I know. It's doing the opposite of making me more attracted to the girls. Manon got introduced as the beautiful girl with no talent. And that indian girl (sorry don't remember her name yet) got introduced as the snobby vocal queen who thinks she's better than everyone else. They showed she had to learn how to sing as part of a team and not a soloist. But didn't address whether she actually learned to be more humble. Are they expecting me to like someone like her? Seems she's just there temporarily to get famous so she can launch her own solo career.
Fun fact: this kind of drama happened to all your favorite girl groups. It just did not caught on cam during their trainee period. No one will be as perfect as you can imagine, including yourself, i believe, ever made mistakes and grow from it. Katseye members they are just fine now, you all are just too much. What you are watching is something that is very close to everybody's reality.
The main difference is that I don't think Manon would've made it in the group if the decision was up to the crew, and I honestly think the people that voted for her need to realize how superficial they were to keep her in the group. They were warned her skill set wasn't good enough and called everyone racist for pointing it out. I don't know about the higher exec, but the crew member that said Manon is arrogant and has an attitude obviously wasn't being racist when Manon just wasn't following the rules or being a team player. I don't buy that it was a cultural difference, have numerous foreign friends throughout Europe that would still take rules seriously.
@@NickaLah you have to understand, for someone like her who has no idea what idol schedules are like and know what to expect, kpop training schedules are indeed borderline inhumane and if one doesn't know it's the norm, they wouldn't think they could sit out cuz they are feeling unwell or sore. They aren't machines, it's really hard to actually have the drive or even understand why the others are putting as much effort as they are. And if you actually watched the documentary, you would see that she realized the mismatch in expectations and gave her everything when she did. it's showing such a raw part of her improvement from not really knowing what she's getting into to truly understanding what this job actually entails.
@@tantandance she didn’t realize it. The other girls called her out on it. And it wasn’t the schedule. She literally said she realize she doesn’t need to be as good as the other girls and a would be able to debut on star quality alone. Right after that she said she was skipping practice.
@@Xarax123-k1y except no one did until she actually initiated the talk, unless this was cut out from the documentary, but all she knew was people were talking about it behind her back and she didn't understand why because others were missing pracs too. The behavior that you mentioned makes sense for when this program wasn't a survival show, which she talks about as well. I don't remember the part where she said that she could debut on star quality alone but feel free to let me know where she said this. Honestly to me, just like the other girls, I am okay with her because clearly she realized her mistake and made up for them by putting in a lot more effort than she did before, and no matter how much I try to deny it, her star quality was impeccable compared to the other girls so I'm not surprised and understand why she made it. She's made a lot of progress from debut to touch, and I see her as a very important asset to this group.
I feel like those who are overacting, did not finish watching all the episodes. They just react to one dumb segment and started posting hate in social media lol.
I have noticed that Bang Si-Hyuk seems to know what he talks about, but the kpop world is too consumed with hate for him to take notice. Last year, 2023 he said the data shows kpop is declining and kpop fans cursed at him, draged him to hell and back, well, it's half year 2024 and kpop is declining in everything, album sales, streams, etc. And now the same pple who were bashing him for the statement are now writing articles about the decline of kpop😂😂hate him or not the guy has been in the industry for more than 20yrs, he's invested alot into data and technology, he knows what he's saying.
This. He also said that katseye/dream academy was a tryout. They knew it not going to be a success project (unless something out of the ordinary happened) but they tried and wanted to learn from the mistakes. Which honestly, makes sense. It’s just nasty when you think that you’re working with humans and their dreams there 🙃
I mean thats just with the change in internet culture, the kpop industry isnt doing anything new but still trying to stay relevant and I think that brings up big expectations and when its not what fans expected well.. you see the result. Ive noticed to but how lots of kpop songs that were released this year arent high up in trending unless youre a famous group, as compared to a few years ago you just had to make a good song fans would engage with, companies are losing the sight.
