Rugby will always have things happen to it to knock it down in the USA and that’s not because Americans don’t like it, the Americans I’v introduced it to over here love it, it’s because big money broadcasting hates the idea of a game that’ll go for forty minutes straight, with no ad revenue opportunities.
@@alohatigers1199Americans can already watch the english premiership (gallagher premiership) the problem is just that in rugby there is oy advert during half time. Meaning like 10 mins of adverts for 80 minutes of game + a lot of game replays which is what we have when it stops occasionally.
@@alohatigers1199 ….I bought a FloSports subscription and they would put adverts on during a live game, whilst the ball was in play, using splitscreen. One big screen for the ad and a titchy one for the game. Watching replays of games, they just go straight to a full screen ad. Fuggin annoying. PeacockTV is a lot better but they have a far more limited range of rugby comps, although they do have the RWC and 7’s series…. 6N too I think.
@@izzyreal6472 Any sport is boring if you don't understand it. If you look at American football, the game is 3 hours long but there is only 15 minutes of actual play, the rest is just standing around and ads. What's so interesting about that.
It’s not about size or athleticism. They are a horribly managed and choose shit coaches. I had friends go to the u20s camp and the selection process is insane. The athletes prerequisites are insane. I can’t even imagine the the actual national sides. These guys aren’t even small. There are 125,000 rugby players in the US. Compared to countries like Chile and Uruguay who at most have 15,000 registered rugby players and actually made the World Cup with way less money and players. That just proves it’s a management and coaching issue. It’s a management and coaching problem through and through. We have the skill and ability to be an up and coming tier 2 nation. I’m not saying USA rugby shouldn’t try expanding into those areas just to increase the player pool, cause they should but rugby is way more than just athletics. At the international level, that will get us nowhere. I’d put money that if we recruited NFL rejects or ex nfl players and ex college football players and trained them for a full world cup cycle (4 years) they’d still get there ass handed to them. Not because they aren’t physical but they just will not have enough experience or rugby IQ. Hell I’d bet Uruguay would beat them. Japan would smash them. The Uruguayan team is smaller and less athletic I’d say than the us pool of players now but hey they still beat us and made it to the World Cup. Rugby is way more complicated than that. It’s like a chess match that always keeps moving. USA rugby needs to be gutted and then we need foreign coaches dare I say it. And then USA rugby just needs to keep focusing on expanding and growing the sport. MLR is a good idea but grassroots rugby is how the game will really flourish. Trying to expand the entire USA player pool is how we will go. Getting more kids to start playing young and to keep playing. It’s too late to recruit players in past 20. Maybe a few but for a national team it’s unfeasible. Also I hate to say it but a lot of our players need to try to go and play abroad, which will be a challenge but we have had players go and do that. I’ve had coaches that have been saying the same gripes since I started playing in 2012. Horrible management, horrible coaching, not so great selection processes focusing more on athleticism than rugby IQ but on that I’ll say they kind of had to because the player pool is small but it’s a cycle because they need to focus on grassroots rugby and growing the game in the US to increase the player pool so the competition is higher. It’s a whole host of problems and it’ll be a long journey and tbh I’m not that optimistic. If we somehow get like soccer and have 4 million registered players, we’d easily be a borderline tier 1 nation, without a shadow of a doubt. Hell even half of that or a million. The biggest long term focus should be aggressively growing the game at the grassroots level to the high school level. GET PEOPLE TO PLAY THE GAME first and foremost and get their fucking shit in order for the long term. Short term they need a solid foreign coach but that’s gunna be hard cause usa rugby is so shit. It’s more nuanced then recruit big and athletic people to save the game in the US. The only reason we’re 18th in the world is cause most countries don’t have the population or money and some of those countries still made it. Like we would thrash Namibia. Go watch the squidge rugby RU-vid video on their team and union. Talk about a disaster of a rugby union. Corruption out the ass and basically no support but they still made it but the African competition isn’t that much harder the the americas qualifying. It’s a headache to think about. Makes me angry cause they are wasting a giant long term opportunity. I’ve thought and researched about this way to long.
US Rugby shut down for two years thanks to Covid and that had a huge impact on the national team. These smaller countries have national team players that compete together on the same clubs. With all that said, the Eagles drew with Portugal; who had a strong WC (why no extra time in an elimination qualifier?). The US men’s team also completed a successful fall. Plenty of upside.
@@evangreenberg1666 fantastic take. the fact there is no solid U6 or U8 programs across the USA is very very telling. that is how you become a rugby nation. get the kids playing. that is the key.
