I just outfitted my new shop dust collection system with these. While I'll need to give it more time to see how well they perform with clogging, so far so good. I would think an underpowered or low CFM collector may increase chances of a clog and why I upgraded to a 1250 CFM system with a 6" main pipe run. Plenty of power to run 2x 4" ports at once. Even with the relatively minor leaking these gates allow, it does not come from outside the system like traditional blast gates allow through the slots the gates sit in. A feature they have that I love is the slightly tapered design of the connection itself, making it easy to fit any of the pipe/connections/hoses I used. I used DWV PVC pipe and attached with 2-3 sheet metal screws, then foil HVAC tape to seal the joints. Again, time will tell and I'm happy with the performance so far. They are not as cheap as traditional (higher quality) metal gates, but also not unreasonable (roughly 2.5x the cost) when you consider not having to modify the older style gates to keep them from leaking from outside the piping, especially when they are in the open position.
I went with the Nordfab tubing, fittings, connections and blast gates when I installed my system about six years ago. I like the fact that the tubing segments clamp together - no plastic cement, no screws, easy to disassemble and reconfigure or take with you if you move. However, I have had a problem with two of my five blast gates getting dust packed in the tracks and keeping the gate from sliding closed. This throttled gate sounds like a better engineering solution since there aren't any tracks. Love these videos; they're like taking an undergraduate course in mechanical engineering.
Actually, butterfly valves are way worse for clogging with long shavings. There's a reason everybody else uses slide valve gates. You need a through slot, though, with the sliding gates, not a stopped slot - anything that gets in the track just gets pushed out.
After having read through all of these comments, I could not find anything related to the small amount of "dust" which caught on the gate at the bottom connection/axle. An extremely simple solution would be to rotate the entire gate 90 degrees so the gate axle was horizontal instead of vertical. Therefore there would be no axle/narrow area at the bottom of the gate to catch anything. With the operating lever in line with the gate, it makes it easy to see when the gate is open or closed. If the gate were rotated 90 degrees, it may or may not be easier to see the operating lever and the position it is/was in.
First, instead of using large strands of wood. Show something practical, like actual saw dust. The strands of wood catching on the gate could easily be resolved by simple rotating the connector 90° - let gravity help sucking _everything_ away. As for big chunks, I agree: why are big chunks even being sucked up? The obvious solution is to have a grate on the floor sweep tube or inline, someplace, to preclude that. My floor sweeps came with a
I see this clogging with a continuous flow of chips. It would be nice to see this in use with a planer hogging off a lot of material. It was mentioned about big pieces not being sucked into a dust collector. In my shop if it fits it ships to the bin. In my experience any point where air flow can be interrupted or a piece of wood can get caught starts a clog immediately. Otherwise I think this design would have been created decades ago. Seems like this was not tested outside of woodpeckers. I love your products but this one just doesn’t seem like it was thought through.
Watch the last scene of the initial product release video. 15" wide planing cut about 3/32" deep....all the Powermatic planer could handle...and the valve cleared perfectly.
Looks like a good product,fair price. Who wants to wait for 4 months and you have to pay now. All your products are good but the lead time is terrible. Must be addressed . Thank you TW
We would love to be shipping at time of order, but we're not going to shut down the R&D department because manufacturing can't get raw materials fast enough. Sorry for the delays, but we're not the only company with long lead times right now.
@@Schopsy I haven't been charged if I buy from Woodpeckers with a credit card. If bought from a third party or with PayPal, I think the purchase is paid up-front. Which raises the question...
Since standard gates are sliders, which allow for a full, unobstructed path for debris, what are the fundamental benefits of this new design? Is there any issue with turbulence, as one of the features of efficient dust collection is laminar flow of air. Also, if anyone uses these with metal ducting, they should attach a bridging metal strap or a copper wire from one duct piece to the other, otherwise the system will not ground.
Downsides are disrupted airflow, and clogging with longer shavings. Benefits of more money for Woodpeckers, because naive people will buy them just because they can add to their red tool collection.
If that were true, you would have a point, but sliders do not allow a full unobstructed path. We bought every one of them on the market, plastic and metal, and with few exceptions the gate does not fully open the duct pathway. The biggest problem with sliders is the track, which fills with dust and chips and prevents the gate from fully closing. The workability of these gates is also a solid benefit. Hose and pipe fitment is much, much easier than any others.
@@WoodpeckersLLC They may not be on the market but there are plans readily available that avoid all of the deteriments you mention. The designs have a hole and a solid potion in the gate where by the track is always occupied to prevent jamming, the bottom of the slide is always occupied to prevent an air leak, and finally there is no stop in the air path giving 100% unobstructed airway. Check out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SC0y-CnaBVc.html by Scott Walsh, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-szyitz53nzM.html by Magnus, and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HTzF1xQkITM.html by Rosa String Works. I'm sorry Woodpeckers decided on this design. Between the fact that longer shavings will catch (I have issues with the screen on my DC catching shavings and this is no different) and only available in 4" I will not be purchasing them. Of all the great items Woodpeckers makes, I expected a more novel design that would address all of the issues. Not just trading one problem for another.
