I thought the most recent version of the future books plan was Mistborn 3.1, Sel 2, Mistborn 3.2, Sel 3, Mistborn 3.3. I could be misremembering though.
Is that chronological order or release order? I thought that’s just the order he was going to release them in but that doesn’t mean the books are strictly in that order chronologically. I could definitely see it as more of a concurrency between the two series.
@@jacobgorman3260 I believe he is reforming to the sort of the video where he says that the next books being Written are Elantris 2 and 3 as you are correct
The titles of the Stormlight series form a Ketek, the Rosarian poem, of you just take the first letter of each word. TWOK WOR O ROW KOWT So, you can say Brandon kinda shot himself in the foot when he decided that.
@@RookBoneI think the original tital 'Stones Unhallowed' sounds much better, but he's gotta get that ketek. Also, I have a title suggestion, but I'm not sure it fits: 'Knights of Weathered Truth'. 'Wanton Truth' would also work if 'wanton' meant something different
My head canon is that Nomad skips to the planet across from where Yumi takes place and causes the big event that Hoid mentions in Yumi. Thanks for the overview!
So I just finished reading every piece of canon cosmere literature I could find but I don't remember reading anything about Odium going to Sel or some of the other background information you mentioned about the Shards. What book did you get this information from or are they just theories? I just wanna make sure I didn't miss anything. Thanks
I believe these are WoBs: bits of lore that Brandon has talked about when asked questions. I don't think Odium's activities are in any book outside of Stormlight
@@whyonthefall5373you’re probably mostly right about the WoBs but having just read Arcanum Unbounded I can say Odium is mentioned at least once in one of the Khriss essays
Previous to Stormlight coming out, it was only confirmed in interviews with Brandon. However, we get it officially stated in the epigraphs of...Oathbringer I believe.
Now i am re-audibling stormlight and I just read an article today that had Sandersons suggested reading order (usa today article) 1. Way of kings 2. Words of radience 3. Edgedancer (which i had in a compendium) 4. Oathbringer (which is the one i am currently on in my relisten) 5. Dawnshard (which i was previously unaware of but saw in the audible list for the series and bought) 6. Rythm of war (which i bought on release but never listened to) 7. The sunlit man (which I have never heard of and did not see in the stormlight list but see it as the 4th book in the specail projects list). Thats all to get ready for the next Stoemlight that comes out in December. So question. For stormlight only, do I need to read the rest of the special projects or is Sunlit man a fine standalone that I dont need the other specail project books for? I may circle around back to the others when I redo mistborn and the others but right now I want to focus on Roshar.
I think MB era 4 is probably the final cosmere timeline event. There's a theory that hoid is trying to Connect to all the shards which I subscribe to and clearly Yumi is his attempt to connect to Virtuosity and in Tress he finally Connects to devotion via gaining the powers of an elantrian. So if MB4 is the final conflict I think it'll be at the very end of the timeline
Elantris has the least in it to help place it in context, and I actually put it later than that big ol' timeline spreadsheet says. But yeah, they're probably really old, at least relative to their birth. Probably haven't strictly experienced all those years though, as Brandon has confirmed that longevity through time dilation is a thing in the cosmere.
@@TheCosmerenaut I also have no idea if Brandon is gonna mess with relativity or what would be up with those "time dialations". Like it could be that they have experienced living for a shorter amount of time but if they returned to Elantris 1000 years would have passed. Super hard to know atm I'd say
Would love to figure all this out reading on my own, but i just started the cosmere with elantris and mistborn first saga (it took me some time) and yet, it was only 5% of Brandon's books.
I don't quite get this, is the time going paralel between thoa two lines? Or you just saying that Vivenna/Azure is several hundred years old in Oathbringer
@TheCosmerenaut It's not even that long. Each book takes place over a year or two max. You can guage this by the chapters in the Stormlight books that say "X years ago." For Kaladin these typically go back 6 or 7 years. Shallan's flashbacks are closer to 4 years in the past. Dalinar's are the longest at two or three decades, but those events happen two or three decades before the assassination of Gavilar in Way of Kings Chapter 1.
