Hi there, product developer here. Thanks for taking the time to not only review the product but buy it with your own hard earned cash to review it early. Hope the PR team can get you another unit for potential dual camera setups. Just some updates/points from your review. 1. Definitely agree regarding the colors, we went very conservative with the color balancing and didn't want to over saturate the image (lesson learnt from the kiyo pro tuning). I will see if the team can make tint available for tuning in Synapse via a future firmware update. 2. Regarding the Synapse control for resolutions - We only list the resolutions that are applicable to MJPEG adjustment - the processing tab is solely designed to adjust the amount of compression that the encoder on the camera does so that if people have machines that face latency issues they can adjust the compression to reduce latency and focus more on performance. NV12 is not listed in Synapse for the processing tab as there is no compression value to adjust. 3. We have another firmware and software update coming out at the end of January that will add presets for zoom values as well as improve performance in Synapse and auto focus in certain lighting tests we found post launch. We will continue to update Synapse and the firmware of the device moving forward based on feedback. 4. Will organize an internal review of your video so all the teams, eletronic engineering/mechanical engineering/firmware/software/image tuning can all take points for future products. 5. Longer term I am working with the team to adjust our camera architechture within Synapse so that users can adjust settings without the preview needing to be enabled. This is a sticking point but requires a lot of work internally - I can't give a date but know its on the roadmap for a future Synapse update. 6. Somewhat related we are working on an update for the original Kiyo Pro that will address some issues with color balancing/default values and will look to release it in Q2 of this year.
@@seethruhead7119 You can use it on a Mac but to have access to the all the configuration software it needs to be done on Synapse (No MacOS support unfortunately) :(
starting teh heat up? what? its been more or less stagnant since its inception,, we had some stuff from logitech and then Elgato(corsair) joined in but for the most part is pretty meh, have you seen that lastest logitech offering? glorious.....1080p.....and its a brand new webcam as well.
@@Decenium The C920 was like the last webcam that gave decent quality, everything afterwards was kind of the same. Only now the Insta360 link and this Kiyo Pro Ultra seem to show some improvements.
The problem for the webcam industry is up to which price tag people are ready to pay for a “webcam”. It seemed that in the past, most people where happy with a C920 for $50, the air quickly getting thin when approaching $100. Manufacturing costs then have to hover between 15-25 bucks, the rest being for marketing, shipping and supply chain margins. So this 4K cams are risky business, when you invest in R&D to develop a higher end camera with a price point where people are considering switching to another level of camera gear with capture devices/cards altogether.
@Decenium well thing is it's a Webcam. Do you really need more than 1080p? If your livestreaming most likely your not streaming higher than 1080p and if it's for video calling a friend or whatever do you really need 1440p or 4k?
@@Decenium 1080p is not bad. Even cinema cameras are used at 1080p and 2K (depends on the workflow and budget). What matters the most is the sensor wich is pretty bad in webcam industry.
I love the insta360. I use it as my 2nd livestream camera, but mostly for the little box when gaming. I love the gimbal and facial tracking to be able to keep my head in that small box when I start moving around. Love it for that feature alone!!!
This is an extremely informative video - which is par for the course for EposVox! Ever since you mentioned that you were going to review this camera I've been excitedly waiting for this video to come out and you delivered some informational gold!
The software is the biggest make or break for me. At this point, I have resigned myself to having to use CamooZ + task scheduler to force settings to load on my webcam. If a webcam can't figure out how to get that right without third-party utilities, then I have no interest in upgrading. Webcams should be more convenient than DSLRs, not less. Edit: I did actually pick up this webcam and the software has been just fine. Settings save to the camera and I don't need Synapse running.
The Razer Kiyo Pro Ultra and the Elgato Facecam Pro are the two cameras I keep wanting even as a Vtuber. Resolution and framerate are both key to getting good face tracking on PC and these both look amazing for that. Though no option for 4k 60 on the Kiyo makes me sad.
The 1080p60 mode (since it’s scaled down from 4K) should be more than good enough for face tracking given the clarity and background separation IMO I need to find the right software to set up and effectively do a vtubing benchmark of sorts lol
Pretty impressive Webcam, i still think that SONY and now Panasonic (with the new focus system) could release a APS-C/m43 webcam only oriented body (no stills and waterproof body), specially panasonic since there are some really nice lens out there, that will also help sell m43 lens that have taken some hits with Full frame becoming the real end game, I bet sony/panasonic could sell this body around $500.
5:24 I don't think you got this right. The Sony STARVIS team is proud of doing HDR with a single frame, because this reduces blur. What they are doing is reading the sensor twice on a single frame, but with two different gain settings. If you use consecutive frames, even taken close together, you end up combining two images that aren't entirely the same, which can lead to motion blur.