I get hybe is shady but he’s not wrong kpop did boom in 2019-2022 ish and now it’s experiencing a slope and it will never most likely be mainstream even bts really isn’t. And having a star quality personality is just as important as actually having talent like u need to be interesting to get fans to stay humans like not boring people lol
Fr I don't get why netizens are bashing hype CEO for what he said, cuz let's be real no matter how talented you're as an idol if you don't have the chrisma or stage presences , you're not not gonna shine , someone less talent than you but with a strong charisma and good stage presences will get more notice than you who's the talented one, look at lisa ,jihyo, wonyoung or jungkook they're mostly known for their powerful stage presences living fans wowed. Fact is fact
Right like if you’re the most talented but have the personality of a dry wall most people aren’t gonna tune in including me I also like my favs to show their personality too
At the end of the day, we, the consumer of the entertainment industry, refuse to accept this harsh reality, that behind what we are enjoying is business. Bang is just being honest telling the truth of something you are not ready you listen to.
Facts, people refuse to believe that this is what the industry actually is like in the rawest form that I have seen so far, possible a lot less toxic than what actual kpop groups go through. It's not the fault of a few girls that it's like this.
@@maneater3491 MANON BEING IN THE GROUP IS NOT A PROBLEM. Yes, dream academy didn't have any fully black trainees, but let's not take that out on Manon. That's a problem that the company needs to fix so stop being a keyboard warrior and keep that shit in ur thoughts unless you're gonna take it up with hybe.
"some" katseye stans are so toxic in racist already they go so hard to defend there favs everyone already calling members slurs all the members already have solo fans and some kpop fans are so racists before the members even came out didn't make since i know i saw a comment that said "why is a black girl here" likeee what
I already know it’s about to get worse, they’re gonna take a few random ppl who don’t even stan Manon or the group and use that to be racist to her bc a small selection was defending her. (For what? Idrk) I understand the anger of the other contestants but I hate how ppl are ignoring how she made up for it, it’s not like she didn’t listen to them or ignored their words. The little bit that the fandom is, has already been divided and are becoming extremely hateful and racist.
@@BabyDanny_ yesss i was thinking the same i find it crazy people was excusing people being raciest they only talked about the bad and didn't talk about she make up for it but if there was there fav they would been like get over it she made up for it they forgave each other and hate people try to invalidating her feelings because she said they mad her feel like she didn't belong there and lara did laugh behind her back there was division and a little bit of bullying which is not right everyone had a right to feel how they felt but it didn't have to be like that.... i feel like the team new what they were doing trying to have mess in the group to catch more audience it was a literally a comment on manon post saying ofc the" black one was lazy" like whatt but it got deleted
@@lolpoop7685 Yea definitely, it’s not looking too good for them rn and I hate that bc so far their music is good. And this documentary has made a huge mess, a lot of ppl are already unstanning and are losing their excitement for them.
About itzy, I think many people thought they would go full blown blackpink and that’s why they are complaining. Itzy fans are mainly people who came into kpop because of BTS and blackpink, and called itzy 4th gen leaders when 4th gen gg had just started. So that’s what they expected and didn’t get. Now they want itzy to change instead of standing a group that makes music they like. I’m not a stand, but I like many of itzys releases
I’m still watching the documentary. But what surprised me was that Missy said she was trying to not over sexualize the girls. I’m interested to see what happened cuz it seems like they abandoned that idea
Bruh, I was thinking the same thing! Is the "trying not to over sexualize the girls" anywhere in the building right now?? Cause it's damn sure not in the room with us 💀💀
Seriously especially when they dropped the buttons by pussycat dolls dance/song Like uhhhhh that entire group was based on burlesque dancing uhhhhhh like she said over 18 but the rest were watching and the youngest was like 13 or 14 uhh ew
1: KATESEYE DOCUMENTARY OPINION: This was such a bad move. They should've waited until later in the group's career to release something like this. Now, the fandom is likely to be overrun with solo stans and akgaes. Hybe really needs to reconsider their approach with these documentaries because right now, they’re doing more harm than good. It almost seems like they’re stirring up drama on purpose, following the idea that any attention is good attention. Two years ago, they filmed these teen girls, who truly needed someone safe to talk to about complicated emotions, and gave them a "psychologist"-only to have those private conversations filmed and then broadcasted. Hiding the competitive aspect from the contestants was already deceitful and cruel, but this crossed a line. By not being upfront with the girls, Hybe damaged the relationships within the group and among the contestants. It feels like both Hybe and Geffen were willing to risk the girls’ reputations just to get more buzz for the show. It’s clear that no one involved is truly at fault, and it’s heartbreaking to see Manon being scapegoated for an unfair setup. It’s also wrong for Sophia and Lara to be hated just for showing their emotions. People always want idols to be authentic, but then they criticize them for being human. Honestly, I’ve always wondered how you go from training in direct competition with each other to suddenly being in a group with people you might not even get along with. It must be really tough, especially if someone you liked more or thought was more talented didn’t make the cut. Even without the survival show, trainees live together, and then, all of a sudden, they’re expected to get along perfectly and form a strong team dynamic. It’s a huge challenge to go from rivalry to unity so quickly.
