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Unproductive Discipleship Methods 

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What has the modern church done that has led to unproductive and unbiblical discipleship methods?
According to Paul Washer, one of these methods is mass motivation through conferences. These events often stir up emotions and fire up attendees to walk more closely with Christ, promising radical transformation. However, when the participants return to their daily lives, they often find themselves back where they started, sometimes even more disillusioned than before. This cycle can be demoralizing and doesn't lead to sustainable spiritual growth.
True discipleship, Washer argues, is not complex but requires discipline. It involves being part of a community where the Word of God is expounded, leaders exemplify the life of Christ, and disciples are taught not just to read and study the Bible, but shown how. Similarly, they should not just be told to pray, but taught how to pray effectively. Other elements of the church, like the Lord's Supper, baptism, and the community of brothers and sisters in Christ, are all mechanisms designed by God to create disciples. Unfortunately, these simple but difficult methods are often overshadowed by the spectacle of large-scale events that promise quick results but deliver little.
2 Timothy 2:2 (NKJV): 'And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.'

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@spiritman-em4qr
@spiritman-em4qr 11 месяцев назад
When I was first saved, my pastor personally took me under his wing and took it upon himself to disciple me one on one. We met in his office faithfully, once a week (Thursday nights) for 3 months. I walked out of those meetings having a full understanding of the gospel, and having the ability to boldly and confidently proclaim the gospel to others. I cherish those times with him, and I will never forget the impact that his personal investment in growing me in biblical maturity had on me.
@athenaparish72
@athenaparish72 11 месяцев назад
With the right pastor this can happen.
@leightonsimmonds6795
@leightonsimmonds6795 11 месяцев назад
But what if u can't fine a real pastor? Where I am I can say every pastor I know r so messed up. If I don't come online I can't see r hear real pastors.
@spiritman-em4qr
@spiritman-em4qr 11 месяцев назад
@@leightonsimmonds6795 I know how blessed and fortunate I am to have found such a godly man early in my walk with Christ, and I know how difficult it can be to find a competent biblical teacher who has the time to devote to discipleship. I understand that such men are rare and can be difficult to find. I'm sorry that you've had the experience of not being able to find such a man, and I pray that you will continue your search, in humility, to find such a man (or men). See 2 Timothy 2:1-2. This all presumes that you yourself are a man, and if you're a woman then I commend you to find godly women to lend their and care time in discipling you, rather than men. I have a few questions (ask them of yourself) that will help you uphold your end of the matter regarding discipleship. Do you read your bible daily? Do you pray regularly? Are you involved with godly Christian believers on a regular basis (bible study, prayer group, worship)? There's no substitute for good Christian fellowship and personal, one-on-one time with God through His Word and prayer. The Holy Spirit is the best teacher of all. See John 14:26
@uslanja
@uslanja 11 месяцев назад
​@@leightonsimmonds6795it can be a very long and weary search for a body that glorifies, worships and teaches about our almighty God in fellowship and love. We are told that the path is hard and the gate is narrow. There are some wonderful online pastors who exposit and rightly divide the Word. But in all things, trust God for our Lord says that He will be with us slways.
@grafxgrl8030
@grafxgrl8030 11 месяцев назад
That’s so rare. What we all would not give to have that.
@armyguy4124
@armyguy4124 3 месяца назад
A wise man chooses his words carefully. He is not slow in delivery, he is aware that every word spoken is accountable.✝️
@terrytulipane6916
@terrytulipane6916 5 месяцев назад
He's right. It's difficult to impossible to remain motivated alone.
@miriamtalavera5015
@miriamtalavera5015 11 месяцев назад
This is absolutely the truth. Churches should stick to Scripture and focus on Jesus Christ. The saved need spiritual food and the unsaved need to hear the Gospel of Christ. May I share this in Facebook?
@jeffeitzen6570
@jeffeitzen6570 11 месяцев назад
I have immersed myself in discipleship for 40 years and I totally relate to this video Paul. Most elders and pastors of this era blow structured discipleship off as too much of a cost in time and commitment. Robert Colemans book on the master plan of evangelism (discipleship) greatly effected me. Discipleship and mentoring can produce men and women who are strong in biblical knowledge and faith who are Jesus lovers and not Churchianity consumers There is not much better than 2 or more people gathered over their bibles taking in the word of God.
@zacheemuleba9088
@zacheemuleba9088 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for the video. Yes I agree with brother Paul, discipleship is simple and at the same time difficult. I'm 27 now, I pray that God will grant me the grace to study his Word and that I will able faithfully and effectively to proclaim his Word and invest it into the lives of my family members and community. Thanks again for the video!
@Gods.the.answer
@Gods.the.answer 10 месяцев назад
I’m thankful as my priest-pastor guided my after my salvation as I was under half salvation focusing on false teachings and he guided me to the write path.
