[US Nationals 2016] ZZ-CT

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That guy who taught you cool tricks about reducing ZBLL is back this year to tell you all about the exciting new speedsolving method, ZZ-CT! One of the most viable ZZ variants in years, it sets up a LL skip 100% of the time!
But it gets even better! Same recognition as OLL/PLL! 33% 2-gen, 20% OLL skip, ridiculously short and fast cases, and 1/360 chance of LL Skip without setup!
How many "algs" are there? 108 for setup, and 72 to solve everything.
(But I'll teach you some tricks to get that number under 100!)
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@jonathanmellqvist2 8 лет назад

0:12 "So if you're expecting really cool stuff, I'm gonna let you down."

@MASTERMIND2368 7 лет назад

never gonna let you down.

@shablooey 5 лет назад

@@MASTERMIND2368 never gonna run around and desert you

@evander29 4 года назад

never gonna give you up

@rujon288 3 года назад

Never gonna make you cry

@vanle6611 3 года назад

@@rujon288 never gonna say goodbye

@NoahChin 7 лет назад

People everywhere that use this are going to be like "Wha- What?!? A LL skip? I'm going to have to rewatch that! Nvm, I always get them."

@ianmoore5502 8 лет назад

Learning WV before this makes this so much easier to recognize.

@crystalcleared469 6 лет назад

Rip everyone who learned zbll

@ColorfulPockets 8 лет назад

I know a lot of people in the comments here are saying this is too good to be true. I just want to say that it's not. ZZ isn't as hard as everyone seems to think it is, and this method is 100% the best method ever invented. Roux is close for 2H, in my opinion, but ZZ-CT is slightly better, and significantly better for OH. Caveat: I haven't actually learned the method yet -- I'm in the process of doing so. We will see if this opinion changes in a couple months once I know the whole thing, but I'm pretty sure it won't.

@jakeklassen560 8 лет назад

No way, EOline is not good for OH or 2H, and Roux has everything else that ZZ has, with less moves and faster fingertricks.

@jakeklassen560 8 лет назад

No way, EOline is not good for OH or 2H, and Roux has everything else that ZZ has, with less moves and faster fingertricks.

@nicolasromero1190 8 лет назад

+Ethan585790 what do you avg currently

@aaacubers3722 8 лет назад

+Jake Klassen actually it's harder to get fast tps with roux than cfop or zz

@jakeklassen560 8 лет назад

That's just not true. Roux TPS can be insanely high, especially the MU LSE. Also, it's a lot more move efficient, so it doesn't even need 7-8 TPS to be fast. Most fast solvers, including Feliks, agree that RUL TPS sucks for 2H. And of course, EOline is slow no matter how you do it.

@cubiccubes3079 8 лет назад

Chris train?

@animax736 8 лет назад

* Tran

@cubiccubes3079 8 лет назад

+Animax yeah, ik it was a reference lol

@shablooey 5 лет назад

@@animax736 r/woooosh

@Wikcan 4 года назад

No It's Chris Tram

@emperorzant2850 8 лет назад

This is pretty sick. I'd love to see some ZZ-CT example solves to have a slightly better understanding of the method, in case I want to learn it.

@oliverjenks7035 8 лет назад

Chris tran is a bloody legend. I love this guy

@gyroninjamodder 8 лет назад

So hyped I got his signature at nats and was able to speak to him briefly. (He was really busy on staff there).

@QuinsonHonQBB123XX 6 лет назад

This video inspired me to learn ZZ I haven’t tried ZZ-CT yet, but it looks very promising

@tuzkosalamon1450 8 лет назад

I think this is a key to the 1LLL because " evething is possible"

@troglastname4729 8 лет назад

technically its 0 look ll

@TheCubiverseCubing 8 лет назад

That's ZBLL

@waifuwu0607 7 лет назад

okay now i can just create a method that moves all the pieces to the right state and have 43 quintillion algs okay great idea

@niemelhansa3854 7 лет назад

yeah😂

@triple_gem_shining 7 лет назад

Your sound is so much better than LazorMonkey's I wish there was back catalog from 2013 seminars etc

@creamofthecrop4339 8 лет назад

I wouldnt say this method is a LL skip everytime. Its more of "orient all pieces and permute FR" then "permute all pieces".

