I’m sure someone has already said this but, when Brandon says the recreance should remind us of something I think it’s definitely the reod. How Raoden’s seon acted after he got the reod seems pretty similar to how Syl lost her consciousness when Kaladin was breakin oathes
Yes someone else mentioned that too! I think you guys are right. I need to reread Elantris - it's one of the only Sanderson books I haven't reread, so I'm rusty on it.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The Recreance and effects feel very similar to what happens to Elantrians and Second after the Shaod. The Connection to the land was broken and wrecked the Elantrians and their Seons. In the Recreance, the Singers and the Spren lost Connection (to each other and Roshar to some extent) when BAM was sealed away.
I think Brandon was just referencing how Rosharians have a limited vocabulary. To them, all magic is Surgebinding. But to Khriss who studies this all the time, she uses many different terms to describe things. Just like how all birds are chickens and all fruity drinks are wine to Rosharians.
I fear Wax is getting neglected :( Tiny Mistborn Era 2 spoilers - Wax got mentioned too! Chap 29, opening note from Harmony - "I have begun searching for a pathway out of this conundrum by seeking the ideal person to act on my behalf. Someone who embodies both Preservation and Ruin. A … sword, you might say, who can both protect and kill." in Bands of Mourning, Harmony tells Wax that this is what he has in mind for him. Harmony intends to use Wax as an agent to send off world from Scadrial. I'm kinda hoping he's going to be Harmony's messanger boy to Kelsier, and that they are going to clash. If I remember right, Wax is a member of the churck of the Survivor, gonna be interesting to see him fight his world's version of Jesus
Yeah a lot of people think Harmony is talking about Wax, but some people are convinced he's going to choose someone else, so I think we will have to see. I personally think it's Wax, too.
@@Bookborn I have an opinion that he already have his sword - Kelsier. It's a bit uncontrolled as we can see, but he appeared in my mind exactly when I saw that part of the letter
@@Bookborn it was said that whoever lives in Sixteen's home doesn't eat, shit, or bathe. Hordelings don't need to do any of those things. Sleepless confirmed.
The more I think about it the Sleepless can't disguise themselves well. Nikli used tattoos to cover the gaps in the hordelings and he was considered best at imitating humans. Sixteen didn't have tattoos or other means of concealer. An Elantrian might actually fit better. One that was damaged by the Reod of Arelon but not healed by its restoration. This person would be, for the most part, dead and not need to do human things. Sixteen might be a member of the Eyree and helps maintain the Stormlight supply at Lasting Integrity.
I was drawing similarities between the Hoed Seons and deadeyes after the connection between the Recreance and Reod was made. I bet the Hoed Seons appear with scratched out eyes in Shadesmar.
I think the deadeyes comment was also pointing to Sel and the Shaod. Ba-Ado-Mishram is clearly related to connection somehow, and there is a WoB stating that Deadeyes did not exist before BAM was captured. Perhaps her capture made it more difficult for the Spren to reconnect to whichever shard they were most closely associated with, and losing their Radiants has left them without enough investiture to function properly? And when Adolin allowed Maya to draw on his innate investiture, we saw her become more "normal." Something that Sanderson said in the stream suggested that Bondsmiths were also able to prevent deadeyes when Radiants wished to break their oaths, which strengthens the Connection aspect of it for me. But this leaves me entirely unable to explain why Deadeyes don't occur whenever a Radiant dies, if spren are incapable of forming whatever Connection is required without the aid of a Bondsmith or BAM. Edit: I just had a thought, what if it's not the Elantrians partially transformed by the Shaod that he was referring to, but specifically the Hoed? Once they experience enough pain, it just causes their minds to break. I had been treating that as entirely natural trauma, but it could be the same thing that is happening to the Spren? The pain of having their Connection to their Radiants shattered breaks their minds?
