get that alot when people ask me to do side work and I say yea that can't be done right for those prices. They freak out and pay another guy and still ask me to fix their stupid messes. I tell them pound sand
Oh my gosh! Ted, please request a visit from your state licensing board investigator to come look at this. Someone needs to be held accountable, it's criminal to do something like this.
Probably another fly by night company, that always goes under and then pops up the following year later somewhere else with a different name to do the same garbage installs.
There is no fixing this, it has to be replaced. At least completely removed and reinstalled, but it would probably cost almost as to just replace. There is no possible way this is legal, why would he put his name on it?
I’m a rookie installer(8 months experience) Even I know better than that. I don’t know how that even worked. The lengths some guys go to not do the job right is scary. Keep up the good work. I learn something new watching all the time.
It "worked" because the unit was hiding in the crawlspace and the customer didn't see puddles, smell exhaust gas or hear all that sheet metal and tape flopping around. You always see the worst installs in crawlspaces because they think they can get away with it long enough to not get in trouble.
Ted, did you check to see if whoever lives in the house has a big life insurance policy and the person who put in the furnace is named as the beneficiary? Sure looks like a possibility.
Imagine thinking that this is beyond anything that a "pro" could hack up. If it's beneath you to do butcher jobs like that great but you need be less naive.
I'm really enjoying these videos.Im an auto mechanic and it's interesting to see what goes on in other trades. We see hack jobs all the time especially with wiring lol
I agree this is a horrible install but like you said its been heating with no issues, no damage to heat exchanger or wiring in over 10 years. I don't understand why you tore it all apart without informing the customer first. Now they have no choice but to either pay to repair what you tore out and pulled apart or replace the equipment. I enjoy watching your videos but you didn't have to do all that ripping and tearing in my humble opinion. Now the a/c is compromised. Heating season is practically over. You could have shut off the gas and disabled the heat if you are concerned about liability.
Because it isn't code, the state can pull his license if he let that run. Just because it can "run" doesn't make it legal or safe. People want it for cheap and then have the balls to bitch when it needs to be made right to work or even be code. Here is a thought its the homeowners fault they hired a fly by night, no name guy in work van who did that illegal work. Now homeowners expect actual pros to rig it to run so they have heat or air, hell no. Fix it right or you don't have air or heat simple as that. We can be sued when it kills someone if it is allowed to run. I never feel sorry for homeowners that get a craiglist special job and expect us to fix it for cheap, go pound sand
This video need to be shown at trade schools to show students how not to install things. If I was the home, I would do whatever it takes to find out who created this train wreck & have them brought up on charges & also have them kicked out of the business!!!
It wasn't yet his job to repair or replace, but Ted tore the thing apart when examining it. Seems very unfair to totally disable the thing. I think he had a lot of nerve, it isn't his property to damage that way. If I was that customer, I would hold him responsible for damaging my property.
@@kingpins9 Sounds like you must have a man crush on ole Ted. LOL You don't know what the hell you are talking about! I've been an HVAC contractor for over 30 yrs. It was not necessary nor did he have the right to tear the vent pipe and transition apart the way he did. Its not his home and he is not paying for the repairs. He should have taken pictures and showed the homeowner what he found and what he recommends be done to properly and safely make the repairs. But he chose to rip open the duct transition and dismantle vent pipe leaving both the heat and the a/c more so compromised than before he arrived. That's not right, any way you spin it!
That is the continued reason why inspections from local jurisdictions are needed. I am never amazed at how people have no idea how to do a job properly. That poor homeowner got robbed. They are lucky they are alive. Stay safe and be well.
As an electrician I can tell you that there are twelve(12) NEC violations in the electrical half of that install, including 3 red flag violations that the fire department would declare the house unsafe to inhabit...
Glad you’re posting these hack jobs, I’ve seen some doozies myself. Makes you wonder sometimes if these installers realized they could kill somebody and or burn the place down, probably not. But they probably got paid upfront and stopped answering the phone.
