It wasn't about the diss. He made the video before Upchurch even released the song. Upchurch is making fake news. I would hope people would look at all the videos and not just trust Upchurch. You as a reactor should at least be fair to other reactors in your community. That reactor was respectful and just said his peace and now people are attacking him. Really disappointing to see. I will never trust another word Upchurch says.
Dude has dropped a bunch of weird videos. Honestly, I don't get what's so funny. Its like watching 14 year old winge on a crappy vlog. He sure don't act like a grown man.
I was thinking the same thing. Kinda weird watching a grown man act like a 12 yr old. Could almost say money and fame made it worse, but this last year has been incredibly sad watching him spiral. Gone from rebel to clout chaser with a quickness.
Is he a drama queen or is he just trolling trying to bring rap battling back. It may all be a set up just for rap battling. I miss the old days of diss tracks. To many opinions from people on social media anymore that don’t know the full story. I want a full rap battle between church Calhoun n Macdonald. Be epic.
Flawd, you really should consider watching this reactors response to this video. The first indicator is that he didn’t let the “You called out Tom Macdonald” edit continue. You should just watch His original reaction and his reaction to this video. I think Church is actually blowing this out of proportion and manipulating. I think you’ll come back feeling different.
Address the issue. If it was a rap battle he would not need to repeat the issue you know the issue he clarifies the issue with the statement “language arts” Prior to that he says hes upset cause he did something “TYPED”something you did not like At the end of the clip he says he is a white boy missing teeth ext ext but he is the one keeping hip hop alive !!!!!! “”If he knew about hip hop and rap battles he would understand clearly that in hip hop and rap battling it involves disrespect foul language insults and derogatory terms!! 1:35
Lol I think upchurch knows 2 much about tom that tom doesn't want known about him like he was asking where did that hog tattoo come from andwho took this picture tom etc etc and asked who is said a name forgot but apparently it's a big main stream guy that does music videos and someone in comments said it's nova's ex husband
@@petersanders3812 you know I'm not one for perfect grammar but Lord have mercy there isn't a a single period. I have no idea where one thought ends and another one begins in this whole. statement.
I appreciate the people calling Church out on his bullshit. Those creeksquad zombie fans think they're helping him. They're enabling him and they're gonna be tweeting about missing him when he's no longer here. Because obviously the guy has some kind of issue going on.
You should have watched his video instead of watching upchurch, upchurch is getting to be like a whining child, only liking the reactors that take his side
False news…. 1:36 Address the issue. If it was a rap battle he would not need to repeat the issue you know the issue he clarifies the issue with the statement “language arts” Prior to that he says hes upset cause he did something “TYPED”something you did not like At the end of the clip he says he is a white boy missing teeth ext ext but he is the one keeping hip hop alive !!!!!! “”If he knew about hip hop and rap battles he would understand clearly that in hip hop and rap battling it involves disrespect foul language insults and derogatory terms!!
@@EkkoBullie regardless Church didn't show that the only issue he had was that one word and it wasn't the diss as much but how he's now writing it all in the comments just to do it. That's a totally different thing. And regardless Church may not think it's inappropriate and that's his right but it's also someone else's right to say they don't get down like that. Question though are you saying he used it to insult Tom?
@@amberpowell2609 no upchurch addresses the language when he told the guy he is suppose to be a battle rap refer but he is upset about language! And the fact that he is making these comments and publishing the video and adding a tag to the reactors video obviously, he wasn’t trying to hide anything because he tagged the reactor so he wasn’t hiding what the reactor had to say all you had to do was do your own research to see what the whole conversation was about so it wasn’t hiding anything. He literally made the comments about him typing words that got the reactor upset.! if you viewed the reaction video as a battle wrap, you would completely understand the entire scenario if your battle wrapping I don’t have to repeat everything you said, all I have to do is make a response, but he pointed out what he was referring to very clearly if anybody was paying attentionbut that’s what battle is about innuendos sneaky wordplay, right or wrong!
Why would you diss someone for no reason? Just make a good mf song and move on. Chasin clout is a ugly look for an established artist. TM shouldn’t give a response when Church as an artist is living on borrowed time. And I’m 47
@@AdrianRamirez-fb4kv Nope. You can’t intentionally mispronounce words or drag words out to stay on beat or make them rhyme. Church does it all the time and it’s pretty fnckin weird
You’re not seeing the whole video. He originally was touching base on Ryan dropping N bombs on his IG not Tom MacDonald. Ryan edited that out so you’re only getting 1/2 the info.
