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Universal Audio Apollo, Rupert Neve Designs RNDI, Radial J48 & ProDI Direct Box Shootout 

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Direct boxes can change your sound in terms of headroom, frequency characteristics, and transient response.This shootout compares a Universal Audio Apollo to 3 different direct boxes: a RNDI, Radial Engineering J48, and Radial ProDI.
The Apollo examples were run directly into the front Hi-Z input on the unit. The other examples were run first into the DI and then inputed into the back of the Apollo as a line input.
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@John_Kealiinohomoku
@John_Kealiinohomoku 2 года назад
Neve had nice open high end clarity, J48 overall balanced and present. Great clarity and still delivered good low end
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 2 года назад
Agreed. Thanks for the comment! 😊
@evildeebee
@evildeebee Год назад
Wow the RNDI blows them all clean out of the water.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban Год назад
It’s amazing, I use it all the time. The others do have nice color options too.
@Wheelly1
@Wheelly1 7 месяцев назад
For guitars yes. For basses, Radials are cleaner winners, especially J48. It has simply more low-end
@pz1792
@pz1792 2 месяца назад
yeah, and color the sound most. If you want to transparent capture of guitar for reamping it is pointless to use
@handsdown5x
@handsdown5x 29 дней назад
Really ??? I thought radial demolished Neve lol
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 29 дней назад
@handsdown5x if you are looking for a massive bottom, the Active Radial’s transformer adds a ton of low end.
@JonManness
@JonManness 3 года назад
Awesome demo! I preferred the Radial ProDI every time. I wish my Apollo x4 DI's had that sound!
@fredmanteghian5913
@fredmanteghian5913 Год назад
I liked the Neve up until the acoustic guitar, then I began preferring either the J48 and the Pro for many of the remaining samples. The thing I like about the Neve overall though is I think it will give me the best signal for re-amping or processing
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban Год назад
They are all great! It is difficult to select. But the colors and transient response of each is definitely different.
@terrillmel
@terrillmel 3 года назад
The RNDI is less nasally, which I prefer. Do you really want your mix to sound congested like it has a head cold? Or open like it can breathe?
@DalleyMusic
@DalleyMusic 3 года назад
I'm surprised that I prefer the J48 over the Neve RNDI every time in this demonstration and others!
@user-tp7cd4iv5o
@user-tp7cd4iv5o Месяц назад
1:36 1:44 1:53 2:02
@FilippoBuscemi93
@FilippoBuscemi93 2 года назад
hey Todd, amazing video my friend. Which one would you say its a litle bettr between the rndi and the j48 for passive pj bass and passive electric guitar ? thank you very much
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 2 года назад
Those are both good choices for passive instruments. I’d say the j48 will give you more bottom end and a bigger sound while the RNDI will be a little clearer and tighter across each frequency band. They are both excellent, so you can’t go wrong with either. I do a lot of upright bass work, and use the RNDI for that since it preserves clarity. But the j48 might be better for a more saturated Motown sound.
@QUEENKONA
@QUEENKONA 3 года назад
Nice video, Todd. Quick question - when you say they were run into the DI and then inputed into the Apollo as a line input, do you mean you had run an XLR out of the DI boxes to a TRS in the Line inputs? Thanks!
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 3 года назад
I took an XLR directly out and then into the back of the Apollo. No unison inputs were used. Now, that I think of it, I probably had it set as a mic level input since phantom powers would be needed, not line level. Good catch! 😉
@QUEENKONA
@QUEENKONA 3 года назад
@@ToddUrban I see. So Line out on the DI boxes and an XLR-XLR cable to the Apollo’s Mic in preamp? And NOT an XLR-TRS cable then huh?
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 3 года назад
Correct. But technically, XLR to TRS should produce the same result as they would both be low impedance through the entire signal flow
@MarkyGoldstein
@MarkyGoldstein 5 месяцев назад
These also sound great on synth and drum machines
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 5 месяцев назад
Absolutely. Sometimes I get lazy and forget to break them out. But when I do, I typically get a richer sound.
