@@buddhistpriest1357 They're actually great guitars. The *only* thing I didn't like was the body was not routed out behind the Floyd, so you could only dive with it.
@@athanasiuscontra000it doesn't matter what guitar and amp combo I play, it always sounds like me (for better or worse - largely worse). Amazing that tone is really all in the finger tips.
I see used guitars where the seller adds a bunch of upgrades, but doesn't substract the value of the bits that were removed. Replacing a set of $60 stock tuners with $75 locking tuners doesn't make the guitar worth $75 more. It makes it worth $15 more.
Two of my favourite tips 1) on expensive strats ask them to take the pickguard off so you can check it's not been routed out for a humbucker in the bridge postion (a favourite mod of the 70's) 2) on Gibsons ask them to take the truss rod cover off and if it's an allen key adjustment rod it's either a fake or repaired. If they won't do either, wish them well and walk away quickly.
@@craigthomson3621 Yes. However, unless they had a professional luthier do the mod it will be painfully obvious that the routing is after-market. You either need the steady hands of a surgeon or an expensive router table to do the work with. Not that someone at home couldn't do a good job with a mod like that, but typically it will look like Freddy Kruger was your luthier.
im a luthier and yes, neck resets are very expensive, also steaming off the fingerboard and replaciing bad truss rods are some of the most expensive jobs.
i own Rare G&l commanche VI prototype. had the 6 micro switches. Was told truss rod cannot be adjusted any further and may need to be steamed . Neck seems okay for action. Help needed in Toronto please. some pro shops are Questionable in Toronto. I will pay Pro repair rates of course. I want work done Properly and Expertly no BS. Thanks from Toronto
A local pawn shop had a samick bass, but the logo was replaced with fender decal. Priced as if it were American mad. Told the guy at the shop, and he just pointed at it and said "it says fender right there". He obviously didn't care, as he was only interested in ripping someone off.
In a pawn shop it's possible that he got ripped off himself and doesn't know enough about guitars to deal with them. I wouldn't buy this gear from that establishment.
I recently purchased a Gibson Les Paul. The seller was honest about changing the bridge pickup to a Seymour Duncan. Turned out to be exactly what I wanted. No BS equals a happy transaction.
For all the Strat players out there, the back plate middle screws should be at an angle, right screw hole should be about an inch higher then the adjacent left one. I’ve seen tons of people taking fender necks and putting them on Squier bodies 😅
@@billpugh58 look at the trem cover screws on the back of a Fender and compare them to the cover on a Squire. On the Squire and other copies the middle screws are right across from each other. On a Fender (USA or MM) The middle screws dont line up with each other. If the seller is ok with it you can quickly remove the trem cover off a Fender. If there's any extra holes then they possibly put a Fender plate on a cheaper body. On a side note Ebay willingly lets people sell obvious counterfeits, decals, even "fill in the blank" Gibson docs. Ive written them numerous times and after they "investigate" they tell me its legit. All they care about is their commission.
I have a ‘66 Jaguar that did need some repairs. A new saddle spring, a refret and replaced pickup covers. I had a hard choice to keep it all original or fix it, but decided to fix it because it is very much a player grade example that I actually use. I still have the cracked pickup covers, original spring and even the classic leather strap Fender shipped with them in the case. It’s still a super finicky and noisy guitar, and definitely not the easiest to play but I love it and will probably never sell it because I’m only the second owner and I love the story.
Some red flags you can't see. I recently bought an MIJ Strat from Reverb and in taking off the pickguard, there was a small crack. Since I love it and didn't want to do a return, Reverb gave me 50% back towards the repair. It's a fair ending, but there are some Reverb horror stories out there too. Great content Alex! - Another Alex :)
I am a reverb seller, your store has actually offered on a few of my Items. I like the content. Once I sold a Golden Era Fender (pre 65) to a giant music store. So big they’ve been featured on television shows… I won’t say there name. My fender logo was worn away, neck pickup dead but could be rewound (I think), an no case. I saw a few months later the music giants had added a logo, period correct case, an fixed or replaced the pickup but none of those things were mentioned. I don’t think sourcing a period correct case needs to be said and I’ve never had a pickup rewound but I think not disclosing the fender logo was replaced was very deceptive. I’ve also been victim to buying what I thought was a fret less charvel an later learned the frets were removed an the holes filled. I learned from the experience but 99% certain the guy I got it from knew and didn’t tell me. Really I think it was him.