Man that sucks, coming from a New Zealander, USA sevens was just a glimpse of success USA can have in the sport. The atheletes and sports science is second to none of there. Hopefully they can get it sorted cause rugby fans worldwide just want good rugby competitions. The more elite teams there are the better the thrill is for us fans. Btw i got South Africa taking the cup this year 😂😂
I agree, USA athletes are the epitome of sports if they really developed rugby programs like in Nz, aus, Sa etc. they could really do damage in the future
As an Aussie, I reckon USA has great athletes to compete and have the potential to be super good. Just that most businesses or broadcasters as mentioned in the video allow their desire for money swallow their pride in Sporting.
@@HaulinOats315 should be divided in regions. West coast, Pacific Northwest, Central America, maybe the south can be split up and then the east coast. Then maybe usa rugby is at the top and ultimately do the selection process of the international teams. Each region has an all star team so to speak and they all play each other. Then the top guys in the nation for each international age level get picked for tryouts. Hopefully one day they make it into the NCAA which would help a lot. But ya regions or states would be a nice way to go.
And yet world rugby seems to have no problem managing the rest of the world; which if you didn’t know, is bigger than the USA. Shocking isn’t it, that the world doesn’t revolve around the USA? The issue is the innate greed in the USA. Look at your college football players; just because they can play football they get offers from the best universities AND full ride scholarships; along with having all their bad behaviour swept under the carpet. That’s what would happen if the USA got their greedy claws on rugby; greed and the sport would never be the same again. In fact the USA would start to dictate what the rest of the world’s organisations do.
So I am from South Africa (the defending world champs for those who don't know) and here our national body funds the game top down, it doesn't get funded bottom up. Different country but the difference in approach is striking.
Dont think SARFU has ever been or at least recently been in financial trouble and even if they were its much easier to get money back considering they have a much wider player base than the USA
@@piripibercic2211 in Chasing the Sun (the documentary about us winning the 2019 RWC) they clearly say SARU (haven't been SARFU for years) had to ask the broadcaster Supersport for money to help them through 2018. So it is definitely not accurate to say money hasn't been tight in the recent past.
As a Brit, I would like to know who will go to watch a rugby game in America. Well, maybe they will just because it’s the rugby World Cup. I don’t know.
I'd love to see rugby more popular in the states, it's a great sport that's actually pretty entertaining to watch. Too bad it's not as popular over here in America and everything is like a fuckint mob over here
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Danm!! Rugby is honestly good for America. Not just the sport but the culture! I hope they fix this! Lots of potential and I bet in like 20yrs we’ll be seeing USA in the finals. Their sports science is the best in the world!
@@lancesimon3301 If Dana White established an All American Super League, a tackles remain countdown graphic on screen, no draw, local players, etc; Rugby Union would be finished
I would like to see RU more popular then it is in the states but I can see Rugby league being more popular in the states as it is easier to understand for them. and the NRL are launching their 2024 season in las vegas which will most likely boost popularity over there aswell, Las Vegas also made a deal with the NRL to play some games there until 2028 for $200 million. it really does seem like countries are losing interest in union because of poor decisions from RU and are more interested in League now.
There is nothing like Major League Rugby for rugby league in North America. Rugby league sucks as an international sport. NRL is a good competition, and Superleague is ok. There is really no reason for USA to invest in rugby league. The best thing about rugby union is internationals. Americans would probably enjoy that if USMNT was a good team.
USA rugby is fine without NCR it just means less money they get really. The big D1 schools and most of west coast colleges still operate under USAR. And I think the RWC in the states will be a huge boost for growing the sport when it comes and will be successful. We just have to qualify as a nation now and make it Coming from a player who played on an NCR college team and now for a USAR club team.
NRL is doing good exposure for Rugby, I love watching NRL and think it'll continue to grow in the states. It looks hard tactically, skillfully, and physically and seems like it brings out the best of competitors. Easy to play but hard to master.
NRL/league code rugby can become very popular in the USA if it is properly marketed. Thereafter, it can readily be promoted in high schools and colleges. This will accelerate the growth of this great sport. As for union code, why bother paying USA Rugby - why not start start an alternative sanctioning group?
As an American who grew up watching Tom Brady, NFL is not that appealing to the world. You have to know about running plays, passing plays, defensive coverages, and to the casual audience, it’s hard to understand the game. You just wait until the shot clock runs out and you see them playing. It’s a STOP and GO. Like basketball, I don’t know what plays they are running but watching basketball is more simple and appealing to the casual audience. Unlike NFL, Rugby appears more simple to understand and I wish rugby grows in America to compete with NFL.
The NFL is designed to sell TV advertising. It's a simple as that. If we wanted to understand the moribund rules of the NFL we'd get it within a a couple of ours belueve me. America doesn't understand playing sport that has national identity at stake. Not competing corporations dressed up as various states. Rugby Union us a close to legalised combat as a sport can get. Add national pride at stake and it's a no-brainer. Take ut crom this Kiwi AB supporter. NZ rugby is a religion. We become indoctrinated at birth and black blood flows through our veins.. Believe it😮.
