context for this video (copied from 26 geri in one of the replies) "A company by the name of Materia Music manages the copyrights of the music from Undertale, and they tried to copyright strike the fan game Undertale Yellow for using some of Undertale's lemotifs and remixed songs, even tho the fan game is published entirely for free. This backfired when, unsurprisingly, Toby Fox sided with the Undertale Yellow team and agreed that what Sebastian Wolff had done (the CEO of Materia Music) was extremely scummy and allowed the Undertale Yellow team to keep their fan game published. By the way, if you haven't played Undertale Yellow, I strongly recommend doing so. It's in my opinion the best Undertale fan game out there, and it just released a month ago." bruh this video has been stagnant at like 10k views for the like the last week and now we’re at 50k??? is this the twitter crowd rolling in..
Imagine how embarrassing it must be for your career to have your highest profile client call you "Unprofessional" and spend 20k out of his own pocket to fix your mistake. That's gonna be a stain going forward.
This guy is in charge of one of the biggest fanbases in the world's audio, and yet he makes an absolute fool of himself to millions, causing his client to spend thousands to correct his mistake.
imagine less than .5% of the biggest indie fandom in the world (which you are an important part of because you work with the creator) not knowing who you are, then one day, you make almost all of them hate you and think you're an idiot
This is literally the shit Flowey tried to pull with his whole “if you somehow win, I guess I’ll break the barrier lol” rant three seconds before the Asriel sequence My man has become an actual video game villain
And his last name is Wolf. Toby Fox vs Sebastian Wolf, it's incredibly impressive how funny this is in retrospect. Glad it's over tho, hoping it's no longer an issue (and if it is at least we have a more recent example of Toby defending the fandom from Stupid Wolf- wait Stupid Wolf vs Annoying Dog XD)
This whole thing was the lamest flex I've ever seen. He's acting like the evil underling of a good king, using his position to abuse those 'beneath' him. This is the kind of character who later ends up stabbing his master in the back at the behest of the true antagonist, who is promising him the king's throne in exchange.
@@SantimsAnimations Sebastian: JOKES ON YOU I DON’T CARE! Toby: Well. I didn’t wanna do this. Sebastian: Do what- Chara: Greetings… Sebastian: *AAAAAAAAA-*
Actually, this just means that Fox footed the bill. The 20k is actually 10k from Fox, and another 10k from Fox that Wolff was supposed to pay, but didn't@@c0rrvpt3d19
What hurts most is the music in UTY is so good I saw it as an homage of sorts to og UT, hoping in some way they could help with Toby's future endeavors. Then this guy comes out of the broom closet to yap about the music
> If well-meaning fans have made a mistake, it should be our job to help them make it right > We should be supporting the love and passion of our fans Today, Toberticus Foxulus was based and reasonable.
What does he gain from copyrighting UTY anyway? He doesn't even own the original game If he's any smarter he would've known how much people love UTY, they would be on his throat for a while lmao. And thanks to Toby, He had no chance of recovering from his stupid little game.
@@isaacbatgamer9958 I could be wrong, but technically if the UTY team is gaining money from people streaming their music (it's likely 1 cent every 10 listens or something), that could possibly be rightfully Toby Fox's? if he were to go after copyright, i mean. but yeah it would be such a net loss in money that it legit doesnt make sense.
@@evorathesylvurrToby Fox wouldn’t do that though as his career started with him making fan games, and since earthbound is owned by Nintendo I’m sure he knows how it feels
Toby is a Touhou fan. Of course he'll side with the fans. Fans make a series. You work for the fans, and for your love of the fandom. It's just that a lot of the fans are a bit toxic that Undertale gets its hate, otherwise it's a pretty well put together game.
@@michaelsbasement I gave that a chance and I gave up before I could get to his Megalovania. Gave up when the baby stuff started happening. Like.... that's just... no.
bro thinks he's mr beast 💀 edit: i mean sebastian. like who decides to try and make themselves some sort of hero if they can get proof from the creator they'll get 10k, but if they don't they'll be stuck in copyright hell. like what
The fact Sebastian looks like Elon Musks long lost brother makes this shit even funnier. Both of them don't just look the same they act the same way too!💀
If only the rest of the gaming industry saw things the same way, instead of comparing modding to terrorism and purging everything that so much as breathes on their property.
I have to imagine Sebastian is just some man child who was in the undertale fandom at the peak of it's toxicity and is still salty about it. I seriously can't imagine any other reason you would want to do this to some innocent fan works.
So Toby not only gets the importance of passionate fans, but also looks for ways to help them grow while staying within boundaries that don’t violate his (or others’) rights and income. Wish more people in the media industry thought and acted the way he did.
I never thought It possible for me to gain any MORE respect for Toby than I already had but damn this certainly did it Man knows how to be professional. Unlike someone else
@@jackpijjin4088 Agreed. Been boycotting Nintendo ever since the AM2R incident. Never again. Hell, maybe someday when I'm rich, I'll lobby for a retroactive change to copyright law allowing for more protections for fan works - anything that doesn't make money or profit of any kind is legally protected, and corporations can suck it. Also copyright only covers 30 years now.
i can only imagine how Sebastian mustve felt after that. hope he doesnt do that again, art isnt supposed to be about the licenses or money. it feels like toby knows that and is only stepping in to prevent another sebastian incident
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@@Stillbraixenthohe is an honorary goat, every single goat in the game would love him and adopt him (until they found out what he did to Asriel as the writer of the story that is)
Spoilers for UTY Sebastian Wolf's reputation really got eviscerated like Asgore at the end of the Vengeance route, really pulled an "Imaginary Technique - Purple"
It's funny because Sebastian Wolff was right about the Undertale Yellow team legally not being allowed to post the UTY music to spotify but he just had to be an ass about it
I love how Toby goes out of his way to not totally run Wolf into the ground with the first sentence. If you tell 10 people YES YOU ARE ALLOWED then one of these guys turning around and saying "I am allowed" is very much what I would call "explicit permission", no need for the word technically. Also, what kind of nutjobs did this Wolf guy work with to get here? I wouldn't trust this guy flipping burgers without burning down 7 houses.
