Betty Broderick snapped too, and her story was unbelievable. She even gave birth to still born child while Dan partied up with friends in the ski slopes, she sacrificed everything for him only to be replaced by a younger model. She is serving life without parole. Mary has little to nothing about her hubby's abuse. And she is walking free. I don't understand the judicial system in the states not one bit
@@estellewadsworth4187 That's because you can't kill your husband because he's mean to you, even if he cheats and says and does awful things, that's grounds to leave them, not kill them and their girlfriend in cold blood.
@@estellewadsworth4187 Betty Broderick was definitely abused by her husband for sure but she committed her crime in an big city in California. I believe the she needs to be released from prison but it's California and she probably will never be released. Mary is still being victimized by her in-laws, the community etc. His parents are so WRONG and they should be ashamed of themselves. Those kids need their mother now more than ever, give her the children ASAP!!!
I think he hit her a lot more than she realizes. She said he didn't hit her often but in her mind, "often" probably meant multiple beatings a day. I'll bet he did hit her often
These folks come from the Bible Belt states where their church is law and unfortunately, she snapped because the man she married was a cruel psychotic and even though she finally allowed the truth of this matter in her marriage to come out…… some people couldn’t accept this horrible truth about their Pastor because they felt betrayed and fooled by him and therefore, some folks turned their backs on her. The truth is that this is her life and she wanted to protect her children and continue to be the best mother for her three children after she dealt with a monster she was apprehensive about being killed by him! He had threatened her life before she ended his life!
My ex husband abused me for 12 years and even though Mary is odd and hard to understand in this interview I believe her because I am sure I sounded odd and hard to understand once finally came out of my closet about the abuse. It’s difficult once you finally feel safe and confident to tell your story and I’d be lying if I said I never thought of killing my husband. I never had a plan to kill him because I am not a killer and I’d never kill my childrens father, I’d like to think that would never kill anyone especially someone I loved but I think God everyday that he did leave me for another woman he met at work because now that I am thinking more clear headed and free I know myself and him are lucky that he is still alive today. What I am saying is that now I realize how mentally unstable being in a abusive relationship can be, I was so emotionally and physically worn out that I wouldn’t put it past myself that at that time I could’ve easily killed him. There were days that I was exhausted and extremely dazed and confused I could’ve killed him and not know what I was doing or even remembered what I had done after the fact. I feel bad for people who have lost their lives and their families but I also feel bad for people in prison who took the life of an abusive spouse because the human mind and body can only take so much abuse and stress before they snap and it’s fight or flight. What tugs at my heart the most is that their are probably so many black woman in prison for killing their abusers who will never get the chance to have a con considerate jury like Mary got given. God be with those who are imprisoned today for defending themselves against their abusers and wonder, should I have laid down let them kill me and I’d be free or dead right now? If you’re in an abusive relationship tell somebody, write it down, take pictures and videos keep track of every instant so you will have proof one day because it may be yours or someone else’s last day. If we have the strength to stand up against abuse maybe they’ll think twice before disrespecting a human that way! I still have ptsd and nightmares from the years with my abusers.
I AGREE 👍 100 % SOMETIMES NOT ALWAYS AS EASY AS IT SEEMS , I ONLY STAYED LONG ENOUGH TO GET OUT AND GET MY OWN PLACE FOR ME AND MY OWN KIDS BUT IT STILL CONTINUES WITH STALKING AND OTHER STUFF , SCARY AS HELL
@@wendycarstens9970 Ohh, please be careful. Never ever meet him anywhere alone. Equip yourself with a taser, spray, a knuckle ring, a loud whistle. I hope you get through this safely.
It's not about having a considerate jury. If you have money for a lawyer you can get off. If you take the free lawyer they will make u take a really bad plea deal.
I lived with that for 7 years and it made me feel like I wasn't good enough for any man. He broke my nose 2 times and he finally beat me so bad I had to leave for my kids hewas just like her husband. That's not a husband just a monster.
You can imagine, that's why signs are present. You grow up with morals and values to help guide your decisions. So you don't really have to touch the stove if you've seen the red/orange flames and know it's hot.