@iurigrang 7 лет назад

CerealKillerOats THANK YOU! If this is LL skip every time, roux is LL skip every time.

@joeytarnowski6018 7 лет назад

Iuri Grangeiro Well Roux is a columns first method, and this a a layer by layer method. This is 2 look last slot, so it's technically a last slot, but kinda not really

@iurigrang 7 лет назад

Roux is not a columns first method and zz is not a layer by layer method. This is a 2 look LS+LL, roux is a "3 look" LL+DF DB, so yeah, same philosophy

@joeytarnowski6018 7 лет назад

Iuri Grangeiro No, Roux is an optimized columns first method. Columns first is when you solve the columns, then the rest. Roux just makes it more ergonomic by solving the RD and LD edges to reduce solving the rest of the cube to 2-gen. But ZZ is technically an EO first method, but it takes a block building LBL approach

@iurigrang 7 лет назад

LOL, then CFOP is a columns first method, it just makes more ergonomic by solving cross... If your little variation makes so you don't do columns first at all, then it's not a columns first method. What is a block building LBL approach? because ZZ's block building is the less "LBL" part of the method, since you're solving a part of 2 layers freely in no particular order, if anything, the only thing that resembles LBL to me on ZZ is LL.

@TheGarseeya 8 лет назад

or you could just use petrus

@Staticphase 7 лет назад

Petrus is the way to roll

@DialektLp 7 лет назад

IRONwolf or you could just use Petrus-CT

@chiggencubing3177 8 лет назад

Now you can be like MMAP every solve!

@poketube6681 8 лет назад

Chances are that some people already have learned the method just after this seminar

@DiegoTuzzolo 8 лет назад

Where is the website to learn this!!?

@W1LL-D 8 лет назад

gyroninja.net/zzct/zzct.html#page

@Critterpig 8 лет назад

THIS GUY IS A GENIUS

@diegochacon9487 8 лет назад

Is this Chris Tran?

@ethandennis368 8 лет назад

Yep. Well I assume so because he said "my method" and this is Chris trans method

@BenAdcock26 8 лет назад

This method looks great!

@pkliskiki1800 8 лет назад

I could kiss this guy.

@WalterReade 8 лет назад

Mind Blown

@Katzerax 8 лет назад

someone looks excited. your welcome.

@hellshaked6530 4 года назад

Cfop is better because of look ahead

@GeometryDashProgam3r 4 года назад

ZZ literally has better lookahead

@hellshaked6530 4 года назад

@@GeometryDashProgam3r no cus u spend a lot of moves not solving much so u have more pieces you have to look at

@GeometryDashProgam3r 4 года назад

@@hellshaked6530 > Solve EOcross > Have the same amount of pieces to solve > Lookahead is easier because you don't have to worry about EO > You only need to solve one pair before knowing where every F2L edge is

@rujon288 2 года назад

💀. Why you comment when you know nothing about ZZ

@thomashunter5043 8 лет назад

Im gonna go sit on a couch and stare into space for 12 hours. This is insane

@cubong9826 8 лет назад

ZZ CT is the future...

@boredguywithcards 2 года назад

Is this still a thing? It seems to have dropped in popularity

@ErenMichelet 2 года назад

If you want to know there is like one solid and active person who uses ZZ-CT. Swagrid cubing on RU-vid is very close to sub-10 with it right now and it’s his main method. I think among ZZ users (there are a couple including a sub-7 guy) it’s considered kinda bad, and ZZ followed by full ZBLL is considered the best version of ZZ. Also for 2 handed no one does a line on bottom and just solves cross then does f2l.