Hybe thinks all their group have BTS charisma and it is not. They filmed a lot of BTS interactions but after they were a more or less well integrated group and the public received well that material but that is not the truth. I do not watch anything from Hybe except BTS and from time to time TxT and Enhypen. The rest is even more a fluke for me, still, as a K-Pop consumer I have noticed how they are trying to replicate BTS formula with their new groups and it is exploding in their faces one after the other. First it was the gasslight from Ador, then the constant refusal to acknowledge the mess that leaded to Coachella, and now this. This women are not BTS, women do not have the same dinamycs nor the same support, we are a lot more scrutiniced than men in many aspects, they can not be managed in the same way that their boys groups and there is were I will give Kudos to the managers of Illit, they are the only ones that have go front and hard to defend their girls and show some respect to them. I hope the rest of Hybe learn from them.
I on the other hand loved pop academy and I fell even more in love with Katseye, they should exactly what needed to be shown, the bad the good and the growth, also this documentary worked Katseye are getting a lot of attention and their monthly listeners are up to 5million and counting
I don't think you CAN'T "learn" charisma. Look at Winter for example. In rookie days she was that "borning" idol, but now she's nailing it! She's needed some experience. Talent IS necessary. People with vocal talent can sing better than a lot of 4th gen idols. If you are an idol, you have to possess some skills, otherwise you're just BACKUP DANCER.
Hybe knows what they are doing. Look, they are talk of the town now. Marketing is working. The girls moved on and matured now with what happened during the competition
I was waiting for your thoughts. Here is mine I don’t know why hybe thought this was good idea cus now the fandom that’s not even secure is split and people already leaving or saying they don’t wanna support the group either because of toxic Manon fans or believing Sophia and Lara are bullies when most people pushing this didn’t even watch the full doc, let alone any of it. I also don’t know who told them to not tell the girls this was gonna be a survival show cus the way Lexie looked like she was having a mental break down during mission two-
@@sanainthesky it's not really messy it got messier when black 🦍🦍 started their propaganda to hate Sophia and Lara now the tables have turned, people are now dropping the support 😂😂😂
Just to correct you on a first point a bit, Manon wasn’t the only one missing practices, nor did she have the most amount of missed practices and she always made it up by taking notes and correcting herself. They just weren’t close to her and giving the fact that she was the last person to join; they just took out their frustrations on her. Could they have very well only been upset about the missing practices? Sure! But it was definitely deeper than that imo. They made up by the end of the documentary though and that’s all that matters.
You can also see the favoritism that being showed by the staff over Manon. They are being lenient with her, allowing her to stay outside the training camp house for the reason that she just wasnt comfortable living in the house and she literally said that living with the girls is so hard. Princess treatment ey?? From there on, she keeps missing and missing practices that the other girls started complaining about her work etiquette. Even Missy told that if she can remove Manon from the group, she would because of her work etiquette. You can evidently see this in the first 10 mins of episode 5 of the docu.