I think you make a ton of good points, but I also want to throw in the part where Maya said it was voluntary. I have this weird feeling that they knew they would be deadeyes but they did it anyway? So was it something special they did DURING the Recreance that made that happen? Although, I guess that doesn't make as much as sense as yours, since Deadeyes are still being created (Shallan and Testament). Hmmm
I remember that part differently. I remember Maya saying they agreed the oaths should be broken, and knew it would hurt, but didn't know they'd become deadeyes
El replacing his carapace with metal could just be aluminum to block shard blades. El vs kaladin will simply be a pillow fight because both have impregnable armor.
Aluminum is not as tough as steel, so if kaladin figured that out then it could be armor toughness vs storm light supply or something like that. It could be made into a fight. See Rhymathist for example, I don't think that story concept should have worked, but there it is.
People act like Kal's shard plate is impregnable. It is not. He has to consciously move it to where he believes he needs it to be that impregnable. And there are limits as well in both Stormlight and spren. For instance I think Vin could outsmart Kal with her allomancy and get around his plate. Also, isn't there a metal that drains investiture?
I thought his in-novel and real world explanations for spren bonding to family members was super interesting. That's his way of explaining the spiritual bond people have with those close to them, and spren use them to easily find other possible candidates. Thus it served as a rather subtle hint as to why Rlain was chosen as a candidate for a corrupted mistspren... 🤔
I liked that part a lot too! I had it written down but didn't want the video to be too long. I also found in interesting that the scene of Kaladin jumping off the tower to save someone was one of the scenes that's been there since inception of the series.
This is unconfirmed but I'm like 90% sure that when Hoid was verbally attacking that guy for Jasnah he was also Rioting him and/or Soothing his self control, he could've done it without but it just seems too perfect of an opportunity to do it with. Plus the guy did react very strongly and screw his future by attacking the queen.
Brandon seemed to say that Sja -anat only enlightened willing spren. But he also said that her definition of willing is probably different than our definition of willing. Though Rlain’s and Renarin’s spren came freely, we shouldn’t think that all her spren are that way. So I’m still not super comfortable with Sja-anat.
What I recently found in mistborn secret history, kelsier looks into preservations eyes and describes it as an eternal rhythm!!! This is when kel is in the well around the time hoid comes through.
I believe the reason that the magic on Sel/Elantris is the "oddball" is because you have the investiture between 2 shards tangled up, that also both happen to be splintered. In Harmony's letter to Hoid, if I recall correctly he says that he is surprised the power of the shards on Sel hasn't "recollected" itself like it did on Scadrial, collecting at the Well of Ascension every 1,000 years and I'm guessing the fact that there are 2 splintered but also stagnant shards without wills to direct them and just sort of sitting there is a big part of the issue as to why the investiture/magic is extremely difficult to get off world. I can't think of any other worlds, not that we've seen at least, where you have 2 splintered shards whose power isn't being directed a bearer. I'm guessing this has something to do with it being the oddball magic system, and I'm also going to theorize that the Moon Sceptre that Hoid stole from Sel is tangled up in the answer.
You responded to my two previous comments so consider me a consistent conversationalist!! This is great, you are splicing together connections I totally missed! All while emulating Navani with your laptop/notebook combo and the adorable top-bun. P.S. Plz more PJ videos! It feels very cozy. (I say HEE-malur-jy)
At least the way I said it wasn't TOTALLY so off base as to be unrecognizable this time lol! I've always loved Jasnah a lot, but after this last novel the Navani comparisons are def not making me mad...
One thing I'm curious about for Stormlight 5 is about Vasher and the Ghostbloods. Being that Kel is too invested to leave Scadrial could we assume Vasher is of at least close to the same investment similar to the Heralds who also can't leave. I think the Ghostbloods will target Vasher since he was able to leave.
I wonder if that has anything to do with what he was busy with when everything in the Tower went down. Sanderson said that we will find out why he wasn't helping out; maybe that has something to do with it.
