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Update! Your suggestions please. Soldering white metal ¦ Restoring a special Terrier. 

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In this update video we look at two projects currently running and I seek your suggestions and ideas going forward?
Model railway bench work.
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Mike
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@alanbowers6554
@alanbowers6554 Месяц назад
Your dad's models (and your memory) never cease to amaze me. How on Earth do you remember the shop owner's dogs name?? In all seriousness, really impressive stuff all round. I never tire of seeing his models, always a treat. Very useful information about soldering whitemetal too. I must confess, I've built quite a few whitemetal wagons, mainly Roxey products and stuff from thw Broad Gauge Society. I tend to do that shameful method of gluing the parts together. In all fairness, I've never had one fail yet, but its always possible. Maybe one day, I'll try to do it the proper way. All the best, Mike! Alan Bowers
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Many thanks Alan ☺️ it's amazing what memories there are. I did think about using glue but wanted to try soldering as that's how dad did it.
@gospelman7222
@gospelman7222 Месяц назад
I remember going to Tony Collet's shop many years ago, I think it was in Winter Road in Southsea. and it was called Tony Collet's Music Shop. Presumably he sold records. I don't know as I only visited for model railway bits. At the time it was the "go to" shop for models among the modelling fraternity. Happy days!
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Ah yes Winter Road is correct :) Yes he did sell some records and cassettes which had train recordings on. Brilliant shop, do you remember the glass cases under the shop counter?
@neilfarrar6217
@neilfarrar6217 Месяц назад
Thanks for opening this can of worms, I think many of us will take something away from this series. My best wishes for your restoration project, I'm sure its going to be a very interesting watch. Following with great interest.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thanks very kindly 🙏
@simonturner5450
@simonturner5450 Месяц назад
Mike, I can really recommend Tony Wright’s Building Locomotive Kits series of videos on RU-vid. It’s about 5 hours worth but he covers everything in a very easy and calm way. We might not have his asbestos finger tips but the Master knows his stuff and it’s a pleasure to witness his skills.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Oh good tip I'll look him up
@simonturner5450
@simonturner5450 Месяц назад
I tried to post a link but it doesn’t look like it works. There’s a playlist by Chris Walsh and parts 13 and 14 look the most relevant but it’s all good TBH
@simonturner5450
@simonturner5450 Месяц назад
Mike, I think your exact question is answered in part 4 around the 24 minute mark.
@robertgates7686
@robertgates7686 Месяц назад
Cleaning off the oxidisation of the white metal with a fibre glass pencil until it shines prior to soldering may help.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thanks great tip
@Night_Ferry
@Night_Ferry Месяц назад
Hello. Temperature is a bit low. While it will melt the solder the actual work has quite the heat sink effect. I generally solder white metal at 150 degrees. Sounds a bit aggressive but it's fine if you don't hang around for too long. I also use a normal rounded chisel tip. Load it on the flat face and use the top edge to flow the solder in. You are also being a bit mean with the flux. I use an old paint brush to paint the flux in. Try not to breathe it in. Important tip. Use a dedicated tip for white metal soldering if possible. On first use tin the tip with regular electrical solder as a barrier. Then you can solder as normal using the low melt stuff. If you have some spare white metal parts turn the temperature up a bit and see how long it actually takes to melt them. I think you will be surprised. White metal has reputation like ice but it's really not. Might make an interesting short video Humbrol RC410 olive green is a spot on match for 80's Hornby olive green. It's made by Hornby so I assume they colour matched themselves. Phoenix precision olive green is lovely paint. Goes on like silk. And yes I would say that's an A1 terrier given the plate under the smokebox joining the splashers.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Excellent info thanks. I'll try all of this
@gs425
@gs425 Месяц назад
Hi Mike. You may recall me mentioning before im an electronics engineer. What you really need is a temperature controlled iron. One with a stat as close as possible to the tip. Then you have the beef of the full wattage to mainatin temperature, because as soon as you start to melt solder, touch flux, or touch the part, heat is sunk away really fast. Just using a variable supply like this will be almost impossible to use. You can get a hobbyists adjustable iron and stand for very little money so its best to do that.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thanks,bi do have an adjustable one but it doesn't go low enough, I'll have a look for others
@DennisLora2001
@DennisLora2001 Месяц назад
Nice how to video Mike
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thanks
@DennisLora2001
@DennisLora2001 Месяц назад
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited You're welcome
@ausfoodgarden
@ausfoodgarden Месяц назад
If you can get the Carr's Yellow flux that is definitely for white metal. It even says it on the old bottle I've got As others have said, a temperature-controlled iron will assist greatly. I used to make up white metal car kits some time ago but by no means an expert. Cheers!