@chainbreaker8909 5 лет назад

how to calculate no. of algorithms in ZZ-CT, especially the no. of algs of TTLL? Mathematically.

@mikoajmackowiak6993 4 года назад

By combinatorics I think.

@clementguichet5726 8 лет назад

interesting method iwant to try it how many algs are needed??

@clementguichet5726 8 лет назад

oh i didnt read the description

@-wiresandfires-3864 8 лет назад

Already learning this, TTLL Algs on gyroninja's site are dope.

@gyroninjamodder 8 лет назад

Thanks. The algs on the top were generated by me, the bottom were by Chris Tran / Blake Thompson. I bolded the alg I liked the best.

@JEST3R_ 8 лет назад

+gyroninja you're OP. like, seriously

@abdulmuhaimin9780 8 лет назад

so what is the point where number of algs/1 move setup vs move count balance?

@cornertwistcubing3122 7 лет назад

It is official.....I am switching......Bye CFOP!

@owenbrooks2663 7 лет назад

Corner twist cubing lol

@husseins.7463 7 лет назад

So, how do you like ZZ-CT?

@LiamHighducheck 6 лет назад

I switched like a couple days after my first sub 10... Following in the footsteps of colourful pockets...

@maimunahzailani956 5 лет назад

I really wanna try zz-ct now

@AlexHall5678 8 лет назад

Much like OLL and PLL can be simplified into 2 look OLL and PLL, can this be reduced into a fewer number of algs so I can learn those and still use this method while I'm learning the rest?

@SereneAryal 8 лет назад

Hey Chris. Where I can find zz ct algs ??

@tempo_gg6106 8 лет назад

+LaZer0MonKey Lol at 0:32 ur just like,"ohmygod|it'schris tran|wait am in cyothekings vid?|wait, not gonnal look at dat humongous camera| in like 4 seconds lol.

@cfopcuber7399 8 лет назад

Cool Method!

@nicholastrusler 8 лет назад

You might need to change your name after this

@cfopcuber7399 8 лет назад

Higajifla lol

@cfopcuber7399 8 лет назад

I started learning but I don't know if I will cause it is hard to be color neutral.

@etherealpetrichor9572 8 лет назад

Sooooo, Chris, are you gonna quit learning ZBLL and start practicing ZZ + this method?!

@spacevspitch4028 6 лет назад

I feel like 10 years from now CFOP is gonna be like corners first 😂

@SpyralSMO 5 лет назад

that would be CFCE

@rujon288 2 года назад

@@SpyralSMO LMCF

@steventolerhan5110 8 лет назад

so many disrespectful kids solving their puzzle during the talk smh

@engstromresearch9895 8 лет назад

everyone isnt at the seminar, some are probably at their tables.

@engstromresearch9895 8 лет назад

wtf..he said "oll us 56 cases" oll is 57 cases mate

@sagiksp4979 8 лет назад

fierst

@afrocr6326 8 лет назад

not even close

@thenlnlkn 8 лет назад

genius !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@markyvandermost7259 7 лет назад

this made me switg to zz

@markyvandermost7259 7 лет назад

switch*

@Staticphase 7 лет назад

MJSkates Lies

@obamaisgote9567 8 лет назад

I must be confused - so you do an OLL algorithim or PLL algorithim in this method then do one of the new algs? Is this actually faster than learning CFOP and ZBLL?

@obamaisgote9567 8 лет назад

Faster than CFOP with ZBLL, not faster to learn.

@HyScore556 7 лет назад

yea, in here you force an ll skip, just insert the dge with few algs and than when u want to insert that last piece it forces the ll skip

@ianmoore5502 8 лет назад

9:44 You're welcome.

@ZaidKhalifa 8 лет назад

The description says 108 algs TSLE, but it's actually 102.