I really felt the pain of Mary's father when describing her bruises. My daughter was married 15 months before I realized there was a problem in her marriage. We were shopping for new clothes to wear to a friends wedding, and I accidentally walked in on her in the changingroom, I actually cried out when I saw her body, and bruises. She admitted to me right there that her husband had been beating her. She was ashamed, and wondered if she was the problem. We totally loved her husband, and we were shocked to say the least! She had dated him for 2 years, but never lived with him before the marriage. She said he had never hit her before marriage. Our proudest moment of our daughter's life came when she left the marriage. It took therapy for her to realize it was not her fault, and he would never stop. Thankfully, there were no children.
Desertwind, I can't describe my emotions reading your post and about your proudest moment of your daughter's life. Good to know that she is safe now and that she has the support of her loving family. I feel for all of you for having experienced such horror. There is nothing worse for a parent than knowing that this is happening to one's child.
My heart breaks for Mary. Yes, some of her answers are vague, but that is due to multiple things. She's clearly mentally traumatized by Years of mental and physical abuse from her husband, the shame and guilt she was still feeling, and the stigma of being a Christian woman in the south. I live near selmer, so I'm very familiar with the Christian upbringing around here. A lot of things are just supposed to remain unspoken. If it's unpleasant, you don't speak of it to others. It's the woman's place to hold it all together and make it look perfect. It's unhealthy but that's how it is, especially 15-20 years ago when this happened. This is a woman who still is making excuses for her abusive husband. I hope that she has been able to get help since this happened and is leaving a peaceful happy life somewhere.
@@cherolpoole7286 like asbergers or autism? Perhaps, but it doesn't diminish the effects of abuse, only the conveyance of the Information requested of her
The entire courtroom gasping when the defense showed the wig and shoes he made her wear was all you needed to know about the community she was brought up and lived. To them, that was more shocking than the actual shooting or abuse.
I grew up in a very abusive home in which all forms of abuse took place. Both of my parents were raised in the south and they both were raised Christian. My mother is 86 and if my father was alive he would be 88 years old. They are also people of color. They were very much of the mindset that what happens in the home stays in the home. There is something else wrong with this woman.
If you bully, molest, beat, mentally and physically abuse somebody long enough, they will strike back at some point. This woman had no other option than to free herself from the torture and humiliation inflicted by her husband. I am glad that her sentence was light. Lesson to all wife, child and animal abusers and beaters out there.....
Yes, as what happened with the brothers who killed their rich abusive parents. I feel so sorry for those boys who knew the only way they could be free from the abuse was to kill their parents. Now they are serving a prison sentence all over again
Agreed. I truly have a problem with mean people and bullies. I hate that he died and didn’t get the help he needed- but he ultimately got what he asked for.
@@blondegiraffe2023 that was the Menendez brothers, I believe. I agree with you! I knew when I first heard about it that there had to have been abuse and those two boys were tried before sexual abuse by a parent was taken into consideration. Since then the laws have changed, and I’ve wished someone would pick up their case again and declare time served. Heck, time was already served by the years of abuse they had to endure. I can’t stand mean people - especially those who take advantage of others who can’t do anything about their situation.
I feel so bad that she thought that she could inform her husband how worn out she was. He wouldn't have cared. He wouldn't be bothered... abusers abuse because they don't care about you
@@bronwyntanner4501 Absolutely !! I have been abused myself but I could express myself I If you have never been abused, you don't realize the trap you are in, and it is a gradual thing. I usually just put on a smile next day simply because I could not open up anything, I just wanted peace. However, the last time I was abused my sister found out about it and the day after she called the sheriff office and reported it, unbeknownst to me. Well, a deputy was sent out to check on me, then some other people that works in the abuse entity came and talked with me, and my husband. They wanted to take him straight to jail and I ask them not to. I promised I would contact them if anything happened again. That got my husband's attention. my husband's rage issues are not the some total of him. I won't bore you all with anything more. It has been about 9 mos ago, no incidence since then. That call to the sheriff's office was the best thing that could have possibly happen.
@@larayav1839 it’s never okay to kill, but I’ve been in an abusive relationship and found myself in a very bad situation one day that could have been deadly. You never know what could happen until you’re mentally in that moment. Thank God for turning it around.
Bingo. If it is as she says, him trying to smother the baby I'd black out in a rage too and it isn't that hard to pick up a gun or weapon if you are in that type of rage.
