Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Discovery 5.7 - Erigah 

Reno has been criminally underused ever since she was introduced wayyyy back in Season 2.

We have seen that "You don't need the nice translator because I understand your actual words." thing a thousand times and not always great. They nailed it with this one.

The Betazoid Dr being named Marina was a nice connection

You didn't UP T'rina's joke about a tribble infestation?

When they said Beryllium, my mind jumped to GalaxyQuest's Beryllium spheres.

Stamet needs Book to check out the library card. That's an up for me.

SEVEN OF LIMES! Had me rolling!

Absolutely love T'rina in this season, i think the actress nails it she really comes across as not just a competent leader of her planet, and diplomat, but she really comes across as a familiar vulcan but with an edge she would have from growing up in a romulan unified vulcan. She reallly reflects the subtle changes to their society, so good

Reno is always on point

T'Rina's needs of the many speech also gave me 'In the Pale Moonlight' vibes. Yes, there will not be war today, and all it cost were the lives of two criminals and the self-respect of Starfleet officers. I call that a bargain.

In fairness to Zora selecting Reno - I'd just like to think Zora was referring to anyone who fits those parameters currently on the ship.

There was part of the negotiation scene that I hoped Rayner would get an Up for - At 17:15 in this video, Burnham is about to be called to sickbay. As soon as she beams out, Rayner immediately steps forward to represent his captain in the meeting. Given the rocky start that he had being demoted and reassigned as an XO, I found this gesture particularly poignant. This guy's growin' on me! 🖖😋

The duranium shadows trick originated in "The Emissary." "The Way of the Warrior" was a callback to that to show this time, they truly were armed to the teeth.

Is it weird that, even after five seasons, after it's gone from extraordinary to routine, I still get a thrill every single time from "Black Alert!" and that klaxon?

As far as the right or wrong of turning Moll over to the Breen, after President T’Rina says, “Unfortunately, it seems there is little to be lost by allowing this, and much to be lost by keeping her”. It reminds me of Spock saying “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one” after sacrificing himself to save the crew of the Enterprise in The Wrath of Kahn.

The Breen's one true weakness... *gullibility* 😅

Chief O'Brien also used thoron fields and duranium shadows to bluff the Cardassians in "Emissary". "Major, we only HAVE six photon torpedoes."

I give an Up to the amount of 'Whoopsie daisies" in this Ups & Downs episode 😂

That quick confab where they discuss whether to give Moll over to the Breen: congratulations to the showrunners for managing to squeak a Kobayashi Maru scenario into the story without actually *saying* the words "Kobayashi Maru". Also: WHOOP-sy daisies!

So, the Breen's refrigerator suits regulate healing and some sort of life support. Also, it allows them to stay in Jelly state inside the suit. They say jelly is the true Breen. Simular to the Changelings who prefer to be in liquid state.

I have really enjoyed T'Rina. She seems to be exactly what Spock and so many Romulans and Vulcans wanted near the end of the TNG Era. The best of both worlds. She is Vulcan but she also has her emotions. Her emotions don't run away with her but are instead a strength added to the powerful Vulcan mind. Seemingly the perfect diplomat. I adore her character!

I had a similar discussion with my family about how the library card could somehow show Book where the library is now, but eventually rewatched the scene and heard Stamits theorize "what if Dr Derex created a transitive link between this card and the place it came from" which i imagine means Trek "science" to explain how the card could tell Book where the library was now.

This season has the best version of Captain Burnham so far.

And it sucks that we've just lost Detmer and Owo for the rest of the season for no reason.

Take an Up for that shirt! lol

1. He didn't share his trauma in the War Room because he was cut off and kicked out before he could. 2. Major annoyance: Writers who create a situation that is live of death and depends on the traumatic information, and then, "I can't talk about it."

Petition to rename this show to the "Whoops and Daisies" of each episode. Great program y'all ❤

It took me a sec to understand what was your t-shirt....I laughed for so long I had to rewind a section and watch again

i love how you keep bringing up the exit shot of the dreadnought like 80 times during the observatinos

Sean, you gave an "up" to Culber's uniform, but it didn't register. Love your breakdown, as always! 🖖

There was a reference to Marina Sirtis. "Labyrinths of the Mind, a Betazoid manuscript written by Dr. Marina Derex. "

I imagine a Seven of Limes is a Margarita

I love how much of a puppy Sean is with the ups. Half of them are just because this actor or this character or this person was present. He's like a golden retriever.

Started a drinking game with "whoopsie daisies" ...I'm on the floor now. But Seven of Limes helped with that a lot!

Doug Jones was busy doing press tours for Hocus Pocus 2, that's why he isn't in this season a lot.

Love your shirt. I'm watching a series on RU-vid of a couple where they're watching through Star Wars, the husband is a longtime fan but the wife is seeing them for the first time and she keeps referring to C3PO as "the Tin Man". She also calls nearly every alien she sees a fish.

Seán saying whoopsadaisy is my new ring tone.

The arrival of the Breen ship gives me Shrike from Picard Vibes

Goddamn, Moll, L'ak, and Book can all get thrown out of an airlock at this point.