@gyroninjamodder 8 лет назад

104. I missed two of the algs on my site for when the f2l edge is in the slot. It makes sense because it's 27*3 + 8*3 (Then you subtract one because it's the solved case).

@ZaidKhalifa 8 лет назад

Why is your site down from a few days?

@abhijeetghodgaonkar 8 лет назад

@drayiss1 8 лет назад

is this 1 look last layer?

@joeytarnowski6018 8 лет назад

Sort of. It forces a LL skip, so technically it's 0 look LL

@milanvasic1931 8 лет назад

its last layer Skip and 2 look last slot

@tylerspecht8860 8 лет назад

Imagine Faz learning this

@Carsonlego 7 лет назад

Actually, there would be a point. Feliks has a very high tps, which contributes to his fast cfop solves. However, if he switched to this method, the solves would have a fewer move count, which means with his tps he could get much better times.

@ruzzcraze1862 7 лет назад

So can you solve f2l minus 1 with cfop then use your method?

@triple_gem_shining 6 лет назад

Ruzz Craze yes but you have to orient edges first

@mohammadkhalifeh6336 8 лет назад

If there wasn't the do line step this method would be the best

@joeytarnowski6018 8 лет назад

Eoline isn't that bad. Once you get used to edge detection it's actually pretty alright

@2epicasians460 8 лет назад

Hmm I'm sub 13 with Zz I wonder if this subset will help me get closer or farther from sub 11. I'm not sure if it's worth it....

@ethandennis368 8 лет назад

If you are a ZZ user definitely do it. Chris trans good with it. I tried switching to ZZ for OH but I didn't have that much motivation to keep going. This might be the kicker though. I think I'm gonna actually practice it. (I averaged like 26 with it before but I just sucked at eo)

@2epicasians460 8 лет назад

+Cubophobe Okay I'm still debating though... Since I'm sub 11 with Cfop, idk maybe it will help my zz solves be sub 10.

@casperTM 8 лет назад

holy fucking shit

@BasicUnderscore 8 лет назад

are you going to go over TSLE and TTLL?

@TheCDM1971 8 лет назад

Will you be posting notes somewhere?

@finlaymartins272 8 лет назад

he says there are 72 algs for the corner placement but on the website it says there are 94

@gyroninjamodder 8 лет назад

72 non pll + 21 pll = 93 algs. My website says 94 cases because of the "skip" case.

@finlaymartins272 8 лет назад

ahh i see thank you

@bzcubes3061 7 лет назад

i wonder if you could use 2x2 CLL algs to permute LL corners and then use h perm, u perms, and z perm to complete LL. 2lookll

@MarcelloSevero 7 лет назад

Yeah but there's a couple of caveats. First of all, some 2x2 CLL algs screw up the f2l edges, so you would need to use ones that don't. And secondly, this method has around 45 algorithms, whereas simple corner OLL + PLL has just 28.

@bzcubes3061 7 лет назад

well some of them have alternate algs. plus, 45 to solve the ENTIRE ll so full oll and pll would about 90 algs. It's double the algs

@MarcelloSevero 7 лет назад

Point is, it's pretty inefficient and there's no good reason to so it.

@bzcubes3061 7 лет назад

just an idea

@triple_gem_shining 6 лет назад

BZ Cubes its called cll ell.. :)

@diegoterrones9015 8 лет назад

Cool

@josephbertrand7196 5 лет назад

the ll skip is 80% of the time

@Liquoricilicious 8 лет назад

So ... Should we learn this?

@funicubing7340 8 лет назад

+Ethan585790 no

@2epicasians460 8 лет назад

I don't know if Chris Tran will see this comment but does anyone know if there is a 3 look simplification to this method similiar to Oll and Pll? If there is I will definitely learn this with a simple 4 look (or whatever) so I can keep solving with simple Zz-ct and exponentially expand (that's what I did with Oll & Pll)

@gyroninjamodder 8 лет назад

You can do TTLL by just using 6 new algs. But then your second look would be epll. You can cheese tsle by using sexy spam.

