Cyndi reliving those memories of that relationship that never ends fully. They keep playing in a loop. When it resolves to the I for the verses, it’s Cyndi popping into a particular memory to show how it starts out well. The phrases here are happy ones that go from the 1 to the 3 note in an uplifting phrase, like a new relationship. Then, things start to get out of sync relationship-wise. When he says, “go slow,” as an example, it changes back to that same IV-V-iii-IV phrase and the cracks show in the relationship. It gets stuck back in that loop while they go back to the tonic for the chorus to proclaim to each other they will always have a happy space (the tonic, when singing “time after time”) for each other in their hearts even though things always seem to go bad in reality. It’s what keeps the song timeless and able to be replayed, because it’s got that loop of wistful nostalgia of something you like that never resolves quite right baked into it at the beginning.

@slickjack2618 3 месяца назад

Please edit your post to get the chord progression corrected. Your post repeatedly shows an out of key Major Superdominant (aka Submediant, VI chord) while what you mean is the Subdominant (IV) chord. As your post is otherwise quite good and well written, it's a shame to have it be marred by a repeated typo in the chord progression. Please? - sj

@EAS76 3 месяца назад

@@slickjack2618 thank you for catching that.

@EAS76 3 месяца назад

Corrected, thanks @slickjack2618

@slickjack2618 3 месяца назад

@@EAS76 It's the "aged pedant" in me breaking free from the constraints I normally place around it while reading RU-vid posts. Really, your post was quite good, with insights into the lyric choices and the harmonic changes that are related to those changes in the lyrics that just seemed to cry out for a correction in the chord progressions. - sj

@EAS76 3 месяца назад

@@slickjack2618 Ha, I do that too. Too bad I forget to check my own stuff before posting.

@rneumeye 3 месяца назад

Live... Cyndi often just does this with just dulcimer. It's powerful. 😌

@PIZZAdayisback 3 месяца назад

Cyndi lauper is underrated

@DeedeeDirt 3 месяца назад

Cyndi lauper is so that girl

@sopasopasson5563 3 месяца назад

I agree ! I just saw youtube vid of studio recording of ”we are the world”. She just nails it. Amazing. She gets bored and starts improvising while some other stars are struggling with their part.

@Algo1 3 месяца назад

Money Changes Everything is a banger

@ephraimlessell 3 месяца назад

Not just musically. A musician friend introduced me to Lauper backstage at a show in Chicago around 2011. she is one of the nicest people whom I've ever met (and very modest and down to earth).

@ImYourOverlord 2 месяца назад

No. In no universe, and at no point in time, was she ever.

@atquinn1975 3 месяца назад

An absolutely incredible song fundamentally (chord changes, melody and lyrics), but what takes it over the top is the arrangement. There are hooks all over the place.

@Tehom1 3 месяца назад

"The bass is the star" That's probably because originally the bass was all there was. The story goes that Cyndi Lauper's bass player was jamming by himself, and Cyndi overheard him and joined in, and that's how the song originated. I assume it's the same bass player you mentioned; my source just says "her bass player" and not his name.

@IamJacksSTD 3 месяца назад

I like the interpretation that instead of being a song about lovers, it's a song about a parent and child. The lyrics hit different listening that way and it takes on a completely new meaning.

@EAS76 3 месяца назад

That’s the great thing about any type of art. The meaning can be personal and can even change while experiencing the same art.

@xp8969 3 месяца назад

Ivanka Trump and Ashley Biden be like: 😟😭😟

@Positive_Tea 3 месяца назад

Remember the Southpark where the kids wanted to start a Christian band so they just took love songs and made them about Jesus 😂😂😂😊

@aaaidan 3 месяца назад

Same for Dylan’s “feel my love”. I think it’s written about romantic love but it hit different after I had a child.

@deadfroginpepsican 3 месяца назад

when a song is in a major key and it avoids playing the tonic chord, it can often feel (to me) more like it's in the relative minor key, especially if it has that IV V motion and at least one minor chord.