I am a retired former co-owner of a Carrier dealership in southeastern Pennsylvania, and for most of those eighteen years Pennsylvania did not require businesses to maintain contractor licensure, other than a federal EIN and PA Commonwealth sales tax collection licensing. We installed Carrier, and most of the ICP companion line of products. Johnstone was fairly strict about whom they would sell to, however, two other wholesalers were not. I'd seen only one installation, of a Coleman 80% gas furnace - that was paired with a ComfortMaker (midline quality model). The ¾-in lineset was cobbled together from used type "M" red copper, and was soldered with "good 'ol lead/tin plumbing solder". The liquid line was apparently used automotive brake line tubing. The insulation was blue "funoodle" pool toy tubing which was sliced in half, and duct taped together. The thermostat was wired directly to the condensing unit, ass-backwards, and on the wall where the thermostat, a round Honeywell was hung, it partnered with three light switches which selected the A/C, Heat, and fan only functions. It was nothing short of criminal, but it worked, I don't know how or why, but the darn thing worked. I got out of there as fast as I could, "no charge, I couldn't do anything, you'll need to call someone else". Two years later, my business partner installed a new Bryant system, at almost below cost after the heating failed in December.
What a mess! Saw a lot of hack jobs like that in the auto industry. We would take our shop customers back and show them exactly what was going on and what would be needed to repair it. Just when you think you have seen it all! Hopefully there will be a part 2 where Ted removes it all and does a quality new install with potential problems taken care of also. Great video and a good call for Ted to come out by the previous tech. Keep up the great videos! Still learning new things and enjoying the videos along the way.
A "furnace man" quotes a new customer. They ask if he has any experience. Oh yes several he replies. Oh great, the customer asks where ? Crazy thing he says....all three are gone. Two burnt and one blew up.
I put a 90% in a crawl space once. Home owners request. It got so cold down there it froze the inducer motor and split it. I’d just say. Don’t level the new one. Lean that thing forward on a good forward slant. That helps keep the water from pooling in the inducer. I’m shocked at some of those hack jobs. How do these guys keep their jobs??? How do the companies stay in business with work like that ?? I’d fire anyone that turned that shit in. When I trained guys. And heard. “That’s good enough”. I’d say good enough for who?? Me? The boss? The home owner? If that’s the best you can do. That’s all I can ask But good enough is seldom “good enough”
Definitely not an approved orientation for the furnace, the venting is just icing on the cake. I've actually found them installed like that where they finally quit working because condensation at formed in the heat exchanger and pooled up enough to block it.
It hurts us pretty bad too. We have to compete with non companies. I got outbidded on 14 new house installs by over $1000 each. They are two brothers making extra money. They have jobs with insurance, no overhead, no employees and probably no insurance. It drives the prices way below what they should be. This contractor tried to get me to come get some of the systems running that they had trouble with. I said sorry..
It's crazy some of the stuff you see! A furnace on it's back! I remember that one in the attic that you had video of. I think it was a carrier if I remember right...
Where to begin, this is wrong on so many levels. You are 100% correct in refusing to work on that dangerous mess. However, as we always say, the last one to touch it is responsible-liable. So why did you mess with it? What happens when the homeowner cannot afford to fix it and tries to use as-is? Ethically, legally, practically, what you did was NO BUENO. Should have just taken pics, explained the problem/solution to the customer. Now his choice is no heat, even more dangerous than before heat or potentially having to choose between eating or perhaps making his next mortgage pmt and fixing the furnace.
Read the room, it's an affluent neighborhood, and besides, the furnace was already inop, it was LOTO'd and a tech or handy homeowner would have to work to recommission it, making them liable since they made it run again, what he did was what the locals around here call destructive speculation, which is what we do when something will need fixed regardless, we tear it up a bit to see the scope of the problem to better figure a quote while also further ensuring that someone will have to touch it after us to make us work, making them liable, if it's a reinstall or replacement job I go further to ensure any skeezy tech or handyman will have to do a lot of work to make the unit operable again, I also make them sign a waiver stating that I LOTO'd the unit and recommend proper corrective actions be taken, if it is recommissioned without proper corrective repairs being performed by me then I am not liable in the slightest for death, destruction, or anything in between resulting from the furnace being operated, I had a lawyer friend painstakingly revise the waiver so there are no legal loopholes and the document has the power to dismiss any civil or legal cases brought up due to anything mentioned in the waiver, haven't had to use it yet, but better safe than sorry in today's litigious society, and if they don't sign the waiver I call the gas company and have their technician condemn and turn off the gas to the whole home, had to do it once, they had the bare minimum done for the gas company to deem it safe and haven't called me back.