I bought a Squier Standard Telecaster at the start of the Pandemic that turned out to violate your Number 1 rule. What I got WAS a Squier Standard Telecaster neck most likely on an older Squier Affinity Tele body. The reason I say this is that it is a three piece body but it's considerably thinner than my Squier Standard Telecaster that was stock when I bought it. I was going to message and ask the person for some money back (this was the time where the price of used gear, especially Squier for some reason shot through the roof) and I got a thank you message that the guy (who was older) said "Thank you, I can afford to pay my bills this month." Yeah, so I looked up and asked the Guitar Gods for some help. This guitar was over $200 but the finish was cool (in the pics was a midnight blue with a abalone looking pickguard which turned out to be really cheap) and I turned to my buddy and asked if he had any good pickups to put in there and I got a set of Fender Noiseless pickups plus the pots, switch and jack. So I saved there My Partscaster turned out PRETTY MUCH what I wanted it to be, a modern version of a "Lawsuit Era" knockoff guitar with actual Fender and Squier parts. It has a GFS X Trem on it and a very nice Gotoh bridge that is made for Bigsby style vibratos. I also took off the old Fender original style tuners (too hard to turn, didn't stay in tune that well) and had to plug 22 holes and I put on my favorite budget locking tuners on it. So a bit of 1970s meets 2020. It came out well, the bad paint job is actually a good thing because I did put nice Tiki stickers on this and it looks like a Tiki Bar threw up on it (in the best of ways 🤮🗿👍✨) and even with the warts and scars (I covered it up in blue and turquoise finger nail paint) it looks epic. Budget wise I did ok, paid too much (all my used Squiers have been $40-$80) on the guitar, paid very little (I had to use an Import switch on the shallower body along with free pickups) and I did have to replace tuners and the bridge plate (the GFS bridge with the X Trem was not to my liking) so the whole project was on budget (more or less about $400ish) but it did not spiral out of control as easily as it could have. It's a fun guitar to play and my loudest Telecaster style guitar (I have Teles with Filtertrons and those are LOUD pickups).
This is so very important. I recently bought a guitar and when it got to me I thought it was fine until I put new strings on and realized the neck was warped.
Great video! Some other advice would be to get comfortable doing a few things yourself like simple setups or filling a nut slot and replacing parts. This way you begin to know what is a show stopper vs. just a minor inconvenience. I recently bought a MIM Strat that had the upgraded pickups I was looking for and a hard case for the right price. The seller didn't disclose the trem arm was broken off in the bridge but I wasn't sure they even knew that, so I just repaired that myself. Keep up the content and here's to 2024 being a fun and profitable year for you all!
I'm fortunate that the first time and only time I've bought used gear online was a positive experience. I bought a used Fender Deluxe Lonestar Stratocaster and I love it.
There seems to have been some shanagans on Reverb. So I just asked the seller to send me a quick picture of him holding the guitar. He did and I paid immediately. I now have a lovely new to me guitar.
I’m 74 years old now. I’ve gone through a few guitars and it’s always a journey. I didn’t take guitar up and till 20 years ago although I was in band since I was literally nine and played everything and sang. My problem was I forgot one thing that I noticed with guitar players economy of motion lol especially when it comes to moving amps that being said, I have a nice collection. Not too crazy, but really nice all usable which I do all the time. These are very good tips for anybody dipping their beak in the world. Used guitars are frankly, the best, usually.
Thank you for teeing-off on those losers that put Fender logos on Squiers. You should be proud of the fact that you didn't waste money on a "Fender" and instead are rocking a Squier. Squier logos are not hard to find if you need to fix one. But I am so glad to hear that you have the integrity not to sell such items. One alleged "30 year luthier" sells Squier Tele necks with Fender logos on them on eBay. F'er should be jailed for it.
The "this guitar was played by x" is the same as martial artists claiming "I learned it from the ancient old man on the mountain". Both claims have the same potential for being authentic. Years ago I was given what looked to be an old Fender blackface strat (obviously modded) that someone found in an attic. Left the guitar to sit for years before I picked it up and started playing. Something felt off. The guitar played well and had good action but was too heavy. The sound was good, but not quite "Fendery/Stratty" enough. Finally decided to give the guitar a proper cleaning and setup. Turned out the body was carved from a single piece of yellow pine and the electronics were all after-market. Upon removing the neck I discovered that there was no serial number stamped into the heel or anywhere else on the neck. Although a decent enough playing instrument, it was obviously a fake. At least I didn't pay anything for it.