Nope ... she admitted it in the beginning. It was about image. If it had been about her children, she would have taken them immediately out of there and gone to a shelter or to the police OR TO HER DAD'S (WHO SUPPOSEDLY TRIED REACHING OUT TO HER) while he was sleeping instead of getting the shot gun out of the closet and shooting him in the back ... WITH HER CHILDREN IN THE SAME HOME. Wtf is wrong with you ppl? Women have been through what she supposedly went through and more .... should we all get a free pass when our man is sleeping to shoot him in the back??????
@@Katrielible He wasn't asleep. And it's called Battered Women Syndrome. Many many abused women have successfully proven they had no other options. He threatened to kill her, he said he'd chop her up, he was a pastor do you think the cops would believe her or him? How nice it must be to pass judgement when you probably never were controlled and mentally or emotionally abused like this woman was.
@@oc2538 i do not have to believe either one of them. In fact, you and i do not even get to hear his side to say that we believe in him cuz she shot him. And have you looked into the case? He WAS asleep and she shot him in the back after getting the coffee started. He was not threatening her in any way when she shot him, wiped his mouth, cut the phone line and ran off with her children while he was still alive. The account she gives here is not the full account and she leaves out the fact that one of the daughter's walked in on him asking for help.... he was not dead when she left and she cut the lines. And she says her husband fell for a scam when it was really her. It was actually more than 1, i think 2. It was the scam where Nigerians look for desperate women generally but sometimes men online and strike up a relationship based on lies that the person is really american and rich but all his money is tied up and if she can just transfer some money he will give it all back when he returns to the state to marry her. Dr phil has episodes on it. Mary screwed up and shot the father of her children. . .. IN THE BACK WHILE HE WAS SLEEPING. I do not know that he was any more or less abusive than her. I know that it benefitted her greatly that believed her account .... so, it is not like she did not have anything to gain by saying he abused her. But it is difficult for me to tell .... she shows no remorse and even the toughest of ppl testify to the trauma of killing a human being (very few ppl, especially women in Mary's alleged position .... women that kill from abuse have shown great emotion when recounting their stories, especially if their children are near by ... This woman has the shadow of contempt when she is speaking about an otherwise traumatic event. One thing is ..... she did not kill him for her children, otherwise she def would have been more direct about it.
@@oc2538 btw, i am diagnosed severe ptsd because of things i went through ..... that is another reason i find it hard to believe she suffered more abuse to herself than she gave out. She did not commit a crime of passion. Look into clara Harris .... that was truly a crime of passion. That does not mean what she did was justifiable, rather it was understable. That the jury considered what mary did understandable and justifiable is scary . ... many recounted it was the high heels for them. That is not even what was happening when she shot him. He was not threatening her or berating her when she shot him in the back cuz he was asleep. She made a conscious decision to handle her discontentment by going to have a talk with him telling him he needs to calm down (her words) and she did just that when she shot him .... in the back while he was sleeping
Sadly, many so-called pastors, especially of those small, unsupervised churches, are drawn the job because they crave control and the adulation of the women in their congregation.
I think she had a custody case open so limited what she said..I dont know that she was lying as she was holding back...so much it was a non enlightening interview
OMG! This is why I came to the comments, I thought it was just me. I admire Oprah’s patience. Could she possibly be suffering with PTSD or still on medications from the psychiatric hospital? She seems very detached… I agree that as interviews go, it’s unbearably frustrating.
I've seen my own father put his hand over my baby nephew's mouth & pinch his nose in a fit of rage for waking my dad up with his crying. It looked to me like he was trying to suffocate him or at least teach him not to cry or else. I know I was afraid my dad would kill him in a fit of rage and had to run out of the room calling for my youngest sister who took the baby into her bed. Likely this woman felt the same way which pushed her over the edge. The baby's mother was in Hawaii on her honeymoon & my mom was in a mental institution having electroshock treatments. It affected me so much that I could never stay at the family home ever again!
How dreadful and your poor mum in an institution too..no wonder you didn't want to stay in the family home again..poor little nephew what a horrible experience.
Since he left the gun in the closet in that condition, he was clearly a threat to his family. He was obviously a threat to his children. Who the hell suffocates their baby out, to get them back to sleep? That is insane and murderous. He threatened her, with "accidentally" shooting her, he was abusive to her, if she picked the gun up, in that condition, he was setting her up and she's lucky that she got to it first. She may have gotten away with involuntary manslaughter, not murder. Hope she got her kids back. Not cool for the grand kids to be raised by the parents who created her narcissistic, psychopathic husband.