Didn't know that... Then the man is entitled to feel how he wants. It doesn't bother me when a white dude says the N-Word but I can understand where people that don't like it are coming from. To each his own.
@@FlawdTV I think it’s not so much about the word as why even use it? He claims he’s the best with words and then proceeds to throw that one out of nowhere.
@@goatwatch5375 Maybe Trollerboy is a better name...he trolled a dead girl, trolled Anthony Oliver when he had #1, I could keep going but Churchzino only trolls when someone is getting tons of views. I feel sorry for him. He should start to look into better ways to market himself instead of through hate and probably should get off the Adderall sniffing. His family said it and I have a brother that does the same. All the signs are there.
More and more that’s what I’m thinking…I’m ok with Church, but I think he sees the “Independent” artist train leaving him behind and he’s trying to stay relevant.
😂😂😂 oh, please! Y'all haters clearly know nothing of rap, and you damn sure know NOTHING about Church. Smh...it's pitiful. Church is the reason Tom even got noticed. Do your research. Church is yards and yards ahead of Tom, and Church is ACTUALLY independent.
Why do people keep saying this? It’s not like Tom Macdonald promoted Upchurch at any point. Like he can’t get in a battle with Tom because you found Tom first?
The word Church uses is “nigga” and that isn’t the N word. The N word ends with er. “Nigga” is used throughout the rap culture. So who gets to tell Church what he can use!
He said this message off rip he didn't say anything about the n word at the point when he started getting dramatic about Tom as old Joe would say come on man😂
Part about it tho is that doesn't matter tho it's hip hop don't matter who says it. It is in every song and since he white he can't say it once to dababy saying it 72 times haha
@@jessjames1852 That's the first thing I was thinking as well. I remember that specific reaction. That's why I was surprised by the reaction to another artist saying the same word.
Ryan has said so much BS and lies about Tom in these rants it's starting to get annoying, he said Tom has a ghost writer, at this point he's starting to sound like a teenage girl that's pissed the guy she likes doesn't like her
@SickGirlRocks well do you trust Adam Calhoun? Because he's worked with Tom on 2 albums the 2nd of which Adam flew out to LA and worked with Tom for 60 days I think he'd know if Tom didn't write his own songs. Adam has said Tom is insane with all the work he does by himself from making the beats, writing the songs and then him and Nova doing the videos
@@zzconmanzz1 You got that right! I been following him since Ashland City wal mart parking lot videos. In 2023 I was in the top 4% of Upchurch streamers but not anymore. He called America the dumbest country and put his name in the same sentence as Jesus. Called the Bible bullshit. After that I was done.
I think Church is jealous of 1 Tom's success, 2 Tom's loving and healthy relationship with Nova and 3rd Tom's loving relationship with his parents. Church doesn't have that.
@@RealJoshuaLeeCope93563 Bro nowadays Upchurch videos barely reach 500k views. Any video that Tom's does surpasses 1M everytime. And don't be crying about political videos cause Tom already made music talking about others topic's and those videos also surpasses 1M.
I do not consider Church Hip Hop and some of the reactors he names rarely go against the artist. He has gone way down in my esteem because he picks out certain phrases or pictures and spins a story without the original context making himself the victim and telling everyone he only tells the truth.
Address the issue. If it was a rap battle he would not need to repeat the issue you know the issue he clarifies the issue with the statement “language arts” Prior to that he says hes upset cause he did something “TYPED”something you did not like At the end of the clip he says he is a white boy missing teeth ext ext but he is the one keeping hip hop alive !!!!!! “”If he knew about hip hop and rap battles he would understand clearly that in hip hop and rap battling it involves disrespect foul language insults and derogatory terms!! 1:36
I love and appreciate both artists. I think Ryan is pissed about Tom's line "I'm the biggest independent rapper in the world". One has a number one charting, one is riding coattails.