About 12 years ago I bought a right handed PRS custom 24, 10 top, without the certificate and paid about £100 more than the seller was asking for. I made a 450 mile round trip for it too. However it did the job of helping me to transition from a leftie player (due to injury) and it was worth every penny. Most of my guitars are used (apart from my RK Barnbuster) and now I want to find a cheap partscaster or make my own!
I do a lot of mods on damaged guitars working on other people's guitars. However if I do something I am going to sell, I do remove the manufacture's name/logo and put my own label on the guitar. Then I give a full explanation for what the instrument is/was and changes made that make it not original.
I talked to this old guy who bought an old les paul. Seller said it was set up for slide. He asked me to help. He got ripped off. That guitar was broken and unplayable, well beyond what I could do with a set up. Neck probably pitched wrong from the factory or a repair. The nut was standard. Worn even. I held it for 30 seconds and knew I couldn't fix it. And wasn't going to be responsible for it for sure.
Cool video! I noticed on your website you have a Highway One Strat that says “thin nitro finish”, these (2002-2006) are actually Acrylic finish and they only did the nitro finish on the second run of these (2006-2011)
Thanks for going over artist-owned guitars, I see this all the time, and it always makes me wonder why people think a guitar the was owned or played by x-artist from some mildy famous group 20 years ago is worth 10x what the guitar is worth. Fluff documents this kind of thing on his Ridiculous Reverb Segment all the time, and in the camp of “who cares?”. I like the guitar for what the instrument itself is, I don’t care that a famous artist owned it. There are tens of thousands of guitars that have been owned by famous musicians and it never impresses me, but the prices you see these things listed at let’s you know how much value some of these people think that brings to the table. I also like your take on a seller who knows better disclosing what they can about gear and the fact that an honest person won’t sacrifice their rep for a few $s
100% agree to walk if you suspect someone is being dishonest. Before I seriously engage with any seller, I send a message asking a benign or simple question just to see how they reply. If they fail to address my question appropriately, I'm usually done right there. If someone doesn't care enough to answer your questions, they don't care if you have positive experience or they are withholding information. Both bad.
I'm a total newb and this was great info. Thanks. The fake logo sticker thing shocked me. Never occurred to me there would be fake logos. Putting a Fender logo on yes, but not a fake logo! Geez, some folks...
I’ve been buying most of my gear used for over fifty plus years. When I was in undergrad university I used to buy and sell all types of gear. It helped me learn a lot and assist my tuition’
I bought a tele that turned out to be a fake fender neck with a 96' squier indonesian tele body. The truss rod was placed in there diagonally, but for now its somewhat play able, and only had fret buzz on the higher frets. Since the guy only asked for €120, i bought it since its fun modding platform
Last year I was in a pawn shop in Nashville and while waiting to get waited on, I overheard this salesperson trying to snow this unsuspecting lady (who was looking for an Xmas present for her kid) that a Fender Strat she was looking at once belonged to Johnny Cash. I HAD to jump in and inform that lady that it was obviously a fake and Johnny Cash NEVER used Strats. She walked out and I was escorted out. Oh well, I at least saved her some grief.
@framzoid And no one who helped him run the show didn`t use Strats either ? Maybe you just misunderstood or the seller decided to a little tiny cheat ? (for which I will not judge him, if he didn't overcharge too much, for already too overpriced Strats.) 😆😆
@@iridios6127 It was just an unscrupulous, deceptive move by a shady salesman with a BS story trying to offload a Squire at a Strat price to an uniformed person wanting a cool gift for her kid.. Nothing against Squire as I've owned a few in my time. As far as Mr. Cash's crew, they didn't figure into the BS story, but they DID use Telecasters.
@@iridios6127 Simple, the dude was trying to off a Squire with a Fender waterslide decal slapped on the headstock. Not to difficult to understand. Sheesh...
@@framzoid In the first comment there is not a word about the “squirerism” of the guitar. Re-read your own opuses before pressing the “publish” button. Preferably 2-3 times. 😉
Thanks Took a waterslide decal Off. Of a japanese repo Of a gibson e s three forty five I did it for fun. Not to pass It off as a gibson But you're right, it doesn't belong there.Thanks
Vintage models exempt. Just cause Gibson put on or in it and you swap out p/u's or bridge, nut to make it better should NOT devalue the instrument! All my Gibson L/P's have no pick guard ( the wood is gorgeous and that's a piece of plastic Gibson installed back in the 50's! ) All my pick ups have been exchanged, nut improved, professional luthier setups! One of mine had to replace the tuners, so less money, absurd! No touring professional guitar player plays an off the shelf Les paul. mine as well as their's are not worth less money cause there not as set from factory! People who want off the shelf all factory original are collectors not players! My only regret is I didn't keep my 70's Z28 all original! 2005 Swamp ash, 2013 Gary Moore. ( these two came without a pick guard, good call Gibson) 2019 tribute, 57 PAF Classics with other mods. Who wouldn't, given the chance, to buy Doug Aldrich L/P? It's NOT factory!
