This match is the reason why there should be a time limit in the bonuses. While it's obviously a strategy to keep the lead, it irritated me very much how the winner kept stalling from the very beginning. The only time I saw them answering quickly was in the last question when all was done and dusted.
@@freddiethecutestcavapoo9184 also if you see Harrison at the Gong, he is dejected. I don't think I have ever seen a participant so disappointed and rightfully so because the opponents took their own sweet time.
I completely agree with you, but I would say that both teams were using the same tactic here. As you said though, by the last questions they were rushing so much. This is what it should be like on all the bonus questions. There should be a 10 or 15 second limit. Time to discuss but not enough time to go "Hmm, what 17th Century battles do we know. Well, there's this, that, this that. Oh it could be that. No, that was early 17th. Wait, what did he say, Russian? Oh it can't be that. Hmmm"
Thank you so much CosmicP! You rule! As for the match, initially I liked Christchurch, but I found their almost endless discussions towards the end, and their total ignoring of pleas to speed up blatantly unfair and unsportspersonlike! I have never felt like that about this type of behaviour before. But they really took the biscuit! it wasn't even as if they were actually involved in substantial discussions. The chatter was just filled with hollow, meaningless blah blah! And yes, I am aware that Emmanuel at times went painfully slowly about things, too. But Christ Church was just playing for time! Boo!
I agree. I'd like to think it was just lack of awareness but Amol repeatedly reminds them and even threatens to end their time and they still don't change.
Dean isn't the type who knows much esoteric stock knowledge but she really makes excellent use of deductive analysis -- like her answers "Sky", "Bat", and "Trigonometry". She isn't afraid to trust her hunch, which means also risking points. But the payoff was worth it. Rooted for Emmanuel but self-doubts took over in this match: like saying "It might be a trap" which only triggered analysis paralysis -- destructive in a time-constrained game.
It’s very frustrating to watch the team in the lead conferring leisurely on questions they can’t answer late in the game. There seems to be a premise that everyone will act in good faith. I wonder if teams are coached to stall with a lead late in the game.
With this set-up, the perception of “gaming the system” is inevitable. That’s why you can’t blame the team in the lead; the fault is with the producers/rules. The show needs to add a :15 or :20 timer so there’s never any question of a team intentionally delaying to waste time, or of the moderator being too lenient or too strict in the amt of time he allows them. Start the clock when he finishes reading; turn the numbers red when it hits 5 seconds; sound a buzzer at 0:00. It removes any question of perceived inequities.
In almost any competition or sport, knowing how to use the clock is skill in itself so I wouldn’t blame a team for using it to their advantage. Would agree there should clear time limits but Christ Church “parked the bus” very well in fairness
Both teams dithered endlessly over the bonus questions, I don't think the winning team is to blame or slowed down the pace late in the game. A very frustrating watch throughout.
Close it was; vintage it was not - that's the lowest joint score this series - bonus rates of 11/24 and 13/30, along with much more discussion time than as of late I think contributed to that (can't judge if the questions in this particular match were harder than any of the last few). Still nice for the winners that the buzzing was more spread - not sure at all on future prospects but they're in the dance for now at least. Also surprised that Mr Wotton's 9 starters in Christ Church's first game weren't mentioned as well?
Thanks again, CosmicPumpkin! What a match this was. And decided by one wrong answer by the losing team. As Rajan himself said, that word will pain them for a long time. As usual, I listened to each team member's field of study from the introduction by both teams, and then guessed who would be the eventual winner. Also as usual, I was wrong. They say insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result. Oh well. It's a real shame these teams had to meet when they did. Both teams and each individual can be proud of their performance in this match. My best to all of them.
I think university challenge might have an unofficial policy to pit oxbridge colleges against each other in early rounds and thereby avoid an all oxbridge final and the accusations of elitism that would produce in the media. They’ve already set a limit on only 3 colleges from each entering a team per year
First click of the day...that woke me up😵💫 Anyone else think Wotton was winding the clock down, he pushed it to the limit more than once and was warned about it? They won't get much further, imo. Geometry? Ouch!