@@EposVox I would hazard to guess that even if we have same frame capture, that there might still be losses in frame rate due to processing. The time it takes to merge the dual exposure frame needs to be recouped if it can handle it in real time. Take a (dual) frame, process the frame (while skipping the next), display the frame. Etc. But yes, trying to merge HDR with two different frames would be a disaster in terms of quality unless you were running some seriously fast shutter speed and sensor read speeds.
Lets say if i want to use this webcam to show my setup (my pc screen) and equipments..is that possible to focus the pc screen only? So while streaming my viewers can see what i’m doing on my pc screen
Most of them output worse signals than webcams, as it’s just a janky modification of the tethering preview. So super low res, blurry, low frame rate. So sure, if you already have one you could use it, but hardly a justification for spending 2-3x for a worse result if all you want is a webcam.
Razer is a bit of a meme as far as software goes yes, but for the true memers among us, do you have the time to round up the mainstream cameras and evaluate their linux support? I've always wanted to buy a better cam than the c920 since I've put it on a 3d printer but all these bells and whistles of the new cams won't do shit to me if I can't install their poopy proprietary software.
No mic and horrid software. Pass. Kyto pro software was so bad ii refused to recognize 5 usb ports in 1 week. Sent it back. Landfill quality software. I can say that as a firmware/software engineer. Link was much nicer. But AI was glitchy activating ai tracking randomly. Unaccrptable.
I have the previous version of the Razer Kiyo Pro, "only" 1080p, and I am astonished at how sharp the image is. It will immediately betray me if I don't shave every morning! This makes it a nuisance in that regard, ha, ha! But the low light performance is equally amazing. If you can lay your hands on one at a decent price, don't hesitate. 😉👌
🤣 That's why sometimes I love shitty webcams. Not shaving, not moisturizing, not even brushing my long hair, it still look pretty good. I just look like a total hobo with a high quality webcam/camera.
I am genuinely impressed. Webcams have indeed come a long way from the slideshow-like frame rate, "count the pixels" potatocam days of yore. Even in 2022, when supposedly people could have learned how to do video at least a little bit better, I still witnessed all too many online sessions with shitty camera angles, crappy lighting and pixely, washed out images. If only more people outside the streaming community knew or cared about the possibilities... It is not rocket science, really. During the pandemic I have used one of my Sony mirrorless cameras together with an Elgato capture card (and later a Blackmagic Atem) to do all of my meetings, speaking engagements and 1-on-1 sessions and everybody was impressed with the video quality. The setup only takes a little bit of dialing in. You can do so much to improve video beside buying a new camera. Lighting can do wonders, so can sound. Usable and decent sounding condenser mics can be had for as cheap as 50 bucks.
Just be aware that the software is still horrendous. Literally if you do a fresh install of Synapse and change the zoom without any other settings it crashes the app. It completely becomes unresponsive. Also Razor support sucks. I have this webcam. Was moving a couple of things and took the webcam with its mount off the bracket except it broke on the first twist. I contacted Razor support and they said it was my fault and said I should invest in Razor care next time. They also then pointed me to remember to subscribe to their newsletter to save 10 percent on my next purchase. What type of idiotic PR crap is that. Hey we don't honor our warranties unless you pay for an extra service, oh and it is because we just say its your fault. Oh by the way subscribe so you can save on your next purchase with us. This is a $300 webcam. Not some cheapy. Looing online it looks like their support has become garbage over the last year or so. Even more so than it ever was. I guess I should of learned from my two Deathadders that died, my ten keyless keyboard from Razor that the switches developed double presses so bad it was unusable, the LED headphone stand with USB that got so bad right at the 13 month mark that it crashed Windows every few minutes or forced a reboot, I should of learned that their support isn't just bad so are their products most of the time. Not only that the Viper wireless and Orochi V2 wireless along with every wireless device they have made are ridiculous when it comes to connecting to your computer. One port might work then stop working with connection. The Viper worked for a few months fine then all of a sudden no ports on the back of my computer worked. Then I tried a front port which in most cases would never work for something like this and it is the only port I can use my Viper wireless on now. Razor is a joke. People need to stop recommending them. Regardless if their product is good for a month of testing. It sucks long term and their support sucks and doesn't honor warranties.
I don't understand how in 2022 every camera does not have good auto exposure and white balance. Its like monkeys are writing the code. I get how autofocus can be hard but exposure and white balance should be easier.