People mod their own guitars. Very few people want to pay for _your_ mods. They want the stock instrument except in rare cases where you've made a clear improvement especially to lower budget instruments. It doesn't matter what you think should be the case. That's not what buyers want. Most people are going to want a discount if you binned the pickguard of a Les Paul rather than including it in the case so they can make the choice and anyone they sell it on to has the same choice.
Note or request the serial number. Generally, you’ll be able to find when and where a guitar was made. Or, you may find that the serial number doesn’t check out. Also, it can differentiate between price levels of guitars of the same brand, such as between a Squire Classic Vibe and a cheaper Affinity.
Yeah.... I never buy used gear, way too many scams for guitars, pedals and amps. The problem is, everyone these days think they are a tech and mod their gear or strip important components
Good point! I always gave the original parts to the customers after replacements or mods. I even reminded them about the importance of them! Still a whole lot of them told me just to toss them! You wouldn't believe what i collected with time. This is why many guitar/amp techs have such extensive collections of original parts.
Fender stamps the word 'USED' into the wood on the back of headstocks and places a new serial number decal over the old one after it's made illegible. The story that I've heard is that those guitars didn't pass QA for some reason. I would think that electrical issues could be resolved. So that makes me think that there are either esthetic issues or problems with the neck, nut, bridge alignment, or something else that might be difficult or time consuming to address. Any opinions on this topic???
With an electric guitar it's mostly about stuff to do with the neck for me. Fret condition. Fret work is expensive enough to make a potential good deal not. Another is neck set angle for set neck guitars. It affects how the guitar sets up -- on a Gibson with a tune-o-matic it determines whether I wrap the tail piece or not. Then there's the truss rod andnut. Most of all it is damage to the neck or heel etc. P.S. Don't put a logo on? I see the retailer perceptive on that, but I think there is a time when putting a logo on is kind of legit. OEM replacement necks for Fender. That's because I remember reading in Guitar Player or something ages ago that Leo intended the necks to be disposable pretty much. They supplied the spare necks from the get go and then licensed OEM ones like Warmoth and Mighty Mite etc. If the neck is a legit replacement, then should we not also be able to regard a repro water slide decal as legit too? It's not that difficult to let somebody know it's got an OEM neck on it with a replacement decal. It's not too difficult to spot if your are an experienced guitar trader either.
I by pawn shop usually. I bought a lefty Squier Strat standard Previous owner SUPPED it Up SD PICKUPS Bourns pots Fender 5 way Pro soldering. Then bought a Squier Affinity Tele With a set of Rio Grande pickup set . But my best one PEAVEY EVH WG USA 🇺🇸 WITH CASE 😮😮 before his passing. I tripled my investment.
I suggest doing your homework if your buying a used guitar. I see used guitars priced as much if not more than if it were new at guitar shows. I don’t think all are trying to be dishonest, just don’t conclude they know what they are doing when pricing. Some are shocked when I look it up and show them the guitar is selling the same or less brand new
I purchased a used Breedlove dreadnought that's no longer in production. It's all mahogany and it's really a fantastic guitar. Great tone and has sustain for days. BUT, one thing I didn't check and really didn't notice for quite a few days. There's a single fret on the high E string that doesn't fret properly. Fortunately, it's just the one so it didn't set me back TOO much to get that repaired, but since it didn't cross my mind to check them ALL before I made the purchase since the ones I "normally" hit when playing worked fine, -- well, you see where I'm going. CHECK ALL THE FRETS!!
I'm a guitar player but when I came across a somewhat beat up Fender Squire Jazz bass for $175 two yrs ago at a local shop, I had to buy it. It feels, plays and sounds just like an 80's MIJ to me. Whoever owned it before the shop, took a screwdriver to the headstock where the Squire logo was. I sanded down the gouge marks, refinished it and put a Fender decal on it. I also replaced the neck pickup with a Precision split pickup. This thing plays and sounds as good as any American made Fender Jazz bass I've ever played and the only extra cost was for the split pickup. If I ever sold it I would of course point out to a novice buyer that it's actually a Fender Squire bass made in Indonesia.