I like his referencing to Thaidakar/Kelsier. Not just saying "Thaidakar is Kelsier, or vice versa", because he's leaving just enough hints for SA readers who have not yet read Mistborn.
I know. Sanderson is just the BEST at that. I think it's actually made me better at guessing twists in other novels because I've been taught to be SO on the lookout
@@Bookborn YES! And even then, some of the stuff, which you and Brandon mentioned on his livecast, just completely goes past me. Like the 2 Feruchemists who are keeping an eye on Dalinar, but seem to be on opposite sides.
@@TNorville101 Oh I mean that's why I had to do a second video! It's impossible to catch it all as one person, I swear. Which is also so fun, because it invites such a community
When Brandon said that spren not becoming dead-eyes if their oaths were betrayed before the Recreance, and that it should remind us of something that previously happened in the Cosmere, my first thought was on Sel when the new chasm made AonDor stop working.
Yes that's what everyone is saying! I honestly remember Elantris the least because I read it a while ago and never reread it. I think everyone is right. It probably has to do with the unmade being trapped. I'm just curious if they knew it was going to happen that way or not...
In reference to the issue of deadeyes relating to something else on the cosmere perhaps Brandon is refering to the changing in the landscape in Elantris before the earthquake caused the landscape to change the elantrians where fine but after something damaged their connection to their source of investiture you could say they became an approximation of a deadeye. And even the ceons act like deadeyes when the sheod take their owners
See, from what we know about Elantris, I would expect it to be the EXACT opposite. The power of Dominion and Devotion was forced out of the spiritual realm into the cognitive realm when Odium killed them. IIRC, this is the reason magics on Sel are location based, since the Cognitive realm, unlike the spiritual realm, does have the concept of "locations" but is this then inverted when it comes to moving the investiture off world? All other shards are in the Spiritual realm, where location doesn't exist, and this somehow means their investiture IS bound to a location, while the shards in the Cognitive realm, where location DOES exist, don't have their investiture bound to a location? yea, I don't know. that WoB BLEW my mind (doubly so, given that the stream started at 1am my time, so I was half asleep)
I really like your connection of Cognitive real vs Spiritual realm and location. Also your commitment to watching when it started 1 am your time is truly unparalleled. I stay up until 11 pm and I'm dead lol.
I think Brandon owes us more Elantris info, because honestly there just isn't enough to work with. My perception was that Dominion was always the problem with the land conflict, but since they'd mixed together in the the Dor... who knows. Seons are straight-up Splinters of Devotion so I assumed they were free-reign. But yeah, the Dor (comprised of both their dead essenses) is locked in the Cognitive in a deadly no-no storm, so....wtf knows?
@@lordruler69 speaking of cognitive realm investiture storms, Braize apparently has storm around it in the cognitive realm. I wonder how much of a connection there is between the two.
@@Haxerous Yeah, I'm not as well versed on that one, but it could be the dead essence of Honor or something, just as the Dor-Storm is dead Dominion/Devotion?
I liked how Brandon said that Kaladin is super aligned with Honor, and was thinking maybe he will take up the Honor shard? Do you have some theories that you've seen that you really like and want to see happen or some that you have come up with? And what do you think will happen in the next book, who will be Odium's champion and will Dalinar lose and have to become a fused and serve Odium? You probably have enough thoughts to put in another video :) Some of my theories... Shallan is world hopping kandra but forgot (Brandon has said there are worldhopping kandra and that a kandra could bond a spren). Nightblood was made with a Dawnshard, Rysn has one that has to do with change and maybe Nightblood has the Dawnshard of destroy. I think maybe the Dawnshards work by using anti investiture. I can see the 5th book having a "bad" ending like not poorly written but bad for the characters, and Dalinar becomes a fused
I have always thought that the ending of book five would be bad for the characters, as well. I think Roshar might get destroyed and we have to see all our characters escaping to other planets. That's why there would be a time hop, and maybe people would be separated... On our live stream last night Pete said he's heard a popular theory that Odium might choose Gavilar as his champion so that neither Gavilar nor Dalinar can win because neither would kill the other. It's this terrible, terrible sad theory that has a lot of evidence backing it up and I HOPE IT DOESN'T happen because it's devastating! But at the same time, sounds like something Taravangian would do....