@astromus 3 месяца назад

For some reason, when I hear Time After Time, I'm immediately reminded of Live to Tell by Madonna. (And vice versa) I hope some day 12tone has a reason to talk about that beautiful song too.

@therealshavenyak 3 месяца назад

Yes… Live to Tell is a masterpiece. I was mostly into hard rock and metal at the time, having recently started playing guitar, but would totally jam out to that song when it came on.

@theQUEENofLOSERS 3 месяца назад

I had the 12 Deadly Cyns video tape with music videos and behind the scenes and Time After Time was on there. So beautiful. Thank you for this video!

@kyuuketsukikun420 3 месяца назад

love the Black Lotus as a "starting point" great reference

@mykhedelic6471 3 месяца назад

That album is all killer no filler.

@beatrixwickson8477 3 месяца назад

I hear the kick pattern as a heartbeat. Surprised that wasn't in the symbolism of the percussion section. Maybe that's just me though.

@EAS76 3 месяца назад

I’ve always felt that way too.

@awaredeshmukh3202 3 месяца назад

Same!

@jkfecke 3 месяца назад

Bingo. It's a heartbeat riding along with the passage of time.

@mnelson56 3 месяца назад

I bought the album "She's So Unusual" when this song came out on radio and listened to this song incessantly. Thank you for this analysis!

@rneumeye 3 месяца назад

Live... Cyndi almost always goes back to one of these hauntingly poetic lines... One... "I've got a, suitcase of, memories I've, almost left behind... Time after time..." Or... Two... "You said to, go slow but, I fall behind... Time after time..."

@austinfisher1015 3 месяца назад

This song makes me cry every time thinking about the dancing scene in the Rugrats movie.

@otakubancho6655 3 месяца назад

It's one of two of her songs that break my heart,the other is True Colors.💘💘💘

@deastman2 Месяц назад

I’ve always loved this song! I was a big fan of Cyndi and also of Rob and Eric (The Hooters).

@LeonardHarris 2 месяца назад

"would this ruin the song" while drawing Scappy Doo. ROTFLMAO. Perfect.

@EndingSniper101 3 месяца назад

You should do Good Riddance(Time of Your Life) in one of your next videos!

@pedrohenriquecanciamsantar2044 3 месяца назад

I have a feeling he already did it, but im not sure

@bmac4 3 месяца назад

@@pedrohenriquecanciamsantar2044they did Boulevard of Broken Dreams awhile ago but I dont think they ever did a video about Good Riddance, unless it was either deleted or included as a section of a more general video.

@gusslx 3 месяца назад

Don't get me wrong, I like the song, but how is it worth a video? I can't name something that could stand out from it.

@EthanKristopherHartley 3 месяца назад

I have absolutely no clue about music theory, and it's a subject that doesn't *interest* me enough for even a cursory overview. But because you explain the results of the the theory (how each choice changes the "feel"), I get a better understanding of some of my favourite songs and (even though I'm already in awe of those people who have spent the time to master their art) I find myself even more impressed at the thought behind the pretty tunes. Thank you. ❤️ (Oh, and for the kick drum, I always thought it was representing a heartbeat rather than time. As you said, something so simple providing so much scope... 😉)

@slolerner7349 3 месяца назад

I would never have guessed this song is in a Major key

@billyalarie929 3 месяца назад

One of the greatest songs of all time, pop or otherwise, frankly.

@jpisac 3 месяца назад

Love the content. Love to see you break down pictures of you by the cure.

@crazyquilt 3 месяца назад

I did not expect to see Aunt Dirt at 13:12 but I agree; she is a very important addition. This song holds a special place in my heart. I was 15 when it came out, and this was _the_ song of my first true love.

@patrickwehrstein8693 3 месяца назад

whenever I hear that very sparce base drum pattern the rhythm sort of (while listening to the song) in my ears slowly morph into the feeling of a slow resting heart beat. Something about that captures to me that same described feeling of being there.