@philipps8150
@philipps8150 2 года назад
I got the radial Pro DI few years ago and it is really transparent. I love it. But for instruments like a bass… I don’t like it too much because it loses a lot of low end…
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 2 года назад
Hmm. I could see that, but I didn't mind too much using it on upright since it was so open sounding. The J48 or RNDI are both excellent on bass (which happens to be my main instrument)
@martindimitrov807
@martindimitrov807 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for an awesome video! I am a keyboard player and everyone recommends a passive DI box for the keyboard. But I use a workstation keyboard-Korg PA3x with styles not only sounds. In styles have bass, guitar, drums.... tracks. Do you recommend the RNDI for this reason which is an active DI box(I think it is better for bass sound) and which option is best for me? At the moment I work with Radial JDI passive DI. But on RU-vid, I watched many videos with sound tests of different DI's, and from what I heard, I like RNDI a lot. Thanks!
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 11 месяцев назад
The conventional suggestion is to match an active keyboard with a passive box. However, if you are looking to impart some vibe, the RNDI is great. (Though you’ll hear it more while recording than live) They do make a stereo version which is great. Either way, it’s built like a tank and you won’t regret having it!
@didifischervideo
@didifischervideo Год назад
the radial engineering JDI with a Jensen transorfmer would be very interesting - compared to a RNDI Neve ; )
@alyxgonzales
@alyxgonzales 9 месяцев назад
I appreciate the effort to do this comparison though I find it difficult to tell the real differences when they’re all different takes
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 9 месяцев назад
Understood. But I also don’t like splitters, as I don’t find they properly reproduce the signal the same way as going direct. So I opted to try to make them as close as possible while achieving the best capture of the hardware.
@teulgendaurelius2181
@teulgendaurelius2181 6 месяцев назад
@@ToddUrban Thank you so much for sharing this. What you think about a looper (BOSS RC-3 for example) for such comparisons?
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 6 месяцев назад
@@teulgendaurelius2181 any pedal or active product has the ability to benefit from a DI, but the results might not have as much of a difference as something such as a passive bass or guitar. The traditional idea is match a passive instrument with an active DI and an active instrument with a passive one. You might want to also check out Radial’s website, as they have great information and some other solutions I didn’t review.
@teulgendaurelius2181
@teulgendaurelius2181 6 месяцев назад
@@ToddUrban Probably you misunderstood me. I may have expressed myself incorrectly. I mean a looper instead of a splitter to avoid different takes.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 6 месяцев назад
@@teulgendaurelius2181 ah. Got it. In that case, my concern is that you could have different results from a looper compared to the impedance of a direct instrument. But yes, the performance would be the same. So it’s a trade off.
@robotmeister009
@robotmeister009 Год назад
Strat 2nd 1:36 Apollo 1:44 RNDI 1:53 J48 2:02 JDI
@xtakerux
@xtakerux 3 года назад
J48 is very transparent and balanced it feels upfront too
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 3 года назад
It’s great. Maybe not transparent, as the transformer adds a ton of low end. But it has a clear and wonderful tone.
@terrillmel
@terrillmel 2 года назад
@@ToddUrban Transparent isn't the word for sure.
@nickkellie
@nickkellie 2 года назад
I had a j48 but found it too bright and brittle. When I reamped it seemed like a different guitar was going into the amp. The neve sounded the most natural in your demos and didn’t add that high end plastic-y sound. I actually ended up going with a the JDI (passive) which doesn’t have the output of the active box but sounds more natural to me. I wish I had the money for the neve. I’ll have to save for it
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 2 года назад
Thanks for the input!
@Wheelly1
@Wheelly1 7 месяцев назад
JDI is so transparent and great sounding device that I really doubt you need something else...
@thedayones4918
@thedayones4918 3 года назад
Bet money nobody can’t tell them apart on a blind test 😆✌🏽
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 3 года назад
Valid point. Many people can’t. But sometimes the difference is how it influences the way we perform when using it.
@John_Kealiinohomoku
@John_Kealiinohomoku 2 года назад
I can 100% hear a difference between the Neve and Radial Di's. Apollo to Radial has smaller margins tho.
@preciseaudioblog
@preciseaudioblog Год назад
What a great video! Thank you! I have an active bass. Can I use the RND DI for it? Thank you.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban Год назад
Yes. The traditional advice is to pair active with passive. But I play active basses and use the RNDI more than any other DI. It’s great!
