Please take Dragons Breath and Blast Wave in m+. 2 icicle graphic should end in Glacial Spike, not ice lance. Sporecloak nerfed, go 2x Shadowflame (might transition blue silken lining, but they are the same base item).
@@Manather thank you for the video. 5* as always. Even for a frost mage m+ player only, is it worth to change azureweave into 2x shadowflame in s3? What would be theoretically the best slots for that? Same slots of azureweave (shoulders and feet on my case) or legs and feet/waist? thank you!
@@NNOITRAftw azureweave got hit hard, so definitely worth to drop it. As an m+ player I’d probably transition to 2x blue silken lining. As for the place of it, eventually it will end up on cloak and bracers, but early season for ilvl you can put it in any piece that sims well for you, just avoid tier slots.
The most generous streamer ever sharing their entire setup from WA to Addons and layout. You didn't just help me with learning the spec but also the best setup to use. Subbed.
This is insanely helpful, thanks for the walkthrough. I immediately upped my damage with the right aoe rotation, that cone of cold refresh to double the frozen orb is something I didn’t come up with on my own. I appreciate the text into the video gameplay, really helped me understand
Well done sir, great tutorial. I tried to watch a tutorial to help my girlfriend with her sewing machine yesterday and it made me appreciate how impressive your tutorials are. The sewing community has no concept of how to do a tutorial. Just a person fumbling with a phone set to record. They made threading the machine so complicated, it made feral or arcane rotations look simple.
Thank you so much @Manather, this guide has helped me out a bit, I was just looking for some fine tuning for my gameplay and you brought to light some nuances to the Frost gameplay, that I was looking for answers for!
Gosh you are amazing! Followed you a year ago and my comp broke. Finally getting back into dragonflight and playing. Felt lost again but you bring it all back together. Thank you so much for these great videos!!!
havent played frost in years, came back to it for this season per raid roster. man target swapping, etc, too much brain. can i just enjoy a class where i can actually look at the boss and mechanics too without albert einsteining the game. this is crazy. either way great video, ive learned alot and im sure it gets easier with memory. but dam. after playing a ret paladin, this is so much work, ret i just flop around jumping while spamming big dps and i can heal myself lol, its just fun
Thank you for the amazing guide. Extensive guides like this really help bridge the small pockets of missing knowledge of some of the mechanics at work. Looking forward to the arcane guide if you have the opportunity to make one. Love the streams too!
Already made an arcane guide, but I removed it since the arcane rotation changed significantly after it was released. Its the same rotation as 10.1.5, but on opener you do the filler rotation till 18s on siphon storm -> first big burn.
Bro love your guide, I spent the whole flight watching and watching, and when I arrive to the hotel I used it. Very useful Info, Weak Auras and Similar, hope I can found you online on twitch to give my twitch sub.
couple questions and i'll probably add more as i go along 1. when at two icicles, why not frost bolt -> flurry -> ice lance -> glacial spike? 2. why only ray of frost at one winter's chill? Does it eat both stacks if you have two? Everyone mentions use it at one stack but no one says why
1. You would, assuming you dont have fof which would take prio over the frostbolt. 2. Ray generates fof, if you use it with 2 winters chill you will lose an extra ice lance to munching.
Hi Manather! Thank you for the wondering guide! I have a couple of questions that would always confuses me while playing frost and was hoping you could have some answers. First one is that, with the 4 pc, do we just GS once we reach 5 icicles immediately, or trying to fish for a flurry with frost bolt so that we shatter that GS? Also, do we hold ray of frost if Icy Veins was about to come off cooldown? Thank you!! 😘
Hi, your guide has helped a lot! I just having a little problem because I can’t seem to wrap my head around the 2 set price in raiding. Another frost mage was getting “glacial burst”(2 set peice I believe) in his meter. I don’t understand how I wasn’t procing that or what I’m doing wrong to proc it.
thank you so much for this guide. this really helped me with my rotation and priorities on procs. i was doing a 5 min parse and my damage overall is around 180-190k dps in 515 ilvl gear. does that sound about right or should i be doing a lot more single target?