@Londonjefsomething 3 месяца назад

A new 12Tone and a new Pat Finnerty video on the same day! Merry Christmas to me!

@xp8969 3 месяца назад

Ahhh, a fellow Billy Joel purist

@ItsASleepySheepy 3 месяца назад

I first heard this song in the 2000s from a band called Quietdrive - I didn't even realize it was a cover at the time. Still an absolutely gorgeous song, definitely a testament to the value of simplicity!

@everestjarvik5502 3 месяца назад

It may tell a timeless story in a timeless way but if you look at just the timbre selection of the song it remains extremely 80s forever 😊

@cholten99 3 месяца назад

Thanks man, great breakdown. Like about a million other couples out there this is my wife's and my song.

@elliotgreen987 3 месяца назад

I'd totally buy a poster of one of the fully annotated pages you draw in your videos if you sold them!

@AubriGryphon 3 месяца назад

2:00 Did you just draw River Surges in Sunlight?! You have excellent taste in board games. 😁

@4thMG 3 месяца назад

It also happened to be her Birthday when you published this video.

@crimfan 3 месяца назад

Not sure if actually call it “simple”. There are a lot of subtle changes and little shifts, like the key ambiguity or hypermeter change. Those totally make the song but would make learning it properly quite challenging. It’s not able to be boxed out easily. An absolute gem of pop songwriting.

@Vokietis2 3 месяца назад

I always heard the intro as a double deceptive cadence: IV - V seems as if it leads to I, but no, we are heading for the minor parallel by hearing its (minor) dominant iii. But, while IV - V - iii - vi would be a perfectly sound, almost classical cadence, it gets deceptive again with iii leading to the submediant of a-minor, i.e. IV.

@jaspern.7702 3 месяца назад

I love your Nisse drawing!

@thomasbarker2888 3 месяца назад

Please do a video on a Scritti Politti song! Ideally 'Don't Work That Hard'.

@GordonPavilion 3 месяца назад

Any Scritti Politti song will do.

@thomasbarker2888 3 месяца назад

@@GordonPavilion For sure. Lots of love for the punk/postpunk early days, but the pop is where it's at for me. A breakdown of the intricate drum sequencing on either of the 1st 2 albums would be neat.

@joaog_freitas 3 месяца назад

3:27 the video got possessed

@notoriouswhitemoth 3 месяца назад

I love this song!

@randyt3558 3 месяца назад

Just watched over on Nebula. Excellent content. The song is beautiful because it's good. And simple.

@JessicaMorgani 3 месяца назад

Would love to see a reading on aespa. A relatively new kpop group that has some weird songs.

@eli0damon 3 месяца назад

Nice. I'd love to hear your thoughts on Cemetery Gates.

@hancocki 3 месяца назад

Time After Time is practically perfect as is. Any added bells and whistles would have just subtracted from it.

@ephraimlessell 3 месяца назад

The song is huge. This analysis is miniscule

@styrofoamboogie2042 3 месяца назад

good video

@gabitron420 3 месяца назад

3:14 tontu the beloved

@evolancer211 3 месяца назад

Can you give a breakdown of some technical death metal, like Necrophagist or The Faceless? I know it's not up your alley but I would love to hear the technical analysis of tech death lol

@yonatanrabin5091 3 месяца назад

Great video, for a second i though this is gonna a be about time after time of chat Baker, one of my favorites songs, but i guess this ain't bad

@theburntginger 3 месяца назад

I just learned something new about Tina Belcher

@tubes-lut 3 месяца назад

Triple one do the most amazing cover.

@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 3 месяца назад

Now do the other Time after Time, the one by Sammy Cahn and Jule Styne.

@macsnafu 3 месяца назад

Lauds the simplicity of the song, then proceeds to explain why it's not so simple. Elephants all the way down!