But will they point it out to who they sell it to? It's not just about your own honesty when you fake the brand name on a guitar. Somewhere down the line it's likely someone's going to be conned into paying more than the guitar is worth and will have to sell it at a fat loss when they move it on and can't or won't con the next person.
@@thecaveofthedead Calm down. The decal job isn't that good. You can't really tell from a distance but when you get up close you clearly see it. Anyone who has even a minimal knowledge of Fender basses would know right away it was a Squire. If I sold it back to the shop where I bought it they would make sure any interested buyer knew it was an Indonesian Squire. Anyone trying to sell it as an American Fender Jazz bass would be STUPID to try and do so; i.e. they're not going to risk dragging somebody all the way out to their house or whatever meet up place to con them into spending A LOT more money when a close inspection CLEARLY reveals it's not an American made Fender. And as far as online buyers go, people are more wary than ever. They want a lot of up close pics so they can spot fakes.
I built a few Partcasters over the years but with Licensed Mighty Mite necks and Fender bodies, I think there is no issue with putting a Fender logo on licensed parts.
It's not a Fender. The only "Fender" thing on the neck is the headstock shape. You built a partscaster because a XXXX year Fender [edition name] Stratocaster in [official color] was "too much money". I can see wanting the headstock shape, but only a shyster needs to fake the logo.
its real easy to run Fender serial numbers online. Im assuming yours wont have a serial number so thats a big red flag for me. Ive built a few partscasters as a hobby and personal use but I realize no matter how much I spent on it the value will be less than if I had left it stock. I wont buy someone else's partscasters.
Enjoying your channel.. Would like to hear how you deal with the issue of stolen instruments being offered to you. Or worse, when you buy an instrument from someone, put it on your store and then get contacted by the rightful owner?
Personally, the best experiences I have had with used gear is buying midrange guitars/basses with mods done aftermarket. 2/3 of my experiences doing this, the mods are things that have badly improved the performance of the instruments. My guess is these are the instruments people but when they are starting to get more serious about playing and they will want to improve that gear as they improve before they finally upgrade to higher end stuff.
Just seeing if anything I don't know. Long time player/buyer. Also, learn your plastics. LEARN LEARN your plastics. This will help so much from not buying a fake or a repop as original
Sometimes the good deals are real. Got a Gibson Grabber for $500, 70s P bass neck for $100, 50s Danelectro for $250. Stay hungry and keep your eyes open.
61 , and playing 4 + decades I used to snap up these guitar for a pittance of today's prices Youngsters that are hard up for anything Old Have ruined the market
I would find it bewildering to try to determine 100% original equipment (Strat pickups, for example) when there is such sheer volume of available aftermarket parts.
There are certain years for Fender and Gibson where the stock parts are shit. I have a 1980 Les Paul Standard and the original pickups and tuners were shit. I put on Seymour Duncan 59s and most recent Gibson "vintage" tuners and have the originals if I ever sell it. But I can't imagine anyone ever hearing and choosing to reinstall the original pickups. Fender and Gibson had bad cost-cutting years.
I saw a squier bullet strat with 1 hum for sale. The kid that owned it put stickers ALL OVER it including a few on the fret board. I believe this bullet is abt 20 years old. I want to get it for my grandson an take all the stickers off. I ha e good off for the body but what would I used for the fret board. The guitar is 100.
Man when certain Japanese sellers on eBay lie and don't tell people the truth that a guitar their buying is coming from Japan but made in China /Korea/Taiwan/Korea/etc
Great vid Alex. There are some shonky bastards out there, fact. And there's NO WAY, I'd EVER buy a guitar because it had been 'looked at', by that famous bloke, Blort Flengle, of the Ducks Nuts. I just WON'T do that. I buy a guitar to play, not idolise. I talked a mate of mine out of a J45, Slash model, it was over a grand premium. Not a chance. Keep up the good work.
As to partscasters, they are either built well by veteran musicians enough to go head to head with premium brands.....or they are built by amateurs. My modded monoprice tele is excellent- and I'd only hand it off to someone who'd appreciate it on my deathbed. You're taking a gamble with most partscasters. Better to buy budget Brand with a decent neck and mod it to your specs.