Love all the new lore on the Breen! I think this is a good edition to their lore as a whole, and I think the entire society is so interesting!

I laughed out loud at Oded Fehr's character's rank being given as "Dadmiral." Absolutely perfect for him, no notes whatsoever. :D

❤ the single down and multiple ups around Reno! Hilarious

I love many things in this episode and this Ups&Downs, but this editing of Cetacean Observations was unique!! XD

Sean, you made 2 mistakes in Cetacean Observations. 1) While Martok (I believe it was the changeling, since the real Martok didn't recognize Word in the prison camp) did refer to thoron fields and duranium shadows, the procedure was first used in the DS9 pilot "Emissary" by Kira and O'Brien to trick the Cardassians into thinking twice about attacking the then-unarmed station. 🙂 2) Tau Ceti is not the Traveler's homeworld. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "Remember Me" both listed his home as Tau Alpha C, not Tau Ceti. This may seem like a difference that makes no difference, but unfortunately, it's an issue of sloppy writing in "Journey's End". This may seem a bit obsessive, but I'm autistic, and precision with continuity is a big deal with me. 🙂

My Latinum Up is for @seanferrick for sneaking in "Jelly Breen" -- a term I learned after last week's episode that I PRAYED he'd use!

I kinda love that Burnham has a version of herself from season 1 in her first officer.

Ups & Downs & Whoopsy Daisies this week. Nice! Thanks Sean.

BTW, the library was a CGI enhanced (many more floors) Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library at the University of Toronto. The hexagonal lighting column is real.

24:45 Doug was off doing press stuff promoting Hocus Pocus 2.

The writers in DISCO have such a different writing style and messaging than SNW. In the SNW episode where Pike goes into an alternative future where he and not Kirk captains the Enterprise, Pike makes the wrong call for by not attacking the Romulans. Here, we have the opposite message where the Federation prevails by seeking peace rather than fights.

Raynar's backstory reminded me of Captain Ben Maxwell and the Setlik III massacre.

Was hoping Dr. Culber got an up for putting up quite a fight in sickbay before getting stunned. Bet it surprised her that he did better than the security guys.

Can't wait to see the badlands roll on next episode

Oh Sean. Y'all are amazing. Can you tell I'm from Texas? Sheesh. Sooooo I think this analysis was one of your best. Well done mate. Two things. That t shirt! Omg. I have to get one! So great. Secondly, you guys had me rolling on the floor with "whoopsi-daisy". Dead. Dying. Thanks for the laugh.

To be fair about the knowing what happened to Kellerun thing, no one knew who Spock’s parents were, even though surely Kirk should know as Captain given Sarek’s notable services to the Federation. 😂

Thanks Sean you always help me with things I miss ❤

THANKS for this!!!

The library card is telepathically connected to the book. Marina didn't need to know where the library would be. The card points to the book, wherever it is. Which is how, er, Book, figures it's the Badlands.

14:38 Don't forget, before the USS Discovery showed up, The Federation and Starfleet were a shadow of their former self. They didn't have a lot of research, resources, etc. They used spare tech and ships from before and after the Burn.

love the shirt. great effin' episode. Ready Room kinda helps with the feels.

Stamets says there may be a transitive link between the card and the place it came from. Basically the card has a link to the library so when Booker is reading it he is sensing what is at the other end of the connection. It probably works on some sort of quantum entanglement on the emotional level. Remember we have seen long distance telepathic links in Discovery before.

Did anyone else notice that the Tin Man has his hand on C3PO's rear end.

Beryllium is also what the main mirrors on the James Webb Space Telescope is made out of. It’s so finely polished they’ve been working on the mirrors over 20 years before the telescope launched.

8:04 Meanwhile, quietly, off in the distance... 🎵Go Go Power Ranger...🎵

Really enjoying your ups and downs from the island of Guam in the Mariana’s Islands

I love that we have all decided he is Dadmiral Vance.

Moll looks so much like Gigi Edgly as Chiana in Farscape, or Daryl Hanna as Pris in Blade Runner. Some favourite characters of mine.

So love the t-shirt you are wearing!

Good episode. Finally moves the plot forward more

With so much at stake, how can security be so lax? Hang around to hand over information to a deadly enemy and then hand over someone who knows all about it. Stammits - talk about the big secret in the corridor. Carrying another planted device as you head off to the Badlands?

@12:07 - You mention the moving shadow caused by the BREEN Dreadnought ship - it is invocative of the scene in the INDEPENDENCE DAY movie when the Massive alien ships arrival casts a looming shadow on the Earths' moon, as the ship approaches Earth. I don't know if it was done on purpose, as an Easter egg, but it sure made me laugh (giggle with evil Glee -?) at the coincidence! - UH OH, They are HERE!!!

Came for the Primark, left with two pairs of jeans, three shirts and a five-pack of socks; still got change from fifty quid...