Not too impressed by either team this week....a certain spark missing between the players. Far too much dithering and stalling by both teams, especially Christ Church.l agree that there should be a time out warning during conferring. However, great to see how each team tackles the questions each week. Thanks for keeping us entertained!
The moat ridiculous thing about the stalling is that you actually deny yourself the chance to score more points. We’ve all seen teams that faff about deliberately in close matches find themselves beaten at the last by a faster buzzer. Better by far to throw yourself straight back into the starters and trust yourself to pick up half of them.
It continues to baffle me that there’s no formal timer for conferring. Hearing the host say ‘Come on,’ repeatedly is annoying, and there’s no real consequence for repeated offences. There should be a timer that starts and which counts for the duration of the bonuses. If a team runs out of time before all the questions are completed, they forfeit the score. That’s one idea that could work.
I don't wanna brag, but kinda chuffed with a full round on 18th century treaties and conflicts 😂 Quite enjoyed tonight's show, although I do feel both sides would struggle against some of the other opposition we've seen. Mind you, easy to critique from the comfort of my armchair!
I think it's fair game. If they are in the lead, it would be a poor tactical play to answer immediately and possibly hand out the victory to the other team. The other team should've just played better earlier, they have no excuses.
To go down the road of stalling for time or running down the clock would ruin the game completly and be unfair. For instuction on how to behave each team should have to watch all rounds involving Newnham Collage last season.
Another thank you to CosmicP, my Monday hero!!! Good game. Both teams worthy of a win but I didn't think Cantab (Cambridge!) was quite up to prior form tonight!
Good match, although a little too much confereing for my liking. Most of the recent matches have had much faster questions and I prefer that style. Anyway, came here to say I really like Harrison as Q in the last couple of Bond movies.
Frustrating watch, this one. I'm all for conferring - a team collaboratively working their way towards an answer is lovely to watch, even if it's just a best guess. But most of the discussions in this match seemed knowingly aimless, as evidenced by many of the wildly off-base guesses. Did *any* of the extended conferring eventually bring a team to the right answer? Maybe once? Perhaps it was a tactic, perhaps it was a way to appear less ignorant about the question topics, perhaps it's just what their coaches have advised them to do as a rule. Regardless, I much prefer when teams are confident and self-aware enough to admit (quickly) the gaps in their knowledge without pretense. I think it's much more in the spirit of the game.
Christ Church should be ashamed of their obvious stalling tactics. If I were one of the organizers, I would disqualify them for what was a clear lack of sportsmanship.
They should get time if they're discussing options, not just a general call out as to wheter they've even got an educated guess that takes more than a couple of second. That also does them the favour of not highlighting their lack of clues, better all round just to move on.
Yes I thought the leisurely pace of conferring was at odds with the brisk progression we had come to expect since the new presenter took over . In fairness to him he did threaten to time them out at one stage.
I think it's fair game. The other team should've played better earlier. Why should Christ Church answer immediately and possibly blunder a narrow victory when they can run out the clock? It happens in every sport.
Disappointing performance from Emmanuel, I expected big things from them after 1st Round. Neither teams were good enough with the bonus questions. Unfortunately I don't see Christ Church making a push for the victory. Imperial still clear favourites in this tournament IMO, I was hoping to see Emmanuel make a statement tonight.
The episode that sparked the deranged right-wing frenzy, targeting a Muslim woman with bogus and laughable claims of anti-Semitism. Thankfully, today she has won in court and the idiots who defamed her have been forced to apologise. (if you can't tell how this comment relates to the episode, then that has proven my point about bizarre and baseless the claims of anti-Semitism were)
Very annoying to watch. I’d like to see Amol actually start timing teams out rather than just threaten it. As for Amol - feel like he’s getting stronger with each episode
The first two bonus questions asked for a “national capital” but the third just asked for “a major city.” Under those conditions, it’s not surprising that the contestants were primed to think in terms of a national capital for the third question as well.
I'd say it is still the standard *English* pronunciation for not only the character himself but also for all those (the Lotharios and the Casanovas) who share the same behavioural traits. Mozart's opera Don Giovanni, on the other hand, is pronounced and sung in the Italian fashion.