@demosthenesflorival6555
@demosthenesflorival6555 11 месяцев назад
Amen! Thank you, Brother Washer. We may never meet on this side of life, but I will see you in the Kingdom of God. #SOLASCRIPTURA
@allcleanenterpise
@allcleanenterpise 11 месяцев назад
❤ it takes such intentionality for the body to engage regularly. May men hear what our dear Elder is saying and put it into practice in our homes and local churches
@ncgangcop8936
@ncgangcop8936 10 месяцев назад
As pastor John MacArthur said “It’s hard to disciple the unconverted.”
@RevDavidReyes
@RevDavidReyes 11 месяцев назад
Nothing wrong with conferences. It’s up to parents and churches back home to CONTINUE discipleship after they get home.
@deborahparrish2201
@deborahparrish2201 11 месяцев назад
Pretty much his point!
@RevDavidReyes
@RevDavidReyes 11 месяцев назад
@@deborahparrish2201 🙏🏼
@de5ertscorpion
@de5ertscorpion 11 месяцев назад
I think the problem is when they're themed conferences that are emotion high and scripture/content low. Basically a giant pep rally. Expository preaching conferences are great, though, because they can do over a few days what may take one pastor a few months to do with his congregation. And they can really paint in the corners on doctrinal issues and issues facing us in our day.
@dano7189
@dano7189 10 месяцев назад
I hope that I can be used of God to truly make disciples.
@milandejanovic7872
@milandejanovic7872 10 месяцев назад
Condition of discipleship are very simple and costly, Lord Jesus explained in Luke. 1. Hate Jesus said, "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple" (Lk.14:26). 2. Put To Death Jesus said, "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple"(Lk.14:27). 3. Give Up Everything Jesus said, "None of you can be My disciple who does not give up all his own possessions"(Lk.14:33).
@losmcdonald
@losmcdonald 11 месяцев назад
Amen brother. So good.
@timothymcdonald7407
@timothymcdonald7407 10 месяцев назад
I believe the most productive discipleship method is weeping and crying. I think farmer Paul will agree. Thanks.
@TFaminu
@TFaminu 10 месяцев назад
Good watch.
@shawnambrisco4598
@shawnambrisco4598 11 месяцев назад
“You are the ‘Salt’ of the earth: But if the Salt has ‘Lost’ its Saltiness, By ‘What’ will you then season it ??? It is from there on ‘Good for NOTHING’, But to be CAST OUT, and trodden under the foot of men.” ~ JESUS CHRIST ~ (St Matthew 5:13)
@trulyso734
@trulyso734 10 месяцев назад
Yes. Must stick to correct doctrines and dont stray anywhere near doctrines of demons. i.e. not stray into a mumbo jumbo land mesh with some other wordly god ideas. It is very sad much of church is in famine of the Hearing of the Word of God.
@roysherwin9348
@roysherwin9348 11 месяцев назад
Two words: local Church. Get involved - serve and get to know your elders personally. Make sure the Bible is preached verse by verse every Lord's day.
@G1stGBless
@G1stGBless 11 месяцев назад
Absolutely agree. But if it is only that, it is just a religious themed club. There must be daily personal relationship w/ the Spirit of God. Personal investment in prayer and Word. The Holy Spirits function in our life is the most knowing, precious thing we have. Without the Spirit, the letter kills rather than makes alive. God bless you brother
@roysherwin9348
@roysherwin9348 10 месяцев назад
@@G1stGBless John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all.
@psalm1197
@psalm1197 10 месяцев назад
Well many countries, like my own, do not have bible based genuine churches. So “local” church is just a rare thing, really
@somewheretheheartis
@somewheretheheartis 10 месяцев назад
@@psalm1197It’s hard to find a true church here in the US
@psalm1197
@psalm1197 10 месяцев назад
@@somewheretheheartis it’s the times we live in. I don’t have any Christian friends or family so I’m doubly isolated. Imagine being a converted Muslim in Saudi…so many people have it worse than me.
@funmiadebayo2238
@funmiadebayo2238 10 месяцев назад
I can't agree less
@MarkM-gt1vf
@MarkM-gt1vf 10 месяцев назад
Sadly, many pastors don’t know how to disciple congregation, how to make disciples. They’re satisfied with the fact some accepted baptism but there is no follow up.
@trulyso734
@trulyso734 10 месяцев назад
More genuineness required, less program or conference toll. Less success, leadership, money, world orientation will work wonders as the holy spirit of God can then gain more ground to function for real more often?