Great tutorial.. i'm completely new to wow.. i've been trying to get into it since the game came out but always just quit after the free trial ended. This time I bought the level 60 boost to force myself to get into the pvp and give it a shot. Do you recommend playing the actual campaign at least once before jumping into pvp or is that even necessary? I've never been a big pve fan and I think that's why i've never gotten into wow but I heard the pvp is great.
I would just jump into pvp, pve has very little relevance to it, what you really need is to learn what other classes can do so you understand how to play against them, so the best way is just to queue.
I notice in your builds you take Cryo-Freeze x2 , instead of Spellsteal and Remove Curse . Is there a list of dungeons in S4 where Spellsteal and Remove Curse are or aren't useful ? E.g. in Ruby Life Pools it's quite useful to steal the fire guy's shields .
Cant remember if this was filmed on ptr, but i leave spellsteal and remove curse talented always, moreso the dmg parts of the build to follow than the utility.
On that note of shimmer I can tell you I will never ever take Ice Flows as it is another damn button and it annoys me so hard that I can barely fit my buttons already to comfortable keybinds and I honestly just like it more I am used to it. The guide is great though, thank you so much
Why is the perfect combo explained at 4:54 glacial spike -> flurry -> cst -> ice lance -> ray of frost. When you cast ray all winter chills are already consumed and ray is not shattering?
Glacial Spike and flurry combo work like this : the 3 hit of flurry give you 3 WC. But you can only have 2 on a mob. But the Glacial Spike travel faster then the second hit of flurry so it consume it. Kinda work like this : flurry 1 hit WC applied, GS hit consume WC, flurry 2 and 3 hit and stack 2 WC on target. Then Cst doesn't consume your WC, ice lance consume 1 of the 2 left and then RoF doesn't consume one but since there is 1 active on the mob you get the bonus of WC. Idk if I explained it right haha but gl !
You helped me with increase my dps by a lot! I was listening tot he wowhead guide that stated to never cast a glacial spike unless you can shatter it. Now I’m spamming glacial and shatter when I can and I’m pumping! Thank you! Is flurry stronger than FoF? If I’m casting frostbolt and have brain freeze then FoF procs, should I cancel casting? Or finish and waste FoF on winter chills?
Never cancel casts, its the worst thing you can do in wow generally speaking since it introduces dead time to our rotation, same as moving poorly. Flurry is stronger than fof, but we only prioritize it if we are currently casting a spell, so we dont overcap them.
Hello! Thanks a lot for the video it helped me understand a lot of the core rotation. However I still have a small question regarding Glacial Spike. It might just be me being absolute trash still but I sometimes happen to have 5 Icicles and no Flurry/Winter's Chill ready. Should I hold onto my 5 icicles until I can apply Flurry or do I cast Glacial Spike on cd? Please help!
This was nice guide, just restarting wow account and i feel better with this guide. Do you have a guide with al your macro's and keybind you use in the game?
I don't, macros arent really that big of a thing to have as frost aside from removing the reticle on blizzard and freeze. Keybinds are personal preference but you can see all mine during the gameplay sections of this video.
hey, i have a dumb question, if i do not have the TSET, do i still have to use the glacial spike on aoe targets or is it to bad and i shouldnt use it? iam not sure with that, thnak you very much this video is awesome just switched from fire to frost, the other question is, when i go the normal aoe build (not subzero) do i have still do nova them before glacial spike?
yes you should use glacial spike even without the new tier. And the novas are used after glacial spike, and yes if the mobs are freezable you do always want to nova after the glacial spike - its so you shatter both the main target one and the splitting ice one.,
Now that we're a few weeks into the season, are there any dungeons specifically that you'd recommend running the Splintering Cold/Frostbite (Freezable) build on?
hI !! I Use this rotation AOE Icy Veins + Frozen Orb -> Comet Storm -> Cone of Cold -> Frozen Orb -> Comet Storm -> Blizzard -> Shifting Power -> Blizzard) Could you tell me why it's wrong, yours is a little different I fight AOE, I read that the right thing to do is to use ice nova next to the spike, and in ST fights use flurry next to the spike Could you tell me if this is correct?