@2epicasians460 8 лет назад

+gyroninja ok thank you, where can I find these algs?

@gyroninjamodder 8 лет назад

+2 Epic Asians Off my site gyroninja.net/zzct/zzct.html

@2epicasians460 8 лет назад

+gyroninja thank you

@AtharvGoel 8 лет назад

+gyroninja There's like 109 + 94 algs according to the site when Chris Tran says there are like 100??

@danielsibaja3900 8 лет назад

where can I learrn it?

@finlaymartins272 8 лет назад

make a tutorial i am so confused with this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@cameronmckee8243 8 лет назад

Does this mean that I'll be able to solve the rubix?!?!

@animax736 8 лет назад

You coube be maybe bale not rubix fast slow slow intermede solve rubix.

@pkliskiki1800 7 лет назад

Cameron McKee you rubix solbe can but oly with much practicin

@indian9yearold802 5 лет назад

If you want solving the cube of rubix you can but with biggest practice

@867star 8 лет назад

Too bad there's no breakthroughs for EO.....

@gyroninjamodder 8 лет назад

Eoline

@867star 8 лет назад

yeah.

@ColorfulPockets 8 лет назад

What do you mean by breakthroughs?

@867star 8 лет назад

Like if there's some advancement in building the Eoline...

@Liquoricilicious 8 лет назад

Yeah, EO line sucks ...

@kyrawr83 8 лет назад

CHOO CHOO

@obscurecubing6561 8 лет назад

But then does that mean there is an algorithm for inserting the edge, and then another algorithm for the corner? Then that is two algorithms right? Can someone explain it a bit better because it looks like two different algorithms to me, or is it supposed to be 2 algorithms?

@nix207 8 лет назад

Yes, two algorithms for the last slot, but said algorithms deal with orientation and permutation of last layer, respectively.

@mohammadkhalifeh6336 8 лет назад

So I mean

@drayiss1 8 лет назад

could u use CT for CFOP?

@TheBrutux168 8 лет назад

Ehh, not really

@animax736 8 лет назад

Sure why not, just do f2l - 1 slot and then this, but I am switching to ZZ just for this. It is better optimised for ZZ in my opinion.

@TheBrutux168 8 лет назад

+Animax EO?

@drayiss1 8 лет назад

+Animax now that I understand the concept of CT, it is not for CFOP because ZZ orient all edges which is necessary for CT.

@2epicasians460 8 лет назад

+NeatNolan well actually Zz-ct is possible on Cfop if you can Orient LL edges during f2l pairing but it's probably not worth it.

@cubewizard4366 8 лет назад

This seems too good to be true.

@DiegoTuzzolo 8 лет назад

yeah

@igortarasow 8 лет назад

There are one disadvantage, zz-ct is zz variant, and zz is hard because of it's awful EO Line step

@moshitang4478 8 лет назад

Definitely.

@iurigrang 8 лет назад

Really, EO line is far easier than 100 algs.

@hzhang102 8 лет назад

+Neon Solves you could use with cfop tho

@moshitang4478 8 лет назад

Chris Tran is awesome.

@Lucas-zd8hl 7 лет назад

imagen CLL like cfop and ZZC-CT as TCLL

@blackflash9935 8 лет назад

Entropy isn't exactly disorder lol I hate that misconception.

@joeytarnowski6018 8 лет назад

Entropy: a degree of disorder or randomness in a system

@iurigrang 8 лет назад

No, entropy is a measure of the number of microscopic configurations Ω that correspond to a thermodynamic system in a state specified by certain macroscopic variables.

@blackflash9935 8 лет назад

+Iuri Grangeiro thank you

@blackflash9935 8 лет назад

+Joey Tarnowski dude a simple search doesn't always give you the right answer.