Elantris spoilers Maybe the similarity to how deadeyes are a thing now, is a reference to elantris. Stuff went wrong and people thought elantrians were dead when they weren't. The recreance happened and we thought spren were dead but they aren't.
Oh hey, that's me in the thumbnail! haha Another awesome video and this comment section is filled with so many good points! Now I can't wait for the next Cosmere book!! The level of detail and planning Brandon has put into this is insane
The theories ya'll come up with never cease to amaze me. I'm sooo excited for Wax/Wayne 4 now. Especially since apparently there is a WOB that it HAD to come between Stormlight 4 and 5...the implications....
“Something else weird happening in the cosmere” that’s when Honor actually shattered. The shadows for silence in the forests of hell. The spren didn’t die before honor died. Just a thought. Had this thought at 13:31 in the video.
I wonder if once it is figured out how to change stormlight in to other forms of investiture if the 'shadows' can take on a more self aware form when infused with the investiture.
I wouldn't get too tied to 16 relating to Scadrial when it's mentioned, Brandon has said before that 16 is hugely significant to the cosmere in general, you just have to look at the number of shards... I suspect that it's not just individual tones that all the shards will have. They will all have individual colours (black and white for Ruin and Preservation, plus green, blue and gold for Cultivation, Honor and Odium) and also god metals. We know there is at least one more god metal on top of lerasium and atium that Harmony didn't know, at that point in time at least, so it would seem likely there is 1 for each of them. There will no doubt be other things they all have in common too.
YES I'm so interested to actually get to read from a world-hopping mistborn who has found and can burn the other metals...I wonder what will happen with them... And true, I remember that WOB actually about 16 being an important cosmere number, but I just can't help relate it to Scadrial still. A lot of people are thinking he's Elantrian...
@@thewhiskybowman True, but 24 is their best infiltrator but he still has to use tattoos to hide his imperfect impersonation. I don't think one as old as 16 would've been able to fool Shallan.
Man the 17th shard is like a black hole. You go on there and there's just SO MUCH you don't know...when you feel like you already know a decent amount!
I think the reason the Seons can leave is the Bond. The same goes for the spren, the unbonded spren can not leave Roshar, but, the ones bonded with a someone I think can. Sanderson has compared multiple times Cognitive Shadows with Spren, so we know they act similar. Kelsier is looking for a way to leave Skadrial because he es bounded the same way the Spren are to their system, maybe the bond is the key.
Well I think in the live Sanderson said that spren actually can't leave Roshar? (I honestly can't remember if it was only bonded, but I got the impression no spren can leave). Sanderson also said that Seon's leaving was very difficult - so I think it's not just because they aren't Bonded. But I do think that is part of it, for sure.
Comment on the Dead eyes and broken oaths "reminding you of something"; maybe the broken Investiture that was in Elantris? Because those who were 'transformed' with the power were considered almost dead in their inability to heal, and were walking around kind of like Zombies, for lack of better words.
Yes, everyone is saying that! It's got to be that, for sure. So now the question is how does binding the unmade relate to the geographic change? Is it something bigger than just interrupted investiture, or is it really that simple? I'm hoping there is something more...
Also, The Shaod vs The Recreance was definitely a thing. The Seons got all screwed up after the Shaod; the deadeye's got all screwed up after the Recreance.
I still feel like Devotion's lack of land limitation (like Dominion) mixed with spreadability while being shattered and mixed into the Dor in the Cognitive Realm gives it enough loosey-goosey behavior to allow Seon's off-planet.