A Narcissist can suffocate a baby, so he can go back to sleep, there are no empathy in them‼️They don't connect and do love, the kids are only seen as an extension of themselvs ‼️
@@bluetopaz1226 what I do know is that most people don't turn out rotten without a history of abuse. The vast majority of people with a history of abuse do not turn out rotten. But when someone's a psychopath and a narcissist that didn't just start with them. Speaking from experience of personality disordered people in my life. Some of that stuff comes from at least one parent.
As someone who has been in an abusive relationship many moons ago from the ages of 16 to 23 I can absolutely relate to this woman. You are backed into a corner, it wears you down and removes every ounce of self you have. Sometimes you just get pushed that far you snap - luckily when I snapped it wasn't a gun and I escaped with just a few good bruises.
I hope she receives the healing she needs for herself and her children to stop this cycle of abuse. He targeted her children and we do not know the limits of his deviancy, sexually, physically, and emotionally. Her husbands abuse was familiar to her.
You women taking up for a Murderer. Her Husband can't talk. She is crazy as a loon. Other people had to recognize if he had problems, especially his Parent's & the congregation of people in his Church. She should never have custody of her Children. A Narcissistic wife can get away with Murder.
I’ve been very involved in a church before and I’ve also been in abusive relationships and this is sounding very familiar. In both incidences, you do try very hard to ‘look’ like a perfect family and you do hide things from others because of embarrassment and shame.
Anyone that hides abuse only ends up hurting themselves. I am a long time abuse survivor but at the hands of my own mother. I wish I know how to respond wisely then but at 53 the penny has dropped and I have zero contact with her which means I can now afford to heal.
DAMN RIGHT HE DID AND I WOULD OF DONE THE SAME THING WITH OUT HESITATION AND THAT'S JUSTIFICATION IN MY BOOK BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU TRY & CONTACT POLICE IT'S WAY TOO LATE , SO BE IT AND IF YOU HAVE KIDS INVOLVED YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEM AS WELL AS YOURSELF BECAUSE NARCS LIKE TIGERS 🐅 NEVER CHANGE THEIR STRIPES
I understand this woman completely. It’s hard for people to understand how these abusers can’t be reasoned with. I can feel her pain and I think she genuinely wanted to reason with him. It’s a very hard concept to understand unless you’ve had similar situations.
There is a difference between battered woman and forgetting those occasions? NO way! I remember every thing that my ex said to me and if I had shot him, I'd remember that too - being in a messed up marriage myself for over 14 years I can attest to that fact - 1.) you do not ever forget and 2.) it doesn't make you confused. You only forget and are confused when you lie about it.
Good for you for being able to remember, but it’s a fact that victims of extreme abuse can not often remember a lot of things that happen. I myself struggle to come up with answers like she does. My friends and family remember things that I do not. It’s called abuse amnesia, dissociation.
@@stephanied9629 That is not a fact - that is your assertion. Only those with brain damage resulting from the abuse would experience that - and there is no record of her having brain injury.
@@4everfaithful32 that’s not necessarily. I came out of an abusive situation and have ptsd. I have forgotten things and then remembered them again. Have you ever blacked out without passing out? I have. Everyone is different and some people are stronger than others. Mary seems to me to possibly be on the spectrum somewhere. I’m no doctor, but I’ve heard her other times and I read about the trial. I’ve also known several people with autism or Aspergers.
Oprah deliberately tries to intimidate and at times mock people She doesn't try those tactics with famous stars. Oprah is a renowned tv anchor.. But a person who sadly lacks empathy in certain matters such aa issue like marriages or children - things she hasn't experienced herself.
@@radhasen.animalwelfare.5644 lol....if Oprah was a white woman y'all would describe her a pioneer woman right? The woman is doing her job, a job she clearly is good at. You wanted her to question her like they are friends?
I think people tend to forget that as a reporter or interviewer it helps everyone to be objective. I believe Oprah is trying to keeps her emotions and feelings from coming through when she is interviewing her.