@preciseaudioblog
@preciseaudioblog Год назад
@@ToddUrban Cool! Thank you!
@antoniodapote1565
@antoniodapote1565 Год назад
J48 for elettric Guitar. Pro DI passive for acoustic Guitar and double bass. Neve for elettric bass
@Wheelly1
@Wheelly1 7 месяцев назад
Neve cuts lows on bass. J48 emphasizes them too much. ProDI is close to balance, but his brother JDI is everything you need for bass guitar
@johnplainsong9769
@johnplainsong9769 Год назад
I recorded the audio files into Logic, cut and paste to adjacent tracks, and A/B'ed tracks through a bus with identical, typical processing (eq,compression, saturation). Volume matched. The tracks sounded identical enough that I could not justify buying any of these DI's to use over just going straight into my Apollo Twin for my P-Bass and Strat. If I added a bit of other tracks (drums, keyboard), any slight differences vanished. Perhaps if I compared original hi-rez files there would be a $$$ difference.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban Год назад
They are similar when in a mix. The big difference, beside the subtle harmonic content that each one imparts, is the way the instrument responds when monitoring your playing live. There is not only a difference in dynamic range, but also a difference in feel. But, going direct into an Apollo is easy and sounds good, so if that works, keep doing it. 😃
@johnplainsong9769
@johnplainsong9769 Год назад
@@ToddUrban Good advice. And great video (along with your others). Thank you for taking the time to make them!
@HappyChillmore
@HappyChillmore 11 месяцев назад
Whoa hey Todd! Maybe you remember me from Berklee. I just realized this video was yours about a third of the way through. I just got a cheap passive Behringer DI to see if it would help with some of the weird leveling issues I have sometimes and just improve sound in general in addition to removing some ground loop noise. Only had about an hour to experiment. I’m assuming it’s probably better having a DI anyway compared to the Apollo hi z instrument inputs? I know it’s basically doing the same thing.. but I’m just trying to do anything I can and it seems to be at least helping with noise or at least being more consistent. Hope you’re doing well!
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 11 месяцев назад
Sorry, missed your first message, as I’m traveling and trying to manage messages from my phone! Great to reconnect. Yeah, keep me posted if you are still stuck. The Behringer DI probably isn’t the best, but shouldn’t cause distortion. If anything it might be a little noisy.
@hectorjc956
@hectorjc956 Год назад
Wich one do you or someone recomend for bass guitar?
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban Год назад
It depends on which bass guitar and what you are looking to achieve. The RNDI is one of my favorites. But the other two have subtle differences that might be preferable depending on if it is an active or passive bass and what your intended result is.
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 7 месяцев назад
How are you connecting the D.I. box to the Apollo X? Should ot go to the Hi-Z or to a different line in? I have apollo x8p so all combi Jack's except Hi-Z
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 7 месяцев назад
The best routing would be to take an XLR out of the DI and run it into the back as a line level into the apollo.
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 7 месяцев назад
@@ToddUrban Ok, follow up concern... I have an X8P. The X8P uses Combi-jacks instead of XLR... ...Would running XLR from D.I. into Combi-Jack force the X8P to run at Microphone level (I ask because a lot of people say combi-jacks can present problems).
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 7 месяцев назад
The combo jacks allow you to use an XLR but select line level. Just click on mic/line in the console app and you can switch between them. I have an x8p and it works perfectly that way. 😉
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 7 месяцев назад
@@ToddUrban NICE!!! One more quick question... Is there any way to come "line in" but still use either the "preamps" OR the "characteristics" of the presets in some way without amplifying? I want to be able to capture the cleanest signal possible. However, I don't want to waste all of the preamps which received when I spent all of that money of the "Complete Bundle". Especially since I am not (yet) paid for any audio work (and I certainly do not have a trust fund. LOL)
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 7 месяцев назад
@@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios yeah, use any of the plugins in the insert slots instead of the unison plugins and you’ll be set!
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 7 месяцев назад
Toward the end of the video (around @5:25 or so) you have a thumbnail at the bottom right of the screen, in which you are fingering two synths... If I may ask, do you also DI those when you are are capturing them? And if so... With what?