I feel like this is the biggest takeaway of everything though. Dead Seons vs. Deadeyes was pretty much paralleled exactly in this conversation. My theory is that: random earthquake line in Elantris changed the geography and fucked up AonDor just as... the capture of Ba-Ado-Mishram fucked up spren and Honor/Cultivation's work in general
Oops it didn't reply to the comment I wanted to. But the dead eye and Seons getting all screwed up....it must be connected. I don't think I remember enough about Elantris' magic system since that's one of the only novels I've only read once. I think I need to do a reread this year.
Yes that's what everyone is saying! The question is about the unmade apparently being the same break in connection as a broken shard...much to think about...
With the weird thing that is going on with the deadeyes, I think it might be connected to one of the unmade. I can't remember the name right now, and can't look it up. But in Rhythm of war, Kelek mentions in epigraphs about the unmade who had in the previous desolation, taken over giving out void forms. It was mentioned that the humans captured this unmade and locked it away. I feel like it was mentioned that this unmade should be released because it's capture is causing issues. I think that they are related. As far as where else we have seen it, I would think it would be Sel. Think of Elantris, I feel it might be something similar.
Yes everyone is talking about the Unmade being captured as the reason for the deadeyes. Maybe that's what Maya is talking about when it was voluntary? Who knows. It definitely has to do with Elantris since Sanderson said we needed to focus on that - I think something with how Raoden's Seod acted.
I hadn't noticed that Felt, a lieutenant for Dalinar and Adolin who went on the mission to Lasting Integrity. I did not know before that he was from Scadrial. He uses Scadrial curses.
Whhhhhaaat? I didn't notice this at all! What curses does he use? I just looked him up on the 17th shard and I'm shook, but they didn't mention any of his quotes.
@@Bookborn my guess is that she is the "spren of spren" or something like that. Maybe she is what allowed spren to travel between the cognitive and physical world in the past and her capture makes it more difficult now, leading to the spren who come through knowing so little and behaving like the lesser spren. Then when the bonds are broken the spren are forced back into the cognitive but have been damaged so severely by the loss of the bond that they cannot survive even in that state?
@@thebrotherscurtin9827 That definitly seems like a possibility for Roshar; I'm thinking of why does it seem similar to what happened on Elantris? How does trapping that Unmade react similarly to the landscape changing? I guess it just broke in the same sort of way...
@@Bookborn my thought is that if mishram had something to do with the connection between cognitive and physical it might be in the same way that the changing of the aeons damaged the connection to the dor. Like instead of the shape changing the being responsible disappeared.
Oooo I like this theory...mostly because I'm convinced it's someone from Scadrial. Of course, if it is, it would have to be someone that the Ghostbloods (i.e., Kelsier) doesn't know about
I believe the same way that the reod happened by the land Magic system being incomplete and missing the crack. In Roshar everything started to go tits up during the false desolation and they captured Ba-Ado-Mishram. It's said that the singers lost something even the sibling says that the rhythms are wrong now so I believe that's what's causing the dead eyes and should be reversed if she is freed.
And if they find how to fix the rhythm on one world can they use it to fix the rhythm on the other? I know it would be different rhythms, but I would think it is a place to start.
So I believe sel's magic systems are different because their gods are dead. rules are set in place on planets in regards to how the powers work: breath, surgebinding, metallic arts. Strict limits and rules. Sel magics are just raw power leaking through and the users have to shape it to make anything happen, but they can do anything. and sel magics have the most Varity due to this lack of direction. at least 5 different magic systems and they are completely unrelated. Even arguing that Scadrial has 3, they are all based on metal
Elantris is the only Sanderson I think I haven't reread (besides Era 2, but they are a lot more recent). So I totally forgot that their gods are dead and those shards don't have bearers! That obviously has to be related to the unmade being captured... still so many questions though.
A question I have always had is with Lightweavers abandoning their oaths... How would that work? For someone like a windrunner who is swearing to protect or an edgedancer who is swearing to remember, it is very obvious how to abondon those oaths. But what about lightweavers? I would love to hear thoughts on that. I would thing something that they would have to start to deny those truths that they spoke? Does that mean Shallan reconstructing her oaths mean that she essentially is having to again fully accept certain truths about herself?