@trulyso734
@trulyso734 10 месяцев назад
There are 5 fold ministry roles. And all should work together interoperably in a local church whatever size it is. This is where many fall to overemphasis of one thing over another, in my opinion. It then becomes a problem for the main/chief senior pastor to do it all.. or put another way, that pastor gets overwhelmed and burnt out imagining he has to do it all (or conversely slips the other way and doesn't care at all about the flock; only his reputation/brand in the big leagues. Just like in the world). Primarily.. NOBODY is called to be a preacher entertainer biblically speaking, but that seems all we have these days in the western americanized world typically. Also, people's ages should not factor into all the roles by man made traditions. It is not just for the old NOR just for the young to lead as God does the calling. We limit God when we go off fleshly ways of thinking biases. It is the maturity of seasoned God fellowshippers that matter basically; judged by their fruit.. Pastors are CARE givers principally, they also tend to double up in the Bible Teaching gift. Unfortunately in mega human goal oriented churches, there is a tendency to lean more on Evangelism from the pulpit now in my observation (i.e. to an unbelieving crowd in their midst who have entered out of curiosity or being brought along as a friend, or as a genuine seeker of truth/God. Im okay with that So Long As it stands Distinct From Carnal World Culture moulds as a required conformance, which at its worst just churns out gospel pollution). It is the function of Pastors to take care / spiritually protect and nurture or facilitate nurture of their flock or congregational members with sound doctrines firmly Bible based, Teachers to teach the bible and yes that is effectively a form of discipleship (training up of others to be as Disciples of Jesus), Evangelists to reach out to the unsaved outside the walls of the church i.e. yes even unto the world beyond (and broadly speaking this is the function of every believer, inclusive of those not serving in the other church ministry giftings/roles, also inclusive of short and long term missionaries), And it is for Prophets i.e. those with prophetic unction to prophesy not to their own agenda to tickle ears, but God's in accordance to the bible, and Apostles i.e. who practise after the Apostleship of biblical times, to reach out even more widely (often with a wider platform of Holy Spirit anointed evangelism i.e. led with Christ's authority, and potentially abundantly also with this call of discipleship at its heart. As commissioned by the Lord to carry out, to fulfill His Great Commission "Go into all the world, Teaching all things to all nations of people groups as I have commanded and Making Disciples, baptizing them in My Name" said He, the Lord Jesus Christ).
@buencaminoph
@buencaminoph 10 месяцев назад
Camps and conferences are never to be discipleship programs. It could be to gather, inspire, yes even fire up believers, especially uoung people and young believers, but not to make disciples. Discipleship is one on one or small groups just like how Jesus did. Paul here is just finding faults in those once in a while (maybe annually) gathering to inspire youths.
@jaybjay4121
@jaybjay4121 10 месяцев назад
Do wee need more camps tho !? I have a comunity that has many of this type of programs but almost nothing about discipliship...I think as Christians we need to invest more on this point of discipliship.
@leighb.-jg7bj
@leighb.-jg7bj 10 месяцев назад
Respectfully, musical accompaniment to someone speaking godly wisdom is unnecessary, irritating and distracting. This is godly correction I hope all will heed. The practice is rampant.
@trulyso734
@trulyso734 10 месяцев назад
Lol, I suppose it seems odd / out of place in this clip
@leighb.-jg7bj
@leighb.-jg7bj 10 месяцев назад
@@trulyso734 In all seriousness, and again, respectfully: imagine that I could attach "ice cream truck" music to your comment to enhance it 'for the benefit of others' instead of just letting the words speak on their own.
@trulyso734
@trulyso734 10 месяцев назад
@@leighb.-jg7bj lol Im sorry the ice cream truck comment just went over my head in all honesty. Have a nice day
@cebolla7260
@cebolla7260 2 месяца назад
Sounds like Social Dallas
@travishowett7651
@travishowett7651 10 месяцев назад
"There are means of grace and these means of grace require discipline" 1:38 mark. Does anyone know what calvanist believe? Before you answer yes please really think about it
@emmanuelibus
@emmanuelibus 10 месяцев назад
Lol. Says the guy who speaks in those conferences and has a mega church.
@Real_Michael_Jordan
@Real_Michael_Jordan 11 месяцев назад
We're called to make disciples of JESUS, not us.. The Holy Spirit will lead you, Jesus will disciple
@uchihadabba699
@uchihadabba699 11 месяцев назад
Who is talking about making disciple of someone other than Jesus? You missed the point. Of course Holy Spirit leads and points us to Jesus. You make it sound as if we do not need godly men to teach other godly men. Unless you are in solitary confinement in San Quentin. But even there I’m sure Paul discipled the praetorian guards he was chained to. We are to make disciples- first our wives, our children and others. 2Timothy 2:2 “And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.” Mathew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
@phillipsugwas
@phillipsugwas 10 месяцев назад
This is such a sad attempt at presenting a paralell universe. The soft music, the choked voice, the strangled self expression, the monocromatic, sterile background? The alleged different experience(?) , of people somehow following a" bible based church" experience is as depressing as the failed universe of conference led resolutions - as if the alternative did not carry the the same downside threat ? Walking not according to the flesh but being led by the Spirit. Real- messy Optionality.
@paulring86
@paulring86 10 месяцев назад
The first step is to get rid of false doctrines such as Calvinism.
@TheJpep2424
@TheJpep2424 5 месяцев назад
The first step is to get rid of heresy which is non calvinism. Calvinism is Bible Christianity.
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