This was such an exhausting episode. Knowing that it is a serialised show makes it not that threatning to see the Breen at HQ in episode 7. Tilly with I have to go but stay anyway, Stamits with Booker: "you MUST help with the hint because this is oh so important and dangerous": why don't you destroy it then... oh yeah because we need to bring back Lok with it and probably someone from the Starfleet team too (Saru?) before really destroying it. So tiring. Lok & Mol are so exaggerated with the crew who are apparently completely socially handicapped and withhold information because "they shouldn't know that" which causes them to take actions that go against what they are discussing. And oh he dies - we didnt't see that one coming.. You can see evrything coming from a mile away, so it's really not the most pleasant episode to watch.

What’s with the quick cuts of Sean during Cetacean observations where it sounds like he’s saying “whoops sedated” or something like that.

Im so happy you noticed the sheer power of that warp shifting the ships!!!

28:35 I had the same thought originally. Perhaps it's not a telepathic imprint in that it's an image stored on the object, but perhaps it's a telepathic imprint of a link to the ship, so when he tries to read the imprint, he's seeing the ship would be seeing now.

I got to thinking about Rayner's family being lost by an attack by the Breen and you said that attacked happened in his lifetime. I think you were thinking in human terms. The Kellerun are not that well known and their lifespans could be very long. The loss of his family could have been centuries ago.

One thing I did like about this Episode. They mention the breen attack on earth During the dominion war.

I wouldn't down "the convenience" of Zora giving Tilly and Adira Reno's name - there were likely a number of people with some experience in rare documents, but it makes sense that Zora would give them the name of the nearest person, and out of hundreds of crew aboard Discovery, I think it makes sense that somebody would have that in their background, and it's great it was Reno!

The balance of a and b plots in this episode was very.good

I am sure you have heard by now.. but Doug Jones was on a press tour for Hocus Pocus 2 at the time of the filming of these episodes so was unavailable. Love your content .. keep it going!

I think the image Book sees is just illustrative of the _type_ of place the archive jumps to, there are several places that host that same phenomena, and the badlands happened to be the next one in the pattern they identified.

Tri-cordrazine is also a callback to Cordrazine - the drug that sent Bones McCoy bugnuts in the TOS episode "Guardian of Forever".

One thing that I love about Disco is that from the start I really feel like more than any other Trek series, Disco gives us a fuller view of Starfleet and the Federation. Hear me out.... Enterprise, Star Trek, TNG and espeically Voyager are all about a single ship being out in space exploring. On rare awesome occasions the ship and it's crew would interact with Starfleet and even rarer with The Federation. In Disco Season One we had Admiral Cornwell in a ton of scenes and episodes. Then in season two we got Pike, the Enterprise, Spock, and section 33. Then jumping to the future with a moble Federation, Disco is constantly "jumping" to HQ and interacting with Fed President, Ambassadors, and Starfleet Command, and I love it. Disco is really built for those who love that part of this world.

Love the slip on 5:15, Dadmiral Vance 😅😅

Veto on finding 31st century ships gorgeous: I thought the close-up shot of the USS Locherer was one of the worst SFX shots in Star Trek to date. But I'll still give the up for the "come down to Earth" moment between Burnham and Rayner on those old bridges to burn. That was... interesting. I'm not sure how it works in Star Trek vs normal human emotion. Mostly because the Roddenberry ideal was that we, as a people, could move past that hurt and humiliation to work towards a better future.

Take a Latinum Up for your shirt Sean, that is AWESOME 🤣❤️. 🤘😎🖖🇨🇦

Love these videos , Also I now need a “Reno” spin off for her S1-2 life & before

I was happy to be surprised by this ep. I was so worried last week when discovery jumped to Moll and l’ak that it would allow them to nab the artefacts and yeh final clue and get back in the chase I've also been half and half on the small universe feel of the season with the crew figuring out the correct clue locations with no duds but then being hidden in the TNG era does narrow it down a lot but it’s still a long shot with all the planets that have common elements like blue water beyond trill and betazed

Love your shirt! I'd love to own one too!

Also I love how ADHD coded Reno is. She's amazing.

whoopsie daisy .. lol

Love the T-shirt 😂❤

I wonder if Moll got a tiny bit of inspiration from Makee in the Halo TV series. Both are different in many ways, but both serve as an important link to an extraordinary ancient technology.

What about Lt. Tilly? She was referred to as a Teacher, so will this coordinate with Star Trek: Academy ? Did she come from the Academy, or will they have her leave for the Academy ? Your thoughts on what's going with Tilly and Starfleet Academy ?

The traveler was from Tau Alpha C, not Tau Ceti.

Nexus also travels in a pattern

massive down to book being in that last scene. literally no downside to giving her up

In case no one has mentioned it yet: The USS Mitchell = Gary Mitchell, TOS 2nd pilot episode, "Where No Man Has Gone Before". In fact, I was never satisfied with his "death" in the episode anyway as in my opinion he is essentially a "Q". Were I a Star Trek writer I would bring back he and Dr Elizabeth Dehner. In fact if the Star Trek franchise were ever to end entirely I would have them as the primary antagonists. It all begins with them and ends with them. The alpha and the omega. Just a thought.

I'm sorry everybody hold the phone. Where did you get that AMAZING T-shirt?!!??!!