Ignorant. You speak as though Ryan doesn’t have chart topping music. It’s funny how personal people take things that literally have no bearing on their life. These are two very rich musicians. The difference is all Tom is about is money and annoying promotion. Ryan is about the culture and not being a fake azz
Upchurch does this shit to everyone. He has more disses and videos towards fuckin dagburn than he does Tom. Its funny when he does it to someone with no views or subscribers but when he does it to Tom hes clout chasing?? come on now Church biggest songs have 3 and 4 times the amount of views than Toms biggest songs. it has nothing to do with clout chase or "riding coattails". He been doing this to everyone just Toms hardcore fans are all but hurt. this is hip hop let them battle and sit back and enjoy them both
Flawd...i love you but Church is being so disrespectful and is acting all crazy. I respect the reactor. It's not his or any other creator's obligation to become the Don King of rap and buy into the made up bull's. This is called bullying. Do you know some of the rumors they are passing around about Nova to try to instigate Tom into reacting. These folks are the woke, trying to destroy and cancel Tom. Ryan thinks he is a gatekeeper to protect rap. Listen to what he's saying. He would come after you because you had an interview with Glenn Beck. Its personal for Church, when there is nothing to be personal about.
You all are blind if you don't see what upchurch is mad about freaking crazy and you call yourself fans... he clearly doesn't want tom canceled he wants tom to stop using his name in his own shit..
Church should just come out and tell the truth he spent months last year going after a dead girl and lost followers and his reputation took a hit, now he wants to drop a new album and he needs clout so hes going after the biggest independent artist around to get some clout. Church has a history of going after bigger artists for clout this isn't anything new and Jelly Roll will be the next one he goes after. Dude just regurgitated the mac lethal diss and every other diss thats come out about Tom. Church has tirned into a weirdo anyone who dates his friends daughter thats way younger than him and he was probably around while ahe was a teenager is some weird stuff. Hopefully he'll go get some mental help at some point
I respect that reactor. I don’t find anything funny about Ryan’s behavior. He is a racist. Called Tom a foreigner, and that he needed to go back to his country. That he needed to get out of here. Tom is officially an American citizen. He has the right to make a song called “End of the world” dressed up as a glamour cowboy. There was nothing offensive towards country people in that song. Shit, I’m country and thought it something cool and different from him. Church is digging this hate for Tom out of nowhere. He was friends with him when he KNEW Tom was from Canada and rapping about American politics a couple of years ago. Even shouted Tom out in a video. Why now?
Anyone else waiting threw this video for the real reason why he said he wasn't going to react to Upchurch anymore, then find out he skipped it altogether 🤦🏼🤷🏼
Bro like i said ryan has made how many vids on tom doing some freestyle like he in 8 mile or something( even using the lyrics). It isnt a secret the amount of family friends and artist who have distanced themselves from church. He likes drama and thats his thing. If tom doesnt wanna infight for clicks thats on him. But no one has to dance to the tune of what ryan wants. As far as im concerned the counter culture matters more than a fucking rap battle to fill someones coffers.
Skwad 🙌 I will stay liking both. I'd be lying if I said I didn't want a rap battle b/w 2 ppl I admire because they're both next level geniuses. The lyrical history alone would be epic.
@flawd, FTB was 100% talking about Ryan using N____ in a lot of his insta posts lately, then using it in the diss. UPCHURCH is trying to make it look like FTB was just mad that he went at Tom and thinks no one will do any research...
FTB has reacted to other vids where white boys said the N word with no problem, they’re still on his pages. FTB says that word is not racist! 🙄 do your research.
@@Mockingbirddontsing1 what art you talking about. If he didn't lie, on purpose, then he knows what he's talking about. "Upskirt" got his panties in a bunch over a reactor reacting. Where's the lie especially if Upskirt does that all the time?
Ryan at church is lying his ass off in this video. He is being disingenuous chopping up the video and not once addressing what it was really about. Had nothing to do with dissing Tom McDonald. I think Upchurch is having a mental breakdown.
The Church stans will call Tom a industry plant. They want to get a rise out of tom so he will respond. But that is Toms call. I like both artists. But Church is on some bullshit. Thats just me. But hey if you dont like Tom or Church. Thats fine like who you want.
It's truly sad to see Ryan so self-destructive, he needs help. The people pumping him up and telling him to keep it up don't care about him, and aren't fans.