That's how I interpret it. I think she convinced herself she didn't kill her mom, she didn't kill her dad...and her re-accepting those as truths about herself is essentially redoing her oaths. I'm just still curious about what oaths she said BEFORE those ones...she must have been very young. Her past still fascinates me.
@@Bookborn Oooh that's an interpretation I didn't think of. Her telling truths to Pattern is really her making up for what she did to Testament and getting back to where she originally was on the trail of oaths with Testament years before. There's still a lot about Shallan's past we don't know!
@@ciaranirvine Her past excites me the most, I think, because messed-up mysterious pasts are always the most interesting haha. Well, her's and Jasnah's...I'm convinced something very weird happened in Jasnha's past.
@@Bookborn Yeah that mysterious "illness" when Jasnah was young. That will definitely come up again. Also the Nale interludes when he is hunting incipient Surgebinders including our Lift...What if some spren have been trying to bond humans ever since the Recreance, not just recently? There's no way of telling if the Iriali shoemaker interlude is recent, or hundreds of years ago. We saw at Adolin's trial that even the Honorspren are divided. So many questions :)
Further then a Seon leaving Sel how does Vasher travel worlds if Kelsier can not considering both are essentially spren or investiture become sentient. And the ghost bloods interest in Rosario is easily obtainable investiture they can take back to maintain Kel but Vasher just travels there to do so.
Well vasher and Kelsier are in very different circumstances because Vasher was a returned, whereas Kelsier died and was stuck in the cognitive realm, which is why he is having so much difficulty
@@Bookborn yea, he has a body in era 2 Mistborn though and is still on planet. Also Spren are pure investiture and Hoid has his spren in Yuma and the nightmare painter. Also from the sample reading of secret project 4 sig sill has a spren which there are answers another question you had in this video because the spren talks about being dead and he talks about oaths forsaken yet still has living shard blade so clearly dead eye spren will be solved in book five. Idk maybe there is just a more simple answer for kelsier but investiture being tied to a word but spren not being is kind of weird to me.
aluminum blocks effects but I don't think it would stop effects already in place... particularly if it's because of trapping the unmade. But I'm into the idea of aluminum dust lol
I think Seons can leave because all of the investiture of Dominion and Devotion was thrust into the Cognitive Realm after Odium killed their vessels. In this way, the cognitive realm, or shadesmar, is what their main being is tied to. And therfore since the cognitve realm spans worlds they are not bound to Sel as Honorspren, bound to honor and the storm on Roshar, are likewise bound to Roshar. Seons are free to roam the expanse of the Cognitive realm as the main bulk of their essence is already permeating this realm. This makes the most sense to me but maybe ya'll can expound upon or refute this idea!
I love this idea a lot (and it was the idea I was most attached to) until his live. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but Sanderson I think mentioned that it was hard to get that Seon off world? But maybe I'm honestly remembering wrong.
The unkeyed metal minds in the bands of mourning must have something to do with moving investiture off world. There is the metal (that I forgot the name of but, it explodes when in contact with water) this metal can store connection so it seems to me this metal can store the connection of something like a seon to it planet in a portable way. With a seon connection stored in this metal it should be able to go anywhere. This is just me theorizing I don't think there is anything solid to confirm this. Another example of this idea is the translator medallion. It fools your soul in to thinking it is from or connected to the land you are in allowing you to speak the languages of the people on that land. Perhaps a seon's soul could be fooled into thinking it is from whatever land it is in.
I had no idea Brandon’s other books were part of one universe. I was kind of irritated to see rhythm of war taking about other worlds. I like fantasy not sci-fi. But now it makes more sense but also makes me feel like I have to go read all Brandon’s books now for it to make sense. Does this mean the other books are going to cross into stormlight in books 5-10. Like an avengers crossover?? I’ll have to read the other books I guess..