Thanks for the comprehensive guide. I dont unterstand the flurry holing till 3 icicles: Is it, that if we have 1 icicle and we have brainfreeze proc we flurry after FB, but if we have 1 icicle and we have no brainfreeze proc, just natural flurry, we hold flurry, spam FB till we have 3 icicle and FB>flurry>GS?
@@Manather Ah, wow, I didnt know that FB at 2 Icicles counts as 3. Tested it and it makes sense with guaranteed shattered GS (and sometimes icicle proc). So the decision to hold a flurry after a FB will be only at one icicle. Great! Now I can squeeze some little more dps out, ty!
Great Guide, thanks. Question: when you're at 2 icicles, you frostbolt into a flurry. If it goes bad, you have 4 icicles now. What do you do then? It seems like it would be way more dmg to do another frostbold and do the 2nd combo in the example with glacial spike, no? Am I missing something?
Hello. Thank you for this material. Since you are among top mages from the game can you tell what is decent DPS that forst mage item lvl 480 should make on M+ like 18-20? There is no mechanics in training room, you can just stand and cast spells but in real life you need to avoid AOE etc. The time you move- you dont cast. You dont cast- you dont make DPS. I am frost mage too. I know the rotation, but my DPS is far below my comfort zone. Just would like to know what level of DPS is good enough/normal for my class. Thanks.
@@Manatherokay, I see you say if we are going to get another use then we might want to stack, in M+ do we jsut stack it up for a big first pack? Or stagger?
so your ST is that for Raid? and then the second talent tree is your mythic? You said in the mythic part that you could run that talent tree for anything but are you referring to basically any mythic and or are you talking about raid too? sorry im new.
ST for raid yeah and any mythic for the second tree, there are always a couple raid bosses you swap a few talents for that can resemble the mythic build, but I'd just check wowhead/warcraftlogs for that
@@Manather I used the wow anaylzer and it keeps saying my pre cast winteres chill use is terrible but i swear im using ice bolt and then as soon as it shoots flurry idk what im doing wrong?
I started playing my mage again for the first time since shadowlands so I havent crafted anything yet. Still stack shadowflames for M+/raid? Also heard the silken mastery patch and Amice of the Blue shoulders are just as viable now depending on uptime, but haven't seen a lot of data to compare everything yet. Thanks for your videos theyre very helpful!
Switched to mage recently and I see Frost simming a decent bit higher, but logs are heavy Arcane for this raid. Just curious why that is... Are people just comfy with it from previous tiers or does it just line up better on most fights?
its meta so a lot more people are playing it, and it lines up well for several fights. Frost is still quite good on multiple raid bosses (over arcane even) and fully viable on all of them.
hey man, best guide learned frost in 2 days to an acceptable level. But what about ST rotation with M+ talents? i have problem with all the fof procs from frozen orb/blizz.. should i stack fof with winters chill on ice lances or rather do ice lance after i spent winters chill on other stuff
Hey, gj with your guide Manather! One question about ice lance management, if I got the 5 icicles but I've at least 2 fingers of frost waiting cuz of frozen orb is worth to throw one or two of them to not overstack+ having the damage of fingers of frost + gs with winters chill + winters chill icelance? Or is just not worthing overcap icicles for just a little bit of more damage from icelances? I'm currently 420 ilvl with trash gear so I understand gs is not at max potential and dmg comparisions are not acurate to what an endgame build will looks like on details. Thanks in advance!
for your M+ build do you ever recommend not taking the glacial assault talent and instead taking cryopathy, chain reaction, or frostbite (with subzero)? i see glacial assault on every single build and curious if you've ever simmed without it
just to clear up something, the "root to shatter" priority. are we needing to get either freeze/ice nova/frost nova off before glacial spike hits the target? aside from freeze which I suppose you can put down right before glacial spike cast finishes. I feel like ive been doing it backwards lol which doesnt make sense in my mind
came back a second time to re-watch the part about embellishments cause i couldnt remember why you said wrists were the best place to put one of them. but i couldnt find a timestamp, did that part get cut ?