I understand Oprah has a job to do, and obviously she knew she would have to answer some harder questions that make her uncomfortable but you can see the pain. She’s a very dignified person
My Aunt was physically abused by her husband. I was about 12 years old when I saw her being beaten. She almost died. My screams and my Aunt’s neighbor came running with his gun saved her life. I can see in her face she traumatized telling the story. I saw my Aunts face and body bruised and beaten many times. That vision never goes away. GOD BLESS all who have suffered and those who suffer. May GOD send Angels. 🙏🏾
I understand, it’s terrible to be an abused woman but if your going to do an interview with Oprah to explain yourself, i think it would be best if you make sense about the whole event
Yeah she isn't painting the picture like I would've hoped. She is very vague but then I could've sworn jus now when Oprah asked if he hit her often she said "No not really. I would jus focus on making him happy" but then she said he threatened her wit a shotgun many times. That's a huge progression in my humble opinion. It seems like after she killed him they jus threw a bunch of things in the pot & I'm not saying he didn't abuse her but maybe not to the degree she tryna say! 🤦🏾♂️
Even in the very beginning describing the early relationship, like dating, she skimmed right over it. I’m like geeze speak woman. Very frustrating listening to this.
Think that he would have also made her think that anything she said was not worth listening to. He probably interrupted her so much just to let her know what she had to say meant nothing, but I bet she would just learn to put her emotions and thoughts out of her mind just to keep him happy. So, it would be very hard for her to actually hold a two-sided conversation, especially about her thoughts and feelings.
I had an abusive partner for a few years, he was and still is so nice to people that it's hard for them to believe he is abusive even after separating. I have to deal with him and I have gone through so many similar events like that ones Mary went through, they are so good at making people believe that they would not do something like this.
It always amuses me when a criminal who is a minister or a pastor is initially defined that way - as if committing a crime may not be true bc his occupation is connected to god. Or for him to be a victim is somehow so much worse. We all know that these ministers, cardinals etc who also happen to be violent, murderous, narcissistic or a paedophile think they can use their connection to the church to hide their crimes and who they really are. These people may in fact be the worst of the worst. I was so glad to hear Mary got her children back. I hope one day those grandparents realise who their son was.
Hope they realise he Matthew wasn't GOD. I like the Green Jacket at the end the woman wearing. Gasp😴 What if he had e ded life, why should a woman have to die, for a male to survive he wanted her to be weak a d feeble. How , why are Guns so easily part of society, where that happe- ed. Did her husband buy those guns and kept them In their home unlocked and not In a Safe Secure place.
My old pastor beats his family. I told people in our church and they turned a blind eye. I hope one of these days his oldest children turn around and give it straight back to him.
Oprah Winfrey gave over her job to Dr. Phil. She is an amazing interviewer and spokes person. She was more skilled than Joan Rivers, Donahue, Heraldo, Jenny Jones. She was so much better than Nancy Grace and Barbra Walters. Oprah helped many people. These episodes are very old. If Oprah would of helped me as well,: hot damn because I was a true fan of her show, promoting public knowledge, awareness, non judgment and faith. I wish this spokes person can come back.
The Phil Donahue was revolutionary and I watch old episodes of it on YT. I was born in the early 80’s so I do remember watching Donahue with my Mama. Imo the Donahue show is the forerunner to the Oprah Show. Oprah took the platform of daytime talk shows to it’s high point.
@@georgialee6755 Umm I am confused. So you’re mad b/c you thought Oprah didn’t do her job to call her guests liars without any way to fact check the info? The Sussex spoke abt how they felt abt their own life experiences and their perception of private conversations. It wasn’t like this old episode where Oprah had police reports, court transcripts and other media reports of the crime to ask probing questions and to push back on her answers. You’re comparing apples to oranges.
If she killed him because of the money scam she had fallen for it must have been true of his temper and her fear of him. But it sounds like it was a long list of abuse and she just snapped. I hope she’s receiving counseling as well as the children.
A counselor explained to me that emotional abuse at the hands of a narcissist could be just as bad as physical abuse only you don't have the physical bruises to prove the abuse. The use of silence was another tactic. The counselor said to not talk to a spouse was to discount him/her as a person. The same counselor told me that a young very attractive woman who had been married to a prominent doctor had committed suicide. He had turned her into his prisoner. First, he made her stop working and only allowed her out of the house according to his controlling rules. The years of this type of abuse drove her to the edge.