I was about to order these but was confused about which one to order. There is inline, surface mount and fitting. Not sure about the differences and was expecting this to be clarified in this video.
Sorry. Here is is . Inline has a hose fitting on both sides. Surface mount bolts or screws to a cabinet and has a hose fitting on one side only. The "Fitting" is not a valve. It's just a hose connection that you can bolt or screw to a cabinet.
Hi Jeff. Very nice video. I just watched a video from Bluespruce Tool Works and it sounded like you narrated it. I also noticed that Bluespruce Tool Works has the same address as Woodpeckers in Strongsville Ohio. I wonder if you could tell me the relationship between the two companies. Thanks
Will these be a One-Time product or will I be able to get them at anytime? I'm starting out with an order for two but may want more if these fit my needs. Love your stuff and can't wait to try them out. Thanks.
Have you made any attempts? I just received mine and am looking to replace the handle with a servo. I used the video from "I Like To Make Stuff" youtube channel for a start and I have the servos wired up and working, just now looking to adapt to these blast gates.
My dust collector system uses 6" PVC pipe. Do you make a 6" blast gate for a larger system like mine? I have a 5hp Clearview cyclone system with about 2500 CFM.
How long will this item take to ship, a month, 2 months, 6 months?? or like my indexable combo double squares 5 months and counting..... I am a fan of Wood Peckers stuff but these wait times have to be addressed.
Agreed. I would rather be told "This will take 7 months to receive" and then if I get it in 7 months I'm satisfied and if it comes in 5 months I'd smile rather than "this will take 5 months ti receive" and get put off two weeks at a time until we reach 7 months. It's a PR problem.
Hi Jeff! I wanted to know if you will offer any other sizes, i.e. 5" & 6"? My powermatic planer takes 5" and the main line is 6" drops - then down to 4".
These look like well made and well thought out components, as we’ve all come to expect from Woodpeckers. Any thought to expand the range to include other dust collection fittings like elbows, wyes, reducers, etc? Also, any thoughts on a 2-1/2” series for those of us who don’t have full size 4” systems?
If I placed an order tomorrow how long would it take to get it delivered to South Carolina? I’m about to put together my DC system and need something quickly. I’ve got 9 items ordered from WP already but have already waited almost a month for them but not a single one has shown up yet. Can’t afford to wait for these if I go this direction.
@@WoodpeckersLLC I gotta be honest I’m not used to ordering things and waiting months to get them. I wish this was more clear. Honestly I would NEVER order anything like this.
@@KevinBrown-xo7jr when an order is placed there is an estimated shipping date right below the item you ordered. I’m sorry you may have missed this when you ordered. We are working diligently on production so hopefully these might ship sooner than expected.
Made my own. Fitted my entire shop of 17 fittings over a weekend. 4 month wait is definitely not acceptable when I have orders that can't wait to go out.
The first few seconds of chips being stuck on the gate was enough for me lol... And no 6" option. Pointless. Much better designs on thingiverse you can get 3d printed.
I know what you mean. It took me a lot of research to find this. It is an NDS 3P12. It is an adapter to go from 4" S&D (sewer and drain) to 3" DWV (drain, waste and valve). 4" flex hose fits perfectly on the outside of the 3" DWV fitting side. At your home center of choice, look for it in the yard drainage section instead of the plumbing section. Most of the fittings in the plumbing area are for 4" Schedule 40 pipe. The fittings for 4" S&D are with the yard drainage.
These are available from a number of sources. I've found that Peachtree is the cheapest but I've also seen them at Rockler and Woodcraft. I have a boatload just for this purpose.
I don't like this product but I'm not going into it, rather I have some advice for fixing 2 problems that these seem to have. There is no detent or stop for when it is closed and when it is open. Who wants to look to see if either of these were achieved? Can you see the gate if its mounted under your table saw? No. For open its always going to be a finicky thing which a slider valve simply doesn't suffer from. There is no need to be able to rotate the valve 360* Instead a stop just like a ball valve has would be better. Either a stop or detent would be much better than a guess for when its open... or closed. A disc with detents would still allow you to move the lever 360*if you think this is a selling point. BTW showing fine sawdust rather than heavy strings of wood would be more indicative of a lack of flow when closed.
I'm a big Woodpeckers fan, but these blast gates leak like a sieve. I bought 4 of them and plan to return them. They are terrible. Sorry Woodpeckers, but that's the truth.
I'm a huge fan of Woodpeckers but the lead time is getting more ridiculous by the days and Woodpeckers do not seem to care to address this issue. The perennial excuse of not having the material is just a joke. Are you even listening to your customers?
What exactly do you want us to do? We're adding buildings, mills, lathes and people as fast as we can. We're struggling like every other manufacturer to get material, whether you believe me or not. If we stop selling, we die. I'm just not sure what you think we should do.
@@WoodpeckersLLC How about having a large supply of a product in stock and ready to ship before you announce it? Isn't that what everyone else in the industry does?