Hey! Maybe you will see this and maybe you won’t. Could you perhaps do a generational QSV comparison? I’m running an 8th Gen i7 and curious about the quality when streaming via QSV compared to 13th Gen.
I've been using the original Kiyo Pro for the past couple of years and aside from the slight fisheye'ing at the widest angle and Synapse, I've been pretty happy with it. I've been looking at the Facecam Pro for the 4K 60FPS.
One advantage I can see with this webcam, over my Sony RX 100V, is that it won't overheat after 5 minutes in 4K mode. I have to decide if i want to buy a camera with better thermals, or a webcam like this, since I suck at photography anyway! This video is helpful as always. Oh, and if anyone sees my comment, make sure to thumbs up this video at the top area so more of these videos are made. Thank you!
I wish DJI would take their Pocket 3, which already has a webcam mode, ditch battery, gimbal, screen and just sell a pure webcam version of it. that would blow all webcams out of the water, and possibly some mirrorless with kit lenses too.
Actually just picked up an a5100 for a friend for $200. Pairing it with the 16-50 3.5-5.6 ($59 on mpb) and a cheapy $15 capture card and dummy battery makes for super good value. My usual go to is the sony a5000 with a little software tweak to make them output clean 1080p HDMI and can get the full lens+capture card+dummy battery setup with those in the $250-$300 range. The sony 16mm f2.8 lens are all over eBay for $80-$100, great value too. Don't have to go toooo crazy with money to get a decent mirrorless setup, that's for sure. But dang...this webcam is certainly impressive. "Finally" comes to mind. I hope this helps kickstart a trend of higher quality bigger sensor webcams. Competition in this segment would be welcomed. $300 for a webcam is still a tall order.
@@EposVox I agree. Most everywhere I look, I see them for $300-$400 or more body only. I happened to be looking on OfferUp and saw one for $250. Offered $200 and he accepted. I get that some people may not want to deal hunt and that's fine....more for us that do hunt I guess lol. But it's worth the effort.
Love to see a comparison video with Logitech 4k brio as the spec seems to be similar,. Maximum resolution and frame rate: 1080p, 60 FPS and 4K, 30 FPS. (USB 3.0 required. 1080p, 30 FPS is max with 2.0 connection.) Detachable USB 3.0 Type-C to Type-A cable included. 85 inches in length. Field of view: adjustable 90 degrees, 78 degrees, 65 degrees. 2 built in microphones.
I ditched my last Razer camera purely due that lousy, heavy, intrusive, demanding Razer `Synapse` software and hated it so much, have decided NEVER to use Razer ever again as much as I'm tempted to. That software is just garbage (in my experience, at least, with it)
My original kiyo has such crap dynamic range I'm near my window and weather outside varies from really sunny to overcast and I have to keep adjusting the settings because I go from super dark to fully blown out. The auto exposure uses average of the full frame vs my face so I'm always too dark since I also have a window behind me Hoping all this is fixed cause you only revrew in standard lighting it seems
@@bonanzabrandon6877 Personal preference. I've seen many different comparisons and on my own image quality tests, the Insta360 link beats it. No hard feelings.
It definitely is brighter at night. I couldn't get rid of the halos though from street lamps, cars, etc. Even with brightness all the way down. I can see stars, which made me laugh.
What made you choose the A7C over the ZV-E10 or even the ZV-E1? (pretty sure they were both out when this video was made) ... also i'm sure you're aware the A7C2 & A7CR now exist, will you be upgrading?
I can't believe there aren't more reviews that I can find on RU-vid of the Razer Kiyo Pro Ultra yet. Think this is the 3rd or 4th time watching this one just because this is pretty much the only long form review.
I'll second this, color science is great, get some really cool extra features like @EposVox mentioned (the gimble) and it would be easier to work with due to its smaller size and lighter weight. I have the Nexigo Iris and currently one of my challenges with it is the large size and weight. If your a streamer and your using the webcam for a portion of your screen, I doubt you will ever see the difference in quality. If your doing a full screen 4K situation maybe if someone is pixel peeping is where you will start to be able to see a difference, but I doubt enough to be noticeable without a direct A to B comparison. The larger sensor should technically be able to handle low light situations a bit better, but your much better off correcting the lighting situation rather than trying to force it with ISO. Lastly the one thing we really do not see compared, and it would be hard to compare is optics. That really is the main advantage of a DSLR is being able to get the right lens for the job. A lesser sensor will still do better with the right optics, vs a larger sensor with bad optics. One thing we can measure is Aperture. The F1.7 on the Razer is pretty good. Once we finally get down to say F1.4 that is when webcams will really start to stand head 2 head with a DSLR and a prime lens.