He keeps saying how Tom isn't independent, anyone who's ever bought any of Tom's physical albums knows for a fact that's shit. No record label in the world would allow any content to go out without copywrote restrictions, barcodes, or code identifiers lol
You hit on something important. We are living in a place in time where ....everyone is divided. Disrespect has become the new every day norm. Back in the day, yeah, battle rap was entertaining, because at the end of the day people shook hands and had a good banter, but now?, I guess some of us are looking for people in the spotlight to work on bringing humanity back together. Ive heard upchurch sing cover rock, and Tom sing a pop ballad. Neither are exclusive hip hop or rap.
I think people today have figured out that these pre-planned rap battles are for views. Just not interesting like the old days. Church says he doesn't care about numbers but made that a focal point of his diss on Tom. 🤙🏻
Ryan is accused of not replying to what Ryan wrote on IG he used the short form of the n word and FTB is upset so he flasly accusses upchurch of ignoring it and Flawd jumped on that train ... don't blame him he is a Clout chaser get where you can but when called Out on the fabrications ADMIT it be a man... timestamp 1:19 ,, and 2:30 ,, and 2:41 Thinking the other one was 1:45 addresses it all treats the reactor like a rapper and makes it into a diss gained the man FTB like 500 more follower and many views should be thanking him regardless! Stop the lies Flawd the time stamps have been here for 10 days
I do need to know though, was there a reason that upchurch decided to diss Tom? That’s what I don’t understand. I love a good rap battle but I get concerned about upchurchs mental state
Depends on the day lol he's done says all kind of stuff. That he used the black culture while causing division between white and black people. That he made fun of country people. That he's Canadian. That he's an undercover liberal. That he stops reactors from getting money. He brought up White Boys which he needs to call out ACal to because if I remember correctly he wanted to do that song and a lit of what he is saying about Tom in that sense could be said about ACAL. It's all a reach and he adds more every day
Yes he’s calling Tom a culture vulture and a fake azz. He’s calling him and industry plant. None, some, or all of which might be true. I personally have felt for a while Tom was fake and only cared about money. He claims to care for his fans then why put out CD’s you say has music not released on streaming platforms then beg those same broke people to go buy all his streaming music too and then release the music online he said would only be on CD? He claimed Eminem stole his money and now he’s broke well welcome to the club that’s how I feel about Tom.
He went from political rap and comments to telling anyone who gave a fuck they were stupid. He's telling people that their kids didn't actually die, accusing Struggle of leaking his address or whatever it was, being mad at Jelly. Anyone who does it differently than him hates. Everyone in his life damn near. Which I believe he's been through a lot but I think you always need to self reflect.
Also like other people have pointed out including me he is always bitchin and crying about something. It's been like that. I haven't been able to watch him in awhile which sucks cause I used to love Church. (But like he says he don't care he don't need people who are critical. It's his life his page so I said cool and have not followed him since until this) I know that's a lot but he's a lot lol
@@SickGirlRocks you mad because he's trying to make money and do what all musicians dream about. How is that fake or a plant. It's his way of marketing without a team. If Tom is a culture vulture so is Church and ACal. None of what you said makes him fake. Do you think Church didn't pull half the shit he did so he could get money. It's a buisness...
When church re-edited his video to make it sound like it did, it is straight up wrong! That guy was straight up about how he felt about his COMMENTS, not his diss with Tom. And I take the stance you can say or feel how you want or react to what you want, so how hypocritical Church was for doing this to him. The reactor was being sincere and his issue had NOTHING to do with the issues between the two. In that moment, I just felt like this is exactly what we are getting fed all the time…..re-edited to make someone look better or worse than what was ACTUALLY said and then trash them personally when all he said is didn’t like the constant comments that he didn’t appreciate 🤷🏼♀️, but I can’t remember the reactors name, but he had reasons that were very valid to him. Upchurch changing what he said and the context was straight up BS. So I had to drop out with church until this constant negativity is done. He dissed Tom, ok, but church has made so many dang videos now about people not agreeing with him about his diss song or not liking it. It’s gotten STUPID and ridiculous. So all extra is overkill. Church can say what he wants but it’s getting annoying to see sh*t like this, if people don’t like the diss, then let them not like it. Why the 20 videos about the people that don’t like it or attack someone? Him taking his video out of complete context and POSTING it just to vilify him over it? Why? A good diss only includes the disses and responses to the ARTIST, not reactors. His overkill with all of these videos about this is just something odd. He said if he disses someone he calls them out BY NAME. He dropped Prove It and said it was about Struggle and Jelly, yet they are not called out by name at all 🤔…. I mean does anyone really want Struggle coming for them? lol. 😂
One of the greatest things about rap are diss tracks, and Tom would murder Ryan lyrically, he just thinks Tom is mainstream cause Tom got the formula for making MUSIC and hooks down. You want RAP? Dont let Tom MacLethal you Ryan, cause dudes said the same thing about Eminem when he only had ICP as a body... now he has more graves dug than Paul Bearer
tom has some bars but I'm not so sure about tom being able to take church. upchurch is like jokerr in that regard. He shines in disses and battles. I get the feeling tom won't say a thing about it. It wouldn't be too surprising is church knew some shit tom doesn't want told to the world.