@slitharg4863 8 лет назад

+Black Flas (Mangala) in numeric systems entropy does refer to the degree of disorder, not the definition from the laws of thermodynamics.

@Jolofsor 8 лет назад

do people use ZZ for big cubes?

@pogonoah99 8 лет назад

Not really, cause on big cubes there will often be parity, which means there will not be an even number of "bad" edges, and therefore you can't make the EOLine. For ZZ to work on big cubes, someone will have to figure out how to do parity before the EOLine.

@Jolofsor 8 лет назад

+Noah Fence let's say someone uses hoya on 5x5. leaving a maximum of 8 bad edges and no parity. in theory it's possible right?

@pogonoah99 8 лет назад

Well, the EOLine requires a lot of inspection. On big cubes you don't get inspection time when entering the 3x3 stage. So I'd say that CFOP is the only viable method for big cubes, at the moment.

@rizzacuber3021 8 лет назад

Would this be the best new method!?

@animax736 8 лет назад

Sure looks like it.

@kikinfonseca948 8 лет назад

Eoline ruins all the fun, probably not.

@joeytarnowski6018 8 лет назад

+Василий Калинин Eoline isn't as bad as a lot of people say it is. I can get it sub 2 and I average 15. It's really not bad at all

@thedcuber3470 8 лет назад

Someone will get like sub 7 with this

@joeytarnowski6018 8 лет назад

Yeah

@joeytarnowski6018 8 лет назад

+Ethan585790 Maybe one day... I'm barely sub 15 though lol. Maybe if I worked at it; I might be there in a couple years

@josuepantoja4936 8 лет назад

hey I have a question so since I just got started I'm practicing my f2l improving and cross and doin 2 look oll and learning my plls is there a timer were I should start to leave that 1step last layer

@slitharg4863 8 лет назад

The problem is that the method that you are learning is CFOP and the one he is demonstrating is a variation on the method ZZ. You will have to learn a totally different method of solving to use it.

@Muffins3001 8 лет назад

+Slitharg it's not *totally* different, the only big change is the EO line, which can be kind of a big change but it's nowhere near as big as going to something like Roux

@franklingabrielronquillo 8 лет назад

alguien me puede explicar lo que dijo, en español?

@DipietroGuido 8 лет назад

En resumen, en vez de insertar el último par, usa un set de algoritmos para resolver todas las aristas, y después un set que resuelve las últimas 5 esquinas.

@franklingabrielronquillo 8 лет назад

Gracias :D

@DipietroGuido 8 лет назад

Perdón! En realidad es así: insertar arista y orientar esquinas + resolver el resto.

@John1175662 8 лет назад

Omg

@geogamer3126 8 лет назад

No entendí nads

@rafeverao4105 8 лет назад

Next step - 1 algorithm solve. How many algs? oh only about 8,000,000. Compare that to how many states of a cube there are, and that's pips! (Actually, thinking about it, well over half the states possible are already several steps into being solved... how many algorithms would actually be needed straight from a srambled cube?!)

@freakymundo 8 лет назад

Exactly (43,252,003,274,489,856,000 / 6). There could not be two equal algorithms which solve different scrambles. Except for those that are the same state but the colour is switched. Anyone correct me if i'm wrong.

@afrocr6326 8 лет назад

1st

@LittleDuckDuckGAME 8 лет назад

FIRST omg lol

@ensmatter1660 Год назад

The problem with ZZ-CT is because TTLL algs are really long and suck.

@pezpeculiar9557 8 лет назад

"We don't compete against each other, we compete against our own times" I disagree. I'm sure most people below 9 seconds are trying to get ahead of other people.

@telki1470 8 лет назад

I disagree. I'm sure most people below 9 seconds are trying to get ahead of other people, but they are still trying to beat personal goals. Unless you are the most competitive person, and you go to competitions all the time, you are constantly just trying to beat your own time.

@shablooey 5 лет назад

@@telki1470 I agree