Nice one! It would be useful to have a comparison of package management and available packages for each system. I might even consider GhostBSD even with less available/up-to-date packages because I don't like Ubuntu's use of snap to distribute packages.
I had problems installing Ubuntu and had to redownload and burn the new iso before it would even work. Then the install was extremely slow and at one stage I thought it had frozen as nothing happened for ten minutes. Ubuntu appears to becoming the Microsoft of Linux, it wants to know too much, is increasingly difficult to navigate when installing and it tries to 'nanny' the user far too much.
Thanks Robbie. That Ubuntu install is a real head-scratcher. Perhaps it didn’t like the SSD? I tried installing GhostBSD on my Dell laptop with a SSD. No matter what I did it would never finish the install becoming slower and slower until it locked up. I was able to open a command window and find the SSD had stopped responding. So I put a Samsung drive in there and it was just about as fast as yours was. What a joy to use! Even the volume buttons work! Very quick response at the keyboard or mouse and cruising the web with Firefox is superb. This version is faster install and operation than older versions - 24.04.1. I still don’t know what the problem was with the SSD but it works fine like this.
It's weird, but I suppose it's one of those things - I use nothing but FreeBSD based OS's.... so I suppose I'm not exposed to the foibles of other OSs.... so when something doesn't work it's confusion.... Thank you Edward
When ever I tried Ghost BSD it was easy to install, but with Ubuntu I had similar problems lately. Mostly freezing and than coming up with some error message, sadly.
Thank you for the video. a few years ago I wanted to install Ubuntu 16.04 (or was it 18.04??) on a server... It was breaking a few times, so I only had the chance for old 14.04. Which worked, but I was disappointed. If I would use Linux than native Debian - so far. But if I have the chance, I prefer FreeBSD (or GhostBSD - which I did not try), or any other BSD*, even OmniOS may be a good choice... Cheers, Norbert
@@RoboNuggie Hi back 🙂 I used Solaris for years - I was an administrator for Solaris servers. It was good and running 🙂 Since Solaris moved from Sun to Oracle - it lost a lot. OmniOS - a derivate from Illumnos - is an "Open Solaris" alternative. I did not try it, but I would like to see it. But I am still using FreeBSD mostly. And I think this will stay as long as possible... Cheers and all the best, Norbert
I think you were on the right track as the Ubuntu installer was crashing at the stage to set up partitions. One thing that might be of help is whenever an Ubuntu installer has crashed, I reboot after fixing what I need to fix. However, the inirial bootup time wasn't good or in any way normal and I think corruption of the install media occurred.
Maybe this is already mentioned, but I would prefer Ubuntu Maté compared with GhostBSD Maté. You minimize variables and can point to differences between Linux and BSD
I have a suspect about what went wrong: on some older machines you need to reboot the machine after creating partitions. After reboot you should be able to manually select (don't create, don't delete) those partitions and the installation should complete successfully. There also was a legacy installer which worked really well... but it appears to be removed since 24.04 version.
Ah, that may be it.... I remember installing Ubuntu on an Optiplex with no problem whatsoever... I went into this expecting a smooth install and it was to be a purely speed related comparison.... I didn't know the old installer was removed... thank you!
What the hell is going on with that USB stick? Ubuntu shows /dev/sdb with 4 partitions ( ISO9660, VFAT, ?, and Ext4 ). How is one partition a CD or DVD filesystem ( ISO9660 ) and the other is Ext4 on the same device? I am no fan of Ubuntu but this is clearly what is screwing it up. It looks like GhosttBSD failed to detect any of that which is why it sails through ( or perhaps none of that was even on the USB anymore after you prepared with with the GhostBSD image ). Again, I am no Ubuntu fan but this is not at all what a proper install from USB would look like, even on that hardware. How was the Ubuntu USB stick created?
@@EricCorsi The GUI installer itself will screw up the in RAM partition table on random storage devices. If you reboot the system and print the partition tables before opening the installer they will look fine and then be screwed up. I ended up on Mint after running into the same problem after erasing and recreating my installation media. Yes, the image passed all the checksums.
That shouldnt happen with the the Ubuntu installer. Curious, did you verify that image with checksum or whatever was called for? Ive almost had it with Ubuntu but ive got to say, its the only thing that'll install onto my newest hardware, supporting all my hardware, which sadly wasnt the case with ghostbsd, but ive never seen an ubuntu or debian installer fail.
I wrote the image using the Raspberry PI imager that verifies the write after.... previous versions of Ubuntu (a couple of releases prior) worked just fine, someone mentioned they changed the installer recently ans it also caused am issue for them... so maybe my machine is too old?
I was really surprised at the difficulties you experienced with Ubuntu. I was thinking that the slow boot might have been related to the USB stick and/or the machine's physical USB hardware. However, the same hardware worked fine with GhostBSD so that's not likely. Maybe Canonical is a bit savage about killing support for old systems. I haven't installed Ubuntu for a long time partly because my last experience was also pretty negative - basically just really slow. I'd have thought it would have got better; not this much worse. If I'm looking for a user-friendly Linux experience these days I usually look to Mint. Last time I put it on hardware it seemed fast and simple. BtrFS with Timeshift is a big attraction too.