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 7 месяцев назад
For synths, I typically run direct into my interface. But yes, sometimes I’ll use a DI box for color. The transformers can add even more body.
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 7 месяцев назад
SOLID,@@ToddUrban! Thank you. BTW, have you ever considered expanding your community with workshops via zoom? If you'd be open to it... I'd love to discuss it with you. I feel like it would be a great opportunity for us to learn, as you are able to grow your followership.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 7 месяцев назад
@@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios thank you. I do Zoom sessions for private clients quite often from single help sessions so some studios that keep me on retainer for help when needed. Thank you for the support. Maybe one day I’ll offer group sessions too. Just still trying to grow the channel and help the community as a whole.
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios
@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios 7 месяцев назад
@@ToddUrban Thank you for letting me know. Perhaps one day, I will have the benefit of skill worthy of learning from you directly.
@progrocker84
@progrocker84 3 года назад
Can you confirm that the RNDI and J48 were properly level matched? If the answer is yes, the RNDI comparatively sounds slightly scooped and "further away", with a broader stereo spread. Meanwhile, the J48 sounds "closer" and more focused in the center. Would you agree? Also, I wonder how the Countryman Type 10 would compare to these two units.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 3 года назад
Yes, they were level matched. The RNDI and J48 do have a different sound. There is a little closer sound with the J48 as you said. But that in mind, there is a great character with the RNDI. Both are excellent and the build quality is also top notch.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban Год назад
Did I state that? If so, probably not a good phrase to use. I’ll need to go check!
@Miss_Pixie
@Miss_Pixie 6 месяцев назад
How do you connect it to the Apollo?
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 6 месяцев назад
Just run the line output from the DI into the XLR on an Apollo or any other interface. Certain DI boxes will also require phantom power.
@Particle67
@Particle67 3 года назад
What i wanted to listen: Apollo with DI box. Thank you so much. I suppose you don't using Unison on the Apollo exemples?
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 3 года назад
I do have a video on unison preamps somewhere on my RU-vid channel. If you search through the videos you should find it. Thanks!
@Particle67
@Particle67 3 года назад
Todd Urban if i'm using unison preamp i don't need DI box for my acoustic guitar. Is it correct?
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 3 года назад
Correct. But there can be benefits to putting a direct box first. But typically for unison, I go direct into the Apollo. It’s easier and works better with the impedance matching
@Particle67
@Particle67 3 года назад
Todd Urban Thank you for your answer.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban Год назад
Hmmm. No. I don’t and I use some active basses and am still fine with the hi-z input. Maybe try using the pad on the input? Are you distorting even at the lowest gain setting? If anything, I would think a DI would probably increase your signal level. But you could then run it balanced….
@BrandonofRedemption
@BrandonofRedemption 3 года назад
Seems like the Neve and J48 had way more low end where the Apollo and ProDI was a little thin in the low mids.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 3 года назад
I agree! Different colors in the low end for sure!
@JesusSanchez-pz1ii
@JesusSanchez-pz1ii 5 месяцев назад
Neve 🎉
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 5 месяцев назад
RND is great!
@Wheelly1
@Wheelly1 7 месяцев назад
Wow...with basses, especially double bass J48 is cleaner winner. Then ProDI. It seems RNDI eats low-end
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 7 месяцев назад
Yeah there is a completely different sound on the J48. (edited, as previously had a typo)
@kdrexler
@kdrexler 6 месяцев назад
Are you sure the J48 has a transformer? I think you might be confusing it with the passive JDI which does have a Jensen transformer.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 6 месяцев назад
@@kdrexler You are correct. It does not have a transformer. (for transparency, I'm putting here that I'm editing my comment above so it doesn't confuse anyone) Thanks for catching my typo! :)
@Heavymetalbass
@Heavymetalbass Месяц назад
Neve
@garyheimbauer4206
@garyheimbauer4206 2 года назад
wow - listening for the electric guitar samples and they are all the same. Any small differences are probably more attributable to the way you played the example than anything else.
@ToddUrban
@ToddUrban 2 года назад
Yes, not a ton of difference. But the way the instruments react is different, and therefore affects the feel to some extent too.
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