@@chicharongbulaklak2805 Me and my sister genuinely think that when they first saw Manon they already made up their mind that she was gonna be in the group. Like you said she didnt have to live in the house, she missed practices, she was privately trained for months, and she was the only one that they reached out to that didnt sing or dance. I think they already decided she was gonna be the visual of the group and they chose members based around her. She also was the only one that genuinely believed that they were gonna be in the group.
Her fans got so toxic after the documentary dropped and went after Megan, Sophia, Dani and Lara for voicing out their frustrations on Manon’s poor work ethics. They went so far as to call them jealous when Sophia and Lara literally ranked 1st and 2nd during the survival show and Megan and Dani ranking 1st and 2nd during training evaluations. The other girls and judges loved them and they were most likely to debut in the group so there was nothing for them to be jealous about.
@@OGseoulite How am i keeping tabs i watched their survival show when it aired. The person i liked didnt debut so i didnt stan the group. I didnt watch the docu series either lol
The thing that people forget when it comes to katseye is that people need to see the whole documentary to understand that they already sorted that stuff out. There’s a thing in the entertainment industry is even if you get bad publicity people will still look you up and listen to your stuff because they are curious the group if they have never heard of. Cause if you look at their Spotify and RU-vid videos views have increased.
I actually really like that the documentary showed EVERY side of the process, the good, the bad and the ugly. The fights, the making up, the differences in opinions and personalities, the chemistry of the contestants. The growth! Sometimes I see groups who's image is so controlled and framed in a way that the members chemistry don't even seem real. It's as if they are painted with zero flaws 24/7, never allowed to have disagreements with each other or management and it just seems...disingenuous. I want to watch underdogs and rivals rise up and overcome. I also appreciated that the documentary showed the dark side of the training! It's truly not for the faint of heart. It really showed the endurance of the human spirit, and if people believe that the members do not have the capacity to forgive each other, squash their beef, and learn to love each other for their individuality...did we even watch the same documentary?
I completely disagree. I mean, this channel has the freedom to speak their opinion and so do we all, so I'm just gonna say it - we can gripe and moan about how bad we think the documentary was, but at the end of the day, the people who made it are skilled, successful professionals, and all of us here are nothing but spectators. Our opinion still matters of course, we are the consumers, the target market, but I feel like the hate is unwarranted. I really liked the documentary. It made me realize what a judgy b*tch I can be. Like for example, I didn't like Emily at all. I didn't hate her, but I watched her in Wannabe and went "nope" without giving her a second thought. And then I see the documentary and realize how hard she worked to get there, how talented she actually is, and then now I wish she was in the group, but it's too late, my judgy a** already wrote her off for no good reason. It was eye opening for me. I thought it was great.
K-pop stans in the comment section are arguing about who favs is better, twisting themselves into pretzel to defend their favs scandals and controversies and lives in an alternate K-pop coma, and im here for the drama. LMFAO
Strategic Marketing or not ...I've notice that Katseye is getting good attention. Their song just enter BB. I've also seen some locals talking about them, hope they succeed.
you’re so right abt the manon situation. the other girls are not mean girls manon just didn’t realize how serious this really was cause she herself said that it was a “school” where she thought missing a few practices was okay and she owned up to her mistakes and apologized. tho i think the girls could’ve handled it better and tried to talk to her abt it instead of talking behind her back and i think that’s what ppl are mad about but they’ve clearly moved on
3:33 MANON IS NOT A KPOP FAN AND DIDNT KNOW ABOUT ALL THOSE PROCESS AND ETC, THEY BEGGED HER TO BE IN THE GROUP AND THOSE GIRLS WERE JEALOUS CUZ SHE WAS MORE POPULAR THAN THEM....CHOREOS ARE NOT THAT HARD LOL
@@MeiHeart1she received a lot of hate and raycist comments in the beginning tho...yes she has pretty privilege but she's still blk at the end of the day and unfortunately certain kpop stans have a problem with that.