I'm not sure if it'll crossover that much. There are some characters in Stormlight that have been in other novels, but their presence is minimal. Although, my guess is as the Cosmere goes on, that'll become broader. I mean...as a huge Sanderson fan I'm like GO READ them! haha. I don't think it feels sci-fi once you read it as it's less about space exploration and more about the magic systems working together. Warbreaker is my personal favorite and also, imo, has the most crossover with Stormlight :)
I thought his goal was to start on worlds that were connected but with low technology, essentially fantasy, but to grow toward connecting the different worlds eventually when the tech gets to the sci-fi level. Obviously there is some crossover before this as there are world hoppers. Just a theory, but I am thinking that in the end, a new form of Adonalsium will emerge and reunite the shards to complete the story from breaking to reformation.
Could it be that the reaction to bounded Spren had at breaking oaths n become Deadeyes could be similar to the problem Elantris had? We know Elantris is an add/misfit to the rest of the Shard, I personally always thought of it as the planet itself is a living organism like Pandora from the movie Avatar or Ego from the Guardian of the Galaxy n it had a shard of power. Elantris use magic to come from the planet itself, n it can be controlled/manipulated by runes and artifacts/fabrials by those that are Investiture. Also, only the Chosen-ones/Investiture has access to use those powers. DeathEyes only started to happen after Honor was killed but it Shard/Power it still lives, we just don't know-how. On the New book DAWNSHARD (Spoiler coming) we also discover a new Shard that was sealed n living organisms composed of Billions of Microcreatures that become bigger beings of life. Roshar is also unique with constant renewable energy with Stormlight and a unique connection to the Rhythms of Shards on the Cosmere that Apparently everyone wants it n others wish to come to it. There fore where is Honor power/Shard if it still lives n where the constant renewable energy from Storms comes from? there is a lot of talk about Unbounded Bondsmiths since Honor is not around to put limits to their power making them capable of destroying the world if a mistake is made Similar to Elantris that have no boundaries on what they can do but 1 mistake n everyone is F***!
You can't find out who Renarin's crush is by watching the live stream. Brandon was going to RAFO it, but Isaac kind of dropped the ball and let people in the live chat (which is turned off) know. Anyway, people answered the question latter in the comments section.
@@ViperRT99 I can dig it, my favorite human /nonhuman ship is kal and leshwi. Idk if that’s where Brandon is going with it but I think they would make a cute couple
@@thereadingnook566 Never thought of that romance! I think I could dig it, although I wouldn't mind if they became more like...battle partners because of their mutual respect for one another. Although, don't ask me because I almost always prefer friendships to romances lol
According to the audobooks it is He-Moe-lurgy. The first two syllables are identical to Hemoglobin the stuff that carries Oxygen around in your blood. And the thing the Deadeyes remind me most of is the fall of Elantris. When the magic of Elantris broke the Elantrians went from basically inhumanly beautiful and immortal (the good kind you might want) to deprecated ugly shells who couldn't change themselves although they were affected by changes from the outside sources (mostly sources of pain), which seems similarish to Deadeyes. We also know the sealing of BAM (not trying to spell the Unmade's name) at the end of the False Desolation caused something to go wrong on Roshar with the Sibling no longer hearing the correct Tone to allow it to make Towerlight. Considering that what was special about the False Desolation was that BAM was the source of the forms of power rather than Odium it seems to support this hypothesis.
I was wondering if it had something to do with Honor splintering like Dominion and Devotion, but Honor dies after the Recreance. What was it about binding BAM that made deadeyes? and How does it relate to what's going on with the Dor? All question we probably don't have enough info to answer right now.
@@Bookborn my line of thought is that the shattering caused a break in the Recreance-era bond, Sel-style (thus my emphasison 'chasm'), creating the dead eyes
@@DocHogan Yes, I think this theory is the most popular right now. Someone said they thought it related to capturing the Unmade by a huge loss of connection.