@Dayglodaydreams 3 месяца назад

Why does the Motorik beat sound new wave?

@gustavofinkler1229 3 месяца назад

Hey 12tone! How about Time after Time by Dr. Sin? It's a brazilian power trio you might like :)

@OrlovKruskayev 3 месяца назад

This is not what I expected from Time after time

@willhutton1516 3 месяца назад

You would love the musicality of Steven Universe. It’s honestly beautiful music.

@KitagumaIgen 3 месяца назад

Alcoves, alcoves is that the word you were searching for?

@whitex4652 3 месяца назад

Right. "Time after Time" is a perfect song. 👍

@s.j7423 3 месяца назад

yayyy

@JackEatsWatermelon 3 месяца назад

he should talk about fortnite festival

@JesseStephens-h3m 3 месяца назад

Hey would you consider doing a roundabout analysis I’m broke or I would donate to the patreon and all that but I’ve been a long time viewer and I feel that song would do well

@RCmonkeySty 2 месяца назад

Do Hey! Arnold.

@Pablo360able 2 месяца назад

Sure. I still can't stand this track to be honest; the phrasing in the chorus just grates at me in a way I can't get past.

@springbloom5940 3 месяца назад

80s overproduce? Compared to what???

@PIZZAdayisback 3 месяца назад

Er liegh

@xp8969 3 месяца назад

Lying about what?

@PIZZAdayisback 3 месяца назад

@@xp8969 phonetic spelling, this technically fits into English spelling. Er makes the sound at the start of early, Ie makes the long e sound and GH can be silent. It means early

@xp8969 3 месяца назад

@@PIZZAdayisback ahhhh, ok, lol, YT had the translate button under your comment at first and it translated your comment into "he's lying"

@PIZZAdayisback 3 месяца назад

@@xp8969 oh, that's odd

@Anakinskywalker98 10 дней назад

I hated this stupid song… it was middle school band and being in the low brass section fucking sucked for this part of an 80s melody

@ephraimlessell 3 месяца назад

This is a relatively uninformative video that repeatedly uses music theory lingo that most people, including me, don't know. Just maybe "this guy" should have defined a couple of those terms?

@jhv0 3 месяца назад

The cabasa sample always sounded like a ticking stopwatch to me(as you mentioned, too fast to be a clock). Listen to that intro, and then listen to, say, the intro to the 60 Minutes tv show and you'll hear what I mean.

@rneumeye 3 месяца назад

YES! 🙆🏻‍♂️⏱️

@TDawgBR 3 месяца назад

And now I kind of want "True Colors" as a follow up.

@pjgoldstein6562 3 месяца назад

It's an amazing song, but I get the feeling there's less to say about True Colors. A lot of it in my mind is bombastic vocals.

@fnjesusfreak 3 месяца назад

@@pjgoldstein6562 Bombastic? They almost collapse into themselves.

@austinpeterson4898 Месяц назад

I kinda want “Take my breath away” by Berlin as well.

@PressRecord777 3 месяца назад

19:49 _"...which makes them feel less like a single person and more like a conversation"_ (draws Gollum). No, stop... I can't breathe.... 😂😂😂😂

@Packbat 3 месяца назад

The bit where that initial chord progression doesn't feel like F is so fascinating. I wonder if another thing that helps that is the B-natural taking the progression out of F Ionian.

@bonecanoe86 3 месяца назад

I think about my parents when I hear this song. They were married for 45 years until my father died of cancer in April, and now the song has a whole new meaning to me.

@saggygnaw 3 месяца назад

Sorry for your loss. My condolences to your Mom.

@chrishenderson9130 3 месяца назад

Sorry for your loss

@donaldmilne5352 3 месяца назад

Even back in my metal and prog focused youth (I still listen to that stuff, but I listen to other things too now) I knew this was qite special, but I did always secretly enjoy a really good piece of pop too, and this is one of the finest.