They showed the raw and drama and they are getting way more attention already and the vocals and talent of this group is insane you they already entered on billboard top 119 songs from their album sis 🔥
I just finished the documentary. It was a . Somber moment. I felt like these girl sold their soul for stardom. That documentary just squashed any interest I had in seeing them become superstars.
@@Xarax123-k1y and it’s sad bc they’re really talented. From the clips and videos I’ve seen they can really sing but unfortunately this documentary did no justice for them.
7:08 The first group that came to mind was NMIXX. I thoroughly enjoy their music but everytime I try to watch a performance, I get so bored cause it always feels more like watching a talent show than a performance. I'd rather just listen to the performance instead because they are undeniably vocally talented.
4:09 lol. ITZY’s songs gets better every comeback. We’re just asking for better promotion because only sending them on music shows for 3-4 weeks isn’t promoting a comeback. 5:20 having 100-200k people waiting to buy a concert ticket for a venue with a capacity of 7-20k seats for the second world after dealing with the same problem from the first world tour the year before
If that's so then when fan call theme goat they can't make excuses about they just debuted since we normalize looks over talent then expect they get hate comment.
For the storyline they needed a protagonist and antagonist, it's all for the drama, which they said it up front and they want the audience to view it as a behind the scenes video. They are distancing themselves from the traditional kpop strategy and i hope they keep doing that. Better to struggle in the West for a year than to appeal to an audience who treat you as if they own you.
I always see kpop stans saying how bad the documentary was for the members when in reality it only brought more attention to the group and now look their streams are increasing. Metric wise the docuseries did not hurt katseye.
3. The main things that are triggering the "Itzy Mismanagement" email chain is the two information that people found out: - Yeji was offered a brand ambassadorship but the company rejected the offer - ITZY is not showcased in the JYP video thingey But I agree that we do not have all the information so there may be other reasons (e.g. Yeji doesn't like the company possibly)
What these companies also need to do is try to get government funds so if trainees do fuck up or idols do partake in the odd crime it can't or shouldn't affect the rest of the group. I also think foreigners are only brought in to be a useful bad marketing puppet there's hardly much difference between that and western pop so they might as well do western pop as kpop isn't going to cater to every foreigners needs. Its a shame idols can't date and be an idol as I do think despite some certain idols crimes, I think there's still some nice ones there that just don't get the chance to have fulfilling relationship separate from their idol image.
i think the decu gain them support.. and manon is really the visual that the girl need and now i realize why she was never kick but if lexie never quit i think she will win over manon..
Hybe strategy worked the marketing level 🔥 as Eyekons predicted from the show itself is well planned and executed the documentary created lot of buzz and they showed how talented they are not only katseye girls whole da girls got opportunity to show themselves on main stream and getting huge support which really helps them in achieving their dreams and katseye is definitely on charts now that's how it worked definitely huge amount of people watching and supporting them now
I always thought their interaction seemed forced and fake to me .but i just thought i was over thinking. But honestly after i saw the documentary i was right 😅
I seriously don't know why montizes are upset over jisoo supporting Ella, Ella was close with Blackpink member even before baemon dreamt of debuting. They've personal connection to Ella compared to company related connection with Baemon, so it make sense for jisoo to support Ella besides Lisa , Jennie and rosé were mentors to Baemon with Lisa even gifting the Baemon Thai members with a signed album. At this point y'all montizes are overreacting 🤦
@@enemynumber-zm3ug😂 well, these K-pop stan can whine and cry about it. 90% of these K-pop stan already hate XG from the start anyways. So.... I wouldn't worry about bringing hate to XG. ❤
BSH is right, but it would've been nice if kpop fans didn't lean into the superficiality when they had a chance to vote for more talented girls. I guess i'm understanding more why some people don't like pop music if charisma is enough to shut out truly talented people. Granted, I never got the hype around Manon.
The documentary shows the reality on how training goes! Why all the h@+e? You are making it look like a bad move when in fact it makes people like me for example who did not follow survival shows to connect with the overall project! The only thing I did not like was that they did not clarify from the beginning how the group will be formed but out of that the training was good, the performance was good, and the quality as well..