I think the outside unit said 2016 on it. Looks fairly new. Can't believe someone would touch that or install it that way. My grandfather is rolling in his grave.
Ted, Ted, Ted…..don’t you know that’s a test unit🙄 seriously, I’ve seen it all now lol, that’s a new one to me, even better than the garden hose gas line I once found.
When I was 17 fixing my first car, I used a hose clamp to hold the muffler on but I used common sense and cut a slit in there first so the pipe would mash on the other one better LOL.
I know more crooked techs than good ones. Being honest has kept me busier than I can handle. I'm not sure if the crooked ones just dont know or they know but do it on purpose. Thanks for being one of the good guys.
Hi Ted. Always enjoy your videos. I am about to do a complete change out and wanted to know if it is required to replace the refrigerant lines. Some contractors say that it is fine and they will just be cleaned. We had a 30 year old Carrier which died this past Friday and it uses R-22. Of course we ill be going to a unit with 410 and I understand that oxidation and/or particles from the old oil many create problems down the road if the lines are not flushed properly or replaced. About 40 feet. I live in the triad of North Carolina. Thanks and anyone else PLEASE feel free to chime in.
@@TedCookHVAC it was older than that by mfr date, but it looked like it just came out of the box. I don’t understand how no wires were fried or the cabinet scorched with the burners shooting down like that. I’m assuming you got the replacement job? I’m not seeing follow ups to some of these videos that are open ended situations.
It’s an old line set they probably had service valves but they couldn’t turn on or off so they soldered some Sauter on Schrader valves probably had a pretty low unit of an old singer
at 13:45 you ask what the thing on the AC compressor line is fore, my guess is to hook in to the line with test gages but i am no ac technician but that the only thing that makes sense to me about those lines
Omg I'm half way through my hvacr training and I myself can see a crap job that one is definitely unsafe. I hope there is a 2nd part with a correct safe install.
Fire hazard as well, the electric and gas entering in the same hole ,especially with appliance connector is totally illegal, and a appliance cannot pass thru a wall of the furnace
as a side note... holy crap they spent more money and time on duck and duct tape than they would have spent on the screws to secure all that together.....
I am watching HVAC videos to help get an idea of what I'm going to school for which I do for the most part but I am like W.T.F is wrong with some people. That was a hack or shit job done buy someone trying to make a quick buck instead of the long term service that makes more money but I'm new going to school for HVAC what do I know. Have a great day!
I never feel sorry at all for people who pay for a butchers mess because I know they called around to the pros and went with the cheapest option of a man in unmarked vehicle for 1k to do it all. I Have no issue turning their heat or AC off, not getting sued because you the homeowner are a cheap bastard.
I see someone left the screws on the supply house counter. The extra taps on the line set are probably from the tech that did the FD. I bet whoever did the line set to the condenser didn’t remove the Schraders and smoked them. The next guy said I ain’t touching it.
I had an AC guy, pull two of my ducts, think he wanted a easy service call, we use the same guy for past 20years, after seeing it and fixing it , he lose me
Have they run the exhaust up the old chimney? Do you have to run a liner n the chimney.? Looks like the installer bought the parts from a scrap yard and home depot.
Been doing residential heating and air conditioning for 31 years and this has to be the worst job I have seen.need to find out who done this and turn in to inspection department.they are going to burn a house down or kill them
One of my customers asked to me install a 2 ton mini split I quoted $400, the next day he saids his friends buddy said he would do it for some beer lol 😆 ok saved me 2 hr round trip
Quality sales person - hey I was following up on the quote i sent you for your furnace replacement Customer - well I decided to go with another guy because your price was too high
im an electrical engineer and in no way an ac installer but ghchst how do these jobs get done? The power vent was probably sucking so hard on the flue pipe that it was drawing in cool air to prevent the duct tape from burning@!@!@ and the electrical ....wow cord isn't long enough lets just wire nut some more in :":";':' turn the gas off and cut the power cable until its installed correctly :-)