@lp-xl9ld 3 месяца назад

I never really gave this song much thought concerning its content and construction. But that's what I love about this channel: it makes me see even familiar music in a different way, and that's always good

@matthewvreeke9872 3 месяца назад

Can you do an analysis of Kashmir by Led Zeppelin?

@PartTimeBuddhist 3 месяца назад

Seeing him represent "another thing we haven't seen in this context" with the drawing of a water bear prompted me to go on Google and stare at random photos of water bears for ten minutes. This might seem obvious, but they're not actually bears. Nature is pretty weird sometimes. Oh, and great analysis of "Time After Time."

@tulliusexmisc2191 2 месяца назад

I honestly cannot think of anything better than that tardigrade to illustrate the idea of something we've never seen before in this context.

@MartijnHover 3 месяца назад

If Miles Davis covers your song, it must be good...

@Petch85 3 месяца назад

Even as a kid I new this song was special. It feels like we don't get songs like this anymore. But the truth is that songs as good as this are rare and on average there are only a few every year. Thanks for sharing a new prospective of this song with me. ❤

@leaharrington4472 3 месяца назад

I had to stop and laugh for a second because the isolated harmony vocal line sounded like Jimmy Fallon's rock dude impersonation 😅

@bhavs26 3 месяца назад

Please do 1979 by Smashing Pumpkins

@bj.bruner 3 месяца назад

Anyone else think of Napoleon Dynamite with this song?

@DougSalad 3 месяца назад

This is one of those songs i heard way too much as a kid and got annoyed by. Then i started choosing my own music and didnt hear it for a few years until finally in my late teens i heard it again and realized "oh wait, this was always good. This is something really special, even."

@cravensean 3 месяца назад

Valid criticism is valid because it is executed as art. After watching your posts on and off over the past few years, it struck me to subscribe. Thanks.

@dmottolo 3 месяца назад

She wrote a memoir, and the cover is a pic of her as a young, bratty-looking teenager. So deceptive because my gut reaction was "what does this kid have to teach me?", but after reading it learned that, like this song, there is a lot of substance to her.

@thejason189 3 месяца назад

Love your videos dude. Ok, but something just hit me and maybe I just haven't been around here long enough. How are you recording the drawing? In your intro you are writing right handed. It appears you are writing left handed in the narrative. But, you are writing words from end to start? WTF IS GOING ON!!!!

@fluffysheap 3 месяца назад

I don't know for sure but I suspect the pen is just a prop and all the drawings are done digitally

@Schmidtelpunkt Месяц назад

@@fluffysheap The paper moves while drawing.

@RanterInShades 3 месяца назад

It was always so weird to me that this song and Girls Just Want to Have Fun were by the same person and came from the same album.

@maurobraunstein9497 3 месяца назад

"There's not much voice leading and the chord functions don't make a lot of sense." Yes, there's not much voice leading, but the chord functions are COMPLETELY standard. This is the back half of a circle of fifths progression, IV - viio - iii - vi - ii - V - I, except the viio has been turned into a V, which is basically the same chord, just with a different sound, and the vi has been turned into a IV, which is extremely common as well. IV - V - iii - vi is also the Traditional 80's Intro -- see Never Gonna Give You Up for the most obvious example. Changing the vi into a IV doesn't change this very much. It's also not hiding the key. The F, G, and Em triads together make up the entire C major scale and, in that order, are very characteristic of major-mode music, and that particular combination of functions doesn't make sense in A minor (the Em would have been an E7 in this progression, but even then I think it would sound like a V7/vi in C more than a V7 in Am). This is standard run-of-the-mill C major with no tricks.

@ElvesvsShinyRocks 26 дней назад

Trying to decide between listening too Time After Time on my good headphones and... Not Doing That because I need to be functional later today.

@maggus999 Месяц назад

Very interesting video! How much/often do you think artists actually put this much deliberate thought into it, vs it being an organic or subconscious thing in the creative process?