I don't know if she's under the heavy influence of medication, if she's not that bright, if she's withholding information, or a combination of these. What I do know is that this interview is like listening to grass grow! Oprah sounds frustrated and I'm amazed that Mary was able to avoid a life sentence for this killing, given her inability or unwillingness to provide a straight answer to the most straightforward of questions!
She was soo helpless because if she would tell people about everything that she facing was not comfortable as a godly lady no one would believed her because she was a pastor,'s wife... So she was a victim of a narcissistic abuse ... She was not living a life but surving... May God bless her again with peace of mind and good life. ✝️🌈
Her husband probably deserved what he got. People can be one person at home and then put on facades in public. She looks like an abused woman. What a change in her appearance from when they got married to now.
She didn't do anything to anything other than protect your baby from her demonic husband husband when he tried to hurt her baby she had a perfectly normal healthy reaction to an abnormal situation❤
someone who is afraid for their life does not grab a shotgun to "intimidate" the other person especially when they've never fired a shotgun before. wasn't she worried that this strong, rageful, powerful man would overpower her and get hold of the gun and really hurt her? and the fact that she remembers every single detail of her life with him except all the parts that would put her in the shoes of a very guilty person is a clear sign that she's lying. let alone all the details she doesn't mention off the bat when asked, but when oprah reminds her of details "she's read", mary agrees wholeheartedly because they suit her story. "-did your daughter walk into the room? -no -i read she came into the room! -right, well..." come. on.
@@evelynmarx6212 i never said she should follow cops advice and i didn't comment on anything that happened in her life other than this interview in which the story doesn't make sense and her behaviour is sketchy. if she was being truthful, she would remember every single second of the day she saved herself from an abusive relationship, not forget every single detail. please don't put words in my mouth.
Truly loved him, married the sweetheart for a dream life, weeks later realised the man was nothing but a monster.. Too much of honour self esteem and may be love for the man she once loved, she thought he would change and the sweetheart he used to be might come back.. Nothing happened.. He just became who really was.. First shock, then settled for the worst.. Taught herself to put up a show in front of friends and family.. And when the monster turned against their own kids.. She snapped.. Unconsciously.. When dreams are shattered and you are tired of collecting the shattered pieces only to be shattered again.. This happens..
I believed every single word she said during the trial. She had the life beaten out of her. Her look is one of humiliation and pain. Most of the time the woman is not believed especially when it's someone like this "pastor". Remember this case well. Not the happy home they presented to the outside.
I thought that at first too but sometimes when a person doesn't really want to admit what happened to them they seem evasive. She didn't even want to admit it to her father, what she was going through. I honestly think that is what is happening her and it's not lying but just holding back some of the facts.
@@blondinahassell3381 Talk to therapists. Often people who have gone through abuse utilize stoicism because they don't want to see themselves as victims. It's a form of control to stay stoic when recounting their stories.
I lived in selmer all my life and from what I heard she was abused and hurt emotionally physically and mentally.... I know exactly where there house was...in front of the selmer elementary school...this was big news over the country
I feel she's still very choosy with her words when she describes what went down that morning. You can hear her still almost makes excuses for his behaviour too
@@stephanied9629 No, it-isn't incorrect - amnesia of any sort is just that - amnesia and you remember nothing - amnesia clears the memory - in trauma, such as head injury - horrific car accidents - they can lose all memory for several hours leading up to that event and after - she recalls every step, she just won't say it - that was obvious (the babies room) and dissociation disorder - she knows her own identity and the identity of him and her baby s room - and was aware of her surroundings in the home that day and that she was sitting with Oprah - those 2 elements are very important factors for that disorder.
Such a liar 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ the way she talks so slowly just says it all, choosing her worfs carefully and still doesnt make any sense. Talking as if this is someone elses story she is just repeating 🙄🙄
Yes she needs to think on what to say I seen this interview years ago thought the same thing then We will never know what really happened in that marriage
That poor woman . My dad was abusive and physically violent then my mum left him to go to another man who was mentally abusive not just her but to me as well . A total narcissist . I feel sorry for Mary . Unless you have been in that situation you should not pass judgement . I am pleased to read all the positive non condemning comments here . Hope you find some happiness Mary .
