Using A Mono Pedal In A Stereo Signal Path 

but that's breaking 'the rules' ;)

Love the way reverb sound b4 chorus sound the chorus clean the reverb amazingly.. i am changing my signal

@@rebirth4lifetonelab573 Awesome!

me too

Thanks Adam! Appreciate it!

nice!

Great suggestion. I thought about that towards the end of the video - why it didn't occur to me sooner, I'll never know - and realised that would make more sense...way more sense. Next diagram... right to left!

Are you telling me there are people who can't read that diagram left to right? If they can't see that, maybe they shouldn't be attempting anything stereo ????

no we're talking!

The more I'm learning about this, the more a splitter is unavoidable. But it looks like I'd need to use it in the other direction, as a summer. And have that sum built as TRS. Thankfully I have room on my pedalboard's undercarriage

correct!

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I was thinking exactly that. Expensive... Yet... it ain't stupid if it works.

Sorry this into a stereo amp or a stereo effect’s processor with 2 send and 2 returns

I'd probably consider something more in the realm of the OBNE signal blender. Downside it's mono. Check out the parallelizer by musicom. That might be a good optioN!

Pretty sure they won't have an issue with this. Depending on the controller you may just need specific cables (like a drop ring / shorted tip sleeve cable if using RJM). Not as familiar with this on the boss / gigrig stuff as I don't use them as much. But I know it's doable!

@@GoodwoodAudio actually just went through this (I have a G3), and it's actually not possible to run both stereo and parallel with the G3, you have to choose. And mono pedals have to come before the stereo in the chain to keep everything in stereo (since you're stuck in series). You can put them in parallel, but then you have to run the stereo pedals in mono, so... short answer is "no". I was super bummed to hear it, because I pretty much bought it assuming the holy grail of switchers could run do parallel stereo (since I have a W.D.W setup, and only use the switcher for my wet pedals, which are all stereo. I want most in kill-dry for obvious reasons, but can't do it now since that'd require parallel). Bummer. It *might* be possible to take the mono pedal into parallel so long as the loop starts and ends with that 1 single pedal and no stereo pedals are in the parallel chain, but I'm also pretty sure you would then have to have the mono pedal earlier in the chain/before your stereo pedals Only solution I can really think of, is using a device i found called the Musicom Lab Parallelizer II. I'm not 100% sure it'll work, but I think it will, and I may buy it even though it'll complicate the crap out of things since I'll basically have to have that (another switcher basically) in between 3 of my stereo pedals and the G3. The additional semi-benefit if it would at least open up 2 more loops in my G3 (with the compromise being that the 3 pedals in parallel using the Musicom are now stuck in 1 channel/selector on the G3, so I'll be tapdancing again). This is similar to using something like GigRigs Wetter Box, too, but I need it to do more than blending 2 pedals in parallel.

been going through this this past week with a customer... been a bit frustrating finding out the limitations of the G3@@n.s.3812

GOod question. Unfortunately not. There is nothing that can carry signal on the ring of the holy grail input or output... so you'd be sending ring to the holy grail and nothing would pass signal wise as far as ring is concerned.

haha. agreed

Great product!

easiest way (while NOT being a keyboard enthusiast...so take this with a huge grain of salt) I would think is getting an expression pedal and a wah plugin. A real wah could be doable but in stereo it's most likely going to be a modeled (plug in style) wah anyways... so might as well keep it simple / in your computer if possible!

passive 'mixing' of signals like this isn't going to work well. Going to load down the signal... You could try this with a line mixer but this is more of a wet dry type signal rather than stereo.

ya, you could run a parallel dry for sure! It would just need to be parallel to all wet effects and mixed down before your final pedalboard outputs. But definitely a good way to do it!

If you are dyslexic this diagram layout would be perfect -

I don't think I full understand the question... are you talking about using the amps FX loop? In theory you could, but to keep a stereo chain, you'd still have to mix the signal in parallel with the other stereo pedals.

I was thinking a loop through both amps. An idea if you were trying this without having to add gear (except for a cable or 2) Stereo chain > both amps Send 1 > verb > return 2 Send 2 > return 1

@@Official_Keif Gotchya. In that instance though you'd still be sending verb only to the return 2 cab with preamp 1 tone stack... Cab 1 would be getting preamp 2 without verb (if Im understanding correctly).... I think you're saying a mono reverb in the amp FX loop after a stereo chain, correct? Im not saying it wouldn't work, just that it would still only come out of one speaker cab on half of the stereo field.

So long as you're using amp and cab plugins or amp and cab sim on the board, I don't see why this wouldn't be straight forward!

two inputs on a twin, yes, but not two separate signal paths in the twin / stereo inputs. You won't retain a stereo path by doing it this way on the twin unfortunately. Would be cool if you could though!

@@GoodwoodAudio - gotcha, thanks. I've been looking all over for info about bridging the channels on a tone master twin but couldn't find anything. Is there even any advantage to jumping the channels on a twin?

unfortunately no... It would need to be stereo all the way out to the speakers to be 'stereo' as we guitar players refer to it.

if it was... it wasn't on purpose! ha.

​@@GoodwoodAudio That's definitly "under the sun" riff haha, great playing !

@@yanthetrooper67 I'll have to check it out. I probably heard it and without realising played it on the vid. I bet you I thought I was being super creative as well haha

haha also doable!

totally agree...but that wasn't the point of the vid, which I cover with workarounds and parallel options (which can be done while maintaining a stereo signal)... But yes, you're right - you can't run a mono pedal in series after a stereo chain and maintain the stereo signal.

No shit dude. Did you even watch the video before commenting?