Wouldnt this timeline make characters like Shai insanely old? Like between 2000 to 1300 years old at the bare minimum? She appears in mistborn era 2, but to my knowledge has no way of sustaining herself for such a long period of time. Even the returned like Vasher are only in the hundreds of years. And no ability in the Sel magic system would prevent aging outside of being an Elantrian, which is a stamp she doesnt want to use. In your original video you discount Elantris as a world the five scholars could have visited due to the Dor. But i dont see it as likely that a forger could make themselves age thousands of years with no issues in comparison to the Elantris/Emperors Soul stories taking place far later. Furthermore, the Dor seems to allow worldhopping done by Hoid, Galladon and Shai. So it might be part of the area around Sel making it more difficult or it spread through the entirety of the cognitive realm, only accessible through Sel and the stricter rules applying to its magic. So worldhopping seems to work even with the Dor active. This would mean the two stories might be moved up the timeline to happen in between Mistborn era 1 and 2. I think general investure does boost lifespan and decreases aging on average, but not to that degree. I would love to hear thoughts on this even if my comment is late as hell.
In the current timeline as we understand it, yes Shai and Codenames would be super old. Brandon has said he's probably changing where Elantris fits, moving it up significantly, but we're not going to get concrete info on that until Mistborn Era 3 comes out.
@@TheCosmerenaut Aah i see. I thought i missed some lore reason for Shai to be ancient. But im glad to hear that this is already known and will probably be accounted for. Thank you!
Hi. I'm a bit surprised with your estimation of 100 to 200 years between Mistborn Era 2 and 3. I'm assuming a similar advancement in technology to ours(but slightly faster). In Era 2, there's about be a new convertible model for cars which corespond to our 1930's-ish. Considering the tensions between the nations in Era 2, the chronology seems to match well with ours. My assumption is that there will be at most a 50 year gap before era 3, and characters like Marasi will still be around and playing background but crucial roles.
I fully disagree with your hypotheses about the timeline for Mistborn eras 3 and 4. I think you are trying to conflate those technological advances of Earth (even which, we went from electricity to internet in far fewer than 200 years). If you recall, someone petitioned (I believe successfully) Harmony to aid in the science progress of a certain people. I think said people will be reaching era 3’s storyline within 40-50 years of the end of era 2.
My only issue is, doesn't the events of elantris and storm light happen at the same time? Since the old elantrian was put in a portal and ended up in the storm light as a herald?
Brandon's probably moved Elantris up significantly at this point, though we won't know for sure until he releases the sequel. Originally though, Riino was just super old.
Wow, is that one of the very rare prints I did of the Santhid page for the 2017 Oathbringer release? The stock of those were lost after the show, so the only ones in the wild are the ones I sold that night! I have no idea how many got out there, but it's way less than the 50 numbered. Hold onto it! ;)
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@@TheCosmerenaut No, Kingmaker is not the Sixth of the Dusk sequel. Kingmaker is an unrelated story that is *also* set on First of the Sun. Brandon has done a reading of the first chapter of both books, so we know for a fact that they are completely unrelated stories. The Sixth of the Dusk sequel still has Sixth as the main character, and seems to deal with the immediate aftermath of the ending of the first novella. Meanwhile, despite being set on the same planet, the first chapter of Kingmaker has no reference to any of the events from First of the Sun. The main character of Kingmaker is not Sixth but rather a woman named Talaku.
Brandon has said in interviews and Q&As that the city of Elantris predates the kingdom of Arelon by hundreds, if not over a thousand years. I don't think it's explicitly stated in the books, but the people of Arelon migrated to that area and found Elantris already built and abandoned. wob.coppermind.net/events/275/#e7592
I think I would have add another event in the timeline. Before joining Cultivation on Roshar, Honor was on his own planet (Ashen ?) in the same system, that eventually got destroyed because of spoilers.
@@reklessbravo2129 If I'm not mistaken it's the other way around. SPOILERS AHEAD Cultivation was on Roshar with the listeners while Honor was on Ashyn with the humans who recklessly used a more potent version of Surgebinding until they basically destroyed their planet and they fled to Roshar. I think that's how the story goes, at leat that's how I recall it.
@@tithannisk7470 potential spoilers Odium came to Roshar with the refugees from Ashyn, so it makes sense he would have spent time there. I've double checked the Ashyn coppermind article, and they've linked a wob stating cultivation spent a little time there (and Ashyn's magic is apparently cultivation based, which does make sense for diseases giving you powers)
@@reklessbravo2129 yeah I checked the article too :) My bad. But the fact remains that the destruction of Ashyn seems imo important enough to be mentioned in the timeline.