UpChurch a jackals and a biggot. On another Adderall-induced rant. He's just wanting attention cause he's dropping an album. Tom making a difference and UpChurch just spreading hate.
The mans video was about using the N word and church twisted it all to crap. You should have watched the mans original video. Ryan got you looking confused
Yo Flawd, gotta give it to you man 👏👏 That diss track was nice! I know some that liked it, were kinda like “oh man, maybe just a bit more aggression…maybe a few harder bars, layers-etc.” Nah-me personally, it was sweet. Just enough. Like a perfect “sample” in case he wanted to clap back, then you could come back even harder w/plenty of ammunition left Gotta admit, didn’t have any clue of your talent man-awesome I had the opportunity to hear it Alright-let’s see this here vid-
Didn't Upchurch just make a crybaby emotional video a few days before this? He was basically saying the same exact thing about how people let him down? What a hypocrite. It's really sad to see what he's become.
I’m very disappointed you didn’t research what he really said took him at his word. He is just back bullying . You being agreeing with him bullying him this isn’t even reason he stopped . Do research
First , i want to say , i watch quite a few of your uploads and even though i don't usually comment .. i thought i had to say something here for only one reason . I don't think most people who were turned off by Ryan's diss track against Tom were turned off neccesarily because it was Tom . I think it could have been anybody and many fans would still be turned off ....... the real reason is because people are GENUINELY concerned about Ryan's state of mind. I am not going to try to pin point what the core issue is with ryan .. it is probably a multitude of things . But anyhow , i am sure you already know .. ryan doesn't take too kindly to ANY type of criticism whether it is mostly constructive or whether its someone merely hating on him . All i know is that , if ryan can say what he said about his own mother ... that he would piss on her grave when she died ... there is NOBODY on earth that ryan would not try to destroy for simply giving their opinion . If church deems that opinion to be negative .. he will try to have you cancelled . No doubt in my mind . Also , keep in mind that ryan just admitted to recording people that have visited ghost ranch . Look , i like Ryan's music , i have bought merch , been to 4 shows ... 1 that was 6 hours from my house ... so i absolutely am not in the hater category.. just be careful . You see who he is talking shit about now .. adam .... who's next ? I mean damn , he already said he don't care for jelly , struggle , now adam , tom .. i mean , he is really not thinking straight ... and i hate that this seems like entertainment to many viewers .. but to me , these behaviors from him are giant warning signs that he needs to really step back and get a grip on what's really important in life . People should be encouraging him to mend his family and instead , they want to see more drama and more destructive behavior from him . Its sad to see ... anyway , be careful , tread lightly . You never know when a ticking time bomb will go off right in front of your face .. stay blessed !
So... because artists Eminem and Tom McDonald literally steal the fanbase from artists like Benzino and Upchurch, they gotta be dissed and treated like imposters because people like them more...? Jelly and Grrr, these are those artists Pronouns, for sure.
your going to feel so bad when you see the truth wow did UPCHUCK edit this his entire point was beef with Tom we love battle rap but who gave you the N word pass and Upchuck edited it big time .... i promise go watch the original youll see what a goof he is
❤❤❤❤LOVE UPCHURCH AND I LOVE TOM!! This was awesome & I LOVE HOW HE EXPRESSED WHERE HE STANDS AND WHO HE IS! I love that u keep it real flawd!! My fave reactor!! U always tell what’s good and what’s not! Thanks for keeping it 💯💯