copied from 26 geri "A company by the name of Materia Music manages the copyrights of the music from Undertale, and they tried to copyright strike the fan game Undertale Yellow for using some of Undertale's leaf motives and remixed songs, even tho the fan game is published entirely for free. This backfired when, unsurprisingly, Toby Fox sided with the Undertale Yellow team and agreed that what Sebastian Wolff had done (the CEO of Materia Music) was extremely scummy and allowed the Undertale Yellow team to keep their fan game published. By the way, if you haven't played Undertale Yellow, I strongly recommend doing so. It's in my opinion the best Undertale fan game out there, and it just released a month ago."
@@YeetusSnoopyts underswap: (replying to the end saying its the best) ts underswap may not be fully done but imo its the best so far however ut yellow is up there, for me its the 2nd best.
im blind to the situation, but it seems sebastian promised to pay money directly to the dev team, toby paid it to " a charity of the dev teams choice". while generous, cant be used by the dev team and is a huge tax write off.
sebastian's promise was more of "yea ill do it when pigs fly" kind of statement, so he was never gonna pay it anyways uty is a fanwork so there should should never be direct monetary profit knowing toby's rep i highly doubt he donated purely for tax write off purposes
I mean, he wasn't wrong though? Undertale Yellow DIDN'T receive special permission in a sense. That's even what Toby Fox himself said as his very first sentence...
Technically yea, but uty did say they liscnesed through distrokid. And even all that aside, Seb going on a rant on twitter and ranting about a fanwork is a very horrid move for a ceo of a company
Toby implied permission years ago. Considering others have been posting music to Spotify for LITERAL YEARS, the situation is stupid, and Toby saying that they didn't have permission is honestly still stupid.
copied from 26 geri "A company by the name of Materia Music manages the copyrights of the music from Undertale, and they tried to copyright strike the fan game Undertale Yellow for using some of Undertale's leaf motives and remixed songs, even tho the fan game is published entirely for free. This backfired when, unsurprisingly, Toby Fox sided with the Undertale Yellow team and agreed that what Sebastian Wolff had done (the CEO of Materia Music) was extremely scummy and allowed the Undertale Yellow team to keep their fan game published. By the way, if you haven't played Undertale Yellow, I strongly recommend doing so. It's in my opinion the best Undertale fan game out there, and it just released a month ago."
A company by the name of Materia Music manages the copyrights of the music from Undertale, and they tried to copyright strike the fan game Undertale Yellow for using some of Undertale's leaf motives and remixed songs, even tho the fan game is published entirely for free. This backfired when, unsurprisingly, Toby Fox sided with the Undertale Yellow team and agreed that what Sebastian Wolff had done (the CEO of Materia Music) was extremely scummy and allowed the Undertale Yellow team to keep their fan game published. By the way, if you haven't played Undertale Yellow, I strongly recommend doing so. It's in my opinion the best Undertale fan game out there, and it just released a month ago.
The funniest thing in all this for me was all the fans that paint sebastian as some evil person, or an evil version of tobyfox, like one of those baddly writen fanfics, those type of comments are so funny, people really have some imagination.
I don't know what any of this means or why this is in my recommendations, but this Toby Fox dude seems pretty chill. I love the sentiment of appreciating and supporting your fans.
I see people taking this as Sebastian is bad, but Toby's relayed message does say that Undertale Yellow didn't have permission till recently which implies there was a period of time Yellow did not have permission and were in the wrong. Had Sebastian acted reasonably Yellow may have faced consequences which could've impacted the entire community. It is a scary situation.
Not having explicit permission =/= not allowed to do so. Which I feel like was Toby's point that it's technically true what Sebastian said about UT Yellow not having explicit permission, but he generally has no problem letting people use his music as long as they don't make money off it. (It's just that unfortunately most people choose to make legal threats if people use their content in any way even if they're not obligated to do so. Which afaik is only actually an obligation in Japan to maintain IP ownership). But he took issue with the way Sebastian handled it, and the fact that he was speaking for Toby instead of letting Toby be the one to respond to what Undertale Yellow did or didn't use. Yes you could say we're doing the same in the comments section here. But we're not acting as if we're Toby's lawyer.
copied from 26 geri "A company by the name of Materia Music manages the copyrights of the music from Undertale, and they tried to copyright strike the fan game Undertale Yellow for using some of Undertale's leaf motives and remixed songs, even tho the fan game is published entirely for free. This backfired when, unsurprisingly, Toby Fox sided with the Undertale Yellow team and agreed that what Sebastian Wolff had done (the CEO of Materia Music) was extremely scummy and allowed the Undertale Yellow team to keep their fan game published. By the way, if you haven't played Undertale Yellow, I strongly recommend doing so. It's in my opinion the best Undertale fan game out there, and it just released a month ago."
I mean, did the team ever show this "clearly defined permission"? If Materia Music owns the rights to Toby's music outright, then they can do whatever they want with it and let the whiners eat it. If Toby has signed the distribution rights to his music over, then he has no legal rights to tell Sebastian Wolff "no". Unless there is a clearly written stipulation in the contract that says "Toby has final say", then that's a breach of contract and grounds for a lawsuit. But, these are a lot of "what ifs" and "unknown unknowns" at the mo', so.