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thanks very much 😊
@rodericfindlay4147
@rodericfindlay4147 Месяц назад
Nice video. Very brave to solder on camera. I do like both Terriers.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thank you very much! 👍
@chrisvaughan159
@chrisvaughan159 Месяц назад
Hi Mike, yes you spotted the A1/A1X difference, and the smokebox front plate confirms it.. I've successfully used Precision Paints Southern Light Olive, it's an enamel like Humbrol. Try out before committing but slight shade differences shouldn't be too apparent given the paint will be on the wheels. Good luck with the white lining I also solder whitemetal at around 150C, for large castings even higher, but don't forget to turn it back down to solder small parts or they will disappear before your eyes! (I know, it's happened!) The old method of deconstructing a whitemetal kit was to boil it in a saucepan of water........So whitemetal is safe at 100C (Guess it didn't do much for the paint though!). You didn't say, is the chassis brass or a block of whitemetal too? If whitemetal that would explain the wear. Very interested in seeing how you get on, especially curing the axle waggle. All the best Chris.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thanks very much Chris very useful tips there. It is a brass chassis but had loads of use
@robindow5742
@robindow5742 Месяц назад
Hi Mike i think the flux is the most important part of soldering white metal plus maybe where you place the clamps when completing the job also cleaning the white metal thoroughly regards Robin
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Good tips thanks
@martinbrain3372
@martinbrain3372 Месяц назад
I think that the enlarged bunker was for IoW work.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
I seem to remember something about that
@hamshackleton
@hamshackleton Месяц назад
Years ago, I tried soldering white metal - and melted it! Ended up using araldite!
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Lol, fingers crossed 🤞 I get further
@kellyparkstone3520
@kellyparkstone3520 Месяц назад
I usually have my soldering iron set around 150°. The two pieces to solder should be clean and shiny. I use a 7% flux phosphoric acid based. You're not really touching the two pieces to be soldered, but the solder itself, it should flow along the joint. You can use the solder to build up any holes or gaps. Dont do what i did when i first started and wash it off in hot water, It will fall apart 😂
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Blimey, I just read about hot water washing so I'm glad to read your caution
@petersmith4455
@petersmith4455 Месяц назад
hello Mike, great video. soldering i am eager to learn, sams trains is not better than anyone,whats kellyasford on about ?
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thanks Peter, I like to try and do things using the minimum required, that way I learn more. I like getting advice from others. I've not seen the other comment
@Alexander_Sth
@Alexander_Sth 24 дня назад
I would rather glue white metal than solder it to prevent it from zinc pest or white rust.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited 24 дня назад
Oh? Tell me more
@Alexander_Sth
@Alexander_Sth 23 дня назад
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited I'm sure you know about white metal "rust" or "desease", because this problem in well known about 100 years. Until last few dozens of yeart nobody know why white metal (cars, Marklin trains and so on) things suddenly start to destroy. Sometimes was idea of temperatures, sometimes phisical things. Fabric didn't knew. You buy something 10-15 years it was ok and somehow it became do sand just in your box. As you know actually problem was in the technology, which should be very strict and components of white metal as well. I'm not sure, but guess it is possible that if you melt and solder white metal loco details it could lead potentially in future for such cases. Maybe not, but if it was problem for big fabric, at home I would rather use glue. Like Endfest 300 which is really strong. For figures I use parts of drill to make it even more stronger which was safety cutted in towel.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited 12 дней назад
Great info thanks
@kellyashfordtrains2642
@kellyashfordtrains2642 Месяц назад
Ask Sam's Trains, my favourite RU-vidr. In some of his videos, he uses a soldering iron himself. Sam is the soldering expert around here. He can give you tips and advice better than anyone.
@petersmith4455
@petersmith4455 Месяц назад
in your opinion.
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Месяц назад
Thanks for watching
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