@@user-ll3bt3cd7b First, American football was popular long before TV advertising even existed. Second, what the fuck are you talking about with the combat sport thing haha. You know there are actual legalized combats sports out there, right? Finally, the anger from Soccer, Cricket, and Rugby fans is so funny to me because of how one sided it is. Americans are either completely indifferent to those sports, or are interested and open minded enough to learn about them. Why hate something you don’t understand?
If you guys didn’t know American football is an offshoot to rugby because back when American rugby was thriving in the 19th-20th century but when America became isolationist the rules kinda changed and know today we know it as American football
Rugby unlike other sports needs an organisation to oversee all the national clubs in each country. You need a system to group talent from clubs together and build cohesion for the national team. This is an old video and I hope they figured it out. Because team cohesion is made through years of play at the club and provincial level and it's a huge part of making a successful national team.
Good for that college rugby group, there are too many monopolies in sports greasing themselves with money, instead of the players and the grassroots. If this isn't broken, don't fix it.
As a New Zealander, I'd like to see the US become world beaters in Rugby. The US have plenty of superior athletes who can transition to Rugby with the right coaching & guidance.
@@alliedatheistalliance6776 It's growing faster than you give it credit for, given your national competition currently running in the U.S. - I'd say it's moving along faster than 'you' anticipate it would. And here's the thing with Rugby, players will have a much better chance of representing their country on the world stage and the Olympics in Rugby, than they ever will with NFL. Of course Rugby players don't get paid what NFL players do, but that should be negotiable if the players are prepared to play with helmets & pads.
@@nemo9343 Why don't you two argue with each other? :D I think major league rugby will carry on for a long time yet, and still grow, I'm just saying it will never be a top 4 sport, probably even top 5.
This is why USA Rugby should abandoned Rugby Union and head to Rugby League. As although it is smaller, USARL is more organized and stable than USA Rugby.
Plus the NRL and Super League (UK) is on the rise in the United States in popularity over MLR, URC, and Gallagher Premiership (all three Union Leagues being pumped with more money than anything) due to multiple factors.
@@A_Chunky_Kiwi i can see rugby league being more popular in the states then union. and the NRL are launching their 2024 season in las vegas which will most likely boost popularity over there aswell, Las Vegas also made a deal with the NRL to play some games there until 2028
Man I thought the Samoan team with the way they hook up their relatives by making the team stay at certain hotels was corrupted...also team funded mostly by donations.
I don't think rugby will ever be popular in the USA (sorry it just seems unlikely) but I'd love to see it become big in Hawaii. Portland and Seattle are also big markets for non top 5 sports it seems, they have football, rugby and even cricket teams
So, there's a less possibility of USA rugby repeating Japan rugby achievement while being a WC host? No worries, USA will join England as the exalted group of host countries dumped out of the tournament at the group stage.
The problem with World Rugby is that they don't see USA rugby they just see the imaginary dollar signs, choose atleast 10 states who love Rugby and take it from there.Get good international coaches to teach your coaches and start from the grassroots, the advantage rugby has over American football is the safety and tackle laws and how the 1st thing you're taught is how to safely tackle and trust me your mom would choose rugby or AF because of that
We know about it and it’s taking too long for US rugby to get things done. The world would really grow the game here, but for now it’s up to the grassroots level
I have a history with rugby in the US dating back to the 80’s. The one constant is that nobody in US rugby has ever wanted to pay dues. Those things that pay for things like referees and insurance,, managing various competitions etc. USA Rugby May not be great but there is so much tribalism in US rugby it is nearly impossible to manage. Instead of fighting turf wars maybe the various factions could actually work together. As for World Rugby - they desperately need the US. Why do you think the All Blacks, Wales, Ireland, and South Africa have all come here to play test matches against one another or against the Eagles? Not charity.
It would be cool to see American Rugby players get paid to see how they match up against the rest of the world, with funding they would be world stage, less taxes going towards proxy wars and a decent government (tbf we're all fcked in that department) would put USA back on the main stage.
As a guy who watch Tom Brady, NFL is not that appealing the world. To the casual audience, if you want to get into sports, which is easier to understand? NFL or rugby? To me, Rugby looks more simple than NFL. Having to know about passing plays, running play, defensive coverage, it’s such a headache and to the casual audience, it’s hard to make them understand the NFL. Rugby looks more simple to understand.
Don't be too hard on yourself. Rugby as a whole is a bit messed up, they messed up not going professional (it's why there's a union-league split) and it has damaged rugby ever since. Although the league players were ultimately proven right when union went professional, they never got their shit together and reunited the sport.
America always felt like the missing piece in rugby. Rugby should have The NFL's spot, it's more entertaining to watch because of the continuous action. Where as NFL has constant stops which is annoying & takes you out of the game as a person trying to give it a chance
Disagree, it's much more boring, and only more popular globally because it's easier to play and learn. Kicking a ball into a net ain't that interesting imo