When I saw their eyes in the photos, they looked the same, eyes of a Narcissist, so I think they both where Narcissists ‼️Wt Narcissists, there's something called word-salat, I was wondering if what she said was that, it was so fragmented ‼️It sounds like she was lying, reading from a script when she looked up to the left‼️Oprah had to refer to what she have told earlier ‼️
I do not endorse condone, or otherwise participate in domestic violence; murder, etc. However, if I found my abusive husband suffocating my one year old baby I hate to admit I would do whatever it took. I feel that strongly. I think she wanted him to feel her fear. What do I know really? My God!!!!!
Oprah sounded so condescending to Mary. Like she did not buy her story one bit. Apparently she has never been in an abusive and controlling relationship to understand the mindset.
She said the dating was delightful and fun .he switched 3 months after marriage. Had she known he was going to do that she might have said no to his proposal
@@veen0610 that's a typical narcissistic behavior... Very charming before.. That's why he changed after marriage and not before.. He couldn't keep up with the act anymore..
That's why Narcissists go way to fast forward, so they can trap their victim into a corner, before the mask slips‼️Word-salad, fragmented talking, she lied‼️
her no eye contact makes me believe she's not telling the whole truth! 0prah looking her right in her eyes and she is looking everywhere except at 0prah
Not once did Oprah or anyone else in the course of the show mention that Mary's affect--her atonal, robotic yet fragmented speech & inability to emote--all indicate that she was in a deep & persistent state of shock. The abuse leading up to the shooting & the reality of the shooting itself were probably all so traumatic that she completely shut that part of herself down. That's why she couldn't even remember picking up the shotgun. Or, she's a psychopath--as they apparently they tend to have a similar lack of affect.
The trauma of being constantly abused cut off her thinking processes probably. Why believe that a Pastor wanted to sexually debase and humiliate his wife. Matthew, Mary, Winkle----what. Three mon -ths after meeting her he proposed marriage and how old was he, where how did he train to be a Pastor?
I’m not buying it, she knew what her intentions were when she grabbed the shotgun. After she shot him she ran away, something she couldn’t do before killing him 😳
Now, there is something about her demeanor that does not convince me about her innocence and the shotgun was just an excuse. I cannot help it. I am sorry, I do believe he must have been abusive but he also sounds like he was trapped in the marriage. I do not condone his behavior because I do understand as the receiver of verbal abuse and the freedom of speaking up that many women experience with these kind of men, but I cannot help not believing Mary Winkler.
I was in a marriage like that for 9 years. Over 150 emergency room visits. That's how you what first time he went to go put hands on my little girl I was gone and I never looked back. I do feel bad for her because she seems like the kind of person that will get in a marriage and like when she's talking about him changing and stuff and how she's struggling to talk. The reason she's struggling to talk is because she still don't understand why he changed. And I'm pretty sure she still looks for a reason for why he changed like he did and probably still blames herself. That's common in domestic violence victims. I know that after you get out of a violent relationship like that it wasn't real for a long time. You still have a hard time speaking without permission. You still look over your shoulders, you still jump when you hear a loud noise. I would say it takes takes the better part of a decade
I am so glad that she did something to make her remaining life normal and peaceful, because she went through too much of psychological abuse of all kinds by her husband.. When it was enough she ended it by killing him... I am sure and I know it was not easy for her to do that so... If I was in her place I could have done the same thing... , because I am also going through too much psychological abuse... 😓
This is very peculiar interview. She said her husband didn't hit her?? You can see how Oprah was caught off guard by that answer.Then everything Oprah asks is vaguely answered or Oprah jumps in & feeds her an option, then she goes hm..mm..mm.
Narcissist don’t have to physically abuse you to suffer from abuse. Unless you meet a narcissist you will never understand. Count your blessings these people are evil
My husband didn’t hit me either he chocked me at least 1-3 times a week everyday for 12years. He was to smart to punch me in the face and leave up front and out in the open proof! Sometimes he kicked me, pulled my hair, pushed me down and spit in my face. I wonder if he had left a black eye on me if my family would have cared enough then to help me? They didn’t want to deal with me and my kids that’s why the ignored the abuse and I knew I wasn’t wanted and had no where to go. I am lucky he abandoned me and our kids at my moms so he could leave us for his girlfriend or I don’t think I’d be alive today.