Many form fitting cases , warp a neck Had a V in original case , I ripped the neck rest out . When you closed the case , it would back bow the neck . Take the guitar out , and out of tune every time, then would settle in Drove me NUTS till I realized it !
The fake Fender logo on the headstock is something else. The mentality is odd. I play Epiphone, Gibson, ESP, ltd... etc... if the guitar plays good, and sounds good, it's a good brand.
There’s a local shop selling a 70s Epiphone 12 string that the body is pretty beat up but I think it’s salvageable? It’s pretty complete but no idea if the pickups are working. What’s your opinion?
I love 12 strings and have played/owned them from the 60's until now. My thought is the 70's epiphones were japanese made bolt-neck models (the blue label inside will tell you 'made in Japan' on the bottom right hand side) and if they are trying to sell it as a 'vintage' (with a vintage price), you will get far better value with a modern instrument at the same price. If it's really cheap then it may be worth it BUT do check for things like loose braces inside, cracks in the top by the soundhole, warped neck etc. The action (=height of strings above the 12th fret) should be no more than 2.5 mm top of fret to bottom of string - preferably nearer 2mm. As for pickups if they admit to problems, get them to fix them first before you buy - if they can't or won't then don't buy. I recall they were not particularly good instruments and traded off the old epiphone name which prior to 1970 or so were made by Gibson. Gibson then sold the name to Japan and many dealers back then tried to tell us they were the same instruments but the quality was no longer there.
How do you feel about gear that has been hand built? Specifically name brand DIY pedals? What red flags would that impose? I am in the process of selling a pedal that I built and works as it should. Does selling a diy pedal kit that you build warrant a higher price? or should it be sold for less or equal value to the price of the un built kit? One potential buyer mentioned that the building of a diy kit does not warrant a mark up in price and does not add value to the pedal. Yet, I find that if something is built properly and a buyer is looking for a pre-built pedal it does add value. Maybe I'm the crazy one idk..
If it's a stamped licensed by Fender replacement neck like Warmoth it's getting a Fender decal. Value depends on the setup and how it plays...looks come last.
Putting a Fender decal on a Warmoth is a big no-no. Stores cannot sell them. (It is also expressly forbidden in Warmoth’s warrantee and licensing deals.
Thanks for the enthusiasm, my downfall was a 94 LP std prem plus,when That guitar played a cowboy G the tone was god Worthy to the point I traded 2 LPs for it plus I got some cash. I wish I had been more dedicated because that guitar could take you on a musical journey, it sits with my other coffins.Has anyone ever uad that experience with a guitar. My LP has a 50s style neck. Now its not a 59 but for tone and tenor I will put This instrument up to anything...Does this have any no thing to do with who be set up the instrument at the factory or is this just one in of the good ones?? Think what you want! This LP has has tone your LP will never have, its like this guitar plays itself in and makes you go where you only dream about.I need yo give it up so sombody can take this instrument where it belongs,Iam older now and fucking lazy.I believe this guitar can take someone to stardom and beyond,I look now I sound crazy but once you hear instrument it will take you ovet,, thanks for letting me let it all out.....LP std prem plus Honeyburst it has a blank truss rod cover excellent condition,my other babys LP 77 std Goldtop excellent condition,LP Classic reissue 60s neck,non drilled top. Gretch 59 Silver Jet,52 Tele reissue 1989, JACKSON RR1, others , Marshall tube amps MESA BOOGIE TRIPLE RECTIFYET
Les Paul style guitars that are made oby other manufacturers other than Gibsons and Epiphone are cool! And good quality from what I can see. Like the Orville you mentioned.
Of course they are. And they can stand under their own names as great guitars. What's pathetic is changing the logos to sell them as Gibsons or - as famously in the case of so-called 'Chibsons' - where they're deliberately made to pretend to be Gibson guitars.
This is why I only buy new through the years. Im in my 60s and Im a player not an expert on guitars. Thgouh the years I have bought all new and when I do mods I keep all the original parts in the case. The last new huitar I bought was a 2012 Gibson les Paul. I changed the humbuckers to dirty fingers, I love the tone. But it is hard to trust people, so I just bypass all the grief and buy new. My kids can deal with my gear after I die. I have everything written down that was done to each guitar and put the list into the case of each guitar. Im going to buy a Gretch this year to add to my collection. My small recording studio and all the gear has dates of purchase and if repaired the date of repair. The only guitar I regret selling was a 1977 Gibson les paul my Dad bought brand new for as a graduation gift. It was the first and last guitar I ever sold. I keep everything.