Actually Amol's and Jeremy's pronunciation of Juan in the context of the Byron poem is the correct one. If you read the poem you can see that in the rhymes that Byron chooses. Also, I believe that it was a deliberate affectation back in those days (we would call it racism nowadays) to pronounce Juan in an unashamedly English fashion, a way of looking down on the Spanish with whom the British were warring on and off for centuries before Byron.
I got the most number of questions correct in this one. Managed to make a few guesses (Keats, Augustus) that were somehow correct too. There really seems to be the case of stalling here but I see it more on the team captain, who seemed to need a bit more push to give an answer, compared to the other captains. They should have a policy where if being reminded of time more than twice, there should be a change in captain or introduction of timer.
The people complaining about stalling may not fully understand the feeling of needing to answer questions under pressure. As a quiz bowl player, I know what it's like when the panic sets in and you just can't make anything escape your mouth. Wotton looked especially like he wanted to be polite and give an answer but couldn't get anything from his brain to his voice (which maybe makes him not the best choice for captain, but that's a different issue). No one will see this because I'm three months late but I'd like to complain about people complaining anyway.
Alagar is pretty arrogant despite being wrong. I like how she shut down Harrison for suggesting Breda as a Dutch city, with her claiming it isn't Dutch...
Not saying anything that hasn’t been said by other comments, but this one felt very painful and almost unwatchable at times. The quality of this entire show would skyrocket if teams had like a 10 second timer on conferring. In the meantime, it’s an agonizing way to watch a close match turn into a deliberate stall-fest by the winning team 😔 Edit: I also feel like Paxman wouldn’t have let this episode go down like this. I like Rajan a lot but yeesh man. Fewer “come on”s and more “Sorry, took too long”s would make this episode feel more fair.
A great many names of both countries/cities/people, have a standard English pronunciation that differs from the native pronunciation: e.g., Lisbon instead of Lisboa and Saladin instead of Salah ad-Din. There are those who will opt for the native pronunciation, which is nowadays accepted, but is usually born of ignorance of the proper English pronunciation or pretentiousness: a latter example is saying 'HiMAAlaya' instead of 'HimalAya' or worse, pronouncing Paris in French while speaking English.
That's how it's pronounced in the poem. Paxman said it (more or less) the Spanish way when talking about real people by that name, and I have to imagine Rajan will too.
@@shinichikudo3515it is a convention to use an English pronunciation in certain works of literature from the past, which seems quite odd, but it persists.
Actually that pronunciation of Juan in the context of the Byron poem is the correct one. If you read the poem you can see that in the rhymes that Byron chooses. Also, I believe that it was a deliberate affectation back in those days (we would call it racism nowadays) to pronounce Juan in an unashamedly English fashion, a way of looking down on the Spanish with whom the British were warring on and off for centuries before Byron.
Joo an !?!? It's not that difficult to pronounce the name juan properly. Honestly it makes English people sound unutterably stupid when people hear the way we insist on pronouncing Don Juan.
Can someone please teach Amol Rajan the "usual pronunciation" of the words "a" and "the", before he starts passing judgment on the pronunciation of foreign names at 4:02?
Once again sadly disappointed by the knowledge of British wildlife. Those bird call questions were all so easy. The way they treat the questions as if they are beneath them with lots of laughing also depresses me. No hope for retention of biodiversity when there’s so little interest from the young in the environment.
I laughed too because it was a weird question. They could've played live recordings of the birds but instead they had Rajan mimic the birds. It was a pretty dumb question.
The woman in the middle for Christ Church Oxford absolute disgusting for displaying that octopus. Shows what the BBC are really like. Boycott the TV licence tax.
so you saw a toy octopus, and thought that the only logical explanation for was that someone on the team had dug up an obscure nazi political cartoon and decided to show the world that they hated Jewish people. Would you have come to the same conclusion if you had watched this when it was recorded - i.e. in March? consider this: quiz teams often have plush toys as a mascot. And this is just a blue octopus because someone on the team likes octopuses. also, you don't know who the toy belongs to. You just perceived something as anti-Semitic and then blamed the woman wearing a headscarf. Maybe you should examine yourself first.