I agree! Why would Hybe let this edit go out into the world? Especially after Katseye's first body of work drops. Like the promo was going great until this shitstorm. 2nd, I need folks to figure out what Star Quality how do you measure that? I do believe it can be taught because look at Motown..half of motown's big artist had to be taught to be stars
4. I agree u should have talent but u cant teach charisma or u cant teach them how to have star power people were calling all hybe grps talentless just bc of this statement which pissed me off bc hello not all of them are talentless and the ones yall call talentless are actually talented and he is right like u need to have charisma and stage presence to be interesting and popular
4. No he’s not right, this is the very reason why people stay on Sakura’s neck. Charisma without the skills or talent to back it up, Hybe idols might as well be glorified models if that’s how he sees them.
Skills can be developed, the only problem I see is Hybe/Bang PD is giving total freedom to the idols about their development and that is were all can go down fast with them, exactly for what happened with that group. And I will not belive any single "live" of them until they make a raw encore. SoMu has tried to save face to many times for any "improvement" without safetybvoices to be beliavable.
3. They are not mistreated, but I have to agree that they have a horrible direction, as for solo projects, JYP has a history of not promoting their girls solo (who have great potential), for me they simply waste potential, I don't think they know how to deal with the possibility of a "next Suzy"
Some fans seems to be unable to comprehend the fact that real life is different than what their kp0p idols show them and then they get hit with docus like these and loose all their shit , the girls were not informed about a survival show so they felt manipulated , it was a whole 360 degree which made the environment so toxic , plus they're under a lot pressure cause suddenly to them talent didn't matter as soon as fans started voting , and i'm not saying that manon was wrong , what she did was actually kinda valid , since she thought they're gonna debut based on talent , it was garunteed that she won't debut because of her low skill set so she stopped putting any effort until she saw that maybe fans can actually give her a spot so she started trying , even i wouldn't put any effort if i know that I'm not gonna end up debuting , anyways what's cringe is ya'll taking some actions of 15-18 year old teens under constant pressure and a toxic competitive environment out of proportions that is even 2 years later . I'm pretty sure everyone in their mother from that whole program have moved on , but suddenly these fans are defending manon from hate that she received years ago ? It's kinda like hybe knows that their audience is stupid enough to stir up drama about stuff that happened 2 years ago and used it as an marketing strategy , cause who cares if the fandom is divided , as long as it's gaining attention , because their album literally got a huge stream boost as soon as the docu dropped .
you do realise that people have been using AI voices before it became more and more talked about right? Siri for iphones for example. Siri is literally an AI voice 💀
Bang-shiyuk is right even you are less talent but you have charissma you have sparke in the fans you b came famous more k-pop like this except for BTS with talent and charissma full package.
I mean it’s a reality tv show so I’d take anything especially drama with a grain of salt just like any mnet or mbc survival show since they’re obviously known to be dramatized for views. I’m not saying everything was fake but I’m sure some stuff was scripted and/ or edited
Thank you for pointing out that all the other girls had a right to be upset with Manon. I think the people still criticizing her do so because we're still upset our faves were cut instead of someone that didn't act like they really wanted the opportunity until the competition was almost over. It also doesn't help that she acted far worse than even her detractors expected. I mostly thought she just wasn't skilled enough and her visuals weren't enough to make up for it, but to find out she missed numerous practices and the way she did it? She was chlling by her aunt's pool in L.A. and flippantly goes, "I don't think I'll go to practice today." When she was perfectly fine. So keep in mind some of this is new info, and I'm sure it'll die down anyway. It also seems like she doesn't really need this opportunity to help support her family, if anything they seem well off to me. Her aunt's home was very nice for L.A. and she definitely isn't poor like several of the girls that could've used the opportunity more. I feel bad for the other girls in the group with her and the ones that got cut that really should've made far into the competition. Yeah, they might act like they put it behind themselves, but what do you expect them to do when the fans made it clear how badly they wanted her in the group? I was actually hoping the people that voted for her realized how superficial they are for doing so. But of course they're making it seem like she was bullied instead fcs. Maybe we these shows just need to stop, I don't really trust kpop fans to choose wisely lol
I mean at the end of day Manon was scouted directly by the crew because they saw her visuals, charisma, and they saw talent that had the opportunity to be improved on (it was said so in the documentary). I feel that maybe the expectations were not accurately displayed to her (as she wasn’t a k pop fan before this nor did she know how rigorous training was) she was literally a famous Pinterest girl who happened to sing and liked music. But look at her now, she took accountability for her mistakes, and now she’s in the group. The girls are all doing great and I’m rooting for all of them.