In the old days, the maximum for webcams was 640×480 with around 25 FPS and the amount of image compression was different between cameras. Wow, things are changing radically over time...
Interesting. I like my Mokose 12MP and Q2n4k's for extra cameras, cheap and they work fine for not a lot of money... I use 4 cameras into an RGBLink mixer. There seems to be a ton of HDMI out industrial cameras available these days at lower cost.
Interesting stuff. I bought the regular Kyio Pro middle of last year and it, unfortunately, didn't work out of the box. It had issues being detected by OBS on my Macbook Pro and when I tried to use it on my windows machine it ended up bricking.
Bought a Nexigo Iris recently and I'm very happy with it. Settings that don't get erased when you restart your computer are priceless and the sensor was the largest one on a webcam at the time.
I'm so on the fence, if I should buy this camera (350€) or a Sony ZV1F (450€). Until now, I used my phone for overhead Lego streams and I would like to upgrade. The camera quality looks really nice, but I'm afraid of the software. So, what would anyone here say, is it better to invest 100€ more and get an vlogger camera or get the Kiyo Pro Ultra?
Thanks for such a thorough review... I feel like webcams are all over the place in terms of features and quality these days and it's really hard to make a purchasing decision based on specs alone, this was really helpful.
*sweats while holding wallet* I already use 2 mirrorless cameras w/ capture cards for my 2 camera angles (and a wide-angle webcam for a 3rd) AND have a ZV1 I could hook up as well, I don't need this, I don't need this, I don't need this, I don't need this... but I want it
Glad I didn't hop on the Facecam Pro train, but despite the large sensor the Link is still so good despite being "inferior" hardware. I can only imagine what they might be able to do once they also upgrade their hardware to compete with all the new products. Also being a tech person, a gamer person, etc who has worked with, reviewed, and used Razer products for a long time. It's good to see that this is fairly priced, as usually there is "Razer" tax on most of their products.
When CD movies first came out (yes, I'm that old) I told the Mom & Pop video rental store clerk, who must have been around 16, that, pointing at the "Be Kind, Rewind, Or we'll charge you $2" sign, that I couldn't figure out how to rewind the CD. She looked at the sign, looked at me, and said, "I still have to charge you $2."
Got a few comments here (and questions). First I'd like to mention, that some of the "full cameras" also have their issues. I got the Sony ZV1, which I bought for like 600€ which got a whole bunch of issues: 4k is cropped in, Field of view is bad, Blacks/Grain are terrible and that is with a very low F (I got several lights set up, If I used monitor lights only I would need to use an ISO of like 1000-2000), if you set F higher it becomes even worse. In addition if you use 4k on hdmi you get: Huge picture delay (delay in OBS for sound is therefore mandatory), also hdmi 4k is 24p only (30p only works without hdmi), facetracking not available (only on 1080p). Furthermore the camera doesnt save the manually set focus upon switching it off and on, meaning either you have to set it EVERY TIME, or you just set it to autofocus and accept the pulsing. So it sounds to me that the Kiyo Pro Ultra pretty much has none of these issues, am I correct? Well, maybe besides of the Focus length, which I think hasn't been mentioned in this video. I'd actually like to have my background visible (which is about 70cm behind me), though it doesnt need to be 100% sharp. So while others rave about a bokeh, I actually dislike having that. I got a huge game collection in the background and I dont want to just blur it into a total mess. ^^ I am only familiar with the logitech software, which is horrible and forgets everything upon PC restart. I guess the Razer software is at least better than that? I know that synapse has its issue though. I worked in tech support and troubleshooting usually included uninstalling synapse. In the video you also showed the noise reduction active, which seems to be a cool feature, but comparisons would be nice. Also this is something which might not come across very well on youtube unless you zoom in a lot, as youtube itself "smoothes" out some grain as a compression side effect. I was already looking into buying a new camera which doesnt have the flaws I mentioned (it just needs to record 4k 30fps (hdmi!) in decent lighting, decent fov, and be able to have a static focus on PC/Cam restart), and I was already looking at cameras beyond the 1500€ price point. Sounds like this webcam might be the more sane choice (also I wouldnt feel half as bad sending it back to amazon if it sucked)
Have you had any experience with the zf1f? I picked up the zv1 because I was mostly interested in making vlogs, shorts, and diy build videos ATM. Did you run into the same issues with power while streaming with it? It's also pretty awkward to turn it on into streaming mode but I've contacted Sony CS in order to get it added to the firmware, but probably needs a few more people asking. I've heard the zv1f is better suited to streaming with it's wider FOV, and if it fixes the power issues it'd be pretty boss. I was pretty happy with the zv1 fov as a camera, but it's zoom leaves a little to be desired, but maybe that's cause I haven't played with the 4k capability just yet. But it does crop in a little just on video mode, but not sure it's necessary to be in video mode for HDMI capture. If you're still interested in using the zv1, there's an aftermarket wider angle lens.