Yeah, they nerfed sporecloak so it was inaccurate. Atm just go 2x Shadowflame again. Later in the tier we will likely transition those pieces to blue silken lining, but they use the same base item.
Hi Manather, if we go by the 5th example combo 4:56 and you have 5 icicles up so then you glacial spike into flurry and ice lance x2. When glacial spike hits is it going to benefit from winters chill? when i've tested it on a target dummy it's not consuming the winters chill and isn't 100% critting.
it consumes a winters chill that is refreshed by your flurry, since flurry has 3 projectiles. This interaction wont work if you are too close to the target (generally at or slightly out of melee range), and its reasonable to not see 100% crit rate on GS unless you have like 34% crit.
So essentially, if you want to cast flurry make sure you don’t have winter’s chill on target, and make sure you are casting glacial spike or frostbolt into the flurry? Is this correct?
Not really a question but just want to confirm I understand this detail: I get that I'm sending glacial spike even if I don't have flurry, but is this a situation we try avoid by holding last stack of flurry till 3 icicles? But if that last stack is a brain freeze proc we use it instantly, even at 0-2 icicles, because else it prevents us from gaining more potential brain freeze procs? If we get unlucky and don't get another proc, we send and don't shatter. Correct? Ty ❤ Asking because I'm giga stacked on gear now but my dmg still feels a bit disappointing. When looking at critrate of GS i was only at 60% so I think I need to hold more flurries (but not brain freeze)
Everything you said is correct. Holding natural flurries for 3 icicles guarantees the shatter on GS, and a lot of times your brainfreeze procs end up being used at 2 or 3 icicles since you were spending fof before starting a frostbolt -> flurry.
What is this "Freeze" ability on your bars and you talk about at 25:35? You're making it sound like a spell. That s-R icon doesn't seem to be a spell. That's a macro with a custom icon right? You just mean the freeze effect from Ice Nova or Flurry right?
May be an odd question. But what’s the general ST rotation after opener? I’m good at that, spiking well. But then I run out of dps and icicle generation….
is there a reason we use GS followed by a flurry, im finding that GS > Flurry doesnt consume the winters chill debuff. is it just to get the ice charges to keep the roation flowing?
Hi ty for video. I had just a 2 questions,one about furry, if i have to delay it till gs can beneficiate of it or use if proc at first/second fb?Second is about trinkets if we want always maximize mastery and play with trinkets that grant it or use intellect/versa trinkets (simcraft rate them better).ty
Use procs on first/second FB yes. We don't always use mastery trinkets, if you want only one on-use this tier your best combination would likely be Belor'relos and Augury of the Primal Flame for instance.
Hey I'm not sure you'll see this...but how come for ST and those scenarios we don't save flurry for before glacial spike so we can shatter? How come we do flurry into two ice lanes and then glacial spike?
so for ST if you dont have any way to shatter the GSPIKE just send it? dont want to hold it? and with ST i also sometimes end up with two Finger of frost proc as well do i prioritize gspike first with flurry or should i send the FOF first before i do gspike
I'm a little confused on the ST prio with flurry. It says "if no brainfreeze, hold for 3 icicles". Are we not supposed to use it after a frostbolt with only 1 or 2 icicles?
With a natural flurry you want to hold it till you have 3 icicles, which generally means using it after a frostbolt where you have 2 icicles while casting frostbolt
quick question that i havent been able to figure out.. why is it that sometimes when i have 2 icicles and casting frostbolt for the third into flurry to get 5 for glacial spike, sometimes flurry only procs 1 icicle making it 4?
Please, help me sir. You say: "What follows are import codes for Shadowed Unit Frames and Plater. Bartender can't be exported but I included the base blizzard UI import which is set up much the same. " But I can't import PLATER. And how u import that "ui blizard"? Can't figured out. Ty u in advance. Great work!
the plater import is a bit tricky since it goes very far to the right and then has some short lines under it, just ensure you copied only the import for plater and captured all of it and it will work. As for the base blizzard ui, if you open edit mode in game you can import those settings.