@@ToriJimacheuWhich is a perfect example as to why you should know, comprehend and understand what you’re getting yourself into before diving headfirst into something 😗 its literally common sense! But common sense isn’t that common obviously. No hate to her or any of the katseye people tho.
@@pxmpkxn6163Yes, and it’s the responsibility of the entity or company at hand to relay those standards properly to a bunch of teenage girls. Not telling them it was a survival show until last minute, and scouting teenage girls (at the time) online without properly relaying to them the cultural and procedural ethics of the program is a recipe for disaster. I’m just saying this all could have been avoided but at least these girls were able to make it through together and that’s all that matters.
4. The examples you gave have passion to carry their music. They have amazing skills with their individual star factor. These kpop groups need SKILLS more than charisma. Maybe a balance between the two. Example: Chen from EXO. His skills make him relevant, not his charisma (unlike KAI) Only having "staying power" with bad skills is another LSF situation. Maybe all of HYBE groups at this point.
It’s different for each person since nobody claiming u can’t have both or have more skill than star quality but people like attention grabbers. U can have skill but if u aren’t interesting and attention grabbing even with your skill then people won’t care as much. Even with lsfm the skills are overall decent outside of vocals being unstable but lsfm situation isn’t bad. They are always talked about cus the whole group is captivating even if u hate them you still watch.
Lol LSF does not have star power 😂 come on now the girls are nothing new in the industry a true star power idol is Jennie LSF does not have an it factor that’s why new jeans were beating them in records and popularity
@@Bochi_red can't you read? I said "staying power" not "star power". And it has nothing to do with breaking records and popularity, its the group dynamics and their longetivity which thanks to HYBE, LSF will have. Plus Jennie is overhyped and overrated af, "star power" or not
1 : KATSEYE DOCUMENTARY wasn't catering to K-pop fans cause yall are dumb and baby. Adela was valid, and people who were outside of K-Pop understood her frustration about being told that hard work pays off. Since Manon has been there, coaches that tore them apart kept using Manon's name to blame her. They had no other adults to believe or to look up to other than Missy and Nikki, who were bashing Manon and blaming her. Then it is announced that they are in a survival show and they learn the tough way that it's not about talent anymore but prettiness. It's so funny how kpop stan talk about bad moves when the West actually loves that. All those Korean survival shows are the same, but you believe it's evil editing. And also contrary to Dream Academy, Contestant in Survival Show know they are in one, unlike Dream Academy. + Everyone wants to forget that most of them were high-school drop out and told they'll get in the group with hard work. 2: Xg trainees were told to not post and one of them posted and got kept at the end just to be cut off from the lineup ooh- and I'm sure they wanted to eliminate Naisha and waited for the perfect moment to do it. 3 : Jyp idols are not mismanaged. 4 : That's why they kept Abby in Dream Academy cause yeah, she might be lacking in everything, but she has that star quality and she'll get bigger one day.
They’re under one of the biggest Korean music companies, have a Korean member, and a fanbase in Korea. To some degree, whether you like it or not, they’re kpop.
@@rohansengupta1028 are they being decently promoted in Korea? Are their videos being posted on the Hybe YT channel? Hybe PARTNERED with Geffen for this group. BSH may have acquired other companies, but those companies definitely run their own stuff independently. Buying was just a business move.