@@HonestAuntyElle I have not been using USB Streaming as the quality is much worse. But generally, yes, power consumption is high and afaik if you stream via USB it uses more power than it gets via USB. Power consumption is generally bad. If whole USB is used for power only and use hdmi it works. Or you need to use a dummy battery. Which the ZV1 has no room for (you need to buy a cage), afaik the ZV1 new version ZV1F changed to a different location. The HDMI actually forces you into several settings. It doesnt really leave you the options of going different modes or even different framerates. Also several other settings are basically disabled once you go hdmi.
Great video! At the end you mention just saving up for a camera which I have been wanting to get the M200 but just don't wanna spend $100 on Elgato Cam Link what are some capture card alternatives I could go with once I get it?
Just bought mine refurbished with warranty for $209 to replace my current Kiyo Pro. So I have a question, I own a Evga Xr1 Pro capture card for my ps4 pro, can I utilize it into my streaming setup either with my standalone streaming rig (12700k/XTXH XFX 6900xt/32gb ddr5) or if I wanted to dual system stream would I be able to use my soon to be put on the market/sold 13500/3060ti/32gb ddr4 System I have on hand?
interesting video, you seem to have alot of different settings including iso and noise reduction and so on in the synapse, that does not show in in synapse on the Kiyo Pro sadly :) ime using the kiyo pro right now and sometimes experience noise and grains in darker arears. wich it seems you have none of , even though you have it alot darker but that might be do to those extra settings that i sadly do not have. i testet today and seems i get even more noise if i turn on HDR in synapse so i turned that off. do you think the kiyo pro ultra is worth the money / upgrade, if i already got the kiyo pro ?
Hey brother, I record using OBS on a rig with an i7-7700K and an Nvidia RTX 3080. I record high resolution long-format gaming videos, and I am just wondering if there is anything I could do to save myself from uploading such huge files. Currently I record in MP4 with the NVENCH H.264 using CQP 17 using the Quality preset. I have attempted rendering my videos in DaVinci Resolve and converting to h.265 on rendering, but I am never satisfied with tone mapping/reduction in video quality post-rendering.
Would you say it's similar in latency to a DSLR with a capture card, for example, if you wanted to sync an Audio Interface to replace the Webcam audio?
Appreciate these videos @EposVox - are you aware of any reasonable workflow where one can record a webcam via OBS in a format that supports true transparency (alpha)? I have some hosting requirements and while I can place a chromakey compliant image layer behind the hosting segments to pull later via Premiere, that introduces so much more edge noise and other quality degradation that it is off putting. I believe this is an OBS record file format support issue more than a camera issue but if anyone else had thought about it I thought it might be you. Thanks!
how can you get 4, 4k cameras running at the same time in the same machine? I barely can make 5 run with a special PCIE card with USB 2.0 independent channels. Is there a card that can handle 4 usb 3 cameras?
Great vid, very helpful! I hope RAZER listens to your gripes...I get it, we software guys can only do so much in a given time. LOTS of updates to the firmware will generate huge confidence! Hear me RAZER? Be well!
Just wondering since it’s been a few months, have there been some improvements with Razer Synapse? I’m primarily concerned about settings not properly saving or carrying over to OBS. Thanks!
The colours and saturation look really nice. I do however feel that it lacks detail on the skin. You look a little washed out. Like there’s no pours or blemishes which is what makes you look natural.
I stream board games, and as such, I have a LOT of cameras in my setup. I tried a mirrorless camera for the "hero" top-down shot of the table for a little bit, but found a cheap PTZ USB-compatible camera was way better bang-for-buck. And the AVerMedia 513s I'm using for facecams and flavor angles are fantastic for their simplicity, ease of use, and the quality they provide at such a great price. So I'm firmly in the webcam camp and I really appreciate you continuing to cover the advancements in that space
I'm still happy with elgato cause of the software saving alone. I can just boot up, open obs, stream, or go to online classes without adjusting each time. I had logitech webcams for a long time.
I have the kiyo pro I love everything about it but I hate that I can't control the settings in razors program while in obs or another program if they can fix this it would be a excellent camera.
I find it very weird how Elgato is the only one that sells this camera. You can't buy it anywhere else. There are also dozens of "refurbished" ones being sold on ebay & some other refurbish sellers.