Thank you for this.... I am not familiar with what's available for Linux, having a preconceived notion that Ubuntu was the easiest.... the withdrawal of support may be a thing, I don't know.... I was expecting a successful install, and didn't intend this.... as I has installed Ubuntu for a wifi test about three years ago and it went perfectly.... Maybe I need hardware, but to me it's a shame to let go of perfectly able hardware....
@@RoboNuggie I agree with you entirely about the hardware. I can't let go of anything that will boot. If it runs at all, there has to be a way to do something useful with it rather than heave it into e-waste. Sometimes though you have to try out a few distros to find something that works. It took me quite a while to find a 32bit OS that would run acceptably on an old eeePC 701. Alpine with no GUI did it for me there.
Well, it was a problem on my old gear, I did expect it to install and it would have been a comparison just of install ease and time....but I guess it also showcases just how reliable GhostBSD is on both newer and older tech....and that's a very nice place to be. :-)
Ubuntu is like a nicely decorated garden. In the garden, everything is nice and friendly and everyone likes you. However, if you put a toe out of the garden, you are in a barren wasteland in which nothing works, no one knows why and everyone/everything hates you.
I Can't understand... why we consider Ubuntu user friendly ? There are other distros without systemD that are user friendly too... i would try void linux or mx linux or devuan or calculate all have a straightforward approach on how to install the easiest way is something with calamares but it is designed with systemD in mind... devuan's yad installer is quite good too. As for new users i would say devuan is better option than ubuntu. PCLinuxOS has also a friendly installer too...
15:29 I just don’t like that they don’t give you the option to encrypt the system. It’s…bad practice these days to not have your system’s drive encrypted. (Also BSD doesn’t like my hardware lol.)
I tried to run NomadBSD on really old laptop with first gen i5, problem was fan running at 100% all the time and only some 54mbit wifi protocol. Then for fun, I tried FreeBSD on my PC having spare SSD. Maybe 3-5 years old Realtek network card had no driver in kernel, could be compiled from sources of unknown quality, likely under development. It can't read exFAT formatted flash drive, I could not find old one below 64GB. Curiously Xserver worked without crashing instantly on NVidia 1060. But yes, Linux has it's problem depending on hardware and/or distribution and even running Windows 10 on old notebook, that has no official support, because it came 3 years before w10 could be "fun". Such as it's impossible to shutdown or hibernate the computer due to ACPI/BIOS combatibility and many "minor" issues with camera, bluetooth, special keys, ...
Don't know if the machine would load in less than a minute, but I'm totally pointing fingers at USB stick as a primary bottleneck. Only RoboNuggie would know for sure.
@@justinmalcolm6287 Fair enough. 10min to load the installer I'd guess was either bad design or a bug. Added wait time to get through the GPU detection step, after that long wait seems misplaced; make such a detection be a background task unless it is crashing machines. 2 minutes to boot the BSD installer still seemed bottlenecked.
The problem with Ubuntu, is that it’s not actually user-friendly. Instead, it is beginner friendly. It’s great if all you need is a web browser, but once you start getting into power user tasks, it quickly falls apart. I made that mistake in the past, and it’s probably the biggest reason why I stuck with Windows as long as I did.
Thing is... after the reboot, the *BSD will not connect to any WIFI network, forget about suspend/resume (and hibernation) and cross finger for audio and graphic card. Ah, yes the installation completed in .1 seconds though. 😂
I have no problems with wifi, true it's an older standard 802.11n tp-link, but it works. audio & nvidia are flawlesss - Hibernation can be tricky. Still, I would rather have these issues and still install...than not being able to install. Just saying :-)
I have modern hardware not some 20 year old pile of black plastic and ubuntu gives me black screen into reboot, literaly no other distro behaves this way. Strangly, previous ubuntu version also couldnt boot up properly while all sorts of fedoras, opensuzi, nabaras or even overly complicated bazzite have 0 issue installing and working correctly. So the point is sir, stop using known failure for apple to apple comparison ? One should not disrespect the disabled. Its unkind.Makes u look like a bully. Use Nobara or open suzi instead. While these should work, please consider that ghost bsd will not work with any new hardware, while most linux systems will not play nice with absolutely ancient hardware such as your nvidia 710. (its 430 3 times renamed) Speaking of, used dell optiplexes with intel 6-8th gen cpus which would run circles arround your machine cost arround 150-200 quid? For a decade younger and more supported hardware . . . surely you could handle and make use of that extra ultimate power somehow could you ?
I don't use Linux, at all, and so I picked what I thought was the most user friendly - and I had heard it was.... as for GhostBSD, it installs perfectly on new hardware, as I imagine does Ubuntu...