Who knows? He has many aliases so maybe he only uses the familiar one when, like you said, he wants to warn people. Or maybe it just makes it easier on us readers lol
SPOLIER I’m pretty sure Shallan did not use Pattern to kill Tyn, as her shard blade formed from mist and presumably took ten heartbeats to appear. She must then have two shard blades. However, I don’t understand why Maya appearead with the group in Shadesmar in Oathbrinfer but not Testament,
It's okay if everything is full spoiler in this chat :) I was thinking that. Like she does this thing in the first two books where she's like "pretend it takes 10 hearbeats to manifest" and you think its just because she is hiding that she's a Radiant. But NOW after this reveal, you're like...maybe she didn't want to face the fact that she abandoned her oaths. It's so complicated! She didn't say her second oath with Pattern until very end of WoR correct?
@@Bookborn She’s said several truths now, but I’m unsure to who, Testament or Pattern. She first said “I am afraid” or something a,one those lines in WoK before going to shadesmar and turning the vase into blood. Then, she said “I killed my father” before going to Shadesmar and being rescued by Jasnah. I’m pretty sure those were for Testament, but I’m unsure. Then, she met Pattern for the first time on the boat, and the truths she has spoken since have been “I killed my mother” and “I killed my Spren”.
@@alexherrera3020 Ok, so you are saying that those were the oaths she re-said to Testament? That would make sense, I think...Except maybe not because he's still a deadeye, so how could she have resaid those oaths to him? So much to think about...
Well she may or may not need ten heartbeats for Testament. As for her not being there during Kholinar incident, I think it's because of them going there using Lashings while the dead eye would have to walk for weeks to get there.
@@Bookborn I just stumbled upon your channel today and subbed. I think Shalan broke her oaths with Testament after the death of her mother. She arrived in Kharbranth without a spren and bonded with Pattern there. I believe that she abandoned the shardblade that killed her mother (Not sure if theres a variation in the appearance/patterns of the specific type of sprens blades. For example, do all cryptic blades look the same?) anyway Shallan doesn't have that blade because she'd hear the screams of Testament every time she touched the blade. My theory could be wrong but I do recall that in book 2 where Shallan was trying to activate the Oathgates for the first time, she pulled out Adolin's blade and she heard screams in her mind. And in response to Alex, I do recall she kept thinking it takes 10 seconds to summon her blade, and then she mentions it to Pattern and he says it's not 10 seconds. Also, after she arrives on the Shattered Plains and falls into the chasm with Kaladin, she gives Kal her blade to fight the Chasmfiend, and Kal doesn't hear screams in his mind. I think Testaments blade must still be in Shallan's house, or was hidden by her father. The thing that I can't understand is how she always saw a glow from where the blade was hidden as a child. She kept saying that was her mothers soul. It's the only mention of a blade/spren glowing in that manner while being "trapped". I could theorize for days on this and I just want book 5 to be released so I can put all this to bed. I love Brandon, but he really knows how to - mind my French - mind fuck his fans.
Aren't there only eight notes in an octave? I'm only a piano player so I don't really know haha. Sanderson did say on his live chat that the number of shards he picked was pretty arbitrary, so I wonder if this is just a good coincidence.
@@Bookborn Oh man, I really wanted this to add up, 16 tones for 16 shards. It just makes a lot of sense, each shard has a tone (as mentioned with Vin hearing Ruin), and being able to hear them using copper, then the idea of having perfect pitch allows you to manipulate any of the Lights for any tone, the Cosmere ramifications are just incredible here. I just want this to be the case, I'm gonna say tones are different in the Cosmere and there are 16 of them. There, problem fixed. :D
@@rock53355 Won't lie that's literally the first thing I thought when I found out haha The reason I think he wasn't a Dragon is doesn't Hoid says he only knows one? And Hoid would probably have known Tanavast...
